SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

[Crete]

Doncaster gloating is pathetic people may loose their jobs through this and he is self congratulating himself like he is some kind of hero the man has no class.

[ictblahblahblah]

8 minutes ago, RobNox said:

 

You're probably one of the only outsiders who will see a decent Hearts away support this season.  ICT are firmly on the good guys list, and indeed the only Championship club on that list.  And we quite like your manager as well!

It would be appreciated but its a question for Hearts fans on another day, the fixture shouldnt even be happening and thus I wouldnt hold it against any Hearts fan for forgetting theres other football grounds in Scotland at all after today.

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Skiba said:

I don't think this is over.

 

Losing and no compensation, doesn't sit right.  Maybe Hearts statement will shine some light on it.

It has, its over.

[Fedupfan]

6 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

and continued the arbitration for submissions about expenses.”

 

is this about who pays the legal fees?

Absolutely and the best outcome we can get is to pay our own and the arbitration panel costs, we could of course be up to 50 % of the SPFL costs and the c3 costs also. Well worth it if you think put own legal team said it was unlikely we would win. 

 

Great leadership. 

[davemclaren]

8 minutes ago, David Black said:

You're going to upset some people.

Even though you are no longer an active Hearts supporter from this day forth it seems you will still be conversing with us. I get you’re angry but giving up is not the answer imo. 

[brunoatemyhamster]

26 minutes ago, Turkishcap said:

 

 

I will ask again whats the worst if we refuse to pay sfa fine?

We will get the the same punishment as Rangers for taking them to court. 

 

Oh wait a minute....... 

 

What sanctions did they get hit with again? 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by brunoatemyhamster

[Toxteth O'Grady]

11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Decent statement from Ann. The reference to Doncaster's gloating over his success particularly welcome. I hope I never see him.in the Directors box at Tynecastle again.

 

I would still like to see some acknowledgement some time of Ann's role in getting us to where we are. Maybe the long awaited report on the football department might provide that.

Totally agree - she can justifiably call out Doncaster and the SPFL for being unable to run a piss up in a brewery but she needs to look in a mirror and see if she can run a successful football club - she clearly can’t and it is time she left it to someone who can.

[Hairdryer]

20 minutes ago, weehammy said:

She’s made some crucial errors with regards to the playing side of things that shouldn’t be swept under the carpet.

But since our unfair expulsion was announced her conduct has been exemplary. She has indeed shown class and admirable fortitude in largely ignoring the extent of misogynistic bile that has come her way from other club representatives and some journalists and pundits. These people should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

I agree the biggest and most costly mistake was not sacking levein 

[Deevers]

Just now, Crete said:

Doncaster gloating is pathetic people may loose their jobs through this and he is self congratulating himself like he is some kind of hero the man has no class.

Quite frankly no one at the SPFL or the SFA has covered themselves in glory throughout all of this. If it’s shown one thing during this time, it’s shown that the whole structure needs dismantled. None of them are fit for purpose. How Doncaster is still in a job after the catalogue of failure he’s been involved in is a mystery.

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Totally agree - she can justifiably call out Doncaster and the SPFL for being unable to run a piss up in a brewery but she needs to look in a mirror and see if she can run a successful football club - she clearly can’t and it is time she left it to someone who can.

Have to agree, the war chat is crass too.

[colinmaroon]

Just a point, I see Rangers fans pouring out venom at the SPFL and most backing us, saying action needs to be taken and even having a go at their own board for being weakkneed.

 

How about them boycotting away games to force change in the SPFL Board, or are they all gas and no gaiters?

[Riccarton3]

2 minutes ago, Fedupfan said:

Absolutely and the best outcome we can get is to pay our own and the arbitration panel costs, we could of course be up to 50 % of the SPFL costs and the c3 costs also. Well worth it if you think put own legal team said it was unlikely we would win. 

 

Great leadership. 

What were the mitigating circumstances?

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Hairdryer said:

I agree the biggest and most costly mistake was not sacking levein 

If £8m is a correct figure then he’s cost us over £10m in total, and Budge would still love to have him at the club if she could. 

[Thomaso]

44 minutes ago, Crete said:

Good statement from Ann Budge  .we are lucky to have her at Hearts .

No we are lucky to have her MONEY and her benefactors MONEY at Hearts!

