Won the Championship by 12 Points (title updated)

[sadj]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

He left because he had the Bradford job lined up. Like he left Killie to come back here. He was well recompensed for leaving, several hundred thousand pounds IRC. 

Nope he was sacked it has to be sacked cause that suits the narrative. Everyone sacked everyone oot 🤣

 

3 minutes ago, dannymack said:

 

You quite clearly didn't read the original post or even understand the direction it was going, 6 lads in a WhatsApp group discussing the weekends game, 1 out of the 6 suggests Hearts to get beat in order to get rid of R.N. .... that is 1 (one) out of 6 (six) the other 5, myself included dismissed the suggestion but afterwards it got me thinking how other fans would feel towards it, im sorry if you misunderstood my post and the content.

He wasnt talking about you. He was talking about the person who went from ahearts losing to AB oot in like one post

[wattie exploited]

really doesn't matter how many points we end up winning the league by Robbie's days are finished here !!!!!

I think when the fans are allowed back in its going to be a real nasty experience for the players and Robbie if the football is as shit as it has been the last 2 months 

 

[Auldbenches]

4 minutes ago, sadj said:

Quite possibly , doesn’t change the fact I can be pissed off to **** with Tuesday and also look at things differently to you. I dont need to be pissed off and think everything is wrong everywhere. 

Maybe not wrong everywhere but definitely not getting it right when it comes to the first team.  

There isn't much going right though.  Fans aren't being reactionary here, they are sick of the same thing for the last few years.  

 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Definitely 

 

You burst the baw Sheba? Still got more sense than half the zoomers on here.

[SomethingAboutObua]

Meh. The seasons over, Dunfermline and Raith have to win something like 6/8 and 6/7 of the games left, with us losing 6/6 matches for them to overtake us. The results for the rest of the season will have no bearing on Neilson being sacked, if he survived Brora of course he'd survive QotS.

 

The focus is entirely on the squad now, I don't want us to lose to get rid of players, so I just hope the ones that don't want to be here have made it obvious in training and we can give game time to the guys and youngsters that do. If that's the case I'm not expecting to see Andy Irving play for us again. 

 

If Alex Neil and McInnes weren't available I'd be focusing on hoping we changed In the summer, but those two being available right now is painful to watch us miss out on. 

[Pasquale for King]

11 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

You burst the baw Sheba? Still got more sense than half the zoomers on here.

It was like that when she found it 😆

[The Gorgie]

8 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Fair.

 

Imagine if that happened?

 

Robbie and Ann would need bodyguards 😳

Edited March 27, 2021 by Jamie Walker Tash

[Thomaso]

8 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

 Mutual agreement means sacked 

It doesn’t 

[Thomaso]

8 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

He left because he had the Bradford job lined up. Like he left Killie to come back here. He was well recompensed for leaving, several hundred thousand pounds IRC. 

You recall incorrectly - nowhere near “several hundred thousand”

[Djnoisy]

Currently there is only 13 points separating Alloa bottom - Raith second. The league is won. The teams below are all capable of beating each other. Get him and the squad to feck now. Rebuild (AGAIN) for the SPL or we'll be back down here in 2022.

Edited March 27, 2021 by Djnoisy

[jamboozy]

Get rid of Murray as well, sick of this lot taking the Lillian Gish out of the Hearts fans

[soonbe110]

9 hours ago, Thomaso said:

JJ wasn’t sacked because of that 6-2 defeat, in-fact he wasn’t sacked.

He left by mutual agreement because his relationship with CPR had completely broken down.

Don’t think that’s JJ’s view of what happened. Yes he and Robinson couldn’t stand the sight of each other but don’t think he thought him leaving was the answer. 

[soonbe110]

9 hours ago, 160598 said:

He was made a decent offer but as a hearts man was mortified.

Yep, he declined the pay-off like any good Hearts man would. Is that how it goes?  

[Thomaso]

42 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Don’t think that’s JJ’s view of what happened. Yes he and Robinson couldn’t stand the sight of each other but don’t think he thought him leaving was the answer. 

How do you know JJ’s view - have you spoken to him?

[Thomaso]

39 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Yep, he declined the pay-off like any good Hearts man would. Is that how it goes?  

Are you suggesting JJ isn’t a good Hearts man?

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Thomaso said:

You recall incorrectly - nowhere near “several hundred thousand”

You’re right it was £500k, or was that when he left under Vlad? Was it nearer the £100k he got when he sued the club in the 80s? Or whatever reason he wanted Tony Capaldi instead of Rudi? It’s all about the £. 

