The Mighty Thor Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: There's no way this works. The logistics of getting fans to and from, in and out of stadiums while keeping their distance is impossible. Hard enough with the majority of clubs but imagine the old firm? The green half especially sneak into games already. There will be no fans at games. Not a hope in hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, The Mighty Thor said: There will be no fans at games. Not a hope in hell. And even if they were, they certainly won’t be directing them all to the same stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Jamhammer said: Think we can all guess which stadiums are gonna be the Hubs can’t we? 1. In Glasgow 1. In the capital 1. In Dundee thanks guys Nope, common sense, less populated areas, Fife, Inverness, Aberdeenshire (note shire) and Dundee, Dundee I find strange since it was riddled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: There will be no fans at games. Not a hope in hell. Pure fantasy. The tv ticket is the best idea, not sure I'd bother paying it, I'd want to see every last penny was going to Hearts before I touched it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: There will be no fans at games. Not a hope in hell. St J and Hamilton are used to that anyway that gives them an unfair advantage 🤣 Edited May 15, 2020 by Hearts007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: We will fight back. Just as soon as we know exactly what the extent is of the skullduggery going on in secret. They seem to come out with something new, just when we think it's as bad as it will get. I can't get my head round how a simple reconstruction to help every club was far too complicated and distracting, but this "hub" nonsense is radical thinking. It's desperation stuff from the main players, who want to be ready for the Champions League, if there are qualifying rounds this season, and the clubs who deferred wages, to look like the good guys, and now realise how much it's going to cost. Pie in the sky thinking, totally reliant on football fans being allowed in stadiums again, which isn't happening any time soon. It's just trying to copy England but they are only doing it with to finish the season and with zero fans.Scottish version is bonkers at first I thought fair enough but then I realised they wanted fans there and it's really only for the top 12. One thing if the season goes ahead lower league clubs should be allowed to stream there games in Scotland to generate income if no fans are allowed in grounds as we don't have any TV money to fall back on. Edited May 15, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Pure fantasy. The tv ticket is the best idea, not sure I'd bother paying it, I'd want to see every last penny was going to Hearts before I touched it We will see no money from TV deal so lower league clubs should all be allowed to stream there games in Scotland to generate income individually to try and recoup lost ticket money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Doncaster has been talking about the league cup taking place in July, so I think folk are getting the wrong end of the stick in terms of just the Premiership starting. To me, that’s in relation to tv options. That’s how I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, Koolkeith said: Doncaster has been talking about the league cup taking place in July, so I think folk are getting the wrong end of the stick in terms of just the Premiership starting. To me, that’s in relation to tv options. That’s how I read it. Yes Its significant there is also a new tv deal for the Betfred Cup - Premier Sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Yes Its significant there is also a new tv deal for the Betfred Cup - Premier Sports. Yeah. The main reason they’re desperate to call the league is to get the new tv deals started. If this wasn’t happening, then they might not be pushing so hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, Koolkeith said: Doncaster has been talking about the league cup taking place in July, so I think folk are getting the wrong end of the stick in terms of just the Premiership starting. To me, that’s in relation to tv options. That’s how I read it. I read yesterday the Hubs were to be used for Championship and lower league games.Im not sure if the Championship was regarding to the top league though as it wasn't from a Scottish source I read it.Also though on league clubs playing in a select set of stadia how is that going to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: We will see no money from TV deal so lower league clubs should all be allowed to stream there games in Scotland to generate income individually to try and recoup lost ticket money. Yeah that's the idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: I read yesterday the Hubs were to be used for Championship and lower league games.Im not sure if the Championship was regarding to the top league though as it wasn't from a Scottish source I read it.Also though on league clubs playing in a select set of stadia how is that going to work. It is all a bit bald men fighting over a comb but Hearts need to fighting and disrupting this regardless. We cannot be outside this carve up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Imagine trying to socially distance through turnstiles? Especially the shite ones at Easter Road, that reject tickets if not scanned perfectly to the millimetre, and then you have to back out through the crowd to get them re-set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, tian447 said: Imagine trying to socially distance through turnstiles? Especially the shite ones at Easter Road, that reject tickets if not scanned perfectly to the millimetre, and then you have to back out through the crowd to get them re-set. you would need to clean each turnstile between each use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: I read yesterday the Hubs were to be used for Championship and lower league games.Im not sure if the Championship was regarding to the top league though as it wasn't from a Scottish source I read it.Also though on league clubs playing in a select set of stadia how is that going to work. Thanks for raising my seethe levels another notch 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, tian447 said: Imagine trying to socially distance through turnstiles? Especially the shite ones at Easter Road, that reject tickets if not scanned perfectly to the millimetre, and then you have to back out through the crowd to get them re-set. Was trying to work out the social distancing for our lower wheatfield section( i know we are looking at hubs). 