Anti Social Behaviour

[Dagger Is Back]

2 hours ago, Harry Potter said:

up to the cooncil.

Don’t hold your breath. People are selfish and lazy and along with the removal of street cleaners, the amount of litter in our city streets is disgusting,

 

Forget the council

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

Don’t hold your breath. People are selfish and lazy and along with the removal of street cleaners, the amount of litter in our city streets is disgusting,

 

Forget the council

If it doesn't involve cycle lanes forget the council. 

[Dagger Is Back]

32 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

If it doesn't involve cycle lanes forget the council. 

True that. Floating bus stops! 🤦‍♂️

[Robbo-Jambo]

5 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

First thing you've done right is that you care. I know a lot of families where the kids are off the rails or heading there because the parents are not interested enough to focus on their kids. They're selfish; they care about getting their hair done or getting out for golf twice in the weekend, going out for meals and a bevvy; working more hours than necessary so that they have more money than they actually need but they want to drive a car that's under 2 years old and has all the gizmos.

Kids are a distraction and an annoyance so keep them happy by buying them stuff: Playstation; AirMax; Canada Goose... giving in to their every demand because they are just not prepared to challenge the kids. So the kids grow up believing that they can do whatever they like. Some kids will fall into friendship groups where they manage to avoid the seriously mental stuff but others land badly. Without parents showing them the way, they do whatever their mates tell them is fun.

Not helped that the feckless parents will all-of-a-sudden get heavily invested if you or the police or the kids' school decide to take action against the kids. Then they'll do what they think parents should do and get involved in defending their kids.

It's pathetic and I've seen it over and over and over.

 

 

I often think this as I go about the parks, river banks and canal banks around my area. The councils haven't committed the money to keeping our areas in top shape but there's nothing that a few days of effort put in by a chain gang (for want of a better word) wouldn't be able to put right.

Good post. 

[theshed]

2 hours ago, Dagger Is Back said:

Don’t hold your breath. People are selfish and lazy and along with the removal of street cleaners, the amount of litter in our city streets is disgusting,

 

Forget the council

In East Lothian most of the litter is blown from the recycling boxes when it’s windy but I suppose that’s another thread all together 

[frankblack]

4 hours ago, theshed said:

In East Lothian most of the litter is blown from the recycling boxes when it’s windy but I suppose that’s another thread all together 

 

Same here in Edinburgh.  Our street has blocks of flats up and down on both sides and it acts like a wind tunnel.  In strong winds you daren't put the recycling bins out the day before or their contents will be blown everywhere.

 

That of course is the result of the council changing the old green landfill bins into recycling bins instead of supplying something fit for purpose that doesn't open up and spew out the loose contents when blown over!

[dannymack]

On 06/03/2021 at 20:22, John Findlay said:

No different on the trains. Fife circle being particularly bad at the moment.

Its simple. No discipline in the home and when they go back, no discipline at school. The police's hands are tied with human rights shite nowadays.

The wee scores are untouchable and they know it.

 

Is it not the case that certain parts of society these days is all geared towards preventing discipline in schools ? The Liberal handwringers have a multitude of excuses and reasons to protect the youngsters who are hell bent on causing disruption by actually rewarding the little ****ers if they manage to behave for a day or two after they've kicked off and disrupted class.

[dannymack]

On 17/03/2021 at 09:07, Cade said:

18 wee pricks have been charged with various offences.

 

Shame they weren't charged by mounted riot police in the process.

Name and shame, photographs in the press. 

It may well be a badge of honour for some but overall the embarrassment of that could be used as a deterrent... then again.

[jack D and coke]

On 17/03/2021 at 16:33, Sharpie said:

 I have referred to in other posts a makeshift unit that was created to cease activities of a gang called the Jacobites. They started in a showground in Niddrie Mains Road, jostling threatening and just being a nuisance. Their considered success saw an escalation in numbers and their activities more serious. I personally took the report of a young man in a wheelchair being seriously assaulted by some members of the gang. They were arrested shortly after and incarcerated at Braid Place. Police were concerned for their well being and visited them in their cell to see they were being properly taken care of. As a result of their unlawful actions a small group of experienced officers were detailed into a team under a sergeant to deescalate the gangs activities. We did with success, by a series of actions that possibly could have been classed as harrassment, but they were too stupid to complain. They were accused of loitering, and when they moved to a bus stop to beat this tactic two policemen joined them and ensured that getting on the bus cost them a fare and when they got off we did also. It all came to an end when they were at a pub in an old house on either Old Dalkeith Road or Gilmerton Road I forget now, and caused a major disturbance. The leaders particularly were arrested, and convicted of various crimes. A total success. We never broke the law or regulations to enforce our will we just took it to the limits of correctness at times, as the saying goes when the going gets tough the tough get going.

