Reconstruction

[RustyRightPeg]

3 minutes ago, sadj said:

So they can sell extra cars to those in the lowland league?

 

Something like that.

 

No, in all seriousness, perhaps the initial deal is a test period for lack of better words and if the reconstruction is taken seriously and done they will then sign up for another 5 years or so on the basis the product isn't stale like it is at the moment. 

[sadj]

1 minute ago, RustyRightPeg said:

 

Something like that.

 

No, in all seriousness, perhaps the initial deal is a test period for lack of better words and if the reconstruction is taken seriously and done they will then sign up for another 5 years or so on the basis the product isn't stale like it is at the moment. 

Maybe they will decide the way to not be stale is get 4oF games a season to **** and open the league up which would imo make it more competitive straight away.

[RustyRightPeg]

Just now, sadj said:

Maybe they will decide the way to not be stale is get 4oF games a season to **** and open the league up which would imo make it more competitive straight away.

 

That's essentially what I'm getting at yeah. As they're sponsoring all 4 leagues as well. I'm not too sure how much they'll know about the ambition of the HL and LL clubs who could come up compared to the clubs who have currently sat in the leagues happy to be there for however many years they have but I've always been for reconstruction for as long as I can remember as the 12-10-10-10 is just pish IMO.

[Newton51]

 

[Japan Jambo]

1 hour ago, sadj said:

Maybe they will decide the way to not be stale is get 4oF games a season to **** and open the league up which would imo make it more competitive straight away.

 

Spot on, 20 teams - still get 38 games and the whole league isn't stacked in favour of the uglies as each team only meets twice. Not nearly as stale either.

[Nookie Bear]

15 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

 

And then the next step is £500k and no promotion beyond the Championship etc etc

[Fozzyonthefence]

28 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

 

So rather than meet the normal criteria for joining the league it’s a brass necked bribe.  Remember when Keith Jackson said that Hearts had to get demoted so that the James Anderson donation to all the clubs couldn’t be seen as a bribe?  I wonder what he’s got to say about this?  No doubt it will be a marvellous innovative move.

 

**** Rangers, **** Celtic and **** Rangers and Celtic colts. 

[Jambof3tornado]

Still only benefits 2 clubs.

 

Go fling shite at yerself!

[sadj]

2 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

 

That's essentially what I'm getting at yeah. As they're sponsoring all 4 leagues as well. I'm not too sure how much they'll know about the ambition of the HL and LL clubs who could come up compared to the clubs who have currently sat in the leagues happy to be there for however many years they have but I've always been for reconstruction for as long as I can remember as the 12-10-10-10 is just pish IMO.

Isnt it just. 

[Unknown user]

5 hours ago, Newton51 said:

It’s back…

 

 

Why are they so desperate to get this through quickly? What do they know?

 

If I was a betting man I'd be putting money on a breakaway Atlantic league style thing being in the pipelines. Those dirty *******s are too keen for this to be pushed through.

[gregzy2k7]

Great a way for the buns and tic to further increase their dominance over the rest of scottish football! Wish they would both just feck off to the english conference league!

[ri Alban]

This needs stopped, pronto.

1 year in the lowland league and now this. Pathetic. 

[John Findlay]

8 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

And then the next step is £500k and no promotion beyond the Championship etc etc

Correct. Kick this into touch now.

 

[husref musemic]

7 hours ago, Smithee said:

Why are they so desperate to get this through quickly? What do they know?

 

If I was a betting man I'd be putting money on a breakaway Atlantic league style thing being in the pipelines. Those dirty *******s are too keen for this to be pushed through.

i was thinking that too. why the sudden rush ???

[Kiwidoug]

As long as the premier league is a contest between two sectarian clubs, the rest of it is of no consequence to me.  If they think having a 2nd team in some other league will help them beat PSG. Terrific.

[Auldbenches]

7 hours ago, Smithee said:

Why are they so desperate to get this through quickly? What do they know?

 

If I was a betting man I'd be putting money on a breakaway Atlantic league style thing being in the pipelines. Those dirty *******s are too keen for this to be pushed through.

Everything is based around those tow *******s and there's no way they aren't up to something with this. 

As another poster said, why is reconstruction ok now but it wasn't a good time last year when things are the same?  

Snidey *******s who are ruining Scottish football.  

If they feck off and leave their colt teams here, I'd give up in Scotland football altogether.  