She is out her depth running the football side of things and deep down she will know that! As such I am confident she we ensure we have the necessary funds in place to get us back to the Premiership before she hands over control.

[greggy123]

4 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Totally agree - she can justifiably call out Doncaster and the SPFL for being unable to run a piss up in a brewery but she needs to look in a mirror and see if she can run a successful football club - she clearly can’t and it is time she left it to someone who can.

She can run a business no doubt about that, done a fabulous job on that side of things. She left the football up to a dinosaur who’s ideas don’t belong in the modern game. Her blind loyalty to that man below it on that side things. Then Stendel was another bad decision. Love Stendel but he didn’t know the first thing about Scottish football. If he was brought in at the start of the season it might have work out but I relegation dog fight was madness. We needed someone who knew league, even just for 6months. 

[smiler]

3 minutes ago, Crete said:

Doncaster gloating is pathetic people may loose their jobs through this and he is self congratulating himself like he is some kind of hero the man has no class.

The man is an idiot. I don't even know him, but I actually hate him. 

[Jambof3tornado]

5 minutes ago, colinmaroon said:

Just a point, I see Rangers fans pouring out venom at the SPFL and most backing us, saying action needs to be taken and even having a go at their own board for being weakkneed.

 

How about them boycotting away games to force change in the SPFL Board, or are they all gas and no gaiters?

They backed us in the hope the league would be declared null and void, they are not our friends.

[smiler]

1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said:

They backed us in the hope the league would be declared null and void, they are not our friends.

Yep. 

[Thomaso]

9 minutes ago, Hairdryer said:

I agree the biggest and most costly mistake was not sacking levein 

The full disaster of Levein is now there for all to see - and some on here would still welcome him back to Tynecastle!

[Lone Striker]

40 minutes ago, David Black said:

I'm with you. Suffered this for decades. The only way I'll be back is if we are in a breakaway league or by some miracle English football. 

..... which is never.   Everyone has to examine their conscience from time to time about all sorts of things - if that's your decision about Scottish football, then fair enough.   But if we all came to that decision,  Hearts would cease to exist.

 

 

[Sooperstar]

15 minutes ago, Deso1972 said:

You missed the point about the war, it’s a war that we will continue to fight until the spineless clubs grows pair and effect change. Every penny spent at home, every penny not spent at away grounds, or cup competitions is a little victory for us, Always Hearts!! The only way to beat them is to hurt them in the pocket - think of it as a fiscal war, one that will go on and on. One things for sure, we won’t forget the betrayal of 2020, it’s our duty to make sure our future generations of fans never forget or forgive!

You can spin it how you want, it doesn't change the fact that we lost the war. Any boycott will fade away after a few seasons at most. Even if we come straight back up there is no club we can effect as much of a loss on as the one that has been placed on us.

 

I'm glad we went to war, even with the outcome being what it is. We stood up for ourselves and as disappointing as it is to have lost at least we know we done what we could.

[Debut 4]

2 hours ago, Heartbeat said:

Every year when I went on holiday to warmer climates I would meet football minded people from other countries and would always tell them that Scotland was the most corrupt football nation in the world. The normsl reply was laughter and pointing out countries like Italy Spain etc etc. Then I would tell them we dodnt even try to hide it and that we blatantly bend the rules to accommodate two teams and would give examples. 

 

Usually they would be gobsmacked and dis believing but I genuinely do believe we never even bothered to hide it and the rollercoaster that's scottish football is all set up for two teams.

 

No exclusive there I hear you say 

But what you say needs said, even if it’s to let go of frustration. 👍🏻   My Dad is 86 and I grew up with “you needed to make sure you beat the old firm well”, in reference to refereeing standards.....and this was back in the days of the Terrible Trio.  
 

Some outsiders wouldn’t believe you if you told them how long the two uglies have had our game tied up. Not just them, their “associates” the SFA are right by their side. 

[smiler]

3 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

and some on here would still welcome him back to Tynecastle!

Not many now Shomato, is it not just Tosh The Hibby that's left in that camp? 

[Last Laff]

4 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

The full disaster of Levein is now there for all to see - and some on here would still welcome him back to Tynecastle!

Loads using the whole thing a smokescreen to simply just forget how much that ***** has fkd the football side of the club with the most funds given ever. 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

When you think of the biggest cover up in Scottish football history,  today's outcome barely touches the scale in comparison. 

