Whatsthefuture Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 When returning to training tomorrow, I would take all the team with JJ, Locke and ask a few simple questions. Do you have what it will take this year. The Heart, The fight and desire to repay the fans of our club. Hearts were the fall guys in an orchestrated situation and punish us they did. However this situation could only have happened due to were you the players left us. We need talent fight and desire on the park. Opposing teams will see us as a target. We have our position they have theirs. If you can’t or won’t be an 8 out of 10 players for HMFC this year. FIND A NEW CLUB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Good point. We need to ingrain a culture of what playing for Hearts means. Too many overpaid journeymen in the last 3 years. Posted on another thread that I'd like to see someone specifically employed to educate and maintain the standards of Hearts from the youth to the first team on an ongoing basis. Any player should be made more than aware of the achievements of the Foundation and that losing to Hibs is unacceptable. I know its pie in the sky but when we are restored to the Premier, our contracts should include a bottom 6 termination clause. We shouldn't be bottom 6 let alone any where near a relegation place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Gold Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I'm sure Robbie Neilson is more than capable to figure out who has what it takes to play for Hearts without the help of Gary Locke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Gilberts Fridge said: I know its pie in the sky but when we are restored to the Premier, our contracts should include a bottom 6 termination clause. We shouldn't be bottom 6 let alone any where near a relegation place. Ah a ‘God given right’ clause’ unfortunately life doesn’t work like that. how do you work out whose ‘fault’ we didn’t finish in the top 6 or do you just empty the whole squad and the coaching team. What about injured players. doubt you’d get anyone to sign with a clause like that Unless their pay was grossly inflated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 The part I totally agree with, is any player who doesn’t understand how ****ing angry the supporters are, and doesn’t want to make amends, needs to **** off sharpish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 It's a simple question with two one word answers. Q. Do you want to play for the Heart of Midlothian? A. yes, stay. A. No, goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Calder Jambo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, John Findlay said: It's a simple question with two one word answers. Q. Do you want to play for the Heart of Midlothian? A. yes, stay. A. No, goodbye. I get the feeling that there will be a few in the No category who will be happy to sit in the stand for the next 3 years getting paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundaydog Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 There is the possibility of Lee McCulloch joining Robbie so I think a combination of JJ and him should be enough to rocket a few players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mundaydog said: There is the possibility of Lee McCulloch joining Robbie so I think a combination of JJ and him should be enough to rocket a few players. Obviously, I'll be behind him if he joins, but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 There’s an element of man management involved in running a football team (I’ve never ran one but I run several teams in my business) gathering them all together and telling them this or that and ending it with find a new club isn’t what’s needed here. man management is needed and only Robbie Neilson can do that. Can he do it? We will soon find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatsthefuture Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, red said: There’s an element of man management involved in running a football team (I’ve never ran one but I run several teams in my business) gathering them all together and telling them this or that and ending it with find a new club isn’t what’s needed here. man management is needed and only Robbie Neilson can do that. Can he do it? We will soon find out In elite sport the difference between top sports persons is not just talent it is mentality. Look at Paterson possibly not the best or most talented however desire and will to win was his driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, red said: There’s an element of man management involved in running a football team (I’ve never ran one but I run several teams in my business) gathering them all together and telling them this or that and ending it with find a new club isn’t what’s needed here. man management is needed and only Robbie Neilson can do that. Can he do it? We will soon find out "Man management" means all things to all men. I'm not sure I agree with your middle paragraph. We're talking here of grown men who are relatively highly paid for what they do and I think it's reasonable for a new manager to know who is "with them" and who isn't. They all should start with a clean slate and that means everyone laying their cards on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Doubt we will see them running up and down Murder Hill this pre season.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Ari Gold said: I'm sure Robbie Neilson is more than capable to figure out who has what it takes to play for Hearts without the help of Gary Locke. This. Locke has a role, but thinking we need him to gee the players up is total nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 The question is who's going to be the fattest? I'll go with Mr Halkett. Now's the time for the players to live up to their billing as professional athletes and screw the nut and right what they did wrong last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Hesh said: Ah a ‘God given right’ clause’ unfortunately life doesn’t work like that. how do you work out whose ‘fault’ we didn’t finish in the top 6 or do you just empty the whole squad and the coaching team. What about injured players. doubt you’d get anyone to sign with a clause like that Unless their pay was grossly inflated. Is it any different to putting a relegation clause in their contracts. Just because it's there doesn't mean it must be used. No we don't have a God given right to be top six but our players should be under no illusions that it is the minimum standard we accept as a club . Might have helped in the last couple of seasons. Do you think bottom 6 is acceptable for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Gilberts Fridge said: Is it any different to putting a relegation clause in their contracts. Just because it's there doesn't mean it must be used. No we don't have a God given right to be top six but our players should be under no illusions that it is the minimum standard we accept as a club . Might have helped in the last couple of seasons. Do you think bottom 6 is acceptable for us. Typically it's better to put a carrot in front of people than a threat if you want to motivate them. We haven't been using the bonus system which, it seems, was a mistake. That seems to be changing going forward so players should be rewarded for success and their punishment for failure is not being paid so much (and obviously getting the boot if they perform really badly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Typically it's better