28 seats in a row, lower wheatfield is about 10 rows so 280 folk. How many fit if we have to stay 2m apart?? Not even at many as 40, how does that work as an option??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: I read yesterday the Hubs were to be used for Championship and lower league games.Im not sure if the Championship was regarding to the top league though as it wasn't from a Scottish source I read it.Also though on league clubs playing in a select set of stadia how is that going to work. Perhaps each league is allocated a stadium to play games? Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Surely the only hubs they could use for loads of games in quick succession would be those with plastic pitches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, Koolkeith said: Perhaps each league is allocated a stadium to play games? Who knows. One or two games on each day everyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Surely the only hubs they could use for loads of games in quick succession would be those with plastic pitches? Well that fits in with banning tackling and all the other shite they want to introduce to make players safer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Sir Gio said: Nope, common sense, less populated areas, Fife, Inverness, Aberdeenshire (note shire) and Dundee, Dundee I find strange since it was riddled I’d put money on it being Darkhead, Fester & Dens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I'm intrigued to know how officiating will work. Impossible to socially distance and referee or run a line. As they are paid on a fee per game basis and have jobs outside the game it's going to be really difficult to persuade them to do games as they are taking the same risks as players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: Was trying to work out the social distancing for our lower wheatfield section( i know we are looking at hubs). 28 seats in a row, lower wheatfield is about 10 rows so 280 folk. How many fit if we have to stay 2m apart?? Not even at many as 40, how does that work as an option??? Using very quick, and probably incorrect maths: If the social distancing says that we have to leave 2 metres apart: The seats are about 40cm wide, so you could sit on a seat, but then have to leave 5 empty before the next person, so 1 in 6 seats will have someone in it. That brings the attendance down from 20,000 to about 3500 right off the bat. However, you can't have people behind you or in front of you either. I reckon 3 rows would realistically leave enough space for a 2 metre gap, meaning 1 in 4 rows could be filled. That brings the maximum safe attendance at Tynecastle as less than 875 people. This doesn't account for seating anomalies (where there are partial rows, blank spaces or seats cut out). This probably knocks off a good number of seats, bringing it to around 800. 800 people at the game is almost pointless for us, especially as that figure again could easily be halved for unknown variables. You also then have the issue; what if someone in the middle of the row needs to go to the toilet or wants to leave early. They can't squeeze past people, otherwise it defeats the purpose entirely. So do you make it so that people can only sit on the end of rows, 2 people per row, per section? You'd have about 200 people in the stadium. I'm not sure about you, but I don't think I would even want to sit in the stands in that kind of isolation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: Was trying to work out the social distancing for our lower wheatfield section( i know we are looking at hubs). 28 seats in a row, lower wheatfield is about 10 rows so 280 folk. How many fit if we have to stay 2m apart?? Not even at many as 40, how does that work as an option??? But what happens if somebody wants past to go to the toilet? Then what happens in the toilets? They can’t stop people smoking in them, never mind have them social distancing. It’s a non starter thought up by people who haven’t sat in the cheaper seats for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, tian447 said: Using very quick, and probably incorrect maths: If the social distancing says that we have to leave 2 metres apart: The seats are about 40cm wide, so you could sit on a seat, but then have to leave 5 empty before the next person, so 1 in 6 seats will have someone in it. That brings the attendance down from 20,000 to about 3500 right off the bat. However, you can't have people behind you or in front of you either. I reckon 3 rows would realistically leave enough space for a 2 metre gap, meaning 1 in 4 rows could be filled. That brings the maximum safe attendance at Tynecastle as less than 875 people. This doesn't account for seating anomalies (where there are partial rows, blank spaces or seats cut out). This probably knocks off a good number of seats, bringing it to around 800. 800 people at the game is almost pointless for us, especially as that figure again could easily be halved for unknown variables. You also then have the issue; what if someone in the middle of the row needs to go to the toilet or wants to leave early. They can't squeeze past people, otherwise it defeats the purpose entirely. So do you make it so that people can only sit on the end of rows, 2 people per row, per section? You'd have about 200 people in the stadium. I'm not sure about you, but I don't think I would even want to sit in the stands in that kind of isolation. So social distance at your work unless your work is a sport.If it is a sport mingle with up to 30 odd folk at a time ( rugby ) But remember if you are not paid athlete jog two metres apart in crowded parks 😂 Edited May 15, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: But what happens if somebody wants past to go to the toilet? Then what happens in the toilets? They can’t stop people smoking in them, never mind have them social distancing. It’s a non starter