 

The people running our game are living in a sewer beyond the lowest depths of human decency.

 

I don't say these words lightly,  our relegation is trivial to what has gone on. 

 

If they are capable of manipulating and managing criminality,  relegating a couple of clubs was never going to be an issue. 

 

I said a long time back in this saga, if Hearts getting relegated was the worst thing that happened to you in 2020 you would be lucky. 

 

And I still maintain that. 

 

Hearts will bounce back,  after all its football,  it's a game. 

 

People's lives however have been ruined by Scottish football and its blindness. 

 

Brushed under the carpet,  we can but pray that those responsible are swept out of power,  and face their victims in a day of reckoning. 

 

We will get promoted we will get our momentum, but there are those who will never get their lives back as they knew it 

[Thomaso]

1 minute ago, smiler said:

Not many now Shomato, is it not just Tosh The Hibby that's left in that camp? 

Still others who drum up the old “unlucky with injuries” excuse!

[colinmaroon]

22 minutes ago, ictblahblahblah said:

It would be appreciated but its a question for Hearts fans on another day, the fixture shouldnt even be happening and thus I wouldnt hold it against any Hearts fan for forgetting theres other football grounds in Scotland at all after today.

 

 

 

The SPFL will go out of their way to make it as awkward for Hearts fans to get to Inverness.

 

 

[smiler]

Just now, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Still others who drum up the old “unlucky with injuries” excuse!

Wazzocks 😉

[OBE]

2 hours ago, My half sister said:

what does that mean?

 

Cockroaches? Everyone that isn't Hearts.

[Jambo-Fox]

6 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

A pretty accurate summary of where Scottish Football is and you are  quite possibly correct in suggesting that it will not change.

 

Where I disagree with you though is that I see what you highlight as a means to spur me on to try and make the club I support and always will to be even stronger and challenge those at the top.

 

Hearts have a big fan base and can make that even bigger by sticking together and continuing to contribute via FOH and season tickets, buying club merchandise and using all the hospitality facilities as much as possible.

 

With the right management and the funding we have at our disposal we can challenge them despite their attempts to knock us back.

 

If you want to give up and help fund the likes of Sky Sports then that is your choice but it wont be mine as  I will be out there cheering on my team and not giving up.

Great sentiment and admired!

 

However the years take their toll!

 

I wrote to Bill Lindsay once, told him how he could rally all Hearts supporters and use that energy and finance to challenge corrupt authorities and the duopoly! Alas he never replied!

However I kept believing that Hearts would rise to be consistently at the top of Scottish Football! However decades of experience and recent events tells me that it’s unlikely that anything will ever change as long as the structural status quo prevails!

 

It’s sad ...

[N Lincs Jambo]

I see the old “join the English leagues” debate is coming up again. Whilst one one level it would be funny as **** if we did given how much the arse cheeks have hoored themselves to England over the decades, it would actually give them the blueprint on how to go about it and chances are they would find a way to get fast-tracked.

 

Nope the situation is shit but I have to say that if Hearts just told them all to ram it I would support that position.

 

Months ago I was desperate to see if I could get a ticket for the vermin semi. Now I couldn’t give a ****. I hope we pull out and cite the reason that the season has been called. Might as well give it to the hooped vermin with 2 games to go as they have the league with 8 to go

[Lone Striker]

17 minutes ago, Fedupfan said:

Absolutely and the best outcome we can get is to pay our own and the arbitration panel costs, we could of course be up to 50 % of the SPFL costs and the c3 costs also. Well worth it if you think put own legal team said it was unlikely we would win. 

 

Great leadership. 

Where did you hear this ? Or are you a clairvoyant specialising in hindsight ?   

 

Ponder for a moment on why we took it to the CoS  - a public court where every witness statement is out in the open, and the judge has to put his decisions in writing. A far cry from the SFA farce.   Our legal team knew we would be up against it in  an SFA Arbitration process, despite having a decent legal case - hence the reason they wanted it heard in the CoS.    The fact that the SFA/SPFL is a mafia-style closed shop is not Ann's fault

[JackLadd]

10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

If £8m is a correct figure then he’s cost us over £10m in total, and Budge would still love to have him at the club if she could. 