[sadj]

10 hours ago, Auldbenches said:

Maybe not wrong everywhere but definitely not getting it right when it comes to the first team.  

There isn't much going right though.  Fans aren't being reactionary here, they are sick of the same thing for the last few years.  

 

100% things are not right when it comes to the first team. Don’t think anyone would say they are. I also never said fans are being reactionary. A lot of people said we’d cruise through the Championship. While we are easily winning it , Iv never said we’d cruise it while playing the way fans want. Iv always said it will be a slog this season and the summer then next season is when we will see whats what. The attitude and application has been wrong for a while in the squad and all these teams are playing cup finals when they face us with nothing to lose. Do you not think im sick of being bored to sleep during a game?

 

10 hours ago, SomethingAboutObua said:

Meh. The seasons over, Dunfermline and Raith have to win something like 6/8 and 6/7 of the games left, with us losing 6/6 matches for them to overtake us. The results for the rest of the season will have no bearing on Neilson being sacked, if he survived Brora of course he'd survive QotS.

 

The focus is entirely on the squad now, I don't want us to lose to get rid of players, so I just hope the ones that don't want to be here have made it obvious in training and we can give game time to the guys and youngsters that do. If that's the case I'm not expecting to see Andy Irving play for us again. 

 

If Alex Neil and McInnes weren't available I'd be focusing on hoping we changed In the summer, but those two being available right now is painful to watch us miss out on. 

McInnes will make your eyes bleed more than Levein or RN (thats the only painful thing in regards to him) is @Sir Gio may want to confirm. Alex Neil is a different beast. Not sure if he’d be interested or not. However I think for now its not a question we will get an answer too as RN wont be going anywhere. I think the rationale for that is seeing what Savage , JJ and RN come up with for the summer. 
 

I said the other day the same thing about Andy Irving. If he doesnt want to be here then freeze him out. 

 

1 hour ago, Thomaso said:

It doesn’t 

^^^^ 👍🏻

[Auldbenches]

Just now, sadj said:

100% things are not right when it comes to the first team. Don’t think anyone would say they are. I also never said fans are being reactionary. A lot of people said we’d cruise through the Championship. While we are easily winning it , Iv never said we’d cruise it while playing the way fans want. Iv always said it will be a slog this season and the summer then next season is when we will see whats what. The attitude and application has been wrong for a while in the squad and all these teams are playing cup finals when they face us with nothing to lose. Do you not think im sick of being bored to sleep during a game?

 

McInnes will make your eyes bleed more than Levein or RN (thats the only painful thing in regards to him) is @Sir Gio may want to confirm. Alex Neil is a different beast. Not sure if he’d be interested or not. However I think for now its not a question we will get an answer too as RN wont be going anywhere. I think the rationale for that is seeing what Savage , JJ and RN come up with for the summer. 
 

I said the other day the same thing about Andy Irving. If he doesnt want to be here then freeze him out. 

 

^^^^ 👍🏻

The current circumstance will have had a bearing on the whole session, but doesn't excuse Brora and Alloa etc.  I think we fans would've accepted the uniqueness of this season if we had seen a bit more effort.   The players look disinterested.  I thought McCulloch would've been good for team spirit and giving the team a bite of bite but he has dissapointed as well.  I though we were getting a very good assistant manager with his previous experience at killie and his sports science degree.  

I also can't understand why Irving is getting a game if he is off.  He isn't going to risk injury if he is looking for a new club.  Just bin him 

[Thomaso]

44 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

You’re right it was £500k, or was that when he left under Vlad? Was it nearer the £100k he got when he sued the club in the 80s? Or whatever reason he wanted Tony Capaldi instead of Rudi? It’s all about the £. 

So you’re saying JJ was at Hearts just for the money? 

[Pasquale for King]

23 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

So you’re saying JJ was at Hearts just for the money? 

I’m saying he was always interested in money. I would elaborate but I wouldn’t want to get another telling off from the JKB plod. 

[sadj]

7 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

The current circumstance will have had a bearing on the whole session, but doesn't excuse Brora and Alloa etc.  I think we fans would've accepted the uniqueness of this season if we had seen a bit more effort.   The players look disinterested.  I thought McCulloch would've been good for team spirit and giving the team a bite of bite but he has dissapointed as well.  I though we were getting a very good assistant manager with his previous experience at killie and his sports science degree.  

