Budge should leave at the end of the season

[Bull's-eye]

When it's time for Mrs B to move on them I'm sure she will, she won't be moved on by the Moon Howlers on here or anywhere else on social media, only the Moon Howlers fail to see that.

 

The overwhelming evidence is there for all to see and the more the man-babies froth, grizzle and tantrum the more she digs those high heels in. 

 

 

 

 

[sandylejambo]

I don't want her to go., she saved my club when no one else would/could, she has taken our budget to the next level and been in charge over the reconstruction  of the ground, however, you know that saying "the manager has taken us as far as he could" that might apply here, I don't want to take the chance, you might get a right arse. or you could get Steve jobs.

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

33 minutes ago, Noah Claypole said:

When it's time for Mrs B to move on them I'm sure she will, she won't be moved on by the Moon Howlers on here or anywhere else on social media, only the Moon Howlers fail to see that.

 

The overwhelming evidence is there for all to see and the more the man-babies froth, grizzle and tantrum the more she digs those high heels in. 

 

 

 

 

Do you think the team are in trouble? And has that side of the club been well managed?

[Bull's-eye]

3 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Do you think the team are in trouble? And has that side of the club been well managed?

 

No.

The team was badly managed.

 

Happens everywhere, manager change looks great. 

 

Move on. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Just now, Noah Claypole said:

 

No.

The team was badly managed.

 

Happens everywhere, manager change looks great. 

 

Move on. 

Manager change does look great. Very happy with Stendel.

 

I don’t think it’s that simple though.

[Sid]

2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I don’t doubt that she does have the club’s interests at heart. But her recent management has been appalling and she needs to pass on control.

 

FOH is about to buy the club. There’s no reason why Ann should remain in charge. There are countless avenues out there to bring in new directors and executives. 

recent management : -

 

1.  Removing Levein from his role as Manager

2.  Appointing Stendel in face of very challenging contractual issues. 
 

tick which one(s) of these are “appalling”. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

20 minutes ago, Sid said:

recent management : -

 

1.  Removing Levein from his role as Manager

2.  Appointing Stendel in face of very challenging contractual issues. 
 

tick which one(s) of these are “appalling”. 

3. Allowing the Levein situation to fester to the point where we were bottom of the league

4. point blank refusing to remove any of those responsible for the mess from the club

5. wasting a cup semi final and throwing away point after point with McPhee as caretaker

 

Tick, tick, tick.

[Getintaethem]

  I've been a big critic of Levien over the last year and a half, so much so that I didn't renew my season ticket for the first time in nearly 15 years this season.  He was one of the best players I've ever seen in a Hearts jersey, but I just didn't agree or believe in his vision for the club.  However, I do think he done a lot of good things during our time in and coming out of administration.  I think Ann could see that too, hence her loyalty towards him.  Unfortunately when it was obvious to many that Levien's vision for the future was damaging the club, her appreciation and loyalty to him made her delay the decision to remove him from his position far too long.  We are paying the price for that now.  Ann has publicly admitted her mistake.  I believe she has made a good choice in Stendel, and will find the money to help him rebuild the squad.

 

  As far as the stand is concerned, yes it's massively over budget, however it's been a monumental achievement.  It's secured our future in Gorgie and I believe we are yet to see the full financial benefit that it will bring to the club.  The facilities will also help in attracting better players to the club.  Even though around £20m has been poured into the stadium, we are still posting a profit.  People will say that this is down to benefactors, but surely Ann Budge deserves credit for bringing the extra money from these benefactors into the club.  The fact that we've increase our turnover from £8m to around £15m under her tenure is also a mark of the benefits she has brought to the club.

 

  A lot of people will point to the lack of atmosphere in the ground.  While I feel she could have done more in this area (introducing safe standing, more discussions with supporters clubs).  I don't necessarily agree that her stance on sectarianism has damaged the atmosphere.  I put that down to the negative style of play adopted by Levien.  Once we start winning games again the atmosphere will get better.