 

Levein and his backroom should have been cleaned out long before they were. Nobody here wanted Levein to remain after last season but she wouldn't listen and this is the result. Stendel was the right guy at the wrong time, it needed somebody with more experience so another fail by her to add to Levein and Cathro.  She actually needs to step aside from all executive decision making.

[Last Laff]

2 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Where did you hear this ? Or are you a clairvoyant specialising in hindsight ?   

 

Ponder for a moment on why we took it to the CoS  - a public court where every witness statement is out in the open, and the judge has to put his decisions in writing. A far cry from the SFA farce.   Our legal team knew we would be up against it in  an SFA Arbitration process, despite having a decent legal case - hence the reason they wanted it heard in the CoS.    The fact that the SFA/SPFL is a mafia-style closed shop is not Ann's fault

It says it in the statement.  We took it all the way because it was being completely funded and in that aspect it wasn’t even a gamble if the ****ers at least awarded some compensation.  Same time we’ve been lead down the garden path.  All this shit of burning the spfl to the ground and bankrupting other clubs while greetin when Doncaster says something?  AB mentions acting with class and dignity too - a lot of people on here have to remember what they both mean. 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Last Laff

[Guess The Crowd]

27 minutes ago, ictblahblahblah said:

It would be appreciated but its a question for Hearts fans on another day, the fixture shouldnt even be happening and thus I wouldnt hold it against any Hearts fan for forgetting theres other football grounds in Scotland at all after today.

 

 

Huge Hearts support at ICT hopefully.

 

PS If I remember correctly, would I be correct in assuming you’re not a huge fan of the Ross County chairman?!!!

[RobNox]

27 minutes ago, colinmaroon said:

 

Actually, forgiveness in the heart but still demanding repentance from those who have committed evil, paradoxically, is even better than "an eye for an eye."

 

The text is from Romans 12. where it says, "Beloved, never avenge yourselves but leave it to the Wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine,' says the LORD.' I will repay." And it goes on to say do not repay evil with evil but be gracious and, this is worth noting, "Because in so doing you will pour burning coals on their heads."

 

 

 

I get that first bit Colin, makes a lot of sense, but I have to admit I'm really taken by the idea of pouring burning coals on Doncaster's head.  Or would that make me some sort of Philistine?

[S Form]

21 minutes ago, colinmaroon said:

Just a point, I see Rangers fans pouring out venom at the SPFL and most backing us, saying action needs to be taken and even having a go at their own board for being weakkneed.

 

How about them boycotting away games to force change in the SPFL Board, or are they all gas and no gaiters?

That’s the SPFL pissed off both us and the currant buns - two of the country’s biggest clubs. Long term, especially if the mhanks continue to hoover up all the trophies, I can see factions emerging with us and the Rangers on one side and Celtic and their lickspittles on the other. That’s when Ann’s ‘war’ will really begin.

[Riccarton3]

2 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

It says it in the statement. 

In the arbitration process, yes?

[Fedupfan]

8 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Where did you hear this ? Or are you a clairvoyant specialising in hindsight ?   

 

Ponder for a moment on why we took it to the CoS  - a public court where every witness statement is out in the open, and the judge has to put his decisions in writing. A far cry from the SFA farce.   Our legal team knew we would be up against it in  an SFA Arbitration process, despite having a decent legal case - hence the reason they wanted it heard in the CoS.    The fact that the SFA/SPFL is a mafia-style closed shop is not Ann's fault

She said it in her statement bud. 

I agree there are others to blame for this shit fest, but we also have to look much closer to home also and probably much more. 

[martoon]

Ducking for cover as I post but when will the Championship fixtures be announced? 

[gashauskis9]

43 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

The players can **** right off. It’s their fault we’re in this mess. Heartless charlatans. Do you think they gave the fans who pay their wages a second thought when they weren’t trying a leg or getting bullied by teams like Hamilton, St Mirren and Ross County?

 

And before anyone starts I don’t give a shit who signed them or who was nasty to them or if they didn’t like what was for their pre match meal. They are professional football players and paid to do a job the vast majority of us would give their right bollock to do. The very minimum should be giving 100% effort at all times. 

So it begins.  
 