How it used to be. Laughable to think about the police doing stuff like that now. 
Every copper i see now as well is about 5ft 5 and tubby. Coppers used to be big intimidating guys but it’s all wee fat dudes and wee lassies now. 
Pathetic. 

[Governor Tarkin]

10 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

How it used to be. Laughable to think about the police doing stuff like that now. 
Every copper i see now as well is about 5ft 5 and tubby. Coppers used to be big intimidating guys but it’s all wee fat dudes and wee lassies now. 
Pathetic. 

 

Had a few boots up the arse from the more robust coppers back in the late 80s and early 90s. Mostly well deserved. Didn't even cross my mind to complain or the old man would've booted me down the stairs too.

We knew all the local polis by their first names, and they knew us. Once we were put in no doubt of who was in charge, a sort of mutual reapect broke out, and it mostly stayed that way until the rave scene came along and we were all too busy chowing our shoulders off to cause any further bother.

I'm all for coppers nipping it in the bud and cracking a few skulls. The absolute ****ing worst thing that could've happened to my lot was being allowed to think that we could get away with it.

 

I'm all for the rights of the individual, but society comes first, and these wee feral ****s need that paggered into them, pronto.

[jack D and coke]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Had a few boots up the arse from the more robust coppers back in the late 80s and early 90s. Mostly well deserved. Didn't even cross my mind to complain or the old man would've booted me down the stairs too.

We knew all the local polis by their first names, and they knew us. Once we were put in no doubt of who was in charge, a sort of mutual reapect broke out, and it mostly stayed that way until the rave scene came along and we were all too busy chowing our shoulders off to cause any further bother.

I'm all for coppers nipping it in the bud and cracking a few skulls. The absolute ****ing worst thing that could've happened to my lot was being allowed to think that we could get away with it.

 

I'm all for the rights of the individual, but society comes first, and these wee feral ****s need that paggered into them, pronto.

I fractured more than a law or two as a yoof man I was no angel. It is however dead easy to look back now and cast wild assertions.

[jack D and coke]

17 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I fractured more than a law or two as a yoof man I was no angel. It is however dead easy to look back now and cast wild assertions.

@Governor Tarkinive read this back to myself a few times now and I have no idea what I was on about  

Sparkled last night☺️

[Tazio]

1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

@Governor Tarkinive read this back to myself a few times now and I have no idea what I was on about  

Sparkled last night☺️

I may have broken a law or two myself as a young man. 
Goodness me, I certainly wasn’t a model citizen. However I find myself looking back yet still casting aspersions on the young people of the present. 
Sober interpretation. 

[jack D and coke]

3 minutes ago, Tazio said:

I may have broken a law or two myself as a young man. 
Goodness me, I certainly wasn’t a model citizen. However I find myself looking back yet still casting aspersions on the young people of the present. 
Sober interpretation. 

Lol clearer now👍🏼

[luckyBatistuta]

18 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Had a few boots up the arse from the more robust coppers back in the late 80s and early 90s. Mostly well deserved. Didn't even cross my mind to complain or the old man would've booted me down the stairs too.

We knew all the local polis by their first names, and they knew us. Once we were put in no doubt of who was in charge, a sort of mutual reapect broke out, and it mostly stayed that way until the rave scene came along and we were all too busy chowing our shoulders off to cause any further bother.

I'm all for coppers nipping it in the bud and cracking a few skulls. The absolute ****ing worst thing that could've happened to my lot was being allowed to think that we could get away with it.

 

I'm all for the rights of the individual, but society comes first, and these wee feral ****s need that paggered into them, pronto.

Good post GT👏

[Shanks said no]

Appears Bristol has erupted

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1373731192558731267

 

[milky_26]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-56475313

 

boy has his house torched after confronting anti social behaviour

[Shanks said no]

A protester smashes the window of Bridewell Police Station

[glynnlondon]

50 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Appears Bristol has erupted

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1373731192558731267

 

Lefty vermin and the pigs knocking lumps out of each other.

Arf

[Shanks said no]

13 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Pretty sure half those folk would be more worried about dropping and smashing the phones they video things on than the actual bill they claim to be protesting about. Just take a few of the riot police to knock phones out of hands and they'd probably scarper.

 

Soft-touch responses - no matter what happens later with CCTV, etc - leads to the perception of authorities being soft-touch. 

