CJGJ Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-to-invest-in-medical-department-in-response-to-injury-crisis-1-5072902 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) So we're admitting that it wasn't fit for purpose? Medical team oot! Levein helping to make the appointment, that'll go down well. Edited January 9, 2020 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejtee Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 They need confidence that they have the right people orthopaedics and imaging wise in an era of super specialism. This can be harder to sort than some imagine. Possibly good local sports medicine person locally and ready use of bigger centres for tricky cases as regards injuries and review of the rest of the team as regards sports scientists and physio. Good luck and I am unclear as to how Levein will sort this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 We should just buy a ward in the Royal to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Well if levein’s on the case I’m sure it’ll get sorted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Stopped reading as soon as I saw that ****ing leech is helping her out. Just go. The pair of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Yet another reveal of yet another of Levein's awful work as director of football. What on earth was he and his cabal doing if they weren't rigorously assessing transfer targets? Punting on player after player. Scandalous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartley10 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 “I can speak to people separately but I don’t know whether the sports scientist or the physio is correct. Neither does the manager! So, I want someone who has a sports science background and a medical background who can understand all the information and pull it together. We don't half piss a lot of money away on staff btw, how do the other teams cope? We'll have qualified physios and sports scientists but we'll need another senior appointment to make sense of the information. A loans manager doing a job that a sporting director or anybody behind the scenes could be managing. We're not a top half EPL team ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, CJGJ said: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-to-invest-in-medical-department-in-response-to-injury-crisis-1-5072902 She is still praising up her golden boy - sickening! 🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, PaulHartley10 said: “I can speak to people separately but I don’t know whether the sports scientist or the physio is correct. Neither does the manager! So, I want someone who has a sports science background and a medical background who can understand all the information and pull it together. We don't half piss a lot of money away on staff btw, how do the other teams cope? We'll have qualified physios and sports scientists but we'll need another senior appointment to make sense of the information. A loans manager doing a job that a sporting director or anybody behind the scenes could be managing. We're not a top half EPL team ffs. How does our sports science/ medical staff compare in number and cost to similar teams in the league? Say Aberdeen and Hibs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 CL and AB have been around for some time as quoted in that article. Why are the injuries only an issue now? Budge has done a lot of incredibly good things for the club but seems to have let a lot of important areas slide - none more so than the performance of the first team. Our scouting is now being looked at too, possibly another area where Stendel has had a WTF? moment. As DS has already said, the football side of things is not in great shape. CL has had six years to get things right and is still getting another chance. It's beyond laughable now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Hopefully we get this sorted, really has ****ed us. From the start of last season to the cup final to this season. Taking the legs away is an apt description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: She is still praising up her golden boy - sickening! 🤮 I do wonder whether Budge has ever taken any media training. I have no idea whether Levein is well placed or not to lead a review of the medical department, but I do know that Budge could have given this interview without talking up Levein's role in the process. She must have known it is going to alienate lots of the fans (or customers if she prefers) but goes ahead and says it anyway. Maybe because she worked in a business that didn't have significant public focus she never needed to worry about the PR side of business. Hearts could really do with finding someone else the be the 'face' of the club or at least someone to give her some strong advise on what she is saying in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said: I do wonder whether Budge has ever taken any media training. I have no idea whether Levein is well placed or not to lead a review of the medical department, but I do know that Budge could have given this interview without talking up Levein's role in the process. She must have known it is going to alienate lots of the fans (or customers if she prefers) but goes ahead and says it anyway. Maybe because she worked in a business that didn't have significant public focus she never needed to worry about the PR side of business. Hearts could really do with finding someone else the be the 'face' of the club or at least someone to give her some strong advise on what she is saying in public. I really believe AB doesn’t give a shit what the fans think - it’s her way or the highway. She tries to slip in a mention of Levein at every opportunity, in this case praising him, and no PR guy is going to stop her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Everything in that article's an absolute ****ing embarrassment. Basically admitting the medical department hasn't been working properly for over a year and no one did anything about it. How many serious injuries have we had since Levein stopped training the players by the way? And he's the ****er helping solve the medical team's problems?! I know the youth academy isn't going to produce 11 players a year but she's openly confirmed there's only 4 going to make it into the first team? Fantastic motivation. And only NOW are we reviewing our utterly horrendous scouting processes??? I know a lot of fans would agree this is the worst team of the decade, possibly the of the last 20 years, but our scouting should have been reviewed before Budgement day,. And then after Cathro's first summer. And should have been reviewed