Dennis Denuto Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: The Welsh correspondent on BBC Breakfast this morning said that there was a meeting called between the devolved nations regarding a lockdown between Christmas and New Year. He said that the Welsh knocked it back because they didn't want to put more restrictions on their people. You know whose grubby mitts are all over this? Wants the Welsh and Irish to back her up so she doesn't look so bad. Sleekit wee boot We don't know what happened but would it not be more likely it was NI that wanted the tougher restrictions as they have much tougher ones just now? What do you the NI's motivation is for being different from the UK restrictions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: More tears and snotters are imminent from the “Pant Wetters.” Would James have taken the vaccine had there not been big media coverage of the pandemic? I doubt it. He happily takes his jags while shouting down everyone else who follows protocol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: moan after it, ha ha, We have staff night out next Friday and a family night out the Saturday . None will be cancelled 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: It’s two weeks plus now since it was discovered in U.K. In very small numbers at present. We're trying to stop the surge in cases happening by taking early action. If we wait until hospitalisations rise, it's far too late. South Africa is where there has been a significant surge over the past week or so. We would probably expect to see a significant rise in hospitalisations there next week if there is to be one. It's all eyes on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, Ray Gin said: In very small numbers at present. We're trying to stop the surge in cases happening by taking early action. If we wait until hospitalisations rise, it's far too late. South Africa is where there has been a significant surge over the past week or so. We would probably expect to see a significant rise in hospitalisations there next week if there is to be one. It's all eyes on them. 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said: We don't know what happened but would it not be more likely it was NI that wanted the tougher restrictions as they have much tougher ones just now? What do you the NI's motivation is for being different from the UK restrictions? I doubt it would be NI. They just do their own thing without consulting anyone else. Their motivation is probably because they have a land border with the EU. Sturgeon is never off the phone to Drakeford. I'm glad he and the Treasury have told her to GTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: In very small numbers at present. We're trying to stop the surge in cases happening by taking early action. If we wait until hospitalisations rise, it's far too late. South Africa is where there has been a significant surge over the past week or so. We would probably expect to see a significant rise in hospitalisations there next week if there is to be one. It's all eyes on them. Looking at that chart, South Africa also had a massive spike in June/July this year. Maybe it's down to their demographic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 In other news. The NHS Scotland Covid App has just been updated. My booster is now showing on the App this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I’ll Buck the usual behaviours before it and moan like **** after it 😂 if applicable You just referred to Nicola Sturgeon as a psychopath. 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Looking at that chart, South Africa also had a massive spike in June/July this year. Maybe it's down to their demographic? All eyes on SA, except the lack of vaccination and mild cases they are experiencing. Not enough data to consider that. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, Alex Kintner said: You just referred to Nicola Sturgeon as a psychopath. 🤷🏻♂️ Fair point, I thought he was being overly kind there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, kila said: Would James have taken the vaccine had there not been big media coverage of the pandemic? I doubt it. He happily takes his jags while being dragged kicking and screaming while carefully balancing up the decision while shouting down everyone else who follows protocol. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Looking at that chart, South Africa also had a massive spike in June/July this year. Maybe it's down to their demographic? What has happened in previous waves (we don't even know if there will be one here this time) is that it starts in the younger age groups and gradually starts to work up to the over 65s over time, so until we know more it could go either way. I tend to agree with you that comparison with SA isn't really that helpful. I don't really think we need extra restrictions and the only thing I am worried about just now is having to isolate because Omicron gets into one of my kids classes, it would be nice to get to Christmas without having to be stuck home and change our plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I doubt it would be NI. They just do their own thing without consulting anyone else. Their motivation is probably because they have a land border with the EU. Sturgeon is never off the phone to Drakeford. I'm glad he and the Treasury have told her to GTF What a gruesome looking couple actually . Yuck 🤢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Dennis Denuto said: What has happened in previous waves (we don't even know if there will be one here this time) is that it starts in the younger age groups and gradually starts to work up to the over 65s over time, so until we know more it could go either way. I tend to agree with you that comparison with SA isn't really that helpful. I don't really think we need extra restrictions and the only thing I am worried about just now is having to isolate because Omicron gets into one of my kids classes, it would be nice to get to Christmas without having to be stuck home and change our plans. My friends daughter's class have to all self isolate until next week ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: My friends daughter's class have to all self isolate until next week ! At least they get out for Christmas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dazo said: All eyes on SA, except the lack of vaccination and mild cases they are experiencing. Not enough data to consider that. 