 

  Ann won't be around for ever, but when the FOH do take over, it would make business sense for her to have a role at the club for the initial couple of years.  Overall her legacy will be a positive one.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Getintaethem

[FarmerTweedy]

On 18/12/2019 at 23:34, Fudder74 said:

Ahhhh man. Don’t let it do that to you.

That’s mental talk.

it makes you sound like a tit.

Pornstar proportions.

 

Every single post he ever makes on jkb makes him sound like a tit! There's a fairly obvious explanation for that!

[Sid]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

3. Allowing the Levein situation to fester to the point where we were bottom of the league

4. point blank refusing to remove any of those responsible for the mess from the club

5. wasting a cup semi final and throwing away point after point with McPhee as caretaker

 

Tick, tick, tick.

You haven’t ticked or crossed one or two. 

Point 3. I think we all agree he should have been removed earlier.  Even Ann has publicly accepted this is the case. So I would give that a tick. 

Point 4.  Choice was pay salaries until end of contract and put them on garden leave, or pay a lump sum to get rid immediately or continue to pay them and get some money-worth from them by finding them duties they can carry out totally divorced from the first team area. My Choice, reluctantly is the third option. 
Point 5. I take it you are in the camp of get rid of old manager, panic that the sky is falling in and appoint the first available manager as the most appropriate long term solution. If that’s the case a very big tick for that. If you think the best thing to do is look more longer term, identify your best target. If there are challenges, don’t panic. Keep at it and get the right man in, then it’s a cross. 5 is a cross for me. 
overall, out of these 5, 1/5 to me doesn’t merit an overall mark of appalling. 
but can see where total panic merchants may have a different view. 

[Coburg Hearts]

2 hours ago, Getintaethem said:

  I've been a big critic of Levien over the last year and a half, so much so that I didn't renew my season ticket for the first time in nearly 15 years this season.  He was one of the best players I've ever seen in a Hearts jersey, but I just didn't agree or believe in his vision for the club.  However, I do think he done a lot of good things during our time in and coming out of administration.  I think Ann could see that too, hence her loyalty towards him.  Unfortunately when it was obvious to many that Levien's vision for the future was damaging the club, her appreciation and loyalty to him made her delay the decision to remove him from his position far too long.  We are paying the price for that now.  Ann has publicly admitted her mistake.  I believe she has made a good choice in Stendel, and will find the money to help him rebuild the squad.

 

  As far as the stand is concerned, yes it's massively over budget, however it's been a monumental achievement.  It's secured our future in Gorgie and I believe we are yet to see the full financial benefit that it will bring to the club.  The facilities will also help in attracting better players to the club.  Even though around £20m has been poured into the stadium, we are still posting a profit.  People will say that this is down to benefactors, but surely Ann Budge deserves credit for bringing the extra money from these benefactors into the club.  The fact that we've increase our turnover from £8m to around £15m under her tenure is also a mark of the benefits she has brought to the club.

 

  A lot of people will point to the lack of atmosphere in the ground.  While I feel she could have done more in this area (introducing safe standing, more discussions with supporters clubs).  I don't necessarily agree that her stance on sectarianism has damaged the atmosphere.  I put that down to the negative style of play adopted by Levien.  Once we start winning games again the atmosphere will get better.

 

  Ann won't be around for ever, but when the FOH do take over, it would make business sense for her to have a role at the club for the initial couple of years.  Overall her legacy will be a positive one.

I wish more people had your thought processes. Excellent post.

[Under the floodlight]

Arsenal have just appointed new manager after 3 weeks, Bayern Munich still to appoint manager after almost 7 weeks, both with vast resources, I think Anne did well to get DS in in the time she state,d considering the obstacle's  she had to overcome.

[Sid]

7 minutes ago, Under the floodlight said:

Arsenal have just appointed new manager after 3 weeks, Bayern Munich still to appoint manager after almost 7 weeks, both with vast resources, I think Anne did well to get DS in in the time she state,d considering the obstacle's  she had to overcome.

