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Steve_Jersey_HMFC
Posted
11 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said:

See when the judge comes back at 2pm...will we know his decision within a few minutes? Is it basically an aye or a naw, or will he spend time (be it half an hour or an hour) explaining his thinking before confirming his decision?


varies from judge to judge pal 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, jackal said:

Wonder how much Doncaster is sweating just now.

Currently phoning Prince Andrew for advice/tips. 

PhoenixHearts
Posted

Could someone with the dialling code please refresh our memory or remind us what page numebr it's on?

 

I hung up and went for lunch. Thanks.

Posted

IF we get reinstated and there is no promotion surely Utd, Raith and Cove would have to go to arbitration as they have defended themselves as clubs and its a footballing matter according to their QC.

Clark Griswold
Posted
Just now, scotty2442 said:

I believe we can go back to the courts if (when) arbitration fails though 

Which would add undue delay. 

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, scotty2442 said:

I believe we can go back to the courts if (when) arbitration fails though 

 

Reinstatement will be gone as an option though in all likelihood (unless we go for the interdict). 


Edit: 

 

So in effect we'll be asking a skint governing body to pay compensation that we all know they can't afford. Reinstatement by comparison is free (or just about)

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Neil Dongcaster
Posted
Just now, Sarah O said:

Arbitration is as good as a defeat is it not?
 

Will Hearts/PT really take it back to the courts?


I think they would. To coin a poker term we are pot committed now.

Posted
1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Moynihan asked.

 

Effectively to set case law / precedent how I took it.

 

To help clarify what SFA articles mean.

Agreed. It just seemed to me Thomson was pre-empting getting sent to a tribunal and being hamstrung on this. 

hughesie27
Posted
2 minutes ago, Space Pirate said:

2 QCs v 1 is surely an unfair advantage. 

😄

Clark Griswold
Posted
Just now, Neil Dongcaster said:


I think they would. To coin a poker term we are pot committed now.

Let’s hope the river is an ace. 

Hector Riva
Posted
5 minutes ago, tian447 said:

When it gets to 2pm, and we're checking https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/, what exactly are we looking for?   The home page is a series of (mostly out of date) text links.

It should say this GORGIE RULES!

Posted

If as looks likely it goes to arbitration does the judge have to power to stop fixtures being released till the case is heard ? 

Clark Griswold
Posted
Just now, ramrod said:

If as looks likely it goes to arbitration does the judge have to power to stop fixtures being released till the case is heard ? 

I’m sure we’d have to apply for an interdict 

Posted
2 minutes ago, PhoenixHearts said:

Could someone with the dialling code please refresh our memory or remind us what page numebr it's on?

 

I hung up and went for lunch. Thanks.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Space Pirate said:

2 QCs v 1 is surely an unfair advantage. 

Just like a normal fixture against the OF

alicante jambo
Posted
1 hour ago, Everybody Loves Baz! said:

I thought our QC has acquitted himself very well in the case. Borland not so much, but maybe that's me just disliking his tone.

As for which way the case goes, I haven't a clue - and neither does anyone else!

What I will say, we haven't lost the case due to our QC's performance.

'Mon the Judge'

Well said baz. Fingers crossed mate. Nervous as feck out here.

Trained One
Posted
16 minutes ago, Steve_Jersey_HMFC said:

So is it same dial in as before for the oral decision

 

by the way, people should not read too much either way into the speed. Judges will often have formed a preliminary view based on the papers and skeleton arguments, and oral submissions are there more than anything to help judges fill in the gaps and ask questions of counsel 

 

Cheers Steven, great to have a legal perspective from a subject matter expert. 

Posted

Can we appeal the judges decision to the Inner House of the CoS and for 3 judges to deliberate? 

Bring Back Paulo Sergio
Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, PhoenixHearts said:

Could someone with the dialling code please refresh our memory or remind us what page numebr it's on?

 

I hung up and went for lunch. Thanks.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, gnasher75 said:

 

But unless settling means reinstatement for Hearts I hope we tell them to bolt.

 

And unless they impose reconstruction, United, Raith and Cove will have every right to bring their own case against the SPFL.

 

Correct. If it's going to court, they'll fold and force through reconstruction imo

Posted
6 minutes ago, tian447 said:

 

Ah, I was under the impression there would be some sort of Live announcement.  Did wonder about that, thanks! :thumbsup:

There will be a ruling at 2.00 but the full written ruling will follow. 

Posted
Just now, Clark Griswold said:

I’m sure we’d have to apply for an interdict 

Any idea if it's likely to be granted assuming we did ?

GorgieRules22
Posted

I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ?

Posted

If this goes our way, will we be asking for the fixtures that are due out on Monday to to be held back? 

Gorgie_Rules
Posted

Is it assumed that if it goes to arbitration we are defeated? Or is there not a chance it could still be ruled in our favour?

