tian447 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Does this result even really matter anymore? A 5-0 win just papers over the cracks, and won't even really go as far as doing that much. A 1-0 scrape will not provide any comfort or signs of progress. A draw or a loss will not change anything. We're probably not going to be caught at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, tian447 said: Does this result even really matter anymore? A 5-0 win just papers over the cracks, and won't even really go as far as doing that much. A 1-0 scrape will not provide any comfort or signs of progress. A draw or a loss will not change anything. We're probably not going to be caught at the top. The cracks have already been papered over. This season is all about getting back up then filling those cracks properly. Edited April 8, 2021 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, tian447 said: Does this result even really matter anymore? A 5-0 win just papers over the cracks, and won't even really go as far as doing that much. A 1-0 scrape will not provide any comfort or signs of progress. A draw or a loss will not change anything. We're probably not going to be caught at the top. A loss or draw wouldn’t change anything?? Raith and Dundee will have 2 games in hand vs Arbroath/QoS and Dunfermline/Morton respectively. A Hearts loss / draw on Friday night they could both close the gap to 5 or 6 points with 3 games to play. Edited April 8, 2021 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: The cracks have already been papered over. This season is all about getting back up then filling those cracks properly. I think it might be better to knock it down and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, tian447 said: Does this result even really matter anymore? A 5-0 win just papers over the cracks, and won't even really go as far as doing that much. A 1-0 scrape will not provide any comfort or signs of progress. A draw or a loss will not change anything. We're probably not going to be caught at the top. The saddest thing about your post is that you’re spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Still can't get my head around those claiming we won't be caught. There is nothing showing we could win any of our remaining games so why are people so confident? I posted months ago that until it's mathematically impossible I won't be counting chickens. No matter how unlikely any of the following teams are likely to win all their games and likewise it's unlikely we will loose all ours, nothing is impossible and stranger things have happened. For me this is a must win game and if they go out and play like they have all season it COULD end in disaster. IF the players can't see the need to up their game, then they should be dumped and we should play the youth team, they will at least show some passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: A loss or draw wouldn’t change anything?? Raith and Dundee will have 2 games in hand vs Arbroath/QoS and Dunfermline/Morton respectively. A Hearts loss / draw on Friday night they could both close the gap to 5 or 6 points with 3 games to play. Then they play each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Ex member of the SaS said: Still can't get my head around those claiming we won't be caught. There is nothing showing we could win any of our remaining games so why are people so confident? I posted months ago that until it's mathematically impossible I won't be counting chickens. No matter how unlikely any of the following teams are likely to win all their games and likewise it's unlikely we will loose all ours, nothing is impossible and stranger things have happened. For me this is a must win game and if they go out and play like they have all season it COULD end in disaster. IF the players can't see the need to up their game, then they should be dumped and we should play the youth team, they will at least show some passion. Similarly there is nothing showing that Raith or Dundee will win their remaining 5 games. Neither have been close to winning five consecutive games at any point this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 39 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: The cracks have already been papered over. This season is all about getting back up then filling those cracks properly. They are more like gaping holes rather than cracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Similarly there is nothing showing that Raith or Dundee will win their remaining 5 games. Neither have been close to winning five consecutive games at any point this season. I said that in my post, however there is nothing to say they won't either. Can you with any confidence claim we will win all our or at least not lose? How much would you have put on Brora to win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: And Morton. Yes, sorry was just taking one game at a time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Then they play each other. Their respective fixtures are as follows. Dundee play Morton h, Dunfermline a, ICT a, Raith h, QOTS a Raith play Arbroath h, QOTS a Alloa a, Dundee a, Hearts h It is very unlikley that either of those two will win all these games but if we win our next two games it doesn't matter if they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: Is that just wishful thinking or fact. The last time I looked most of the players who are out of contract are not regulars other than Irving. The others are Berra, White, Frear, Kastaneer and Stewart. If he wants to move anyone else on then it will cost the club a small fortune or we have to hope that these players agree to move without compensation. Players like Halkett, Popescu, Halliday, GMS, Henderson etc still have time on their contracts, more's the pity. Fact I'd say, we're losing around 12 players. I think a decent effort could be made to move on Popescu & Damour. Halkett is good enough as back up/cover but wouldn't stand in his way, same with Halliday. You can check out the out of contracts/ loan expirations on Transfermarket I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Class of 75 said: Yes, sorry was just taking one game at a time Yes, I was just meaning if we win