I also can't understand why Irving is getting a game if he is off.  He isn't going to risk injury if he is looking for a new club.  Just bin him 

No it doesn’t excuse anything. These results shouldn’t be happening. The current circumstance will prevent team bonding trips and socialising etc. Itll also prob be a factor in little groups and divides in the squad. That does not stop players from having a proper attitude and applying themselves. The summer will tell us a lot. I paid zero attention last summer as I was disgusted with the authorities. Didnt even realise we had McCulloch here until I saw him in the dugout such was my disconnect from here and football. However I was sceptical when I did see him there. I can see him being the sort to undermine others.  I can see why you would expect more from him. Be interesting to know the dynamic between the coaching staff.

[Thomaso]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m saying he was always interested in money. I would elaborate but I wouldn’t want to get another telling off from the JKB plod. 

Please elaborate - I’ve known JJ for over 40 years so I’m interested in your exclusive info.

[Riccarton3]

5 minutes ago, sadj said:

No it doesn’t excuse anything. These results shouldn’t be happening. The current circumstance will prevent team bonding trips and socialising etc. Itll also prob be a factor in little groups and divides in the squad. That does not stop players from having a proper attitude and applying themselves. The summer will tell us a lot. I paid zero attention last summer as I was disgusted with the authorities. Didnt even realise we had McCulloch here until I saw him in the dugout such was my disconnect from here and football. However I was sceptical when I did see him there. I can see him being the sort to undermine others.  I can see why you would expect more from him. Be interesting to know the dynamic between the coaching staff.

Interesting stuff. You could say the uniqueness of the season increases the potential excuses and provides some camouflage for a coaching team that are sub standard (as must surely be a fair guess by now).The BBC site gives some stats re Neilson spell at United losing cup games to East Fife and Arbroath.

[Thomaso]

2 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

Interesting stuff. You could say the uniqueness of the season increases the potential excuses and provides some camouflage for a coaching team that are sub standard (as must surely be a fair guess by now).The BBC site gives some stats re Neilson spell at United losing cup games to East Fife and Arbroath.

Neilson’s cup record is appalling saved only by that semi win against Hibs.

His mentor’s cup record is also awful camouflaged by a cup final appearance after the easiest draw you could ever wish for!

To win one off cup ties you need to be prepared to have a go, be brave and have some bottle - that pair had none of these characteristics!

[Auldbenches]

17 minutes ago, sadj said:

No it doesn’t excuse anything. These results shouldn’t be happening. The current circumstance will prevent team bonding trips and socialising etc. Itll also prob be a factor in little groups and divides in the squad. That does not stop players from having a proper attitude and applying themselves. The summer will tell us a lot. I paid zero attention last summer as I was disgusted with the authorities. Didnt even realise we had McCulloch here until I saw him in the dugout such was my disconnect from here and football. However I was sceptical when I did see him there. I can see him being the sort to undermine others.  I can see why you would expect more from him. Be interesting to know the dynamic between the coaching staff.

Interesting point about him maybe undermining others.  Maybe him previously being the head coach is having a detrimental effect.   

It does look like there are divided camps at riccarton as it's difficult to see any team spirit on the park.  

I never noticed but someone said that none of the players celebrated with Berra after he scored.   

There is something behind the scenes on the playing front that needs addressing.  Maybe a boot up the erchie might get the players motivated.  

[Auldbenches]

3 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

Neilson’s cup record is appalling saved only by that semi win against Hibs.

His mentor’s cup record is also awful camouflaged by a cup final appearance after the easiest draw you could ever wish for!

To win one off cup ties you need to be prepared to have a go, be brave and have some bottle - that pair had none of these characteristics!

Interesting that they both have similar cup records and the same cautious approach.   

I wonder how many top division sides he has beaten in one of cup games.  

We can't realistically win the league so if we don't change in cup games we won't win anything.  

We only really have two trophies that we can win so why hold back?

Maybe teams up here are treating vmcup games the way top teams down south do.  I understand that if you are going for the league or in Europe but not lower/ highland league teams. 

We need a complete knew approach or we never win a cup playing the football we do.   

 

[Riccarton3]

3 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

Neilson’s cup record is appalling saved only by that semi win against Hibs.

His mentor’s cup record is also awful camouflaged by a cup final appearance after the easiest draw you could ever wish for!

To win one off cup ties you need to be prepared to have a go, be brave and have some bottle - that pair had none of these characteristics!