 

Softly Softly is an understatement, Police about 20 feet away while their station is getting trashed. Other videos clearly showing culprits.

 

This boy is streaming it live, appears to be a standoff, who will go home first.

 

blob:https://www.facebook.com/fb64c5c1-13b0-4ea1-8166-5bab32369093

 

Edit - appears to have stopped filming now

 

 

Edited March 21, 2021 by The Frenchman Returns

[The Real Maroonblood]

43 minutes ago, glynnlondon said:

Lefty vermin and the pigs knocking lumps out of each other.

Arf

[Sharpie]

4 hours ago, glynnlondon said:

Lefty vermin and the pigs knocking lumps out of each other.

Arf

  So you are against the lefty vermin, and I assume you mean the police so who are you actually in favor of, is it right wing thugs. Referring to the police as pigs, and obviously not a supporter if you could get. rid of them who would you appoint in their place. Would their job involve law enforcement, or just let the disorderly sort themselves out. Traffic enforcement same thing, I agree with your right to state your opinion in a free society, but where you have such disdain and broadcast it so publicly I just think you mebbe should be prepared to get rid of pigs and advise to whom you would delegate the authority they use. I am always prepared to learn and await with bated breath your wisdom.

[John Findlay]

On 20/03/2021 at 10:32, dannymack said:

 

Is it not the case that certain parts of society these days is all geared towards preventing discipline in schools ? The Liberal handwringers have a multitude of excuses and reasons to protect the youngsters who are hell bent on causing disruption by actually rewarding the little ****ers if they manage to behave for a day or two after they've kicked off and disrupted class.

Thats you really upset the teachers on here 😉

[Nucky Thompson]

The Police were videoing them and identifying them. In a few days the Police will be bashing down the doors of their squats and ripping them out of their tree houses and sewers. Job done

[The Real Maroonblood]

44 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The Police were videoing them and identifying them. In a few days the Police will be bashing down the doors of their squats and ripping them out of their tree houses and sewers. Job done

[Shanks said no]

54 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The Police were videoing them and identifying them. In a few days the Police will be bashing down the doors of their squats and ripping them out of their tree houses and sewers. Job done

can they stream it live? That would be entertaining seeing them cry for mummy

[Cade]

"When you make peaceful protest impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable"

-JFK

 

Not to say there is any excuse for the mayhem in Bristol last night, but this new policing bill is an affront to Democracy.

 

 

[Justin Z]

33 minutes ago, Cade said:

"When you make peaceful protest impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable"

-JFK

 

Not to say there is any excuse for the mayhem in Bristol last night, but this new policing bill is an affront to Democracy.

 

It is. I haven't seen a single person happy with the content of the bill. Blaming left/right/centre is all well and good, but it really misses the point. Fear of oppression (to say nothing of oppression itself) will always cause backlash, and for good reason: it's anathema to the idea of a free society.

[John Findlay]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

"When you make peaceful protest impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable"

-JFK

 

Not to say there is any excuse for the mayhem in Bristol last night, but this new policing bill is an affront to Democracy.

 

 

Those serial shaggers sure could come up with a quote.

[Francis Albert]

Clever of the bill's sponsors to organise this advert for the bill.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

"When you make peaceful protest impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable"

-JFK

 

Not to say there is any excuse for the mayhem in Bristol last night, but this new policing bill is an affront to Democracy.

 

 

When you support right wing dictators as a bulwark against Communism/Socialism . you make violent revolution inevitable.

 

 

 

[Sharpie]

The world at this time is dysfunctional.  Miami having to act because of dysfunctional behaviour during the Spring Break, Edinburgh in chaos because of rampaging children basically because they are not controlled by legal action. Still protests and demonstrations about everything in the United States. After four years of no immigration a billion dollar wall and endless criticism of the government actions the gates have been thrown open by a new President and chaos reigns. In Kelowna here, a mid size beautiful holiday town, in one of the reputed to be most beautiful regions in Canada, skiing in the snowy mountains in winter, lakes for boating, swimming fishing,  in summer. Beautiful weather a paradise on earth, but there are at least so far peaceful but angry protests about masks, vaccines, closed facilities, including restrictions on congregations at church services. There have been fights in malls and stores where masks are mandatory, violence and damage seem to have become a normalcy, yes Covid is a terrible terrible pandemic, but surely the way to face an enemy is unity, standing together, putting aside for the time being our differences to face the challenges, but not us we are the higher species and know best.

[Japan Jambo]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

"When you make peaceful protest impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable"

-JFK

 

Not to say there is any excuse for the mayhem in Bristol last night, but this new policing bill is an affront to Democracy.

