Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Ray Gin said: Why is that a worry or concern? It's really not that big a deal to slip a mask on while you're in a shop. If it helps prevent a 2nd wave then I'm happy to wear one until a vaccine is found. Because: 1. I like many others find them uncomfortable and irritating. I don’t shop too much so no big deal but others will either not go or limit their shopping habits which has yet more economic impact. 2. For me personally the big one is it unsettles my children who are young and don’t like seeing Daddy wearing a mask. We are trying to shield them from the whole coronavirus thing and that makes it hard 3. It’s also inconvenient, it means I have to remember to have a mask with me at all times and if I forget I can’t pop into a shop. That sounds simple but real life isn’t like that and inevitably will prove to be a pain in the ass. none of the above are game changers and as I said I’m happy to do my bit over the next couple of months but I simply do not support this being mandated over the longer term. A vaccine and roll out could be well over a year down the line, for me that’s too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 15:26, Nucky Thompson said: I don't really see what difference it will make what day of the week they reopen. You could argue that it is sensible making it a weekend when a lot of people aren't working. Are you having a laugh?? Im as glad an anyone there boozers are opening again but on a Saturday after this? It will be carnage. Whoever made that decision is going to get some amount of stick. Possibly one of the most bonkers of all their decisions in this giant **** up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Because: 1. I like many others find them uncomfortable and irritating. I don’t shop too much so no big deal but others will either not go or limit their shopping habits which has yet more economic impact. 2. For me personally the big one is it unsettles my children who are young and don’t like seeing Daddy wearing a mask. We are trying to shield them from the whole coronavirus thing and that makes it hard 3. It’s also inconvenient, it means I have to remember to have a mask with me at all times and if I forget I can’t pop into a shop. That sounds simple but real life isn’t like that and inevitably will prove to be a pain in the ass. none of the above are game changers and as I said I’m happy to do my bit over the next couple of months but I simply do not support this being mandated over the longer term. A vaccine and roll out could be well over a year down the line, for me that’s too long. So better to just increase the risk of it spreading than have people very mildly inconvenienced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, OBE said: A lot of pawed groceries in the isles going on. Dithering, indecision could be lethal. Have a list, trolley it, pay and ***k off... There are signs in supermarkets that say only grab things you intend to buy. Obviously doesn't apply to ****wits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 You only need to wear the mask when you're in the shop. Before and after, you can take it off. Keep it with your shopping bags so you don't forget it. It's not difficult, people are just being arseholes about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Cade said: You only need to wear the mask when you're in the shop. Before and after, you can take it off. Keep it with your shopping bags so you don't forget it. It's not difficult, people are just being arseholes about it. Why have we not had to wear them for 3 months shopping but now we must? Wear one, don’t wear one it’s all ok it’s the little hitlers who will make a song and dance about it if you don’t that will bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: So better to just increase the risk of it spreading than have people very mildly inconvenienced? My view that I am trying to ensure my children are shielded from being scared of this situation is not a ‘very mild’ inconvenience to me and my wife. Don’t patronise me about how I choose to raise my kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Cade said: You only need to wear the mask when you're in the shop. Before and after, you can take it off. Keep it with your shopping bags so you don't forget it. It's not difficult, people are just being arseholes about it. There are loads of situations where you are just out and about and not necessarily planning to visits a shop but discover you need to or want to. so yes it not a huge issue but your ‘solution’ isn’t really a solution at all. now people will need to remember to take a mask with them in the same way they do a wallet or a phone. Again not a big issue but a very real change to everyday life that some people will inevitably forget as habits are hard to change and then it will be a pain. i haven’t seen many people say they don’t support the change but are entitled to be a bit irritable about it especially given we have gone this long without it being mandated. Edited July 3, 2020 by Brighton Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Somebody think of the children! Who cares if a load of old people die though eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Why have we not had to wear them for 3 months shopping but now we must? Wear one, don’t wear one it’s all ok it’s the little hitlers who will make a song and dance about it if you don’t that will bother me. Sturgeon has been telling people to wear them since late April. Not enough people have listened and now that more places are opening up it has been deemed necessary to make them mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I have heard people are objecting because they say you will be inhaling carbon dioxide or not enough oxygen. All mostly untrue. Carbon dioxide molecules are tiny and will pass easily through breathable masks. It’s not a poly bag you are wearing. Obviously don’t put them on toddlers as their