Unfortunately, there are enough reasons, however brittle, for Neilson to be retained. It can all be argued away. Yes, even after the black comedy of losing to a non league part time outfit who hadn't played since January. People don't like to be proved wrong and Budge is certainly in that camp. The CLUB suffers as a result. You only have to remember how fond she is of Levein to see why she acts the way she does

[Riccarton3]

4 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

Unfortunately, there are enough reasons, however brittle, for Neilson to be retained. It can all be argued away. Yes, even after the black comedy of losing to a non league part time outfit who hadn't played since January. People don't like to be proved wrong and Budge is certainly in that camp. The CLUB suffers as a result. You only have to remember how fond she is of Levein to see red flags. He was removed and then would have been asked by Budge re Neilson or Levein will have initiated it. Sickening 

 

Edited March 27, 2021 by Riccarton3

[sac]

11 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Definitely 

Mines isn’t.

[jamboozy]

1 minute ago, sac said:

Mines isn’t.

Nice ball control, what does he/she do on a Saturday afternoon?

[sadj]

37 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

Interesting stuff. You could say the uniqueness of the season increases the potential excuses and provides some camouflage for a coaching team that are sub standard (as must surely be a fair guess by now).The BBC site gives some stats re Neilson spell at United losing cup games to East Fife and Arbroath.

I do not think Robbie has come close to performing in any cup competition. If thats by design then its stupid as. Its literally the only prospect of a trophy for us all and sometimes they feel like they are viewed as an inconvenience. 
 

I would like to see Robbie go back to double sessions (not sure if thats doable under the terms of sport being allowed at the mo) but it would show who gives a **** and show the players who want to be professional and it would earn a bit of respect back from the fans.

 

I dont know the answer to this but what did we do for preseason? 

Edited March 27, 2021 by sadj

[Pasquale for King]

40 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

Please elaborate - I’ve known JJ for over 40 years so I’m interested in your exclusive info.

As I said I would get emptied, use your imagination. 

[Tynecastlesmychurch]

12 hours ago, 160598 said:

Await no more my friend I totally disagree. There is no they as that suggests a team. They are a group of individuals being given shit instruction from an inexperienced manager in a shit formation with zero confidence. Can you honestly say that these players should not be pishing most games by 2 goals minimum. Effort, runs, tackling, passing, dare I say inventiveness, being resolute all cost sweet farc all. If they are not bursting a lung after 90 minutes they have not been trying. Id give my left nut to pull on the maroon shirt. All currently down to RN. The buck stops there (all this AB and FOH pish i read (not from you)! ) Regards mate

No worries buddy! Your point is well put tbf! It will be interesting to see what happens between now and the summer with regards to Robbie and the squad!

[sadj]

5 minutes ago, sac said:

Mines isn’t.

🤣🤣

26 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

Interesting to see if Irving is selected today.

Hes a talented boy but he needs to perform. If he is leaving then i’d say its time to drop him as he has been as poor as anyone else recently. If thats because hes leaving its very unprofessional. If theres another reason benching him for a game or two might help. 

22 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

Interesting point about him maybe undermining others.  Maybe him previously being the head coach is having a detrimental effect.   

It does look like there are divided camps at riccarton as it's difficult to see any team spirit on the park.  

I never noticed but someone said that none of the players celebrated with Berra after he scored.   

There is something behind the scenes on the playing front that needs addressing.  Maybe a boot up the erchie might get the players motivated.  

 Tuesday not celebrating I put down to the fact theyd all fee humiliated at having had to score an equaliser. I would be pissed off if they had celebrated. I recall Berra ran straight back up the pitch to get on with things and no one really celebrated. 
 

Need something like the Simpsons where bart gets the boot in Australia , but line them all up and we all get a kick each.....

 

As I said I think the summer will be the big test and McCulloch was just my own opinion and observation. I may be off the mark , hes not someone i have ever met. 
 

Is Rankin still at the club i have a lot of time for him.

[Pasquale for King]

8 minutes ago, jamboozy said:

Nice ball control, what does he/she do on a Saturday afternoon?

Sits looking at me shouting at my phone. She can move a tennis ball from paw to paw better than Berra can 😆. 

[sadj]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Sits looking at me shouting at my phone. She can move a tennis ball from paw to paw better than Berra can 😆. 

 

But what about a ball foot to foot 😉

 

I’m pretty sure mine just lifts her head and is saying to herself “you know they are playing shit why are you surprised and shouting at the tv im trying to sleep”

[Auldbenches]

2 minutes ago, sadj said:

🤣🤣

Hes a talented boy but he needs to perform. If he is leaving then i’d say its time to drop him as he has been as poor as anyone else recently. If thats because hes leaving its very unprofessional. If theres another reason benching him for a game or two might help. 