 

 

 

As someone who lives in the middle of London and has been seriously effected by XR's antics what I can say is that my rights to go home/go to work have been seriously impacted so whatever powers the police do have they either don't work or aren't being used.

 

I haven't read the bill, which parts are problematic?

[highlandjambo3]

On 17/03/2021 at 20:33, indianajones said:

National service. 

 

Country would benefit massively from it. 

Absolutely no chance....heard this rattled out a few times over the years but it would not work. The kids today are a completely different type of teenager/young adult than back in the 50’s & 60’s.

 

I spent two years as a company sergeant major training recruits at Glencorse barracks in 2003, the biggest my company became was 173 recruits (all 16/17 years old) and 25 permanent staff (corporals/sergeants/officers).  We would often spend a considerable part of the day dealing with discipline & administrative nightmares, kids crying to go home, running away, bullying, theft, *complaining of bullying from the staff/instructors.  Monday mornings were the worst after a weekend off.  Loads of them would not return from their leave and we even had parents lying about where they were...........remember all of these recruits at that time were volunteers..........so que national service with 10 x that amount in training......nah......won’t work.

 

 

* often they were just complaining because they had to get up at 0630, or aching limbs due to physical training.

[3fingersreid]

And again at the weekend 😡

[Cade]

1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

As someone who lives in the middle of London and has been seriously effected by XR's antics what I can say is that my rights to go home/go to work have been seriously impacted so whatever powers the police do have they either don't work or aren't being used.

 

I haven't read the bill, which parts are problematic?

 

That it leaves it up to plod to decide what's too loud or what constitutes "serious annoyance".

 

It's far too vague, open-ended and wide open to abuses. 

Even former Chief Constables have slammed it.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Cade

[Sharpie]

2 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Absolutely no chance....heard this rattled out a few times over the years but it would not work. The kids today are a completely different type of teenager/young adult than back in the 50’s & 60’s.

 

I spent two years as a company sergeant major training recruits at Glencorse barracks in 2003, the biggest my company became was 173 recruits (all 16/17 years old) and 25 permanent staff (corporals/sergeants/officers).  We would often spend a considerable part of the day dealing with discipline & administrative nightmares, kids crying to go home, running away, bullying, theft, *complaining of bullying from the staff/instructors.  Monday mornings were the worst after a weekend off.  Loads of them would not return from their leave and we even had parents lying about where they were...........remember all of these recruits at that time were volunteers..........so que national service with 10 x that amount in training......nah......won’t work.

 

 

* often they were just complaining because they had to get up at 0630, or aching limbs due to physical training.

 

In my time it was mixed National Service and Regulars in training. There were even some who had been given a  choice in Court the army or Borstal. There was no one under 171/2, so we were treated as men. There was bullying, insults, threats, charges, and even sly assaults, what there was none of other than barrack room chatter  complaints. I have said before the Guards Depot of my exact time was described as a Hell on Earth for these young men ., this by Canadian officers.  On completion of training and into full service, the Court ordered hooks,crooks and comic singers became what they were, discipline was administered by the victim, or went unpunished. If you wanted to meet real hard men, court sentenced people from Liverpool, and East London rated as  hard a group as I ever met in thirty six years of police service. I did meet some of my former servicemen, and the experience they had did in fact make them better people, the fear of getting sent back of course could have been another motivator. 

Of course what went on in 1952 would probably not be allowed now, when you see some of the stuff it's too bad.

[Japan Jambo]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

 

That it leaves it up to plod to decide what's too loud or what constitutes "serious annoyance".

 

It's far too vague, open-ended and wide open to abuses. 

Even former Chief Constables have slammed it.
 

 

 

not getting much from the video, but I do get the point that if it's vague and open to interpretation it'll end in a guddle - what I do know is the pendulum has swung too far the other way and something does need corrected. I wish MP's from all sides would do their job and help shape the legislation into something that protects all folks and leaves the police in a position to enforce what has been passed instead of grandstanding and tweeting along party lines. Ambulances unable to take sick people to hospital because folks have glued themselves to the road goes beyond legitimate protest regardless of how well meaning the cause. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Japan Jambo
clarity

[John Findlay]

3 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Absolutely no chance....heard this rattled out a few times over the years but it would not work. The kids today are a completely different type of teenager/young adult than back in the 50’s & 60’s.