Just when you think you can't hate the old firm more...

[Auldbenches]

4 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said:

As long as the premier league is a contest between two sectarian clubs, the rest of it is of no consequence to me.  If they think having a 2nd team in some other league will help them beat PSG. Terrific.

It might've been you who summed it up yesterday by saying that the football authorities here are just a holding company for the cheeks. 

It's about time the fans done something about this like when they tried to force rangers into top flight.  

I wish they would **** off and let us breath fresher air.  

[TyphoonJambo]

Is there a bigger plan?.....yes,undoubtedly 

Is it for the sole benefit of the OF?......undoubtedly.

Will it be supported by the authorities?......obviously 

Will we bang our gums and winge about it?....As expected,yes.

Will anyone listen,will our opinions, us the members,be considered? .......No chance.

What Glasgow wants Glasgow gets.

 

Just another episode in the continuing biased,incompetent farce that is the running of Scottish football.

 

[OTT]

This isn’t reconstruction, it’s shoe horning the gruesome twosome another advantage they don’t need. 
 

if they are serious about reconstruction let’s move to a league size where we’re only playing each other twice a season. Unless that happens, I don’t think any side should support this blatant abuse of the voting system (they just keep coming back with the same proposal, it’s pathetic). 

[milky_26]

8 hours ago, Smithee said:

Why are they so desperate to get this through quickly? What do they know?

 

If I was a betting man I'd be putting money on a breakaway Atlantic league style thing being in the pipelines. Those dirty *******s are too keen for this to be pushed through.

it would not surprise me if an atlantic league was being talked about at the same time as that european super league

[inspector]

I have to laugh when l hear the authorities talk of 'more discussions'. The decisions have already been made and the rest of us will just have to get on with it.

[The Old Tolbooth]

The "one year in the lower league" mantra was always dodgy, they claimed it was for only one year and didn't say why, it's now obvious why it's only one year because they knew all along that this is going to be bulldozed through whether we like it or not, Scottish football at its very worst yet again, only seeking to serve two clubs. 

 

I'd love to see everyone else resign from the league leaving them nobody to play as a big **** you to them! But spinless little tinpot clubs and chairman alike would never do that, Budge being one of them. 

[AndrewB]

48 minutes ago, OTT said:

This isn’t reconstruction, it’s shoe horning the gruesome twosome another advantage they don’t need. 
 

if they are serious about reconstruction let’s move to a league size where we’re only playing each other twice a season. Unless that happens, I don’t think any side should support this blatant abuse of the voting system (they just keep coming back with the same proposal, it’s pathetic). 

Spot on.  You know, the whole thing makes me want to weep as Scottish football continues more of the same, more of the same, more of the same.

 

Has the pandemic actually changed ANYTHING for the long term in the merry world of Scottish football?

[Auldbenches]

It says in the paper that the spfl clubs are meeting today to discuss this proposal.  It if does get approved, it's the clubs that are to blame as much as the evil Glasgow brothers.  

 

[Harry Potter]

Not reading back through the thread, whats happened now😮

[AndrewB]

7 minutes ago, Harry Potter said:

Not reading back through the thread, whats happened now😮

Scotsman reporting that SPFL clubs are meeting to discuss plans to have OF colts in League 2 from season after next (Aug 2022 presumably)

[Harry Potter]

7 minutes ago, AndrewB said:

Scotsman reporting that SPFL clubs are meeting to discuss plans to have OF colts in League 2 from season after next (Aug 2022 presumably)

thanks Andrew, 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Harry Potter

[Arfur]

Premiership of 20 teams

Championship of 12 teams

Regional leagues there after

4 teams relegated from Premiership each season

Ditch the diddy cup

1 cup which would be the Scottish cup starting off in league format

Scottish cup - leagues linked to final league positions of previous season

Scottish cup - 5 teams play home & away
Scottish cup - 8 leagues made of prem top 8 (top seeds), next 8 (2nd), relegated 4 + promoted 4 (3rd), remaining championship (4th) then 8 qualifiers

Linking cup seed pots to the league positions makes more likely that there will be no meaningless games toward season end

Grass/hybrid pitches only for Premiership
Minimum Scottish qualified player rule in match day squads