 

[TheBigO]

56 minutes ago, ictblahblahblah said:

Have to say as an outsider looking in I am surprised by how accepting many on this board appear to be, having followed the news and statements tonight I was anticipating thousands of posts calling for heads rather than 'at least we tried, get behind the team!' happyclapper stuff.  I couldn't imagine myself giving a toss about football in your shoes,  who knows when its even coming back as something to rally behind, you lads absolutely should be seething first right now, the whole arbitration shitshow was a carve-up from the outset.

 

If any of you do seeth irl or on here, dont for a second accept anyone telling you to calm down or move on, vent and dont stop venting.  Passion and principle are higher virtues than acceptance and cohesion at any cost, you should have the conviction and confidence to push your club all the way to CAS.

 

We're seething buddy, don't you worry. We want blood and a lot of it.

 

What you're seeing here is pride in our club for doing the right thing and acting with integrity, hence ah well we tried.

 

But don't for a second think we're not angry! Your stadium will be the only in the champ to see our money.

 

Doncaster and is cohorts, all those chairmen, they won't be off our list. And that's ever, this will run. And we'll be stronger for it too.

[maroonedinoz]

1 hour ago, Vlad Magic said:

This will make us stronger.

 

We will look back on this somewhere down the line. We will even laugh about the injustice of it. 
 

It has now happened and officially in the past.

That's the way I see it.

 

Understand the emotional statements and angst many are feeling at the the moment. but things will settle down once we get back to playing football again.

 

While disappointed with the outcome, I'm just glad its all over and we can now get back to concentrating on what happens on the pitch instead of in the courtroom.

[Riccarton3]

10 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

It says it in the statement.  We took it all the way because it was being completely funded and in that aspect it wasn’t even a gamble if the ****ers at least awarded some compensation.  Same time we’ve been lead down the garden path.  All this shit of burning the spfl to the ground and bankrupting other clubs while greetin when Doncaster says something?  AB mentions acting with class and dignity too - a lot of people on here have to remember what they both mean. 

Quaint. These qualities of which you speak, where are they anywhere in Scottish football?

[niblick1874]

3 hours ago, Zico's left foot said:

Haven't had time to read all of today's posts but do we have any idea what happened to the bit of corporate law that says shareholders can't vote for something that's financially detrimental to fellow shareholders? 

 

That only counts in the other reality. Our one is full of fun. Just ask anyone.

[Aaron78]

The frustrating thing is that Tynie would have been a cauldron next season and the anger of our fans would have driven the team on. We're going to lose that advantage as the chances of a full, bouncing Tynecastle are looking unlikely for a while. 

 

We should still have enough to win the championship but normally home advantage is very important to us, excluding recent form obviously. 

[Lone Striker]

14 minutes ago, Fedupfan said:

She said it in her statement bud. 

I agree there are others to blame for this shit fest, but we also have to look much closer to home also and probably much more. 

....she was referring to the Arbitration process.... not the attempt to have it heard at the  CoS.      Our petition was based on breaches of Company Law ........ but it seems to me that   the Arbitration panel accepted the mitigations put forward by the SPFL as a defence (which most people would expect to rank below the actual law of the land).   We'll never know , sadly.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Lone Striker

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Oh well, it is over to us to act in the next stage of the war. This means an active boycott of every ground we play at outside of Tynecastle, with the honourable exception of Inverness. The idea of clubs profiting from the maroon pound turns my stomach. Alloa, Ayr, Dundee, Raith and the rest of the two-faced vipers can GTF. I hope these clubs in particular are open for crowds when we go there because their hopes of some desperately needed cash will disappear as quick as vermin at Bozanic's goal last season. FT All.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

I will repeat incidentally. Mods - CHANGE THE FECKING THREAD TITLE. WE WERE EXPELLED, NOT RELEGATED.

[Homme]

4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Oh well, it is over to us to act in the next stage of the war. This means an active boycott of every ground we play at outside of Tynecastle, with the honourable exception of Inverness. The idea of clubs profiting from the maroon pound turns my stomach. Alloa, Ayr, Dundee, Raith and the rest of the two-faced vipers can GTF. I hope these clubs in particular are open for crowds when we go there because their hopes of some desperately needed cash will disappear as quick as vermin at Bozanic's goal last season. FT All.

 

This is the part we as fans can actually influence. Our hands have been tied for months. 

 

Hearts supporters willing to line the coffers of other clubs are not contributing to 'the war' effort as our club has put it.