Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said: See when the judge comes back at 2pm...will we know his decision within a few minutes? Is it basically an aye or a naw, or will he spend time (be it half an hour or an hour) explaining his thinking before confirming his decision? varies from judge to judge pal Quote
NANOJAMBO Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, jackal said: Wonder how much Doncaster is sweating just now. Currently phoning Prince Andrew for advice/tips. Quote
PhoenixHearts Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Could someone with the dialling code please refresh our memory or remind us what page numebr it's on? I hung up and went for lunch. Thanks. Quote
jackal Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 IF we get reinstated and there is no promotion surely Utd, Raith and Cove would have to go to arbitration as they have defended themselves as clubs and its a footballing matter according to their QC. Quote
Clark Griswold Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, scotty2442 said: I believe we can go back to the courts if (when) arbitration fails though Which would add undue delay. Quote
OTT Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, scotty2442 said: I believe we can go back to the courts if (when) arbitration fails though Reinstatement will be gone as an option though in all likelihood (unless we go for the interdict). Edit: So in effect we'll be asking a skint governing body to pay compensation that we all know they can't afford. Reinstatement by comparison is free (or just about) Edited July 3, 2020 by OTT Quote
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Sarah O said: Arbitration is as good as a defeat is it not? Will Hearts/PT really take it back to the courts? I think they would. To coin a poker term we are pot committed now. Quote
NANOJAMBO Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Moynihan asked. Effectively to set case law / precedent how I took it. To help clarify what SFA articles mean. Agreed. It just seemed to me Thomson was pre-empting getting sent to a tribunal and being hamstrung on this. Quote
hughesie27 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Space Pirate said: 2 QCs v 1 is surely an unfair advantage. 😄 Quote
Clark Griswold Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Neil Dongcaster said: I think they would. To coin a poker term we are pot committed now. Let’s hope the river is an ace. Quote
Hector Riva Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, tian447 said: When it gets to 2pm, and we're checking https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/, what exactly are we looking for? The home page is a series of (mostly out of date) text links. It should say this GORGIE RULES! Quote
ramrod Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 If as looks likely it goes to arbitration does the judge have to power to stop fixtures being released till the case is heard ? Quote
Clark Griswold Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, ramrod said: If as looks likely it goes to arbitration does the judge have to power to stop fixtures being released till the case is heard ? I’m sure we’d have to apply for an interdict Quote
NANOJAMBO Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, PhoenixHearts said: Could someone with the dialling code please refresh our memory or remind us what page numebr it's on? I hung up and went for lunch. Thanks. 137 639 2631 # Quote
jackal Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Space Pirate said: 2 QCs v 1 is surely an unfair advantage. Just like a normal fixture against the OF Quote
alicante jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Everybody Loves Baz! said: I thought our QC has acquitted himself very well in the case. Borland not so much, but maybe that's me just disliking his tone. As for which way the case goes, I haven't a clue - and neither does anyone else! What I will say, we haven't lost the case due to our QC's performance. 'Mon the Judge' Well said baz. Fingers crossed mate. Nervous as feck out here. Quote
Trained One Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Steve_Jersey_HMFC said: So is it same dial in as before for the oral decision by the way, people should not read too much either way into the speed. Judges will often have formed a preliminary view based on the papers and skeleton arguments, and oral submissions are there more than anything to help judges fill in the gaps and ask questions of counsel Cheers Steven, great to have a legal perspective from a subject matter expert. Quote
Cruyff Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Can we appeal the judges decision to the Inner House of the CoS and for 3 judges to deliberate? Quote
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PhoenixHearts said: Could someone with the dialling code please refresh our memory or remind us what page numebr it's on? I hung up and went for lunch. Thanks. +44 20 7660 8149 1376392631 Edited July 3, 2020 by Bring Back Paulo Sergio Quote
cb1874 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, gnasher75 said: But unless settling means reinstatement for Hearts I hope we tell them to bolt. And unless they impose reconstruction, United, Raith and Cove will have every right to bring their own case against the SPFL. Correct. If it's going to court, they'll fold and force through reconstruction imo Quote
NANOJAMBO Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, tian447 said: Ah, I was under the impression there would be some sort of Live announcement. Did wonder about that, thanks! There will be a ruling at 2.00 but the full written ruling will follow. Quote
ramrod Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Clark Griswold said: I’m sure we’d have to apply for an interdict Any idea if it's likely to be granted assuming we did ? Quote
GorgieRules22 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ? Quote
swavkav Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 If this goes our way, will we be asking for the fixtures that are due out on Monday to to be held back? Quote