Pool resources with shake up of youth development - 12 regional schools around Scotland (similar to performance schools but clubs scout players, 3/4 hours per day training, each club send same amount of youths each year, pack the schools with top youth coaches, ratio 10 youths to each coaching season (which will require a lot of top coaches), bring in futsal/conditioning/nutrition/fitness coaches, specialist position coaches for older years, investment in school facilities (hybrid pitches (multiple rather than 1/2), indoor pitches, futsal courts, gyms etc (some of which can be rented out after school hours to increase funding))

Clubs concentrating on under 19s, reserve and first team only (apart from scouting and monitoring school performance)

Under 19s playing in the regional leagues (But can’t reach Championship level)

Earlier season start with winter break

Take advantage of Thursday/Friday/Monday night football tv schedules to increase tv revenue

Invest enough to top youth contracts so that they are only lost to English premiership/top English Championship level (making leaving Scottish Premiership to go to league 1 or 2 an insult to their ability)

Condition coaching at all clubs - our footballers look like wet paper bags compared to English Premiership players

Better match day experience - even simple things like a few food trucks of different cuisines rather than just burgers and pies, family areas, drum bands in stands etc.

[The Treasurer]

25 minutes ago, Arfur said:

Premiership of 20 teams

Championship of 12 teams

Regional leagues there after

4 teams relegated from Premiership each season

Ditch the diddy cup

1 cup which would be the Scottish cup starting off in league format

Scottish cup - leagues linked to final league positions of previous season

Scottish cup - 5 teams play home & away
Scottish cup - 8 leagues made of prem top 8 (top seeds), next 8 (2nd), relegated 4 + promoted 4 (3rd), remaining championship (4th) then 8 qualifiers

Linking cup seed pots to the league positions makes more likely that there will be no meaningless games toward season end

Grass/hybrid pitches only for Premiership
Minimum Scottish qualified player rule in match day squads

Pool resources with shake up of youth development - 12 regional schools around Scotland (similar to performance schools but clubs scout players, 3/4 hours per day training, each club send same amount of youths each year, pack the schools with top youth coaches, ratio 10 youths to each coaching season (which will require a lot of top coaches), bring in futsal/conditioning/nutrition/fitness coaches, specialist position coaches for older years, investment in school facilities (hybrid pitches (multiple rather than 1/2), indoor pitches, futsal courts, gyms etc (some of which can be rented out after school hours to increase funding))

Clubs concentrating on under 19s, reserve and first team only (apart from scouting and monitoring school performance)

Under 19s playing in the regional leagues (But can’t reach Championship level)

Earlier season start with winter break

Take advantage of Thursday/Friday/Monday night football tv schedules to increase tv revenue

Invest enough to top youth contracts so that they are only lost to English premiership/top English Championship level (making leaving Scottish Premiership to go to league 1 or 2 an insult to their ability)

Condition coaching at all clubs - our footballers look like wet paper bags compared to English Premiership players

Better match day experience - even simple things like a few food trucks of different cuisines rather than just burgers and pies, family areas, drum bands in stands etc.

You've obviously put a lot of thought into this but one thing I'd disagree with is your plan for the Scottish Cup. It has to be a straight knock out with no seeding, that's a big part of the appeal of a national cup competition 

[Jambo92]

At a time when we should be reducing the football league, we are looking to increase it...

 

Scotland should really have two professional leagues.

[Gizmo]

14 hours ago, Newton51 said:

 

Imagine if that money was instead spent on a proper youth league, instead of furthering the development of Old Firm young players only. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Hearts will oppose this. That surely goes without saying

[TexasAndy]

I think the top league should be bigger but other than that I am not in agreement with the opinion that we should be reducing the amount of teams in the professional leagues.  There is a revolution happening in our Junior\senior leagues where teams are showing ambition to join the pro leagues, Kelty Hearts being the latest.  I think it is totally refreshing.  Having less pro league teams is not going to increase the gates\income at the remaining clubs.  Double cup winners St Johnstone will continue to have the same poor fan base but it doesn't stop them having high ambitions.  The more competition throughout the leagues and cup competitions the better.  

[Mysterion]

Nailing it - any colts team needs to be Scots youth in order to deliver their proposed improvements.

[Fozzyonthefence]

4 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Hearts will oppose this. That surely goes without saying

Will we?  Would that not be a bit hypocritical after backing reconstruction last year?  I hope we do oppose it though.  
 

What’s changed since the idea got scrapped last year - a bigger payment from the arsecheeks?  

