jr ewing Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, GinRummy said: I wonder if the Irving contract is to do with our less basic higher bonus wage scheme. Yep. Knew it would cause problems for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 With regards to Andy Irving, the nonsense being spouted on this thread is laughable. is Lewis Moult still signing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 26 minutes ago, buzzbomb said: Andy Irving has received one offer from the club which he rejected. There has been no second offer and no counter offer. That is it in a nutshell. So Robbie decided to do an interview and lie through his teeth about the contract negotiations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, GinRummy said: I wonder if the Irving contract is to do with our less basic higher bonus wage scheme. But isn't that the norm? It's us who were the outlier under Budge initially paying higher basic with not so many bonuses. Then she changed things to be more like everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Have bumped the Irving thread so this one can get back to discussing transfers 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: He is for the off I suspect. Demands are on the high side. Wonder who has tapped him up. If that turned out to be the case then I would understand. I would be gutted but if he knows he is getting more money elsewhere than we can offer than little you can do. If he goes I hope he goes abroad as I think he could do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: We're signing players to complement his style - both ahead of him up front and alongside him in midfield. He's got a pretty much zero-pressure arena in which to perfect his game for the next few months. He'd be mad to leave for money reasons. A Bologna-style move abroad though if one really is on the cards - fair play. I always admire young players who go down that route. Where I am. A move abroad would signify a look at Personal development a la Hickey rather than cash, though that (cash) may be also so much more than Hearts can offer. Edited February 1, 2021 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Gimme an H... said: If Hearts let Irving slip away for nothing it will be absolutely criminal. Best prospect we've had since CG. We would have a right to know what the decision making process was considering the £ we put in every month Calm yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: But isn't that the norm? It's us who were the outlier under Budge initially paying higher basic with not so many bonuses. Then she changed things to be more like everyone else? I’ve no idea. Was just trying to find reasons why the deal offered was allegedly not a good deal. Low basic high bonus, as a policy, seems sensible to me. Edited February 1, 2021 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Welcome to both signings, 4 in not bad.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: Reduced terms according to Dazajambo. Club has messed re a development fee, too. Heard it here first. Club has until end June to make an offer comparable to current contract to trigger dev fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme an H... Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, DS98 said: Calm yourself. Disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, basel04 said: For the love of god of course he didn’t get an offer ‘less’ than he is on currently. Deary me. Do you really think that would happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Stendelnator said: I love that anyone would believe we’d offer a contract on less money than his previous one, thereby immediately removing any possibility of compensation. Genuine idiocy if you buy that. This is why it's definitely horseshit. It doesn't even make sense from the "give him a token offer so we're entitled to compensation" angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, iainmac said: This is peak JKB. 😄 People praising JS / JJ / RN for bringing some much needed sanity to our recruitment. Someone posts gossip about Irving's contract negotiations: "The people dealing with contracts at the club need to go!". Its brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Surely time to take the Irving chat to the Irving thread. I am interested In the rumours as would love him to extend his deal but this thread is busy enough without all this on the same thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Tend to agree. Lack of pace and 100% reliance on left foot will hold him back. Hope I’m wrong and he proves it with us over next few seasons but I have my doubts. Charlie Adams [and others] have done alright with these limitations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Moore on loan to Arbroath the rest of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Certainly not to a 20 year old. They might do if they are offering him less money than he’s already on as it would be a 4 1/2 year deal on about £500 a week🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Back to transfers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, Tazio said: Now here’s a thing, I’ve got contract negotiations coming up at my work soon. Who will I tell the details to? No *****. Don't need to tell. I've heard your work will offer you new contract on substantially less than you currently get, while simultaneously offering you the same as you get just now before taking offer away and wanting you to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Club has until end June to make an offer comparable to current contract to trigger dev fee. I expect that had already been achieved. Without source. Or need for one Edited February 1, 2021 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Turkishcap said: Welcome to both signings, 4 in not bad.. Armand, Aaran, Germane and ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I think Irving is a good young player (not great yet) and certainly worth a new and improved deal based on his contribution to the team as a first team player. However, he is nowhere near the complete player and has flaws. Therefore, if his demands are (for whatever