 

I spent two years as a company sergeant major training recruits at Glencorse barracks in 2003, the biggest my company became was 173 recruits (all 16/17 years old) and 25 permanent staff (corporals/sergeants/officers).  We would often spend a considerable part of the day dealing with discipline & administrative nightmares, kids crying to go home, running away, bullying, theft, *complaining of bullying from the staff/instructors.  Monday mornings were the worst after a weekend off.  Loads of them would not return from their leave and we even had parents lying about where they were...........remember all of these recruits at that time were volunteers..........so que national service with 10 x that amount in training......nah......won’t work.

 

 

* often they were just complaining because they had to get up at 0630, or aching limbs due to physical training.

One of the reasons I left the Navy in 1990(31 years ago this April), was because it was relaxing discipline in an effort to keep guys( no women at sea at the time then) from handing in their notice(18  months notice back then) and leaving 

My last sea draft( ship) was Hms Andromeda 1987-Jan 1990. I was LHOM(Leading hand of the mess) 3 Lima mess(all communications ratings leading hand and below), I went weekend leave on the Friday as I wasnt duty at all over the weekend. When I got back onboard the Monday morning I was informed that one of the mess was in the Royal Naval Hospital with a fractured skull. Naturally this was complete news to me.

What had happened was he and another guy had, had a dispute and the other guy had cracked him over the head with a Sampson bar. A Sampson bar was a round piece of hollow metal, Iron which was used to go over the clips of watertight doors to make the clips really tight to preserve the watertight integrity of the ship. He came within an inch according to the medical staff at Haslar of killing the other guy.

Naturally he was court martialled.

His court martial was being held whilst we were away at sea, and the only person the captain would allow to attend was the yeoman, my immediate superior, to give a character reference for the accused.

No one else was allowed to attend.

The guy got 90 days detention quarters(90 days in Naval prison at Portsmouth), 90 days for fracturing someone's skull. To me he should have got alot more than that and dismissed from the service. As I said they were desperate to keep guys in.

I knew I wouldnt be signing on again after my nine years man time was up.

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

not getting much from the video, but I do get the point that if it's vague and open to interpretation it'll end in a guddle - what I do know is the pendulum has swung too far the other way and something does need corrected. I wish MP's from all sides would do their job and help shape the legislation into something that protects all folks and leaves the police in a position to enforce what has been passed instead of grandstanding and tweeting along party lines. Ambulances unable to take sick people to hospital because folks have glued themselves to the road goes beyond legitimate protest regardless of how well meaning the cause. 

I would say especially how well meaning the cause. The example you give, the rioters in Bristol, the hijackers of the Sarah Everard vigil damaged their cause. Pure self indulgence.

[John Findlay]

Pictures of persons Avon and Somerset police would like to speak 

With regard to the recent riot in Bristol. 

[frankblack]

On 22/03/2021 at 20:07, Francis Albert said:

I would say especially how well meaning the cause. The example you give, the rioters in Bristol, the hijackers of the Sarah Everard vigil damaged their cause. Pure self indulgence.

 

I think the same lot were probably involved in trouble at BLM protests last year also.  Simply anarchists looking for an opportunity.

Edited March 25, 2021 by frankblack

[Doctor FinnBarr]

26 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I think 'Person N' got lost on his way home from George Square a few weeks ago and just kept heading south, hitting off-licences along the way.

 

Is person H toyah?

 

[Cade]

Avon & Somerset Police retract statements about officers having suffered broken bones and a punctured lung.

 

No bones were broken and no lungs were damaged. Lying bassas.

 

Whilst this doesn't excuse the blatant criminality from the fringe lunatics who were hell bent on causing trouble, it also further undermines public confidence in the Police.

They can't help but make things worse.

[Maroon Sailor]

Youth arrested for firing BB gun at passengers on a bus in East Lothian

 

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/teenager-arrested-and-charged-for-firing-a-bb-gun-at-members-of-the-public-on-a-bus-in-east-lothian-3186632?amp#aoh=16172907256557&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

[Clerry Jambo]

Not going away buses diverted again tonight down pennywell happened regularly in recent weeks

[frankblack]

5 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Not going away buses diverted again tonight down pennywell happened regularly in recent weeks

 

You do wonder what the police station is for at Drylaw if they can't patrol their own neighbourhood.

[Sharpie]

20 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

You do wonder what the police station is for at Drylaw if they can't patrol their own neighbourhood.

 mebbe they couldnae get a bus to get to work.

[Maroon Sailor]

Another brick through a bus window just missing a baby's head

[John Findlay]

11 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

You do wonder what the police station is for at Drylaw if they can't patrol their own neighbourhood.

I preferred the old station building to the new one. Old building was far more intimidating looking.