merrymac Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, graygo said: We can joke about it but as is normal with a resolution did they just announce that only 16 clubs voted in favour so the proposal has failed or did they actually say 26 were against it? Nope no official numbers or names given.(apart from 16) no percentages in each section etc etc Maybe they just drew the names out of a hat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seaside jambo said: Yeh I know , but I don’t think anyone knows how this will go for sure , so was only asking cheers Money is the consolation prize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory78 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Section Q said: From the Beeb Hearts and Partick Thistle are claiming £10m from the SPFL should the courts rule not to overturn their relegations. The pair lodged a petition with the Court of Session on Wednesday, with Hearts claiming £8m and Thistle £2m. In a joint statement, they say they "have no wish to disrupt" Scottish football, but "reserve the right" to try to delay the Premiership season. The pair had their demotions confirmed on Monday when clubs failed to support league reconstruction. It followed a vote to curtail the term, with Hearts bottom of the Premiership and Thistle last in the Championship. We'll be back in our rightful leagues tomorrow if Doncaster's seen this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I predict the league will now shit theirselves and agree to reconstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: And when UEFA ask "Why didn't you plan to restart like almost every other top flight league?" Lawell's reply would be interesting Exactly. Especially when games in England are getting played right in the middle of the court case. We have them severely by the short and curlies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 So Donald Findlay going on public radio on Monday after the indicative vote saying he thought he was voting on 14-14-14 is part of the charade? Could it be the SPFL board were calling Hearts on the threat of legal action, and subsequently shat a brick as we pressed on with proceedings showing this was no bluff? So now they have to show that there was all this 'confusion' and 'multiple votes over various reconstruction proposals' that it turns out there is enough to call an EGM! The Dunfermline vote will have got muddled with their vote on 14-14-14. Or the 14-14-14/16 one. Oh wait it's still in the spam folder. I reckon the next 7 days will see an EGM called and reconstruction voted through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodanny Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, merrymac said: Nope no official numbers or names given.(apart from 16) no percentages in each section etc etc Maybe they just drew the names out of a hat? So that could be 16 for, 14 against, and 12 abstained. Wouldn't put it past them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatonjambo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, Siphiwe Tshabalala said: Don’t know why, but I think there has been something going on that we don’t know about. Without stating the obvious! I honestly believe moves are afoot to kick the current SPFL board into touch and rid cel;tic of the power base./ Les Grey is this inside man! stranger things happen in a nest of vipers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, rory78 said: We'll be back in our rightful leagues tomorrow if Doncaster's seen this He / they will fight this. They knew what was coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneneilberry Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Did I read somewhere that for a resolution you need to vote yes so if you don’t vote it’s counted as a no (it was in relation to the Dundee shambles possibly the piece with David Winnie saying company law doesn’t place any obligation on members to cast a negative vote) could it be the possible enough teams had already voted no so ND just told other teams that the resolution didn’t pass and their vote wasn’t needed(has previous for this)which would make these votes a no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Ramsay Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Late to the party but looks like a very clever move from Hearts (and Partick). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will-i-am-a-jambo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: What's that a list of Yes/ no? Definitely a no list l would say. Think Hibs being in there is the giveaway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphiwe Tshabalala Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, heatonjambo said: I honestly believe moves are afoot to kick the current SPFL board into touch and rid cel;tic of the power base./ Les Grey is this inside man! stranger things happen in a nest of vipers Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 We should have begun legal action day 1 after the resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, whodanny said: So that could be 16 for, 14 against, and 12 abstained. Wouldn't put it past them. quite possibly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrinkly Ninja Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, Cruyff said: We should have begun legal action day 1 after the resolution. Not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Oneneilberry said: Did I read somewhere that for a resolution you need to vote yes so if you don’t vote it’s counted as a no (it was in relation to the Dundee shambles possibly the piece with David Winnie saying company law doesn’t place any obligation on members to cast a negative vote) could it be the possible enough teams had already voted no so ND just told other teams that the resolution didn’t pass and their vote wasn’t needed(has previous for this)which would make these votes a no Just going to tag @Footballfirst to this post in case he misses it as it would be interesting to know how much hot water Doncaster could find himself in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 So now we know that the SPFL have the power to force reconstruction, surely this would be the most sensible thing to do now. 13-10-10-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything2 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, kila said: So Donald Findlay going on public radio on Monday after the indicative vote saying he thought he was voting on 14-14-14 is part of the charade? Could it be the SPFL board were calling Hearts on the threat of legal action, and subsequently shat a brick as we pressed on with proceedings showing this was no bluff? So now they have to show that there was all this 'confusion' and 'multiple votes over various reconstruction proposals' that it turns out there is enough to call an EGM! The Dunfermline vote will have got muddled with their vote on 14-14-14. Or the 14-14-14/16 one. Oh wait it's still in the spam folder. I reckon the next 7 days will see an EGM called and reconstruction voted through. I didn't hear him say 14, 14, 14 but could have missed it. I