thought up by people who haven’t sat in the cheaper seats for years. Stopping passing means 2 people per row. Hardly worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: But what happens if somebody wants past to go to the toilet? Then what happens in the toilets? They can’t stop people smoking in them, never mind have them social distancing. It’s a non starter thought up by people who haven’t sat in the cheaper seats for years. We dont allow anyone up to the toilet during matches as it ruins the atmosphere. Point i was making was no danger can fans attend games if we must maintain 2m social distancing. Its simply balls to think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: We dont allow anyone up to the toilet during matches as it ruins the atmosphere. Point i was making was no danger can fans attend games if we must maintain 2m social distancing. Its simply balls to think otherwise. Totally the only way I see clubs surging and it's horrible is that players are released from contracts and the league's start up in a year or so.Big TV leagues are fine but for everybody else in the world they leagues have to be halted until it is safe for fans to return and that's not just football.I mean **** me in England they are still trying to get round how to train safely never mind actually play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Going back to England you can only train in groups of 6 but you are going to be able to play full games on game day 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jamhammer said: I’d put money on it being Darkhead, Fester & Dens They will avoid Glasgow, too densely populated, too high risk, just wont fly. One argument the SPFL will not win is with Govt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Stopping passing means 2 people per row. Hardly worth it. Its not just passing in the rows - what about stairs, entrance, exit, toilets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its not just passing in the rows - what about stairs, entrance, exit, toilets. Leave one row at a time.Slop out buckets will be left at then end of each row of seats for those that need a pish - Rod Petrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: Leave one row at a time.Slop out buckets will be left at then end of each row of seats for those that need a pish - Rod Petrie Won't sharing a bucket cause different types of social distancing considerations? 😷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 4 hours ago, vegas-voss said: I think bigger clubs will be in more trouble than little clubs will they not just because of overheads.Imagine for instance if Dundee have virtually killed themselves as no football will get played or at least with no crowds. Could be the case but as with any business it will be down to cash flow in terms of remaining in existence. Celtic, and Rangers for that matter seem to attract investment and investors from all over the place and given that they could survive through loans I would of thought. If no football was being played, and players gradually left clubs due to contracts being ended or them being paid off I guess the question is how long could any club survive with no income from TV and/or crowds and running the business at an absolute minimum? You know just keeping the lights on and no more, mothballed in effect? I have no idea but that would be a good cash flow plan to see from a club in the SPL. Lower league clubs may not be any different in terms of mothballing, again not sure but without seeing these types of costed plans it is hard to call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, frankblack said: Won't sharing a bucket cause different types of social distancing considerations? 😷 Yes, which is why there will be, instead of the above ridiculous idea, obligatory catheter insertion and use for registered spectators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, redjambo said: Yes, which is why there will be, instead of the above ridiculous idea, obligatory catheter insertion and use for registered spectators. I think you took my post too serious 😂 Or I took your post too serious.I must stop skim reading 😂 Edited May 15, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: I think you took my post too serious 😂 Or I took your post too serious.I must stop skin reading 😂 My tongue was firmly in cheek, VV. So how long have you been reading skin? Is it more interesting with or without tattoos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: My tongue was firmly in cheek, VV. So how long have you been reading skin? Is it more interesting with or without tattoos? I should also proof read everything I post 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, vegas-voss said: I should also proof read everything I post 😂 The forum would be much duller if folk started doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackford Hearts Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 22 hours ago, Rods said: I think this is for next season. We should be doing everything possible to make sure this fails. We have. Hearts have stayed off all committees and allowed SFA / SPFL to jointly organise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, vegas-voss said: Leave one row at a time.Slop out buckets will be left at then end of each row of seats for those that need a pish - Rod Petrie Two Hibs or Celtic fans pishing in the same bucket would mean they would be consenting to marrying each other would it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, stuart500 said: Two Hibs or Celtic fans pishing in the same bucket would mean they would be consenting to marrying each other would it not? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, stuart500 said: Two Hibs or Celtic fans pishing in the same bucket would mean they would be consenting to marrying each other would it not? A case of mixing their drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 How do you build a wall at a free kick with social distancing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: How do you build a wall at a free kick with social distancing? 3 man wall, either end facing away and a big fat ******* inbetween!! Its as good as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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