Gorgie_Rules Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Is it assumed that if it goes to arbitration we are defeated? Or is there not a chance it could still be ruled in our favour? Quote
Mikey1874 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Arbitration is as good as a defeat is it not? Will Hearts/PT really take it back to the courts? If its sisted for arbitration then it's still in the court system. Though it would be expected to be dismissed after arbitration is completed. Quote
merrymac Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, tian447 said: When it gets to 2pm, and we're checking https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/, what exactly are we looking for? The home page is a series of (mostly out of date) text links. Click on COS - then from menu "search judgments" You will get a list of recent judgments some made today 👍 Quote
loveofthegame Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, GorgieRules22 said: I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ? Yes. I'd politely suggest that no-one on here really has a clue! Quote
Footballfirst Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, gashauskis9 said: Are you thinking it will be arbitration FF? Yes, on my assessment of the balance of arguments. Quote
AlimOzturk Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, GorgieRules22 said: I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ? Think so. Nobody knows what the judge is thinking. Especially considering we aren't that use winning in recent times ! Quote
karipidis Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, GorgieRules22 said: I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ? I think so, At 1pm I was fairly certain it was going our way, and now the closer it is getting to 2pm I am certain its going the other way. This is what supporting Hearts does to you. Wouldn't change it for anything else though. Quote
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 I don’t think the court will care too much about the fixture list. If we are reinstated then they will just need to redo them. If I’m wrong m’lud then well **** it I took a shot. Quote
PhoenixHearts Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: 137 639 2631 # Cheers NJ Quote
AlphonseCapone Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, GorgieRules22 said: I take it most people are just saying arbitration looks most likely through nerves ? Aye they pretty much making that up. No one knows. Quote
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, jayjay said: If given go ahead to court. It won’t go ahead. The SPFLs arse will fall out and it’ll be an out of court settlement, Be it reconstruction pushed through or compensation Correct and ND will be gone Quote
Everybody Loves Baz! Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, alicante jambo said: Well said baz. Fingers crossed mate. Nervous as feck out here. We'll be fine Mick. If anything, this shitehouse of a situation has more than just galvanised our support mate. If it has to go to arbitration and not the CoS, and we lose, I still think we will appeal back to the Courts.....Or I hope they do. Hope you're well mate and staying safe. Quote
Jamboelite Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Arbitration is as good as a defeat is it not? Will Hearts/PT really take it back to the courts? Not really we pick a judge, they pick a judge and the third one is decided between. If we disagree with the decision we can nring it back to court. Quote
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Trained One said: Cheers Steven, great to have a legal perspective from a subject matter expert. no worries mate, hopefully not too long before we’re sinking a few pints in the west end and back at Tynie, whatever division it is we are in 👍 Quote
5-1Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 On 02/07/2020 at 10:50, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: COVID doesn’t influence the legal argument, does it? Businesses aren’t obliged to make any changes to account for it. They’re just incredibly stupid if they Quote
Deevers Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Allowayjambo1874 said: Correct and ND will be gone Not just him - the whole Board has to go - every last one of them - all of them up to their necks in this. Edited July 3, 2020 by Deevers Quote
upgotheheads Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Could somebody post the access code again? Quote
Cruyff Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Gorgie_Rules said: Is it assumed that if it goes to arbitration we are defeated? Or is there not a chance it could still be ruled in our favour? The Judge will have already formed an opinion on this from our petition and the defenses answers to that. This hearing was for the Judges benefit and to clarify certain things. We simply don't know until he has told us. Quote
hughesie27 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Castle rock said: How do we think its going to go? Read the last few pages and find out. Quote
5-1Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Squeaky bum time for everyone. Hopefully we get a judgement that is just and fair. Cmon the Hearts. Quote
Independence Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, karipidis said: I think so, At 1pm I was fairly certain it was going our way, and now the closer it is getting to 2pm I am certain its going the other way. This is what supporting Hearts does to you. Wouldn't change it for anything else though. I was at that Kilmarnock and Dundee game ...I know what you mean!!! Quote
Castle rock Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, hughesie27 said: Read the last few pages and find out. Thanks for that Quote
hughesie27 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, upgotheheads said: Could somebody post the access code again? It was posted 6 minutes ago. Quote
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Deevers said: It just him - the whole Board has to go - every last one of them - all of them up to their necks in this. If they win they’ll all stick it out. And some of them will try if they don’t. You watch. Quote
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