when he left. And should have been reviewed last January. And in the summer when none of our signings bar Smith were working out. Instead it's now, when we're in a relegation battle because of the shite signed to replace the guys we were missing, because our shite manager and shite medical team were too useless to actually keep any of them fit for more than 2 consecutive matches. I'm very optimistic about a lot of things for us now on and off the pitch, and I'm glad all this is happening, but Jesus Christ almighty it infuriates you seeing how ridiculously badly the football side of the club has been run since Neilson left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, PaulHartley10 said: “I can speak to people separately but I don’t know whether the sports scientist or the physio is correct. Neither does the manager! So, I want someone who has a sports science background and a medical background who can understand all the information and pull it together. We don't half piss a lot of money away on staff btw, how do the other teams cope? We'll have qualified physios and sports scientists but we'll need another senior appointment to make sense of the information. A loans manager doing a job that a sporting director or anybody behind the scenes could be managing. We're not a top half EPL team ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Have we not had the same club doctor for about ten years? Surely it's his responsibility to be in charge of the medical department no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: She is still praising up her golden boy - sickening! 🤮 She is really obsessed with the man. Bizarre imo. 7 bi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigAlim said: Have we not had the same club doctor for about ten years? Surely it's his responsibility to be in charge of the medical department no? He must be training with the reserve docs now and Dr levein is in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The more she speaks, the worse it sounds. Folk say they are dreading fan ownership but it’s honestly got to the stage where half a dozen randoms off the street could do a better job of running the club than the current impostor. Woeful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Good news story about investing in better medical staff is almost immediately spun into a negative. What is wrong with people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, PaulHartley10 said: “I can speak to people separately but I don’t know whether the sports scientist or the physio is correct. Neither does the manager! So, I want someone who has a sports science background and a medical background who can understand all the information and pull it together. We don't half piss a lot of money away on staff btw, how do the other teams cope? We'll have qualified physios and sports scientists but we'll need another senior appointment to make sense of the information. A loans manager doing a job that a sporting director or anybody behind the scenes could be managing. We're not a top half EPL team ffs. So up until now what have they been doing? flipping a coin to decided who's right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Good news story about investing in better medical staff is almost immediately spun into a negative. What is wrong with people! Blinded by hatred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Dave Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Agree with the sentiment that Levein shouldn’t be anywhere near this and the medical setup is a shanbles. However, these aren’t new quotes..... Like the reports on the stand being over budget last week, the press are just quoting what she said at the AGM. Guessing with the winter break they have nothing better to report so are just drip feeding info from a couple of months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesni Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Not sure as it's not my field, but I would assume the sports scientist's objective is to improve player performance, such as acceleration, endurance etc. Doctors/physios may look more towards injury prevention and rehabilitation, so there may be conflict of opinion: performance vs risk of injury. A doctor won't know how to make a player faster, whilst a sports scientist won't understand how to cure an ailment. Are there are individuals who have medical and sport science backgrounds and therefore qualified to weigh up the arguments on both sides? I will assume so if the club have identified the need for one. Though not sure if this is common place in clubs or if it is seen as an upgrade on a more traditional model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Adam_the_legend said: Well if levein’s on the case I’m sure it’ll get sorted... Craig: 'thanks for turning up Dr Frankenstein, let me show you where to put your bag'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, graygo said: Blinded by hatred. Coming from someone who was blind to the unfolding disaster of Levein’s time as head coach that is a bit rich! Edited January 10, 2020 by Thomaso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Good news story about investing in better medical staff is almost immediately spun into a negative. What is wrong with people! Maybe AB making a point of bumming up Levein was the kiss of death to very many Hearts fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Coming from someone who was blind to the unfolding disaster of Levein’s time as head coach that is a bit rich! Not a bit rich at all, I'm not blinded by hatred of anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, graygo said: Not a bit rich at all, I'm not blinded by hatred of anybody. Not blinded by hate but you are blind to the total shambles created by Levein - but bash on with your excuses for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 How exactly does the medical side of a football club operate anyway? Are positions like Club Doctor, Sports Scientist and Physiotherapist full time or are they likely to be consultants and freelancers? If the latter I can see benefit in having someone overviewing that segment of the club on a permanent basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Not blinded by hate but you are blind to the total shambles created by Levein - but bash on with your excuses for him. What excuses? He's gone, I'm happy that he is gone. I wish he was completely gone but accept that he is fulfilling a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 So we've had DS call the standard of professionalism at the club into question. Players come out with wee digs about being coached properly. Senior