🙄 No there's not enough data. We'll have a better idea next week. We still don't know how well our most used vaccine (Astra Zeneca) holds up against Omicron. It could be brilliant, it could be rubbish. Until we know that, looking at what is happening in South Africa and basing our actions on the severity of the situation there is our best option. Edited December 10, 2021 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said: What has happened in previous waves (we don't even know if there will be one here this time) is that it starts in the younger age groups and gradually starts to work up to the over 65s over time, so until we know more it could go either way. I tend to agree with you that comparison with SA isn't really that helpful. I don't really think we need extra restrictions and the only thing I am worried about just now is having to isolate because Omicron gets into one of my kids classes, it would be nice to get to Christmas without having to be stuck home and change our plans. What plans do you need to change ? Unless your going abroad ? Or something like that . Stick to your plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, kila said: Would James have taken the vaccine had there not been big media coverage of the pandemic? I doubt it. He happily takes his jags while shouting down everyone else who follows protocol. Dear Kila I did not go “ kicking and screaming “ to my jabs. Please refrain from the fake news . Thanks Jim ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Anyway In some good news . I’ve only got a mild sore arm from the booster yesterday . No fever etc . I’d recommend what I did last night . One gin and tonic , 2 glasses of white wine , 5 pints of lager and a 3 course meal . That probably killed any adverse reactions to the Jab 😂😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: What plans do you need to change ? Unless your going abroad ? Or something like that . Stick to your plans If someone in the kids class gets Omicron then the whole class has to isolate and we couldn't visit family or have them visit us, nor go to the football etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, Dennis Denuto said: If someone in the kids class gets Omicron then the whole class has to isolate and we couldn't visit family or have them visit us, nor go to the football etc etc That’s true. Yes correct . I wonder if people will just take their children out of school a week before Xmas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: No there's not enough data. We'll have a better idea next week. We still don't know how well our most used vaccine (Astra Zeneca) holds up against Omicron. It could be brilliant, it could be rubbish. Until we know that, looking at what is happening in South Africa and basing our actions on the severity of the situation there is our best option. What about what we do know ? Is there a single piece of data to suggest we need tougher restrictions ? I am sure I read something that said the whole of Europe had an extra 65 cases of the omicron variant over a 24 hour period. 65 ffs. 🙄 Maybe I’m putting my finger in the air here but maybe there are thousands walking about with omicron but are non the wiser or aren’t getting their pants wet over the sniffles. Edited December 10, 2021 by Dazo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: That’s true. Yes correct . I wonder if people will just take their children out of school a week before Xmas ? I am sure some will, I'll just keep fingers crossed like we have done all through this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Anyway In some good news . I’ve only got a mild sore arm from the booster yesterday . No fever etc . I’d recommend what I did last night . One gin and tonic , 2 glasses of white wine , 5 pints of lager and a 3 course meal . That probably killed any adverse reactions to the Jab 😂😎 You're not out of the woods yet James. It's a 48h window. You'll have to repeat the alcohol intake today, just to be on the safe side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Jambo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 A lot of internet submissives starting to pull their tadgers at the thought of Mistress Sturgeon dishing out some new demands and orders today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, Dazo said: What about what we do know ? I there a single piece of data to suggest we need tougher restrictions ? I am sure I read something that said the whole of Europe had an extra 65 cases of the omicron variant over a 24 hour period. 65 ffs. 🙄 Maybe I’m putting my finger in the air here but maybe there are thousands walking about with omicron but are non the wiser or aren’t getting their pants wet over the sniffles. There certainly hasn't been a huge spike in cases in South or Southern Africa where this was discovered. Deaths also not going up massively. In fact Eastern Europe looks in far worse shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dazo said: What about what we do know ? Is there a single piece of data to suggest we need tougher restrictions ? I am sure I read something that said the whole of Europe had an extra 65 cases of the omicron variant over a 24 hour period. 65 ffs. 