reason) not commensurate with his age and/or current/potential contribution, then he will move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, kila said: Moore on loan to Arbroath the rest of the season Good luck Lewis, you served a chance this season, but never got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, kila said: Moore on loan to Arbroath the rest of the season Good luck, deserves game time and wasn't getting it with us this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, CMc said: Armand, Aaran, Germane and ? GMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, kila said: Moore on loan to Arbroath the rest of the season That is a fantastic move for him. Very best of luck to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 So our backup right back will more than likely be a loan after the window...centre back? O'Donnell won't risk playing second fiddle with the Euro's coming up...he'll probably extend at Motherwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Irving next out, loan to Liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Club has until end June to make an offer comparable to current contract to trigger dev fee. Isn't this - if true - likely to be because of the change from higher basic and lower bonuses to lower basic and higher bonuses? In which case he'll have been offered a new deal reflecting the changed structure, which is understandable and very different from offering "reduced terms". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, CMc said: Armand, Aaran, Germane and ? Gms👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1874 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Annoying Moore hasn’t got a chance. Hopefully does well at Arbroath. They’ll be well organised and possibly rely on him for bit of magic. Maybe will do him well and he can come in for Frear/Roberts next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, john thomas said: Charlie Adams [and others] have done alright with these limitations Different era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, One five said: GMS Course. Seems like a lifetime ago. cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, R1874 said: Annoying Moore hasn’t got a chance. Hopefully does well at Arbroath. They’ll be well organised and possibly rely on him for bit of magic. Maybe will do him well and he can come in for Frear/Roberts next season hopefully will help to take points of our opponents. Should loan Wighton to Arbroath as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Hope Moore does well with Arbroath. Gave his all every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Russ1977 said: They might do if they are offering him less money than he’s already on as it would be a 4 1/2 year deal on about £500 a week🤣 You don’t really believe that’s the offer they have made him do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basel04 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Do you really think that would happen? That’s what im saying mate. Of course not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, kila said: Moore on loan to Arbroath the rest of the season I think we’ll just have to make do with loaning him out until the end of his contract as clearly no full time club is going to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Irving next out, loan to Liverpool 😀😀😀😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: You don’t really believe that’s the offer they have made him do you? I was taking the piss hence the laughing emoji. There is zero chance we offered him less then went back and offered him the same as he’s on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsuperslim1874 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, dazajmbo said: FWIW, I hope my source is incorrect in what they told me, I think Irving is the most technically gifted player I've seen in Scotland for years. Reminds me of a fitter, forward thinking Barry Ferguson. I would be absolutely livid if we lose him for nothing, not knocking anyone who has posted different to me, as they may be more ITK than my source. I'm hoping we sign him up on a long term deal with a wage he deserves. Imagine frear, Robert's, halliday, Naismith picking up close to double your wage while you are significantly better Boils my piss that they are using valuable wages 😤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 McEneff? Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, bobskeldon said: I think Irving is a good young player (not great yet) and certainly worth a new and improved deal based on his contribution to the team as a first team player. However, he is nowhere near the complete player and has flaws. Therefore, if his demands are (for whatever reason) not commensurate with his age and/or current/potential contribution, then he will move on. What's age got to do with it? football players don't operate on an incremental scale like civil servants. It's his talent and potential we're buying, and both are very high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Hope Moore does well with Arbroath. Gave his all every time. Must have been disappointing for him not being in the picture under RN, he will do well at Arbroath I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, ford donald said: Must have been disappointing for him not being in the picture under RN, he will do well at Arbroath I am sure. We'll soon have so many players loaned out that teams will struggle to field a side against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC01 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, kila said: Moore on loan to Arbroath the rest of the season I have to say I am disapointed he never got more gametime but his replacement if ready to go will be much higher quality. He'd have even less chance of getting a game. All the best to Moore from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: McEneff? Great He’s the next Paul Hartley don’t you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, CMc said: Course. Seems like a lifetime ago. cheers. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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