players training when they can be arsed. Now we have this. The club has obviously been run like a part time side. What a riddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Good news is that they are being proactive... Bad news is it took them two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BigAlim said: How exactly does the medical side of a football club operate anyway? Are positions like Club Doctor, Sports Scientist and Physiotherapist full time or are they likely to be consultants and freelancers? If the latter I can see benefit in having someone overviewing that segment of the club on a permanent basis . Edited January 10, 2020 by Hearts007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 As I said before on another thread - The more I find out what has been happening for the last few seasons, makes me understand why we are bottom of the League. Every aspect of the Football club has been shambolic under the Director of Football Craig Levein. And Ann Budge turns to the Culprit to fix it? You could not make it up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Maybe AB making a point of bumming up Levein was the kiss of death to very many Hearts fans! Is this like when Robbie said the wrong thing and folk used that as a main reason to want him out. Bet they feel stupid now, just as anyone who thinks we'll find a better owner than Budge overnight will when we get some suit in charge with no feeling for the club. Edited January 10, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Look, I try no to be ****ing rude but has the woman had a severe ****ing head knock or something? STOP ASKING CRAIG LEVEIN FOR ADVICE. STOP ASKING CRAIG LEVEIN FOR HELP. STOP LETTING CRAIG LEVEIN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ****ING CLUB FULL ****ING STOP. IS THIS GETTING INTO YOUR SKULL? Jesus ****ing christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, SpruceBringsteen said: Look, I try no to be ****ing rude but has the woman had a severe ****ing head knock or something? STOP ASKING CRAIG LEVEIN FOR ADVICE. STOP ASKING CRAIG LEVEIN FOR HELP. STOP LETTING CRAIG LEVEIN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ****ING CLUB FULL ****ING STOP. IS THIS GETTING INTO YOUR SKULL? Jesus ****ing christ. ^^^^^^^ Gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Ann does herself no favours by mentioning Craig. She needs someone to manage her statements better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Ann does herself no favours by mentioning Craig. She needs someone to manage her statements better. Oh come on. It's amusing and keeps the JKB medical team/Mods gainfully employed 😀😀😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNelly15 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Disco Dave said: Agree with the sentiment that Levein shouldn’t be anywhere near this and the medical setup is a shanbles. However, these aren’t new quotes..... Like the reports on the stand being over budget last week, the press are just quoting what she said at the AGM. Guessing with the winter break they have nothing better to report so are just drip feeding info from a couple of months ago. Spot on amigo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 She’s desperately trying to do her best and is obviously stung by the amateur comment. I don’t think it was a mistake she praised Craig as he’ll be kept on in the youth set up. Why not research clubs who have low injury rates and see what they do? 🤷🏻♂️ All seems a bit lax and makes you wonder if guys like Mitch and the bloke from Hamilton who criticise Ann could do a better job running the show. At least plenty of questions internally would have been getting asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Ann does herself no favours by mentioning Craig. She needs someone to manage her statements better. Careful Dave. That was almost critical.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 And many on here continually insisted it was bad luck, and criticised those who suggested different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: She is still praising up her golden boy - sickening! 🤮 It is. He must be the most thought of sacked person ever. Why is he even still here? This is another area, he was responsible for, and failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, SpruceBringsteen said: Look, I try no to be ****ing rude but has the woman had a severe ****ing head knock or something? STOP ASKING CRAIG LEVEIN FOR ADVICE. STOP ASKING CRAIG LEVEIN FOR HELP. STOP LETTING CRAIG LEVEIN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ****ING CLUB FULL ****ING STOP. IS THIS GETTING INTO YOUR SKULL? Jesus ****ing christ. Abso****inglutely Happy New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Des Lynam said: She’s desperately trying to do her best and is obviously stung by the amateur comment. I don’t think it was a mistake she praised Craig as he’ll be kept on in the youth set up. Why not research clubs who have low injury rates and see what they do? 🤷🏻♂️ All seems a bit lax and makes you wonder if guys like Mitch and the bloke from Hamilton who criticise Ann could do a better job running the show. At least plenty of questions internally would have been getting asked. Maybe CL could ask his pal Cathro what Wolves do, they have extremely few injuries, he’s due us a favour after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 It’s almost like she is trying to say that Levein didn’t know who to believe about the injuries, like it wasn’t his fault or his job to sort it out. He probably told her that though. Can any person in history that has cost his employer so much money, been such an disorganised disaster, be so hated by its customers, still be working for the company 🤔🤷🏾♂️? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhelen Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 hours ago, BigAlim said: How exactly does the medical side of a football club operate anyway? Are positions like Club Doctor, Sports Scientist and Physiotherapist full time or are they likely to be consultants and freelancers? If the latter I can see benefit in having someone overviewing that segment of the club on a permanent basis I would be surprised if club dr is a full time role but sports scientists/physiotherapists are. At Barnsley we recently recruited for a sports scientist for the academies for example There are tons loads of people doing the degree nowadays so there is a ready pool to pick from and wages seem to be low regarding what qualifications/experience they expect you to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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