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8 hours ago, No Idle Talk said:

I find this train of thought that says 'it doesn't matter how we play this season as long as we win the matches and get promoted' to be a bit short sighted, I have to say. Obviously the bottom line is that we want to win the games and failure to get promoted would be a disaster. But we need to be thinking a bit more bigger picture than that. I certainly hope our management team are.

 

If we were to win every game from now until the end of the season 1-0 or 2-1 and we were just scraping by and not really playing well, that doesn't really set us up very well for next season does it? I feel we should be using the fact that we are facing weaker opposition as an opportunity to fine tune a style of play, work on our attacking play in particular, and build confidence throughout the squad by scoring a lot of goals and winning games convincingly. Obviously we can't win convincingly all the time but that is certainly what we should be striving for in this league. 

 

I'd actually be pretty disappointed in the management team if they were sending out signals to the players that any win will do and it doesn't really matter about performances just as long as we get promoted. I really feel we shouldn't be viewing this season as a kind of season in isolation. We should be looking at it in terms of where we want to be at the beginning of next season and using it to build towards that time.  


This reads to me as a description of how the world “ought” to work, not how it does work. I’d say that in practice, teams that are promoted playing a lot of attacking football often struggle when they move up. Stendel’s Barnsley team was I think  a good example of this. Conversely teams that have the knack of squeezing wins out of tight games may continue to pick up points at the higher level.

 

I’m reminded of a quote from a Celtic manager (can’t remember which one) when they went out of Europe on goal difference after a 5-4 home win. “It was a swashbuckling performance - the attack swashed but the defence buckled”. That may be the fate of a team that moves up a division after putting the emphasis on attacking at the lower level. 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Irving and Halliday are awful together. They just don't click imo. They certainly don't deserve a start after the last game.  If they start then the players around them will have to work twice as hard. Awful pairing, just awful.

 

I know it's part of your brand on here to be negative about absolutely everything, but, when playing Halliday and Irving together in midfield, we have won every game, aside from a draw against Celtic at Hampden. Believe it is Played 10, Won 9, Drawn 1. Not bad for an awful pairing.

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17 minutes ago, Niemi’s gloves said:


This reads to me as a description of how the world “ought” to work, not how it does work. I’d say that in practice, teams that are promoted playing a lot of attacking football often struggle when they move up. Stendel’s Barnsley team was I think  a good example of this. Conversely teams that have the knack of squeezing wins out of tight games may continue to pick up points at the higher level.

 

I’m reminded of a quote from a Celtic manager (can’t remember which one) when they went out of Europe on goal difference after a 5-4 home win. “It was a swashbuckling performance - the attack swashed but the defence buckled”. That may be the fate of a team that moves up a division after putting the emphasis on attacking at the lower level. 

 

 

I get what you are saying but believe you’re maybe overthinking it a wee bit. Unlike most promotion chasing teams we have some excellent attacking players. Play to there strengths and get better central defenders and there’s no reason at all we can’t play an attacking style in the top flight. 

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1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Irving and Halliday are awful together. They just don't click imo. They certainly don't deserve a start after the last game.  If they start then the players around them will have to work twice as hard. Awful pairing, just awful.

 

16 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

 

I know it's part of your brand on here to be negative about absolutely everything, but, when playing Halliday and Irving together in midfield, we have won every game, aside from a draw against Celtic at Hampden. Believe it is Played 10, Won 9, Drawn 1. Not bad for an awful pairing.

 

8 minutes ago, Barack said:

Oh, i8. :lol:

 

Back to the spreadsheets.

HaHa comedy gold.

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indianajones

Used to not mind QotS. Hope they are knackered now though.

 

Dumfries is  still quite a nice area. 

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1 hour ago, portobellojambo1 said:

 

I agree with the above Geoff, promotion back to the top flight is the important factor, not how we do it, how many goals we score, just doing it. I was probably one of many who thought after some of the results we got the last time we were in the Championship that coming back up it would be more of the same, we'd just steamroller every team. I hope, but am getting the impression, that the back room staff are learning a lot more this time round, in as much as they are learning in advance of coming back up who will be best suited to help us hold our own once there. I suspect that in addition to working out who, and in what positions, people will continue to perform well in the top flight, working out which players we can say goodbye to and where we need to strengthen will also be getting considered in advance of next season, rather than waiting and trying to then change everything once the new season is underway. Beat the opposition, irrespective of the score, and the end result is always three points, learning from games we lose, why we lost them, is also a big factor. Once up instilling belief in the players will also play its part, and that is where I think having guys like Lee McCulloch amongst the backroom staff can help. He was brought up with the sort of attitude that is bred by the OF, that football is all about winning, not just playing, and I think we need to instill a similar attitude in our players, that winning = prizes.