[Fozzyonthefence]

7 minutes ago, TexasAndy said:

I think the top league should be bigger but other than that I am not in agreement with the opinion that we should be reducing the amount of teams in the professional leagues.  There is a revolution happening in our Junior\senior leagues where teams are showing ambition to join the pro leagues, Kelty Hearts being the latest.  I think it is totally refreshing.  Having less pro league teams is not going to increase the gates\income at the remaining clubs.  Double cup winners St Johnstone will continue to have the same poor fan base but it doesn't stop them having high ambitions.  The more competition throughout the leagues and cup competitions the better.  

I’m not denying that Kelty have a bit ambition but seriously, what is yet another club with a few hundred fans (like Edinburgh City, etc) joining the league going to do for professional football in Scotland?  We have way too many “ professional” teams in Scotland although Strachan was right, around half of them are not really professional and bring nothing to the table. 

[TexasAndy]

4 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

I’m not denying that Kelty have a bit ambition but seriously, what is yet another club with a few hundred fans (like Edinburgh City, etc) joining the league going to do for professional football in Scotland?  We have way too many “ professional” teams in Scotland although Strachan was right, around half of them are not really professional and bring nothing to the table. 

I don't see what harm it does.  Why shouldn't these teams have ambitions.   The pyramid system has given me an interest in league 2 the last 2-3 years, previously i wouldn't give it a glance unless i had teams in my coupon.  

[Deevers]

I hope we vote against this - it only really gives the Old Firm more clout and the ability to keep a foot in Scottish Football if they do manage to jump ship at any point.

[Fozzyonthefence]

1 minute ago, TexasAndy said:

I don't see what harm it does.  Why shouldn't these teams have ambitions.   The pyramid system has given me an interest in league 2 the last 2-3 years, previously i wouldn't give it a glance unless i had teams in my coupon.  

Ambitions to do what though?  How far can you go as a part time club?  I’d have thought some of the ex junior clubs would enjoy remaining a bigger fish in a smaller pond rather than becoming the next East Stirling, Cowdenbeath, etc and achieving nothing much in a professional league.   
 

As others have suggested, a 2 team league with only full time teams makes more sense.  Could maybe still have some sort of pyramid system but only if teams coming up are capable of going full time. 
 

Did you think it was right that diddy part time clubs were able to have a vote on putting Scotland’s 3rd biggest club down a league and losing £millions and maybe potentially putting our future at risk?

[Nookie Bear]

11 minutes ago, TexasAndy said:

I don't see what harm it does.  Why shouldn't these teams have ambitions.   The pyramid system has given me an interest in league 2 the last 2-3 years, previously i wouldn't give it a glance unless i had teams in my coupon.  

 

Absolutely no problem with that...until their owners sit on SFA/SPFL Boards passing decisions and votes (in a corrupt fashion) for the benefit of their clubs and 100 regular fans and at the expense of multi-million business such as ours.

 

 

[Fozzyonthefence]

3 minutes ago, Deevers said:

I hope we vote against this - it only really gives the Old Firm more clout and the ability to keep a foot in Scottish Football if they do manage to jump ship at any point.

Is it even a vote today or just discussions?  I don’t think it even went to a vote last time because there was little support for it.  Hopefully not much has changed.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

27 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Will we?  Would that not be a bit hypocritical after backing reconstruction last year?  I hope we do oppose it though.  
 

What’s changed since the idea got scrapped last year - a bigger payment from the arsecheeks?  

No more hypocritical than everyone else suddenly stepping out in favour of it. We should look out for ourselves

[DETTY29]

Colt teams can't be promoted above League 1.

 

Until the next 2 year review or the Championship is rebranded League 1.

Edited June 25, 2021 by DETTY29

[henryheart]

1 hour ago, Jambo92 said:

At a time when we should be reducing the football league, we are looking to increase it...

 

Scotland should really have two professional leagues.

 

I keeping hearing this but why? Other than the issue of voting rights, I've yet to hear a reason why. 

 

All the lower league teams have fans and they are just as entitled to have a local team to support as we are. Most of these clubs operate within their means while at the same players a part time wage. The last thing Scottish football needs is those who have no long term record of participation or even interest in football, trying to tell the likes of Montrose and Forfar that they shouldn't exist just because they have looked at the economics that suggests there are too many teams.  These teams have in the main been part of the history of Scottish football for over 100 years and if they go the people who support them will not transfer their attendance to elsewhere and it will reduce the number of players in the professional game.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

2 minutes ago, henryheart said:

 

I keeping hearing this but why? Other than the issue of voting rights, I've yet to hear a reason why. 

