Jamhammer Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, Chong said: Tbf mate, theres no many as polished as them two. Aye but when we signed them I wasn’t overwhelmed or whelmed at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, john thomas said: There must be 2 Neil McCanns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I find it very telling about the psyche of our squad when you look at how they got themselves up for 2 games at ER and one against Rangers. Apart from pumping St Mirren those were the only league games we won last season. And we did fine in cup ties too. Weve too many players who I suspect aren’t here through a pressing desire to be here And the number of times they are actually turning up like a group of professionals has to increase rapidly. Needs a clear out we probably can’t afford, more likely a kick up the arse from the likes of Neilson, Jefferies and Locke and hope they react. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberhill jambo Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 hours ago, rudi must stay said: Damour has something and still has a future in my opinion. But he needs to improve his decision making Lazy Not fit and Shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: I find it very telling about the psyche of our squad when you look at how they got themselves up for 2 games at ER and one against Rangers. Apart from pumping St Mirren those were the only league games we won last season. And we did fine in cup ties too. Weve too many players who I suspect aren’t here through a pressing desire to be here And the number of times they are actually turning up like a group of professionals has to increase rapidly. Needs a clear out we probably can’t afford, more likely a kick up the arse from the likes of Neilson, Jefferies and Locke and hope they react. Spot on. Multi year contracts on a high basic wage. I pray we can get rid of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 6 hours ago, primrose said: Brought up in France was he not? Strasbourg apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 6 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Dodged a bullet - referees would card him every week in maroon Was thinking that even before I saw we were potentially offering an actual transfer fee. Looks an extremely limited absolute hatchet man from what I’ve seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad the impaler Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Jordan Jones told he can leave rangers,probably beyond us at the moment to get him on loan but exactly the type of pacey and creative player we need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 hours ago, JimmyCant said: I find it very telling about the psyche of our squad when you look at how they got themselves up for 2 games at ER and one against Rangers. Apart from pumping St Mirren those were the only league games we won last season. And we did fine in cup ties too. Weve too many players who I suspect aren’t here through a pressing desire to be here And the number of times they are actually turning up like a group of professionals has to increase rapidly. Needs a clear out we probably can’t afford, more likely a kick up the arse from the likes of Neilson, Jefferies and Locke and hope they react. I agree, but would also argue we were not outplayed that much. We seemed to be on the wrong side of the 50/50's every time and had a number of brain farts, particularly in goals. Ever game was like Played OK, mostly us on top even if just a little, then boom, 1-0down. The games I thought we got outplayed most were rc and Hamilton at home but we drew them. The game we were 3-0 down to killie and losing 2-3 summed us up imo. Ok in general play but toothless, bing bang boom, 3-0 down, ended up rallying a bit, got **** all in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: Strasbourg apparently. I've always wanted to visit there, I'm a big fan of Alsace wines and cuisine (in that order). I realise this is completely off topic, so can I just say FTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: I agree, but would also argue we were not outplayed that much. We seemed to be on the wrong side of the 50/50's every time and had a number of brain farts, particularly in goals. Ever game was like Played OK, mostly us on top even if just a little, then boom, 1-0down. The games I thought we got outplayed most were rc and Hamilton at home but we drew them. The game we were 3-0 down to killie and losing 2-3 summed us up imo. Ok in general play but toothless, bing bang boom, 3-0 down, ended up rallying a bit, got **** all in the end. We certainly were, and how many of those close defeats came down to basic mistakes by Pereira, which I assume you are alluding to when you mention brain farts in goals. I know Bobby has had his moments, but I can't help thinking that if we had him in goals instead of Pereira, we'd have done enough to be on the right side of the line when the league was called. Still nowhere near acceptable, and still meaning we needed to sign a much better goalie, but we could have avoided the ignominy of being demoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, RobNox said: We certainly were, and how many of those close defeats came down to basic mistakes by Pereira, which I assume you are alluding to when you mention brain farts in goals. I know Bobby has had his moments, but I can't help thinking that if we had him in goals instead of Pereira, we'd have done enough to be on the right side of the line when the league was called. Still nowhere near acceptable, and still meaning we needed to sign a much better goalie, but we could have avoided the ignominy of being demoted. Yeah, a good number, but even if it wasn't him it was Damour, Berra, Halkett, hickey to name a few. Every mistake seemed to lead to a goal it and it happened far too often. Frustrating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Yeah, a good number, but even if it wasn't him it was Damour, Berra, Halkett, hickey to name a few. Every mistake