Nope. She should have listened to kickback, wet her pants and appointed first person to make it to the manager’s office in a straight sprint. 

[Under the floodlight]

1 minute ago, Sid said:

Nope. She should have listened to kickback, wet her pants and appointed first person to make it to the manager’s office in a straight sprint. 

Or contacted BBC Sportsound and consulted them on who they would find appropriate.

[John mcCartney]

1 hour ago, Sid said:

 I take it you are in the camp of get rid of old manager, panic that the sky is falling in and appoint the first available manager as the most appropriate long term solution.

let yourself down there chief,please dont go about supposing when the oppo is probably the case just to suit your agenda on
punters who have contrasting views to yourself.

[GinRummy]

50 minutes ago, Sid said:

Nope. She should have listened to kickback, wet her pants and appointed first person to make it to the manager’s office in a straight sprint. 

Alternatively she could have had a manager in place sooner by looking for a replacement for Levein months before he left.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

2 hours ago, Sid said:

You haven’t ticked or crossed one or two. 

Point 3. I think we all agree he should have been removed earlier.  Even Ann has publicly accepted this is the case. So I would give that a tick. 

Point 4.  Choice was pay salaries until end of contract and put them on garden leave, or pay a lump sum to get rid immediately or continue to pay them and get some money-worth from them by finding them duties they can carry out totally divorced from the first team area. My Choice, reluctantly is the third option. 
Point 5. I take it you are in the camp of get rid of old manager, panic that the sky is falling in and appoint the first available manager as the most appropriate long term solution. If that’s the case a very big tick for that. If you think the best thing to do is look more longer term, identify your best target. If there are challenges, don’t panic. Keep at it and get the right man in, then it’s a cross. 5 is a cross for me. 
overall, out of these 5, 1/5 to me doesn’t merit an overall mark of appalling. 
but can see where total panic merchants may have a different view. 

Total panic merchants = people who are concerned about our woeful team

[Sid]

11 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Total panic merchants = people who are concerned about our woeful team

Complete the tick box game then we can all see what your views are based on facts. Alternatively, very difficult to exclude you from the total panic merchant category. 

[Sid]

1 hour ago, John mcCartney said:

let yourself down there chief,please dont go about supposing when the oppo is probably the case just to suit your agenda on
punters who have contrasting views to yourself.

I accept anyone’s view if they are prepared to explain their view against the facts. 
someone says someone has been appalling, I think it’s reasonable to look at their overall performance over the period, not take one (very important) area and decide appalling is the right description. I’ve tried to list the recent actions she has delivered on and ask for each of them to be considered against the description of appalling. So far, these points have not been commented on so difficult to accept the overall description of appalling. That’s all. 
I’ve no agenda except to challenge unfounded blanket negative statements about the person who saved and Re-built our club. We all know and accept Levein stayed in place too long. Don’t think that merits a description of appalling or any of the other wild statements about her. 

[graygo]

8 hours ago, Jambothump said:

Why would she have to declare it ?

 

 

She owns the club, any related party would have to be declared in the accounts.

She has given us 100% guarantees that the benefactors (plural) have absolutely no say in how the club is run.

[GinRummy]

38 minutes ago, Sid said:

I accept anyone’s view if they are prepared to explain their view against the facts. 
someone says someone has been appalling, I think it’s reasonable to look at their overall performance over the period, not take one (very important) area and decide appalling is the right description. I’ve tried to list the recent actions she has delivered on and ask for each of them to be considered against the description of appalling. So far, these points have not been commented on so difficult to accept the overall description of appalling. That’s all. 
I’ve no agenda except to challenge unfounded blanket negative statements about the person who saved and Re-built our club. We all know and accept Levein stayed in place too long. Don’t think that merits a description of appalling or any of the other wild statements about her. 

Regarding your last sentence. She allowed Levein to drag us into relegation territory despite all the warning signs last season and despite the 20 signings last year, she also allowed him to bring more expensive signings (wages wise) this summer.