lungs haven’t developed yet. Same if you already have breathing issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Ray Gin said: Somebody think of the children! Who cares if a load of old people die though eh. There were 5 new cases yesterday, why given we haven’t had mandated masks through the peak of the epidemic will then suddenly be this huge spike that will kill loads of old people? Cases are this low without masks and still I support wearing of masks for a couple of months. Beyond that I don’t and yes I actually do factor my kids well-being into that, and your ludicrous scare mongering doesn’t change my view one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I see Pete Wishart snp saying Scotland should withdraw from British Institutions including Westminster if independence still blocked by Tories - now Nicky says there should be no party politics at this time - did he not get the memo or has she lost control of her party ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Somebody think of the children! Who cares if a load of old people die though eh. Cummings “If people die,so be it.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, manaliveits105 said: I see Pete Wishart snp saying Scotland should withdraw from British Institutions including Westminster if independence still blocked by Tories - now Nicky says there should be no party politics at this time - did he not get the memo or has she lost control of her party ? I don’t think she has lost control of the party but now that the COVID situation is passing inevitably some will want to return to the question of independence. I think Boris now will use COVID and the imminent recession as further reasons to deny a second vote. i don’t think Nicola will be that bothered by that privately as she will see now probably isn’t the time for another constitutional debate but some in the SNP are getting increasingly impatient and that could create divide. if I was Kier Starmer I would let slip now that if elected at next GE I would Support indyref2. I think most people would think that that breathing space was welcome given COVID and yet would give a clear commitment for a few years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 As far as England goes Stammer might lose some of the gain Labour have made since Corbyn departure and his appointment - don't think he would risk that - but you are right there will just be a lot of token bluster from the nats and The Revenge of the Ecktopus has still to play out up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: The answer is they are clueless. The 4th of July is when America got independence from Britain. As for Nazi salutes It's mental. Are you all set for your holiday, bud? I might try to hire a statica for wee long weekend up in Inverness or Pitlochry way for Mid/End July. Change of scenery for a few days and a round of golf. Oh and some Cider too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Cummings “If people die,so be it.” But the death rate is now virtually zero, it’s back to normal levels, all without face masks being mandated. I agree we should wear them for another couple of months to be sure we see it off once and for all then let’s let people get back to normal if they choose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Are you having a laugh?? Im as glad an anyone there boozers are opening again but on a Saturday after this? It will be carnage. Whoever made that decision is going to get some amount of stick. Possibly one of the most bonkers of all their decisions in this giant **** up. After 14 weeks of closure, I think people would have piled in whatever day of the week. If it was a Monday, everyone would be in the Monday club then be fecked for their work on the Tuesday as well. Boozers won't look the same as before. Table service and 2 hour limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: After 14 weeks of closure, I think people would have piled in whatever day of the week. If it was a Monday, everyone would be in the Monday club then be fecked for their work on the Tuesday as well. Boozers won't look the same as before. Table service and 2 hour limits. That’s the theory anyway. You just move to the next boozer. This is insanity mate I have no clue who thought this was a good idea in the middle of summer. Why can’t you admit that It’s not going to be anything like the same on a Monday as it’s going to be tomorrow! Most people I know are back at work in some form or other. Saturday? And I include myself in the frenzy to get back out socialising again, will be a different ball game. Not even the same sport. I hope it’s not going to be the chaos I’m imagining tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Cade said: You only need to wear the mask when you're in the shop. Before and after, you can take it off. Keep it with your shopping bags so you don't forget it. It's not difficult, people are just being arseholes about it. It’s easy as you said to put it on for 20 mins to do a shop but try wearing one for a 10 hour shift and then it’s not as easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: After 14 weeks of closure, I think people would have piled in whatever day of the week. If it was a Monday, everyone would be in the Monday club then be fecked for their work on the Tuesday as well. Boozers won't look the same as before. Table service and 2 hour limits. I was looking forward going for a pint but booking tables and limitations. Life will take a long time to get back to normal if it ever does. I’m generally a half pint full (No pun intended) person but I should be grateful for what I’ve got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: There were 5 new cases yesterday, why given we haven’t had mandated masks through the peak of the epidemic will then suddenly be this huge spike that will kill loads of old people? Cases are this low without masks and still I support wearing of masks for a couple of months. Beyond that