seemed to lead to a goal it and it happened far too often. Frustrating! Defenders etc make mistakes but I think there is a telling stat for number of attempts on goal that were actually converted into goals . If you know what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 This business of basic wage and bonuses intrigues me. Particularly for a club of our size and potential, I would argue that there should be strong bonus incentives for every game, whether it be against Celtic or Livingston. I just don't believe a guy on $8,000 per week would try as hard as one on $3,000 with a $5,000 win bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: This business of basic wage and bonuses intrigues me. Particularly for a club of our size and potential, I would argue that there should be strong bonus incentives for every game, whether it be against Celtic or Livingston. I just don't believe a guy on $8,000 per week would try as hard as one on $3,000 with a $5,000 win bonus. Trouble with that is say the league is won by January/February then you are paying $5k win bonuses to players to beat sides in potentially meaningless matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 hours ago, JackLadd said: Trouble with that is say the league is won by January/February then you are paying $5k win bonuses to players to beat sides in potentially meaningless matches. Surely it's still better than paying them £8k to get relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 If Washington and Uche are to leave, will we need to try and bring in one more attacker? Or Boyce Naismith Walker Henderson and Moore be enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, ceefax said: If Washington and Uche are to leave, will we need to try and bring in one more attacker? Or Boyce Naismith Walker Henderson and Moore be enough? I'd hope we would sign a backup striker if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborambo Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said: I'd hope we would sign a backup striker if that was the case. Still got Wighton have we not? Would Like us to go for Kane Hemings in Contract dispute with Dundee & can maybe walk for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: This business of basic wage and bonuses intrigues me. Particularly for a club of our size and potential, I would argue that there should be strong bonus incentives for every game, whether it be against Celtic or Livingston. I just don't believe a guy on $8,000 per week would try as hard as one on $3,000 with a $5,000 win bonus. Issue is if the basic wage is too low you would never get player to sign. The player would be thinking about injuries etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 7 hours ago, RobNox said: We certainly were, and how many of those close defeats came down to basic mistakes by Pereira, which I assume you are alluding to when you mention brain farts in goals. I know Bobby has had his moments, but I can't help thinking that if we had him in goals instead of Pereira, we'd have done enough to be on the right side of the line when the league was called. Still nowhere near acceptable, and still meaning we needed to sign a much better goalie, but we could have avoided the ignominy of being demoted. Absolutely this 👆...I actually think we would have been a handful of places higher up the league. The defenders aren’t blameless but, as much as I liked DS’s approach, this was a glaring mistake by him imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 39 minutes ago, jamborambo said: Still got Wighton have we not? Would Like us to go for Kane Hemings in Contract dispute with Dundee & can maybe walk for free. Would be a decent option as a third striker. Someone like that ideally, cheap but proven. No point spending big money on someone to mostly come off the bench - Naismith and Boyce are guaranteed starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Dale Cooper Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Would be a decent option as a third striker. Someone like that ideally, cheap but proven. No point spending big money on someone to mostly come off the bench - Naismith and Boyce are guaranteed starters. Weakens Dundee too. Win-win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 7 hours ago, johnthomas said: Defenders etc make mistakes but I think there is a telling stat for number of attempts on goal that were actually converted into goals . If you know what I mean Aye we certainly made plenty at the back as for that man u keeper, hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 8 hours ago, RobNox said: I've always wanted to visit there, I'm a big fan of Alsace wines and cuisine (in that order). I realise this is completely off topic, so can I just say FTH. Highly recommend it Rob the Alsace wine route is great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 I think he was digging his heels in but all the wage cuts have been confirmed. I would take Jones, Stewart, Docherty or Halliday. It doesn't make me feel great clamoring for Rangers cast offs, but they'd do a job. Not just this season but next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Celtic cheating already. Look at the size of their new keepers hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said: I think he was digging his heels in but all the wage cuts have been confirmed. I would take Jones, Stewart, Docherty or Halliday. It doesn't make me feel great clamoring for Rangers cast offs, but they'd do a job. Not just this season but next. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Would be a decent option as a third striker. Someone like that ideally, cheap but proven. No point spending big money on someone to mostly come off the bench - Naismith and Boyce are guaranteed starters. How many games will Naismith be fit for though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 7 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: This business of basic wage and bonuses intrigues me. Particularly for a club of our size and potential, I would argue that there should be strong bonus incentives for every game, whether it be against Celtic or Livingston. I just don't believe a guy on $8,000 per week would try as hard as one on $3,000 with a $5,000 win bonus. Wallace Mercer proved the point under his leadership,small basic wage big rolling bonus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WASTREL Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 16 hours ago, dazajmbo said: Nicholson had our contract just needed to sign it. Early suggestions indicated he would. I did my post in July before any arbitration or any news was actually made clear. Things change and evidently did change I understand Bristol Rovers upped their offer .. and we couldnt match it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: 100% Halliday? Stewart and Docherty look decent, and Jones can be hot and cold like a typical winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Celtic cheating already. Look at the size of their new keepers hands. You know what they say about people with big hands? Small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: How many games will Naismith be fit for though? I'm going to go for 80%. I reckon the break will have done him the world of good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Halliday? Stewart and Docherty look decent, and Jones can be hot and cold like a typical winger. Halliday is an absolute nugget. But he's got a Kevin Kyle type personality which would benefit the squad. And he's got a bite about him which we could do with. I'd like us to sign players where we know what we're getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 The break will have done Naismith, Haring and Souttar the world of good. Michael Smith as well, if he stays. Souttar if he stays as well I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 hours ago, RobNox said: I've always wanted to visit there, I'm a big fan of Alsace wines and cuisine (in that order). I realise this is completely off topic, so can I just say FTH. I will echo that comment Rob. 😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 51 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Celtic cheating already. Look at the size of their new keepers hands. I thought that was Kenny Everett for a minute with those hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 hours ago, johnthomas said: Defenders etc make mistakes but I think there is a telling stat for number of attempts on goal that were actually converted into goals . If you know what I mean Yip, we seemed to be punished by a goal for every mistake and our gk made sure of it 9/10. Gk can normally bail out some mistakes, ours compounded them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, ford donald said: Wallace Mercer proved the point under his leadership,small basic wage big rolling bonus! Before bosman so pretty irrelevant nowadays. If we offered that and hibs, Aberdeen, English sides etc offered a larger basic We'd lose out. Also, I think we need to be near the top of the top league for that to be attractive enough to tempt players. It's the way forward but needs to be introduced gradually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastlesmychurch Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Would love to get Jones from rangers. Don’t think it’s a far fetched thing. We sell him being part of the 3rd biggest club in Scotland. Its only one season in the championship (assuming our players can actually be arsed!) we have a semi final. We want to compete in all other cup competitions. And he’d be playing with at the very least 3 of his national teammates (if that makes a difference?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 I can see McCulloch being announced today. Not ITK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenks Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 13 hours ago, aberhill jambo said: Lazy Not fit and Shite Pretty sure no player is fit right now. Stupid comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry Potter said: Aye we certainly made plenty at the back as for that man u keeper, hopeless. Correct " el gasho" was the worst I've probably seen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDJ87 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Yeah, a good number, but even if it wasn't him it was Damour, Berra, Halkett, hickey to name a few. Every mistake seemed to lead to a goal it and it happened far too often. Frustrating! Even more frustrating, after JP was dropped, he'd come out at half time and spend the break doing keepy ups with the ball. Didn't give a **** about improving or trying to get back into the team. Just didn't care in the slightest, he won't go anywhere as a keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Hectormasson said: Correct " el gasho" was the worst I've probably seen ? Worse ive seen, by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDJ87 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Harry Potter said: Worse ive seen, by far. GK who was scared of the ball, embarrassment. Was he even scouted or was it "he's at Man Utd, he works with De Gea" Sign him up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 hours ago, johnthomas said: Defenders etc make mistakes but I think there is a telling stat for number of attempts on goal that were actually converted into goals . If you know what I mean Yeah. If you shot at our goal it went in more often than not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Keeper last season was a big reason we went down. Drop him before we did and we probably win a few more points. Stendel is to blame for sticking with him. By far the worst Hearts keeper I have seen and I include Ian Baird and Lee Wallace in that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav M Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 pretty sure JP would have been dropped from my primary school "beat the goalie" quicker than he was by us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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