🙄 Maybe I’m putting my finger in the air here but maybe there are thousands walking about with omicron but are non the wiser or aren’t getting their pants wet over the sniffles. You're missing the point in that we're trying to act early enough to avoid a surge in Omicron. If we wait until we already have a massive surge then we're too late. Again, where's your source for this just being the sniffles? You keep repeating it but that doesn't make it true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said: There certainly hasn't been a huge spike in cases in South or Southern Africa where this was discovered. Deaths also not going up massively. In fact Eastern Europe looks in far worse shape. Not enough data seems to be enough for the suckling masses. Forget about what is actually happening in real time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said: There certainly hasn't been a huge spike in cases in South or Southern Africa where this was discovered. Yes there has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, Ray Gin said: You're missing the point in that we're trying to act early enough to avoid a surge in Omicron. If we wait until we already have a massive surge then we're too late. Again, where's your source for this just being the sniffles? You keep repeating it but that doesn't make it true. I thought a weaker variant was our wet dream ? So what if it spreads and becomes the dominant strain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Anyway In some good news . I’ve only got a mild sore arm from the booster yesterday . No fever etc . I’d recommend what I did last night . One gin and tonic , 2 glasses of white wine , 5 pints of lager and a 3 course meal . That probably killed any adverse reactions to the Jab 😂😎 Getting mines today so I'll take your advice fully 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Dazo said: I thought a weaker variant was our wet dream ? So what if it spreads and becomes the dominant strain. Great if it is weaker and nobody gets seriously ill. That is not yet known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: You're not out of the woods yet James. It's a 48h window. You'll have to repeat the alcohol intake today, just to be on the safe side Oh thanks lol actually on Wednesday night I felt a bit flush . I had the flu jab on the Tuesday . So it looks like I’ll need to taje the medicine again tonight 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, LMc said: Getting mines today so I'll take your advice fully 😏 5 pints was only guidance ! You can drink more of you wish ! 👍😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dazo said: I thought a weaker variant was our wet dream ? So what if it spreads and becomes the dominant strain. As far as I know it’s meant to be a weaker variant but more transmittable with only mild symptoms to no symptoms . So if this is accurate it means no drain on the NHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, JamesM48 said: As far as I know it’s meant to be a weaker variant but more transmittable with only mild symptoms to no symptoms . So if this is accurate it means no drain on the NHS According to the link someone posted yesterday, early numbers suggest a 50% reduction in serious illness compared to Delta. At 4 times more transmissible, that means significant strain on the NHS. But our vaccines may hold up ok against them, meaning no added strain. We don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 The only certainties at the moment are these: Anyone who is claiming this is definitely nothing to worry about is talking shite. Anyone who is claiming this is definitely going to be catastrophic is equally talking shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I can't believe any sensible adult actually takes Nicola Sturgeon, her media updates and restrictions seriously anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: According to the link someone posted yesterday, early numbers suggest a 50% reduction in serious illness compared to Delta. At 4 times more transmissible, that means significant strain on the NHS. But our vaccines may hold up ok against them, meaning no added strain. We don't know. But if it’s mild to nowt how would it cause any strain to the NHS ? People. Can just go to their local chemist and get paracetamol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: As far as I know it’s meant to be a weaker variant but more transmittable with only mild symptoms to no symptoms . So if this is accurate it means no drain on the NHS Everyone that doesn't work for the NHS vanishing off the face of the earth would still leave them under strain. Its all we hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, JamesM48 said: But if it’s mild to nowt how would it cause any strain to the NHS ? People. Can just go to their local chemist and get paracetamol How is a 50% reduction in severe cases mild to nowt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: The only certainties at the moment are these: Anyone who is claiming this is definitely nothing to worry about is talking shite. Anyone who is claiming this is definitely going to be catastrophic is equally talking shite. This. Always every bit of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Herbert said: Everyone that doesn't work for the NHS vanishing off the face of the earth would still leave them under strain. Its all we hear. Time to have a grown up conversation about it . It’s the elephant in the room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Time to have a grown up conversation about it . It’s the elephant in the room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 This is easy reading & very informative. The point about two different viruses potentially hitting at the same time is something that hadn't occurred to me before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Victorian said: Jesus Christ. Cheer up dear . Your pal is on the telly 🔜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Yes there has. It is in the midst of an Omicron spike but has still not reached the level of Cases or Deaths in the UK. It is a spike but not a huge spike, it looks worse than it is because it started from a very low position. I agree there is too little data, but the data we do have still doesn't look too bad and any extra restricitons announced today will not be significantly more than we have just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: The only certainties at the moment are these: Anyone who is claiming this is definitely nothing to worry about is talking shite. Anyone who is claiming this is definitely going to be catastrophic is equally talking shite. In a nutshell everyone is talking shite, public, politicians, WHO, Kickback etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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