Strange how time revises memories and beliefs. Last time we were in the Championship we won 11 of our games by one goal. Not really ‘steamrollering’ every game. 

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40 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

 

I know it's part of your brand on here to be negative about absolutely everything, but, when playing Halliday and Irving together in midfield, we have won every game, aside from a draw against Celtic at Hampden. Believe it is Played 10, Won 9, Drawn 1. Not bad for an awful pairing.

Not to look like I'm sticking up for I8 but Halliday & Irving played v Raith in the 3-2 loss, and Halliday was worse than an empty jersey, Irving a slightly fuller jersey.

 

The overall point stands though, we have done well in general with those two together 

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FarmerTweedy
12 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

Still don't think the game will be on but if so I think it will be 2 nil the Jambos.

I was thinking the game would probably be off tonight and popped onto this thread to see if there was any news. Having read this post, I'm now very confident that the game will go ahead! 

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1 minute ago, August Landmesser said:

Not to look like I'm sticking up for I8 but Halliday & Irving played v Raith in the 3-2 loss, and Halliday was worse than an empty jersey, Irving a slightly fuller jersey.

 

The overall point stands though, we have done well in general with those two together 

Spot on mate, that's one that I've missed. As you say, the results have generally been excellent with those 2 in the middle, and they were both stinking that day, as was almost the whole team.

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9 minutes ago, indianajones said:

Agree. Cant see it being played tonight.

 

Temp in Dumfries up to 4 or 5 degrees this afternoon

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1 hour ago, Niemi’s gloves said:


This reads to me as a description of how the world “ought” to work, not how it does work. I’d say that in practice, teams that are promoted playing a lot of attacking football often struggle when they move up. Stendel’s Barnsley team was I think  a good example of this. Conversely teams that have the knack of squeezing wins out of tight games may continue to pick up points at the higher level.

 

I’m reminded of a quote from a Celtic manager (can’t remember which one) when they went out of Europe on goal difference after a 5-4 home win. “It was a swashbuckling performance - the attack swashed but the defence buckled”. That may be the fate of a team that moves up a division after putting the emphasis on attacking at the lower level. 

 

 

 

The main difference on promoted clubs is the quality of the players. 

 

There's another thread. But Leeds United are an ultra attacking team. Fulham and West Brom squads aren't good enough. 

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If GMS starts tonight is he going to show us something??

 

Early days but he has looked very timid so far.

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4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Temp in Dumfries up to 4 or 5 degrees this afternoon

Throw another shrimp on the barbie then

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Turkishcap

Must be due a good RR performance again? Please team give Armand some good passes/crosses!

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3 minutes ago, Lambo85 said:

If GMS starts tonight is he going to show us something??

 

Early days but he has looked very timid so far.

Yeah he has disappointed me so far but he is a good player and I’m confident he will come good for us soon.

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3 minutes ago, Lambo85 said:

If GMS starts tonight is he going to show us something??

 

Early days but he has looked very timid so far.

He has looked "timid" in his whole career.

I was pleased when we signed him as he has undoubted skill.  Watching him in his first game for us I remembered that he is not the bravest.

However, he has not yet reached full fitness so we should wait until he has before judging him.

I preferred Gino (looks as though he had a better attitude) and hope that Kastaneer is better.

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1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

I get what you are saying but believe you’re maybe overthinking it a wee bit. Unlike most promotion chasing teams we have some excellent attacking players. Play to there strengths and get better central defenders and there’s no reason at all we can’t play an attacking style in the top flight. 

 

I agree.

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upgotheheads

It will be two from Halliday McEneff and Irving I think, which might tell us something about Irving's future, maybe with GMS on the bench along with Naismith. With the new arrivals this will be one of the most interesting starting line-ups of the season.

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1 hour ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

 

I know it's part of your brand on here to be negative about absolutely everything, but, when playing Halliday and Irving together in midfield, we have won every game, aside from a draw against Celtic at Hampden. Believe it is Played 10, Won 9, Drawn 1. Not bad for an awful pairing.

 

Quick. Somebody pull this man off of i8. He's killing him.....

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1 hour ago, Niemi’s gloves said:


This reads to me as a description of how the world “ought” to work, not how it does work. I’d say that in practice, teams that are promoted playing a lot of attacking football often struggle when they move up. Stendel’s Barnsley team was I think  a good example of this. Conversely teams that have the knack of squeezing wins out of tight games may continue to pick up points at the higher level.