I don’t and yes I actually do factor my kids well-being into that, and your ludicrous scare mongering doesn’t change my view one bit. Perhaps because everything was closed other than food shops until now. Tell Leicester that it's all just ludicrous scaremongering and there's no chance of a spike in cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: After 14 weeks of closure, I think people would have piled in whatever day of the week. If it was a Monday, everyone would be in the Monday club then be fecked for their work on the Tuesday as well. Boozers won't look the same as before. Table service and 2 hour limits. Is there a time limit as I was chatting with my mate and we weren’t sure? also, does anyone know if when beer gardens open on Monday the toilets of the pub are accessible? I’m asking for a ‘friend’ with the bladder of a weak mouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: That’s the theory anyway. You just move to the next boozer. This is insanity mate I have no clue who thought this was a good idea in the middle of summer. Why can’t you admit that It’s not going to be anything like the same on a Monday as it’s going to be tomorrow! Most people I know are back at work in some form or other. Saturday? And I include myself in the frenzy to get back out socialising again, will be a different ball game. Not even the same sport. I hope it’s not going to be the chaos I’m imagining tbh. I agree it will be carnage. I think they have dropped the ball and now realise it, hence Boris making a statement on TV tonight basically pleading with people to be sensible this weekend. Good luck with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Is there a time limit as I was chatting with my mate and we weren’t sure? also, does anyone know if when beer gardens open on Monday the toilets of the pub are accessible? I’m asking for a ‘friend’ with the bladder of a weak mouse. A good point. Maybe it’s the same as visiting another household in their garden. You can use their bog. Edited July 3, 2020 by The Real Maroonblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I agree it will be carnage. I think they have dropped the ball and now realise it, hence Boris making a statement on TV tonight basically pleading with people to be sensible this weekend. Good luck with that! Yeah asking people to behave. This is a looking like a runaway train to me I hope I’m wrong but good weather this weekend and this has disaster written all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Yeah asking people to behave. This is a looking like a runaway train to me I hope I’m wrong but good weather this weekend and this has disaster written all over it. Yeah it’s Boris’s whole leadership approach in microcosm. You can imagine his enthusiasm, ‘4th July, Independence Day, a Saturday, what a headline, people will be thrilled, let’s get the country going etc’. The backslapping and big smiles all round the cabinet table. then reality kicks in and suddenly oh sh@t, didn’t think of the actual practicalities of this. I suspect Sunday’s headlines will not be ones he had in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: After 14 weeks of closure, I think people would have piled in whatever day of the week. If it was a Monday, everyone would be in the Monday club then be fecked for their work on the Tuesday as well. Boozers won't look the same as before. Table service and 2 hour limits. An old favourite of ours. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: An old favourite of ours. 👍 Couldn't beat a couple of early morning Monday pints I had to knock it on the head after getting barred from Stratties after a Monday session Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Yeah it’s Boris’s whole leadership approach in microcosm. You can imagine his enthusiasm, ‘4th July, Independence Day, a Saturday, what a headline, people will be thrilled, let’s get the country going etc’. The backslapping and big smiles all round the cabinet table. then reality kicks in and suddenly oh sh@t, didn’t think of the actual practicalities of this. I suspect Sunday’s headlines will not be ones he had in mind. Would be great to think it’ll be fine and the weekend will pass without any carry on. I have my doubts though. Monday’s headlines gonna be funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Nucky Thompson said: Couldn't beat a couple of early morning Monday pints I had to knock it on the head after getting barred from Stratties after a Monday session Dickens then through to Victor Gold. 👍 Stratties was great for a game of early morning bus roulette. If the 33 appeared first quickly finish off your pint and off to work. Number 3 and it was another pint. Number 25 and it was Monday session time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micole Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Yeah it’s Boris’s whole leadership approach in microcosm. You can imagine his enthusiasm, ‘4th July, Independence Day, a Saturday, what a headline, people will be thrilled, let’s get the country going etc’. The backslapping and big smiles all round the cabinet table. then reality kicks in and suddenly oh sh@t, didn’t think of the actual practicalities of this. I suspect Sunday’s headlines will not be ones he had in mind. I really hope things pass with no great problem and everyone acts sensibly. Now in the real world I agree with you I think it will be chaos...hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Ray Gin said: Perhaps because everything was closed other than food shops until now. Tell Leicester that it's all just ludicrous scaremongering and there's no chance of a spike in cases. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said: also, does anyone know if when beer gardens open on Monday the toilets of the pub are accessible? I’m asking for a ‘friend’ with the bladder of a weak mouse. I'm also very interested in this answer. I'm planning on going for a few takeaway pints tommorow with a couple friends near someone's house but in the future, surely they'll have to have the toilets open? I imagine the queues will be horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 hours ago, ri Alban said: Other than for medical reasons, you'd need to be a right inconsiderate arsewipe, not to wear a mask. It shouldn't have to be mandatory, just manners. This i make no apologies for repeating myself on this matter either those who don’t wear them (unless they have medical reasons not to) really and ignorant selfish twits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: In regards to face masks short term I agree with the approach but I am concerned it becomes the norm. my worry is that it’s in place for the next 2/3 months and then the rhetoric will be that we are approaching winter and we should continue doing it to avoid a second peak. and what about people on low incomes ? How might they afford them as im betting the prices will rocket ? I agree we should wear them though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, JamesM48 said: and what about people on low incomes ? How might they afford them as im betting the prices will rocket ? I agree we should wear them though People can make them - no need to get expensive ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, dtgj said: It's a bit misleading. Intentionally so by the Westminster Government. 252,084 is the number of tests the Government say they have done. But that includes tests posted out but not completed, antibody tests and research tests (eg foe the ONS survey or where they are testing how accurate a new type of test is). Westminster no longer report the number of people tested. The best proxy is pillar 1 people tested (through the NHS) and tests processed in pillar 2 (the mobile testing units). Those are 27,337 and 50,481 respectively. So the best estimate of people tested yesterday is 77,818 (ie Westminster still isn't meeting it's 100k people tested a day by the end of May target). Of those 576 people tested positive. That means roughly 0.7% of people testing positive, which is still a pretty good figure. The equivalent for Scotland only yesterday was 0.1% testing positive. Thanks for that informative answer. Incredibly low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nicholas Brody said: I'm also very interested in this answer. I'm planning on going for a few takeaway pints tommorow with a couple friends near someone's house but in the future, surely they'll have to have the toilets open? I imagine the queues will be horrendous. I would imagine they'll have bathroom attendants letting in a few at a time. I also heard they will have hand sanitisers outside the toilet door. No point in washing your hands then touching the door on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Ray Gin said: Sturgeon has been telling people to wear them since late April. Not enough people have listened and now that more places are opening up it has been deemed necessary to make them mandatory. Yup too many selfish people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said: A good point. Maybe it’s the same as visiting another household in their garden. You can use their bog. Toilets are one at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: Dickens then through to Victor Gold. 👍 Stratties was great for a game of early morning bus roulette. If the 33 appeared first quickly finish off your pint and off to work. Number 3 and it was another pint. Number 25 and it was Monday session time. Thats a blast from the past . Victor Gold ! Dickens is one place ill probably avoid for a while as its too small and the " clientle" look like the walking dead most of the time. There are usually more people outside smoking than in the pub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said: Is there a time limit as I was chatting with my mate and we weren’t sure? also, does anyone know if when beer gardens open on Monday the toilets of the pub are accessible? I’m asking for a ‘friend’ with the bladder of a weak mouse. Same here. I would get a pint today at the takeway places but cant use their toilets so no good to me. Pub toilets will be open with " stringent " measures apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 12 hours ago, Francis Albert said: I'd say about 50% or more of people wearing masks are unable to avoid touching their masks for more than a few minutes let alone 30 minutes. I have found wearing gloves makes me more conscious of touching my face but dont wear them anymore unless at the shops. Wouldnt wear them in a pub at all. Just take gel with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: Dickens then through to Victor Gold. 👍 Stratties was great for a game of early morning bus roulette. If the 33 appeared first quickly finish off your pint and off to work. Number 3 and it was another pint. Number 25 and it was Monday session time. I recall going to Statties early one morning after an all night session. We ordered the breakfast. She brought it over and one of the sausages fell on the floor she just picked it up and put it back on the plate..Needless to say i still ate it. Edited July 3, 2020 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: People can make them - no need to get expensive ones True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac_fae_Gillie Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Well that's it... I'm back to work on Monday.. BUGGER.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, Mac_fae_Gillie said: Well that's it... I'm back to work on Monday.. BUGGER.. Surely it’s good to get back to normal a bit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: Surely it’s good to get back to normal a bit ? Nah mate. We've all become ADDICTED to phree munney and sitting about in the garden drinking beer with our mates all day. With no masks on, obviously. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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