 

I’d say, for a football club, that’s appalling leadership. Absolutely dreadful. 
 

I don’t want her to leave and think she can rectify her mistakes but we’re a football club and her football related decisions have been poor.

[Sid]

9 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Regarding your last sentence. She allowed Levein to drag us into relegation territory despite all the warning signs last season and despite the 20 signings last year, she also allowed him to bring more expensive signings (wages wise) this summer.

 

I’d say, for a football club, that’s appalling leadership. Absolutely dreadful. 
 

I don’t want her to leave and think she can rectify her mistakes but we’re a football club and her football related decisions have been poor.

Which of these players would you, (in advance), have been against us signing : - 

1.  Naismith

2.  Halkett

3.  Meshino

4.  Pierra 

and which of the players should we not have offloaded?  

I wouldn’t call that dreadful. 

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Sid said:

Which of these players would you, (in advance), have been against us signing : - 

1.  Naismith

2.  Halkett

3.  Meshino

4.  Pierra 

and which of the players should we not have offloaded?  

I wouldn’t call that dreadful. 

Get last seasons signings in a list and we’ll discuss it as a whole. Craig Levein wasn’t judged on this season alone so there’s no point you posting the parts that suit your viewpoint and me posting the parts that suit mine.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

If Budge is guilty of anything it's trying to do too much too quickly. Promotion. Back challenging. Stand. Pitch. FHA handover. Academy makeover. Ambitious and mostly untested in Scotland Dof/head coach succession model. She could have focused on the team and left the stand for her successor. She could have gone for a basic pitch redo. She could have appointed tried and tested Scottish managers (well she did once and look how that turned out).

 

Underneath everything, one thing that is surely not up for debate is that Budge and Levein have worked their arses off trying to benefit Hearts, in both cases I'm going to guess putting in far more hours than they were getting back financially. Levein's salary for doing two high profile jobs for example seems less than a Killie or Dundee Utd manager can expect to earn. In fact wouldn't be surprised if Robbie Neilson has been getting paid more for managing D Utd in the Championship than Levein was getting for two jobs with us.

 

She's admitted she made mistakes with managerial appointments. What owner hasn't though? Then look what happens when she spends time trying to get the next one right - abuse from left, right and centre. I think she'll leave of her own accord and we might struggle to replace her like we did with Neilson. Could be another case of be careful what you wish for.

 

Some folk will just never learn.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[Adam_the_legend]

4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Get last seasons signings in a list and we’ll discuss it as a whole. Craig Levein wasn’t judged on this season alone so there’s no point you posting the parts that suit your viewpoint and me posting the parts that suit mine.

But how’s he supposed to win the argument if he doesn’t weight it in his favour? 🤔🤪

[Sid]

5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Get last seasons signings in a list and we’ll discuss it as a whole. Craig Levein wasn’t judged on this season alone so there’s no point you posting the parts that suit your viewpoint and me posting the parts that suit mine.

So we forget recent and have a different discussion. Great move. 

[GinRummy]

Just now, Sid said:

So we forget recent and have a different discussion. Great move. 

Last season was recent. We still have a lot of the signings from then. I’m not making any moves just looking for a fair discussion. Picking and choosing facts isn’t fair. Let’s lay it all out there. Picking 4 signings from this summer is hardly the whole story.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Last season was recent. We still have a lot of the signings from then. I’m not making any moves just looking for a fair discussion. Picking and choosing facts isn’t fair. Let’s lay it all out there. Picking 4 signings from this summer is hardly the whole story.

 

Are we judging Levein's record here, or just signings?  Either way, the worst injury crisis I can remember any Scottish team of our level having in 30 years needs to be factored in. It is partly - arguably largely - responsible for both results and the fact that we made more signings than we usually would which inevitably means more perceived failures.

 

I was against his appointment as manager from the start but backed him in the job and thought he should have done much better than he did, even with the injuries. I was convinced he had the experience to turn things around but he seemed to have lost whatever it was that originally made him an effective manager. However, when analysing his record the injuries are a factor. Just like they are when looking at Stendel's first couple of games in terms of players he would no doubt love to pick - Naismith, Washington, Souttar, Haring - but can't.