 

I’m reminded of a quote from a Celtic manager (can’t remember which one) when they went out of Europe on goal difference after a 5-4 home win. “It was a swashbuckling performance - the attack swashed but the defence buckled”. That may be the fate of a team that moves up a division after putting the emphasis on attacking at the lower level. 

 

 

Way too sensible a post for here 😊

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42 minutes ago, FarmerTweedy said:

I was thinking the game would probably be off tonight and popped onto this thread to see if there was any news. Having read this post, I'm now very confident that the game will go ahead! 

I'm just back from Heriot Watt and I saw the team bus leave at 10am.

I thought it was a bit early as it will probably get them down there for 12pm at the latest 

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Rave MacPherson
24 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Temp in Dumfries up to 4 or 5 degrees this afternoon

Minus 2/3 degrees expected for during the game. Should go ahead no problem 

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Jim Panzee
5 minutes ago, No Idle Talk said:

 

Quick. Somebody pull this man off of i8. He's killing him.....

gumph!!

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1 minute ago, Rave MacPherson said:

Minus 2/3 degrees expected for during the game. Should go ahead no problem 

My sister and brother inlaw live 2mins walk from stadium and just spoke to them and it's nice and sunny down there and they saying everything be fine for game going ahead

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2 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said:

Minus 2/3 degrees expected for during the game. Should go ahead no problem 

 

I think so - a blessing we're not playing it tomorrow as a bit of a hoolie is forecasted

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6 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

My sister and brother inlaw live 2mins walk from stadium and just spoke to them and it's nice and sunny down there and they saying everything be fine for game going ahead

👍

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Rave MacPherson
17 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

I think so - a blessing we're not playing it tomorrow as a bit of a hoolie is forecasted

In Dumfries? Na, I've got my deck chair and knotted hanky ready for tomorrow 

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Nookie Bear
58 minutes ago, Lambo85 said:

If GMS starts tonight is he going to show us something??

 

Early days but he has looked very timid so far.

 

Only if the full backs are allowed to help him and create space. Can't expect any winger to receive the ball 40 yards from the byline with two opponents in front of them and expect them to work miracles.

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chrisyboy7

Weather conditions will again be poor....An early goal would do us good as these away game prove to be harder. GMS for the first goal...

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Bluesy1874

QOTS have generally been poor this season so no doubt a 1-0 defeat.🤣

 

In all seriousness I think a comfortable 3-0 win tonight. 

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1 hour ago, soonbe110 said:

Strange how time revises memories and beliefs. Last time we were in the Championship we won 11 of our games by one goal. Not really ‘steamrollering’ every game. 

We’ve also scored exactly the same number of goals (41) as at the same stage last time. 

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Just now, Rudolf said:

We’ve also scored exactly the same number of goals (41) as at the same stage last time. 

👍it’s amazing how the revisionists can be refuted with facts. 

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59 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I'm just back from Heriot Watt and I saw the team bus leave at 10am.

I thought it was a bit early as it will probably get them down there for 12pm at the latest 

Stopping off somewhere for food and rest I expect. 

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3 hours ago, 1953 said:

I've just looked at the met office for Dumfries. There is little chance of rain or snow but by this evening the wind will be 13mph gusting to 25mph which will make the temp feel like -6c. Good luck lads. 2-0 to us!

 

It'll be cold but that's just a breeze ffs. 

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A small weather update, not a cloud in the sky. Warm in the sun bit with a slight nippy breeze. Sun is enough to thaw any frost so can't see any reason for it to be called off. 

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Ron Burgundy

Looking forward to this. If we start the strongest team and also start with a good tempo and pressing game we shouldn't have too many problems.

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1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The main difference on promoted clubs is the quality of the players. 

 

There's another thread. But Leeds United are an ultra attacking team. Fulham and West Brom squads aren't good enough. 

Leeds style was always far more suited to a higher level. They had real difficulty with physical strength,  Cardiff and Millwall 

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Can't be worse than last week weather wise. QOS not as physical, expect a slightly better event.

 

3 1 to the men in Maroon 

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Another narrow win will do me. 

 

It would be nice to score a few but away games have often been awkward for us. 

 

A repeat of Ayr 0-1, three points and another huge stride out of this league would suffice.

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Ex member of the SaS

Hearts fans predicting 4-0 , 8-0 and even 24-0. I hope they are all wrong. Personally I want a 0-somthing score. Preferably more than 0-1 but will take that as long as the players look up for it.

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2 hours ago, indianajones said:

Used to not mind QotS. Hope they are knackered now though.

 

Dumfries is  still quite a nice area. 

Don't know how things are now but Dumfries itself used used to be as rough as a badgers wotsit

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