 Tuesday not celebrating I put down to the fact theyd all fee humiliated at having had to score an equaliser. I would be pissed off if they had celebrated. I recall Berra ran straight back up the pitch to get on with things and no one really celebrated. 
 

Need something like the Simpsons where bart gets the boot in Australia , but line them all up and we all get a kick each.....

 

As I said I think the summer will be the big test and McCulloch was just my own opinion and observation. I may be off the mark , hes not someone i have ever met. 
 

Is Rankin still at the club i have a lot of time for him.

I think Rankin was mentioned as a possible caretaker role if robbie got sacked or left so he must still be here.  He is the only ine that hasn't been slated. (give it  time..)  I think he comes well in the media.  He might be a future first team coach somewhere.  

[jambonian]

Just now, Auldbenches said:

I think Rankin was mentioned as a possible caretaker role if robbie got sacked or left so he must still be here.  He is the only ine that hasn't been slated. (give it  time..)  I think he comes well in the media.  He might be a future first team coach somewhere.  

 

Ex-Hibs.....nah, not for me.

On another note....what's happened to Andy Kirk? Is he still involved or did he leave when Neilson brought his own coaches in? Haven't heard his name mentioned at all in recent months.

[sadj]

2 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

I think Rankin was mentioned as a possible caretaker role if robbie got sacked or left so he must still be here.  He is the only ine that hasn't been slated. (give it  time..)  I think he comes well in the media.  He might be a future first team coach somewhere.  

I think Rankin has potential to be a very good coach and manager as time goes on. Glad he is still with us. 👍🏻

[Pasquale for King]

19 minutes ago, sac said:

Mines isn’t.

Beautiful. My strips would drown her . 

[sadj]

Just now, jambonian said:

 

Ex-Hibs.....nah, not for me.

On another note....what's happened to Andy Kirk? Is he still involved or did he leave when Neilson brought his own coaches in? Haven't heard his name mentioned at all in recent months.

I know he is ex Hibs but if you ever get a chance to speak to him about football and Hearts you will I promise you change your mind 🤘🏻

[Auldbenches]

1 minute ago, jambonian said:

 

Ex-Hibs.....nah, not for me.

On another note....what's happened to Andy Kirk? Is he still involved or did he leave when Neilson brought his own coaches in? Haven't heard his name mentioned at all in recent months.

Someone said 'promoted' to the womens team.  

[luckydug]

20 minutes ago, sac said:

Mines isn’t.

Thanks for that. 👍

He'd put some bite into our attack. 

Get him signed. 😁

 

[Gambo]

4 minutes ago, jambonian said:

 

Ex-Hibs.....nah, not for me.

On another note....what's happened to Andy Kirk? Is he still involved or did he leave when Neilson brought his own coaches in? Haven't heard his name mentioned at all in recent months.

In charge of Hearts Ladies

[jambonian]

1 minute ago, sadj said:

I know he is ex Hibs but if you ever get a chance to speak to him about football and Hearts you will I promise you change your mind 🤘🏻

 

Fair enough.

 

Just now, Auldbenches said:

Someone said 'promoted' to the womens team.  

 

Ah.....right! I do remember that now. How i forgot that i don't know!

Age does funny things!

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, jambonian said:

 

Ex-Hibs.....nah, not for me.

On another note....what's happened to Andy Kirk? Is he still involved or did he leave when Neilson brought his own coaches in? Haven't heard his name mentioned at all in recent months.

He’s coaching the women’s team along with old only fit for NI Hughes. 

[jambonian]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

He’s coaching the women’s team along with old only fit for NI Hughes. 

 

Yes, i'd forgot he was doing that job.

Aaron Hughes though!? I definitely didn't know that. Thought he'd left Hearts donkey's ago.

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, jambonian said:

 

Yes, i'd forgot he was doing that job.

Aaron Hughes though!? I definitely didn't know that. Thought he'd left Hearts donkey's ago.

Must’ve just come back recently, maybe not even on the payroll, I think he’s due us to be honest. 

[jambonian]

31 minutes ago, sac said:

Mines isn’t.

Get him in the number 10 role. He'd frighten the life out of any defenders getting in his way!

[Auldbenches]

8 minutes ago, jambonian said:

 

Fair enough.

 

 

Ah.....right! I do remember that now. How i forgot that i don't know!

Age does funny things!

I only seen it on here a couple of days ago.  Punishment for being stendel's favourite..?