thoswe two games then the league is won and it doesn't matter what any other teams do. It's in our own hands and if these players don't see that and try and grasp the opportunity then they are a disgrace to be wearing the Hearts strip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said: Still can't get my head around those claiming we won't be caught. There is nothing showing we could win any of our remaining games so why are people so confident? Need 4 points from 4 games and that's if either Dundee or Raith (both can't) win their last 5 matches. Hearts have lost 1 in their last 11 league matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Then they play each other. No they have another fixture each before that. Alloa vs Raith and Inverness vs Dundee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1874f Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Need 4 points from 4 games and that's if either Dundee or Raith (both can't) win their last 5 matches. Hearts have lost 1 in their last 11 league matches. Correct might it was a full season we were playing I would probably be having kittens just now but the leagues done just needs dusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, OTT said: Fact I'd say, we're losing around 12 players. I think a decent effort could be made to move on Popescu & Damour. Halkett is good enough as back up/cover but wouldn't stand in his way, same with Halliday. You can check out the out of contracts/ loan expirations on Transfermarket I think. You can yes that's where I got my information. The players I named are the only ones out of contract at the end of May or their loan period is up. I don't doubt we will try to move a number of players on however it is easier said than done especially with players such as Damour who is no doubt on a decent wage and still has over two years left on his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 If we do not win this game Neilson must be sacked as soon as the final whistle is blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, siegementality said: If we do not win this game Neilson must be sacked as soon as the final whistle is blown. That should have been the case after Brora but wasn't, won't be on Friday if we lose that as well sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said: Still can't get my head around those claiming we won't be caught. There is nothing showing we could win any of our remaining games so why are people so confident? I posted months ago that until it's mathematically impossible I won't be counting chickens. No matter how unlikely any of the following teams are likely to win all their games and likewise it's unlikely we will loose all ours, nothing is impossible and stranger things have happened. For me this is a must win game and if they go out and play like they have all season it COULD end in disaster. IF the players can't see the need to up their game, then they should be dumped and we should play the youth team, they will at least show some passion. They should be upping their game. They won't though, because they don't care. That has been obvious for weeks, even months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: That should have been the case after Brora but wasn't, won't be on Friday if we lose that as well sadly. I think he would be sacked after the game if we don’t win. The powers that be arse’s would be panicking we aren't going to go up so would sack him hoping that would give the players a lift to go on and win enough points in last 3 games Sorry I should say if we get beat. Probably no sack him if we get a draw as Neilson would say that’s a point closer to 3 draws we need Edited April 8, 2021 by theshed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 A win the morra and its all but done, raith and dundee wont catch us. Only one can, but wont happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, theshed said: I think he would be sacked after the game if we don’t win. The powers that be arse’s would be panicking we aren't going to go up so would sack him hoping that would give the players a lift to go on and win enough points in last 3 games Quite possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 45 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said: I said that in my post, however there is nothing to say they won't either. Can you with any confidence claim we will win all our or at least not lose? How much would you have put on Brora to win? If we win in Friday night, the remaining two contenders have to win all of their last 5 to finish above us. If we draw our next two the other two still have to win all their remaining games or win four, draw one and score a lot of goals. I put a £ on Brora at 20/1. I’ll be putting more than that on us tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 43 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: If Dundee beat Morton at home on Saturday they'll have won four on the trot. Raith have Arbroath at home. I'm not saying we'll hibs this but if we don't win tomorrow there's no doubt in which way each of the three teams form is heading: If? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 42 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: No they have another fixture each before that. Alloa vs Raith and Inverness vs Dundee Ok, then they play each other. Same point. Extremely unlikely that both will finish above us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: Ok, then they play each other. Same point. Extremely unlikely that both will finish above us. No but only 1 of them has to finish above us for the ba to be beyond burst! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: If Dundee beat Morton at home on Saturday they'll have won four on the trot. Raith have Arbroath at home. I'm not saying we'll hibs this but if we don't win tomorrow there's no doubt in which way each of the three teams form is heading: If you look at remaining fixtures and want to make some money speculatively then I’d suggest you place a bet on QoS to finish second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Ok, then they play each other. Same point. Extremely unlikely that both will finish above us. Only need one to finish above us then we are in a play off and no chance this team is winning a play off Just win Tom night for gods sake is all ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: No but only 1 of them has to finish above us for the ba to be beyond burst! So who should we be worried about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Anyone suggesting we are home and dry needs to stick the crack pipe away. Form suggests we are not and we will toil to get the points we need to win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 People worried about being caught haven't been looking at the form table. Over the last 6 games Dundee are only 3 points better if than us, Raith and us are tied. Dundee, played 6, 12 points. Raith, played 6, 9 points. Hearts, played 6, 9 points. We're garbage, but Raith are just as bad, and Dundee aren't far ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Anyone suggesting we are home and dry needs to stick the crack pipe away. Form suggests we are not and we will toil to get the points we need to win the league. See the post following yours for the real ‘form’ guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: So who should we be worried about ? We should be worried about our own ****ing team trying to win a game against plumbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bunny Munro said: People worried about being caught haven't been looking at the form table. Over the last 6 games Dundee are only 3 points better if than us, Raith and us are tied. Dundee, played 6, 12 points. Raith, played 6, 9 points. Hearts, played 6, 9 points. We're garbage, but Raith are just as bad, and Dundee aren't far ahead. That's my belief, BM. I'm certain we're going up but it's now mostly down to the lack of consistency/ability below us. Indeed, I don't believe either Dundee or Raith will reach our current total of 47. Regardless, as shite as we are, we surely have another 3/4 points in us. Whispering Boab must go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Anyone suggesting we are home and dry needs to stick the crack pipe away. Form suggests we are not and we will toil to get the points we need to win the league. It’s not US who needs the points now. it’s 2 other teams who need a number of points that they are not capable of getting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, JimmyCant said: It’s not US who needs the points now. it’s 2 other teams who need a number of points that they are not capable of getting I don’t believe either of those two clubs think they can catch us. They are more worried about what’s going on around them. Arbroath, Morton and Ayr will be more interested in our result tomorrow night than all the other clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 If we win tomorrow and raith/dundee drop points on saturday is there an open top bus parade on sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sherbet said: If we win tomorrow and raith/dundee drop points on saturday is there an open top bus parade on sunday? There’ll be T shirts for sale “Heart of Midlothian Championees 2020-21 !!!!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: See the post following yours for the real ‘form’ guide. 9 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: It’s not US who needs the points now. it’s 2 other teams who need a number of points that they are not capable of getting You never know. It's not over until it is over and I'll not be counting my chicks at this stage given how shite we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sherbet said: If we win tomorrow and raith/dundee drop points on saturday is there an open top bus parade on sunday? Alloa need the points too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bunny Munro said: People worried about being caught haven't been looking at the form table. Over the last 6 games Dundee are only 3 points better if than us, Raith and us are tied. Dundee, played 6, 12 points. Raith, played 6, 9 points. Hearts, played 6, 9 points. We're garbage, but Raith are just as bad, and Dundee aren't far ahead. Just as well. One half decent team in this league and we would have been *******. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Just as well. One half decent team in this league and we would have been *******. Totally agree, I think teams like Dundee and Raith will be kicking themselves for not giving us a better challenge. This season reminds me of 2018-2019 in many ways, our great start meant we could be dreadful for 5 months without it being a total disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottieMac17 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 9-0 Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 47 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Anyone suggesting we are home and dry needs to stick the crack pipe away. Form suggests we are not and we will toil to get the points we need to win the league. Form suggests we are, despite the shitshow on display we can be less than average and still win. In fact I think we already have. Alas folk are not sticking to raw data and allowing their optics to take over, though I totally get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: ****** off to MK Dons at the first glimpse of English knickers. Fo balance. Plane hiring goons, phoodle out manky bedsheet hanging, cry babies. For balance. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, hans said: he is responsible for many of the worst results in our history. beating cowdenbeath 10 nil does,nt make up for it He's responsible for the worst- Broro, beating Cathro's Peterhead result imo. The rest are no where near our worst. Edited April 8, 2021 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 16 hours ago, Robbo-Jambo said: If we romp any game that is left this season I would be astonished tbh. To clarify, a romp for me is us getting 2 goals in a game. My standards have dropped considerably!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Just as well. One half decent team in this league and we would have been *******. Without Gordon we’d be ****** too. He’s won us at least 10 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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