to put a carrot in front of people than a threat if you want to motivate them. We haven't been using the bonus system which, it seems, was a mistake. That seems to be changing going forward so players should be rewarded for success and their punishment for failure is not being paid so much (and obviously getting the boot if they perform really badly). Agreed , lower the salary with good bonuses on a reducing scale for winning / Europe / cup win / top six . I did say the bottom six release clause was pie in the sky but I maintain anything other than top six is unacceptable for the size and resource of our club and the players should be under no illusions about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Going back to the thread title. I can't recall the club telling us the plan for training sessions. Like for example testing requirements if any, where to train to minimilse any Covid transmission and so on. Has any detail been given yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jumper said: Going back to the thread title. I can't recall the club telling us the plan for training sessions. Like for example testing requirements if any, where to train to minimilse any Covid transmission and so on. Has any detail been given yet? Well given all the Premier League clubs have gone through it I think its been pretty clear for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Then what happens when Damour turns round and says ‘nah, think I’ll just sit back and scoop my wages for the rest of my long term contract cheers’ Can’t force players out of the club unfortunately, it’s even harder to get rid of players when they are on larger contracts than their talents deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Robbie had the team doing double sessions last time he was in charge and some players hated it I hope he does this again and get rid of the dross that we still have here collecting good money for getting us in the position we are in now am sure there are a few in the squad that need every training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 First thing Robbie should be doing is to say to of the group, - If you don't want to be at Hearts this season and want to leave, hand in your transfer requests ASAP. The rest should be doing triple session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Shanks said: Then what happens when Damour turns round and says ‘nah, think I’ll just sit back and scoop my wages for the rest of my long term contract cheers’ Can’t force players out of the club unfortunately, it’s even harder to get rid of players when they are on larger contracts than their talents deserve. Give him a paint brush and tell him to start at the top left corner of the Gorgie stand, then follow the instructions for the forth rail bridge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Mid Calder Jambo said: I get the feeling that there will be a few in the No category who will be happy to sit in the stand for the next 3 years getting paid. There are very few players willing to do that. They may try for a month or two but very quickly realise that life without playing isn’t worth the money. In any case a partial contract pay-off from Hearts plus a wage elsewhere usually means they end up playing and earning more. I’d expect Robbie to make his mind up on everyone within a month or so then start moving players on. Already started with one or two on whom he is already decided. Heard he believes he May need to remove up to 10 and bring in 3/4. Over 30 in current squad which is way too many for a reduced season in championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Jumper said: Going back to the thread title. I can't recall the club telling us the plan for training sessions. Like for example testing requirements if any, where to train to minimilse any Covid transmission and so on. Has any detail been given yet? They will be keeping it quiet because they don’t want fans trying to come along to watch. Pre-season matches will be similar to avoid the risk of fans trying to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 51 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: Give him a paint brush and tell him to start at the top left corner of the Gorgie stand, then follow the instructions for the forth rail bridge! Feck that. Give him a trowel and some breeze blocks. We've got corners that need filling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: There are very few players willing to do that. They may try for a month or two but very quickly realise that life without playing isn’t worth the money. In any case a partial contract pay-off from Hearts plus a wage elsewhere usually means they end up playing and earning more. I’d expect Robbie to make his mind up on everyone within a month or so then start moving players on. Already started with one or two on whom he is already decided. Heard he believes he May need to remove up to 10 and bring in 3/4. Over 30 in current squad which is way too many for a reduced season in championship. Budgement day, the sequel? 😁 Edited August 2, 2020 by TypoonJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynehead Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Shanks said: Then what happens when Damour turns round and says ‘nah, think I’ll just sit back and scoop my wages for the rest of my long term contract cheers’ Can’t force players out of the club unfortunately, it’s even harder to get rid of players when they are on larger contracts than their talents deserve. You can make them run and run and then run some more. Oh need you to come back in afternoon for some more running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: They will be keeping it quiet because they don’t want fans trying to come along to watch. Pre-season matches will be similar to avoid the risk of fans trying to watch. That makes sense. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Beast them. We smashed the diddy league last time around because we were by some clear distance the fittest squad of players in the league. And that included Glasgow Zombies and Shitey Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Gilberts Fridge said: Good point. We need to ingrain a culture of what playing for Hearts means. Too many overpaid journeymen in the last 3 years. Posted on another thread that I'd like to see someone specifically employed to educate and maintain the standards of Hearts from the youth to the first team on an ongoing basis. Any player should be made more than aware of the achievements of the Foundation and that losing to Hibs is unacceptable. I know its pie in the sky but when we are restored to the Premier, our contracts should include a bottom 6 termination clause. We shouldn't be bottom 6 let alone any where near a relegation place. Interesting you say that about youths. There was disdain behind the scenes ,when Levein was there, about the lack of structure and ability to help with the transition of young players to first team. JJ has a good past record so hopefully that changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Smithee said: Obviously, I'll be behind him if he joins, but McCulloch is a born winner. Unlike the losers we’ve had at the club for the past few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: McCulloch is a born winner. Unlike the losers we’ve had at the club for the past few years. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: McCulloch is a born winner. Unlike the losers we’ve had at the club for the past few years. Agreed. Type of guy who you hate when he's against you but love when he's with you. Naismith is similar in that respect. We need to have a bit more dig in the team if we are to get anywhere. Too many nice guys in the team recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said: McCulloch is a born winner. Unlike the losers we’ve had at the club for the past few years. As I say, I'll be behind him if he joins. Hated him as a player though, dirty dirty *******. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, soonbe110 said: They will be keeping it quiet because they don’t want fans trying to come along to watch. Pre-season matches will be similar to avoid the risk of fans trying to watch. From here https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/robbie-ready-for-players-return You can read this "Note to supporters: Due to the current global pandemic, players and staff will not be able to come into contact with anyone from outside the club, and therefore cannot pose for photographs or sign autographs/merchandise. With strict Covid-19 regulations in place, fans are kindly asked to not to attend Oriam. We thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter." Actually, not aimed at you @soonbe110 as you've already pointed it out Edited August 2, 2020 by Boof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 hours ago, wattie exploited said: Robbie had the team doing double sessions last time he was in charge and some players hated it I hope he does this again and get rid of the dross that we still have here collecting good money for getting us in the position we are in now am sure there are a few in the squad that need every training Fully agree. The keen ones will lap it up. The passengers will loathe it. Pretty sure too that it was triple sessions at times. RN will already know that his first task is separating the men from the boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, Boof said: From here https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/robbie-ready-for-players-return You can read this "Note to supporters: Due to the current global pandemic, players and staff will not be able to come into contact with anyone from outside the club, and therefore cannot pose for photographs or sign autographs/merchandise. With strict Covid-19 regulations in place, fans are kindly asked to not to attend Oriam. We thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter." Actually, not aimed at you @soonbe110 as you've already pointed it out 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 hours ago, soonbe110 said: They will be keeping it quiet because they don’t want fans trying to come along to watch. Pre-season matches will be similar to avoid the risk of fans trying to watch. I do hope that they have some coverage of it and interviews with players through this pre-season. Just to give something about the football side. I know Motherwell were really good with doing that for their pre-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory78 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 12 hours ago, Whatsthefuture said: When returning to training tomorrow, I would take all the team with JJ, Locke and ask a few simple questions. Do you have what it will take this year. The Heart, The fight and desire to repay the fans of our club. Hearts were the fall guys in an orchestrated situation and punish us they did. However this situation could only have happened due to were you the players left us. We need talent fight and desire on the park. Opposing teams will see us as a target. We have our position they have theirs. If you can’t or won’t be an 8 out of 10 players for HMFC this year. FIND A NEW CLUB. I think most showed last season that they don't - i despair was watching Hamilton earlier and yea they got pumped but they gave it a go and tried to score ,under Levein we never left our half at Parkhead 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxondale Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Attitude of players wasn't really a problem last season - it was the the quality of play and actually looking like we had some sort game plan/identity, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 36 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: I do hope that they have some coverage of it and interviews with players through this pre-season. Just to give something about the football side. I know Motherwell were really good with doing that for their pre-season. Good point actually. Given the current state of play it would be good PR for the club to go the extra mile for the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 47 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Good point actually. Given the current state of play it would be good PR for the club to go the extra mile for the fans. Its an area which I feel the club is far behind others is its PR side. The media people work hard and do a lot, but I think the club needs to put more focus into it. Motherwell who have a much smaller budget have been very good at giving things for fans in videos and interviews. Its going to be a long two months for Hearts fans, yes we get small interviews or quotes in the evening news or other media but its not much, we are going to bombarded by Premiership football rubbing in what has happened, so having something to focus on Hearts during that time and getting the fans knowing whats happening and feel they are moving forward with the players would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Tynehead said: You can make them run and run and then run some more. Oh need you to come back in afternoon for some more running. If he ran 10 miles a day he could feck off home in only 50 days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the right mans at the helm in Neilson to get them motivated. He will see through anybody that’s not on board immediately. Him and Jeffries are a perfect match And exactly what we need. We all have our suspicions on certain players attitude so we will soon see. For me I hope the likes of Irving and Cochrane get plenty game time as they have exactly the attitude we require Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 To be fair to Hearts, I am pleased to see that they are posting things from today with videos and they say later there will be interviews. From everything posted so far people I have seen are: M. Smith Berra Hickey Haring Halkett Souttar Garuccio Morrison Clare Uche Irving and I think I saw Cochrane running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 13 hours ago, saxondale said: Attitude of players wasn't really a problem last season - it was the the quality of play and actually looking like we had some sort game plan/identity, imo. I think their attitude would've been different had they been on a lower base salary with win bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTS1874 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Hallket’s arse is bigger than Stevie Fulton’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: To be fair to Hearts, I am pleased to see that they are posting things from today with videos and they say later there will be interviews. From everything posted so far people I have seen are: M. Smith Berra Hickey Haring Halkett Souttar Garuccio Morrison Clare Uche Irving and I think I saw Cochrane running. That's desperate listing players you saw in videos "and I think I saw Cochrane running" is a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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