Posted
4 minutes ago, Sarah O said:

Arbitration is as good as a defeat is it not?
 

Will Hearts/PT really take it back to the courts?

 

If its sisted for arbitration then it's still in the court system.

 

Though it would be expected to be dismissed after arbitration is completed. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, tian447 said:

When it gets to 2pm, and we're checking https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/, what exactly are we looking for?   The home page is a series of (mostly out of date) text links.

Click on COS - then from menu "search judgments"

You will get a list of recent judgments some made today 

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loveofthegame
Posted
Just now, GorgieRules22 said:

I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ?

 

Yes. I'd politely suggest that no-one on here really has a clue!

Footballfirst
Posted
9 minutes ago, gashauskis9 said:

Are you thinking it will be arbitration FF?

Yes, on my assessment of the balance of arguments.

AlimOzturk
Posted
Just now, GorgieRules22 said:

I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ?

 

Think so. Nobody knows what the judge is thinking. Especially considering we aren't that use winning in recent times !

Posted
Just now, GorgieRules22 said:

I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ?

I think so, At 1pm I was fairly certain it was going our way, and now the closer it is getting to 2pm I am certain its going the other way. This is what supporting Hearts does to you. Wouldn't change it for anything else though. 

Neil Dongcaster
Posted

I don’t think the court will care too much about the fixture list. If we are reinstated then they will just need to redo them. If I’m wrong m’lud then well **** it I took a shot.

PhoenixHearts
Posted
2 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

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Cheers NJ

AlphonseCapone
Posted
1 minute ago, GorgieRules22 said:

I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ?

 

Aye they pretty much making that up. No one knows. 

Posted

This is like watching “High Noon”.

Allowayjambo1874
Posted
10 minutes ago, jayjay said:

If given go ahead to court. It won’t go ahead. The SPFLs arse will fall out and it’ll be an out of court settlement, Be it reconstruction pushed through or compensation 

Correct and ND will be gone 

Everybody Loves Baz!
Posted
1 minute ago, alicante jambo said:

Well said baz. Fingers crossed mate. Nervous as feck out here.

We'll be fine Mick.

If anything, this shitehouse of a situation has more than just galvanised our support mate.

If it has to go to arbitration and not the CoS, and we lose, I still think we will appeal back to the Courts.....Or I hope they do.

 

Hope you're well mate and staying safe.

Jamboelite
Posted
6 minutes ago, Sarah O said:

Arbitration is as good as a defeat is it not?
 

Will Hearts/PT really take it back to the courts?

Not really we pick a judge, they pick a judge and the third one is decided between.

 

If we disagree with the decision we can nring it back to court.

Steve_Jersey_HMFC
Posted
3 minutes ago, Trained One said:

 

Cheers Steven, great to have a legal perspective from a subject matter expert. 


no worries mate, hopefully not too long before we’re sinking a few pints in the west end and back at Tynie, whatever division it is we are in 👍 

Posted
On 02/07/2020 at 10:50, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


COVID doesn’t influence the legal argument, does it? Businesses aren’t obliged to make any changes to account for it. They’re just incredibly stupid if they 

 

Castle rock
Posted

How do we think its going to go? 

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, Allowayjambo1874 said:

Correct and ND will be gone 

 Not just him - the whole Board has to go - every last one of them  - all of them up to their necks in this.

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upgotheheads
Posted

Could somebody post the access code again?

Posted
1 minute ago, Gorgie_Rules said:

Is it assumed that if it goes to arbitration we are defeated? Or is there not a chance it could still be ruled in our favour?

The Judge will have already formed an opinion on this from our petition and the defenses answers to that. This hearing was for the Judges benefit and to clarify certain things. We simply don't know until he has told us. 

hughesie27
Posted
Just now, Castle rock said:

How do we think its going to go? 

Read the last few pages and find out.

Posted

Squeaky bum time for everyone. Hopefully we get a judgement that is just and fair. Cmon the Hearts. 

Independence
Posted
2 minutes ago, karipidis said:

I think so, At 1pm I was fairly certain it was going our way, and now the closer it is getting to 2pm I am certain its going the other way. This is what supporting Hearts does to you. Wouldn't change it for anything else though. 

I was at that Kilmarnock and Dundee game ...I know what you mean!!! 

Castle rock
Posted
Just now, hughesie27 said:

Read the last few pages and find out.

Thanks for that

hughesie27
Posted
Just now, upgotheheads said:

Could somebody post the access code again?

It was posted 6 minutes ago.

Dusk_Till_Dawn
Posted
Just now, Deevers said:

 It just him - the whole Board has to go - every last one of them  - all of them up to their necks in this.


If they win they’ll all stick it out. And some of them will try if they don’t. You watch.

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