think he said that too many teams would be relegated with reconstruction which was the argument against 14, 14, 14 as a temporary recon would result in 6 championship clubs being relegated at the end of the temporary period and for some reason the 4 teams remaining in L1 seemed to think that was tantamount to a relegation as it was be default the bottom league in a 14, 14, 14 system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Musemic said: Is it not the case that our season tickets are a guarantee for 18 home games, no matter when they get played? So if Hearts end up only playing 14 games who picks up the tab for that ? The club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I do worry that we are all in an echo chamber on this thread and so far throughout it all none of it has played in our favour or to our belief of how it will go and i fear this is no different. There will be no u turn on reconstruction unless the court decides it. I dont think the SPFL have been twiddling their thumbs the last 2 months and will have been reviewing every last detail of what they did and looking at their articles of association to see if there are any gaps. If they do nothing in the next 7 days then for me that will show they believe their case is solid. i’ll say it again they know how to defend the indefensible and seem to dodge bullets for fun so i hope this time they have overstretched it. Time will tell but im cautious to get too optimistic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatonjambo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, 22games nro said: I fancy a wee friendly with Amiens when all this COVID stuff is finished Description Amiens is a city in northern France, divided by the Somme river. It’s known for the Gothic Amiens Cathedral and nearby medieval belfry. Shops and cafes line the Quartier St.-Leu’s narrow streets. Floating market gardens (“hortillonnages”) dot the city’s canals. It’s a lovely little place./ also the closest town to Contelmaison, so could be a good all round trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: We should have begun legal action day 1 after the resolution. I think we should follow the advice of the QC who is after all a professional in legal matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1-0 to the JT & Harry Wragg select. Let's see how the vipers respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qferryjam Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, graygo said: The chairman of the lowland league said as much on Sportsound a couple of weeks ago. Just another example of the complete lack of any care taken , when they have made decisions , no doubt relying on the fact that the smaller teams can do little more than complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: He / they will fight this. They knew what was coming. So did Hearts. Looks like it's been being prepared for weeks. When was the vote, Monday? Even now Board members are talking fast and loose. All there in the public domain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cruyff said: We should have begun legal action day 1 after the resolution. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said: That must be one of the best and most insightful articles that I have read for a very long time by Scottish football journalist. He really seems to understand exactly what has happened to the three clubs and sees right through the people who voted against reconstruction. I completely agree. I know there are some on here who can't get past the criticisms he made of us during the farcical period of the Vlad regime, but he is one of the very few that speaks his mind, even daring to criticise The Rangers when most others were too afraid to do so in case they ended up being 'Jim Spenced' out of their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anything2 said: I didn't hear him say 14, 14, 14 but could have missed it. I think he said that too many teams would be relegated with reconstruction which was the argument against 14, 14, 14 as a temporary recon would result in 6 championship clubs being relegated at the end of the temporary period and for some reason the 4 teams remaining in L1 seemed to think that was tantamount to a relegation as it was be default the bottom league in a 14, 14, 14 system. I know we discussed this earlier but Cowdenbeath were in favour of all the 14s at one point. Im now convinced Findlay was confusing the narrative on purpose. He is against Brora and Kelty coming in next season in a bottom tier of 10. That is a significant threat to Cowdenbeath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will-i-am-a-jambo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, husref musemic said: something not adding up again! surely they wouldn't ala Dundee disappearing vote.... Dundee must be a Bermuda Triangle for emails! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cruyff said: We should have begun legal action day 1 after the resolution. Nope disagree by doing it when we have we have strengthened our case by showing we did all we could. It was more than likely our lawyers dictating the pace of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Why would the home teams allow beamback, knowing the vast Hearts fans are boycotting? In the championship BBC Scotland shows the games for free, usually on a Friday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Koolkeith said: So now we know that the SPFL have the power to force reconstruction, surely this would be the most sensible thing to do now. 13-10-10-9. It may just come down to getting beat by the wummin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiIsGod Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 This is only going to go one way and it's not the way of the SPFL. I think they'll try an out of court settlement as damage limitation but **** them. They made their bed. See you in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, stuart500 said: Good start from Hearts. Donkey is an arrogant ***** though so I don't expect him to capitulate straight away. Probably a lot more pavement dancing to be done and the Donkey will be looking for a face saver Donkey has nothing to do with any of this other than to be a distraction. Stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5tubo1 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I seem to remember a poster, end of last week, predicting that when the papers were served that he reckoned that a few days after, EGM would be called and spfl would push through reconstruction..... 