 

All the lower league teams have fans and they are just as entitled to have a local team to support as we are. Most of these clubs operate within their means while at the same players a part time wage. The last thing Scottish football needs is those who have no long term record of participation or even interest in football, trying to tell the likes of Montrose and Forfar that they shouldn't exist just because they have looked at the economics that suggests there are too many teams.  These teams have in the main been part of the history of Scottish football for over 100 years and if they go the people who support them will not transfer their attendance to elsewhere and it will reduce the number of players in the professional game.

There are numerous professional clubs who don’t operate like professional clubs and therefore offer little when it comes to improving the game

[Auldbenches]

1 hour ago, Jambo92 said:

At a time when we should be reducing the football league, we are looking to increase it...

 

Scotland should really have two professional leagues.

England has four leagues and the football authorities here think we should emulate everything they do...

[Fozzyonthefence]

2 minutes ago, henryheart said:

 

I keeping hearing this but why? Other than the issue of voting rights, I've yet to hear a reason why. 

 

All the lower league teams have fans and they are just as entitled to have a local team to support as we are. Most of these clubs operate within their means while at the same players a part time wage. The last thing Scottish football needs is those who have no long term record of participation or even interest in football, trying to tell the likes of Montrose and Forfar that they shouldn't exist just because they have looked at the economics that suggests there are too many teams.  These teams have in the main been part of the history of Scottish football for over 100 years and if they go the people who support them will not transfer their attendance to elsewhere and it will reduce the number of players in the professional game.

I don’t think anyone is saying they shouldn’t exist (although maybe some are in that boat with Brechin).  Look how many non league leagues and teams they have in England.  Just because they aren’t in the senior league doesn’t mean the local community can’t have a club to support.  The Highland and Lowland league clubs still have fans.  I think maybe regional leagues between the SPFL / Championship and Highland / Lowland leagues could be the way to go. 

[jambonian]

1 hour ago, TexasAndy said:

I think the top league should be bigger but other than that I am not in agreement with the opinion that we should be reducing the amount of teams in the professional leagues.  There is a revolution happening in our Junior\senior leagues where teams are showing ambition to join the pro leagues, Kelty Hearts being the latest.  I think it is totally refreshing.  Having less pro league teams is not going to increase the gates\income at the remaining clubs.  Double cup winners St Johnstone will continue to have the same poor fan base but it doesn't stop them having high ambitions.  The more competition throughout the leagues and cup competitions the better.  

You'd be spreading cash even thinner than it embarrassingly is already. 

I'm all for your Albion Rovers and East Stirling types coming up with something that includes highland and lowland and leave the professional clubs to be just that. 

I'd be looking at a 14 team top League playing each other just once. To make up for lost League matches, play the League Cup throughout the season. That way it's not rushed through pre-season when players are not up to speed as yet. You could play two League games then the third week play the first league Cup games and so on throughout the season. The only thing i'd change in the Scottish Cup is that the semi-finals are played over two legs. For the tv, chances are that Celtic and Rangers will get to the later stages anyway so they won't lose out on old firm games in the three competitions.

[Jambo92]

16 minutes ago, henryheart said:

 

I keeping hearing this but why? Other than the issue of voting rights, I've yet to hear a reason why. 

 

All the lower league teams have fans and they are just as entitled to have a local team to support as we are. Most of these clubs operate within their means while at the same players a part time wage. The last thing Scottish football needs is those who have no long term record of participation or even interest in football, trying to tell the likes of Montrose and Forfar that they shouldn't exist just because they have looked at the economics that suggests there are too many teams.  These teams have in the main been part of the history of Scottish football for over 100 years and if they go the people who support them will not transfer their attendance to elsewhere and it will reduce the number of players in the professional game.

 

They would exist and have the opportunity to be part of the system if they were able to achieve. Scotland is a small country, with resources spread too thinly, prize money spread too thinly and the more teams there are, the poorer the quality of product is.  

I'm not saying to delete football clubs in local communities, but Premier league clubs are essentially subsidising almost every team below the Premier League.  If Scottish national team wants to improve then something has to change.

[Cruyff]

Get them to feck. Allows them to jump ship if they get a colts team into the pro leagues.