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Cruyff said: We should have begun legal action day 1 after the resolution. Who is to say we did not... but it takes time to structure the legal case and bring it to court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, niblick1874 said: Donkey has nothing to do with any of this other than to be a distraction. Stop it. Ah we will see about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: I do worry that we are all in an echo chamber on this thread and so far throughout it all none of it has played in our favour or to our belief of how it will go and i fear this is no different. There will be no u turn on reconstruction unless the court decides it. I dont think the SPFL have been twiddling their thumbs the last 2 months and will have been reviewing every last detail of what they did and looking at their articles of association to see if there are any gaps. If they do nothing in the next 7 days then for me that will show they believe their case is solid. i’ll say it again they know how to defend the indefensible and seem to dodge bullets for fun so i hope this time they have overstretched it. Time will tell but im cautious to get too optimistic here. Everything they've done is legally correct - they followed their QCs advice to the letter. The only difficulties might be - the role (or not) of the Competition Authority the shambles of the original resolution that started all this Les Gray saying the clubs "have been treated unfairly". Unforeseen consequences : Hearts now playing in a truncated league where (ignoring anything else) they take a 25% hit on income. Whatever the SPFL QCs were thinking about , it wasn't this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hearts Daft said: I think we should follow the advice of the QC who is after all a professional in legal matters. We are now. 2 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: Nope disagree by doing it when we have we have strengthened our case by showing we did all we could. It was more than likely our lawyers dictating the pace of this. Not really. We voted to end the season and allowed the SPFL to strengthen their case by allowing a members vote on reconstruction. Those things have harmed our case, especially voting to end the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, chrisyboy7 said: The club can keep my money if there is only 27 games. The clubs given me the best days of my life. Ssshh, you're weakening our compo case coming out with stuff like that. You will definitely be claiming a full refund, like all of us will if we end up playing a reduced season. Got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneneilberry Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, kila said: Just going to tag @Footballfirst to this post in case he misses it as it would be interesting to know how much hot water Doncaster could find himself in. If anyone could shed some light FF is probably a good start ..as I say I know it happened in the top league before and would get a few clubs out of having to show their cards ..maybe nothing but may explain the huge difference in what was expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 See that The rangers are to play their game against the germans. Serous question: Would the league have finished early if Celtic were still in Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: I do worry that we are all in an echo chamber on this thread and so far throughout it all none of it has played in our favour or to our belief of how it will go and i fear this is no different. There will be no u turn on reconstruction unless the court decides it. I dont think the SPFL have been twiddling their thumbs the last 2 months and will have been reviewing every last detail of what they did and looking at their articles of association to see if there are any gaps. If they do nothing in the next 7 days then for me that will show they believe their case is solid. i’ll say it again they know how to defend the indefensible and seem to dodge bullets for fun so i hope this time they have overstretched it. Time will tell but im cautious to get too optimistic here. The SPFL dodge bullets because their members vote that way. For example, no desire to have an independent inquiry into it all, happy to go along with the results from the Doncaster restricted quickie done by Deloitte. But here there is £10m at stake, plus more from the fall out of it all. There is just too much at risk for the collective to not come to their senses and go for the easy option. They'll vote to avoid a bullet, they just needed things to get this far before folding because they'd be folding at the first hurdle otherwise. I really do think they are that pathetic. Edited June 17, 2020 by kila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, jock _turd said: Who is to say we did not... but it takes time to structure the legal case and bring it to court. We never petitioned the court until today so i think it is fair to say we didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 If this goes the whole 9 yards and we end up with the compensation I would hope we commission a special away strip with Thank You SPFL on it next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qferryjam Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: I do worry that we are all in an echo chamber on this thread and so far throughout it all none of it has played in our favour or to our belief of how it will go and i fear this is no different. There will be no u turn on reconstruction unless the court decides it. I dont think the SPFL have been twiddling their thumbs the last 2 months and will have been reviewing every last detail of what they did and looking at their articles of association to see if there are any gaps. If they do nothing in the next 7 days then for me that will show they believe their case is solid. i’ll say it again they know how to defend the indefensible and seem to dodge bullets for fun so i hope this time they have overstretched it. Time will tell but im cautious to get too optimistic here. Who was it last week said , the only person involved with the SPFL that understands the articles of association and rules is the person who wrote it (their lawyer). Like everyone I’m none the wiser about how the case will go but everyone in Scottish football is in their own echo chamber ,it’s a comfort blanket but what will be will be . This will be the longest 7 days since Administration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, kila said: I reckon the next 7 days will see an EGM called and reconstruction voted through. Why ? Nothing has changed which would turn 16-26 into reconstruction. They were told we were going to court. The SPFL told them the liabilities if we did and they were clearly concerned. But the clubs STILL voted overwhelmingly against. Reconstruction by vote is dead IMO We are left with imposed No promotion/relegation or imposed reconstruction as the immediate 7 day options. Alternatively give notice your fighting it and we’ll have the season suspended. Edited June 17, 2020 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, Lfhearts said: Ah we will see about that. Hopefully, although for many it has been obvious for........ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: No that money can only be handed out if it’s for community projects, it’s not for paying wages etc. I understand that. But at the end of the day it's still money the clubs will have to find to pay BT. In one hand, out with the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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