Edited December 20, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[annushorribilis III]

10 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

But how’s he supposed to win the argument if he doesn’t weight it in his favour? 🤔🤪

😁

[annushorribilis III]

2 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Are we judging Levein's record here, or just signings?  Either way, the worst injury crisis I can remember any Scottish team of our level having in 30 years needs to be factored in. It is partly responsible for both results and the fact that we made more signings than we usually would which inevitably means more perceived failures.

 

I was against his appointment as manager from the start but backed him in the job and thought he should have done much better than he did, even with the injuries. However, when analysing his record the injuries are a factor. Just like they are when looking at Stendel's first couple of games in terms of players he would no doubt love to pick - Naismith, Washington, Souttar, Haring - but can't.

He was in charge of  a bunch of coaches (his appointees) who have proved totally incapable of motivating/organising a team to get anything resembling results for a year : numerous abysmal performances against the poorest teams in the division (and who can forget the league Cup fiasco this year ).  

 

But you still cling to "injuries". 

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

Just now, annushorribilis III said:

He was in charge of  a bunch of coaches (his appointees) who have proved totally incapable of motivating/organising a team to get anything resembling results for a year : numerous abysmal performances against the poorest teams in the division (and who can forget the league Cup fiasco this year ).  

 

But you still cling to "injuries". 

 

 

 

Not clinging to anything. Saying you have to factor them in to any analysis of the last two seasons, and indeed the rest of this season under Stendel. Or at least until January when he can make some signings.

[GinRummy]

Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

Are we judging Levein's record here, or just signings?  Either way, the worst injury crisis I can remember any Scottish team of our level having in 30 years needs to be factored in. It is partly responsible for both results and the fact that we made more signings than we usually would which inevitably means more perceived failures.

 

I was against his appointment as manager from the start but backed him in the job and thought he should have done much better than he did, even with the injuries. However, when analysing his record the injuries are a factor. Just like they are when looking at Stendel's first couple of games in terms of players he would no doubt love to pick - Naismith, Washington, Souttar, Haring - but can't.

I’m not saying they weren’t a factor. Similarly they were not the only factor. I admire Mrs Budge and if she (perhaps Craig’s biggest ally) believed them to be the only factor then she wouldn’t have bowed to fan pressure and he’d still be manager.

 

An unprovable argument can be made that our collapse in form can be tracked back to Naisy’s injury in last seasons LC semi. If one man can make the difference to such an extent in a poor league what does that say about the other 19 signings CL made last season. 
 

The signings have been terrible, the results have been terrible, the football has been terrible and it was allowed to carry on far far too long. It’s indefensible. She screwed up good and proper by staying loyal to Levein.

 

In saying all that, despite the enormity of her mistake, she’s new to football, was sucked in by CL and I want her to stay because I fully expect her to have learned from her mistake.

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

6 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

I’m not saying they weren’t a factor. Similarly they were not the only factor. I admire Mrs Budge and if she (perhaps Craig’s biggest ally) believed them to be the only factor then she wouldn’t have bowed to fan pressure and he’d still be manager.

 

An unprovable argument can be made that our collapse in form can be tracked back to Naisy’s injury in last seasons LC semi. If one man can make the difference to such an extent in a poor league what does that say about the other 19 signings CL made last season. 
 

The signings have been terrible, the results have been terrible, the football has been terrible and it was allowed to carry on far far too long. It’s indefensible. She screwed up good and proper by staying loyal to Levein.

 

In saying all that, despite the enormity of her mistake, she’s new to football, was sucked in by CL and I want her to stay because I fully expect her to have learned from her mistake.

 

 

 

He's not just a typical player is he. Take out the best player (in our case best by a long way) from any team and they'll suffer. Take out Cosgrove and Morales for example from Aberdeen and Rangers - are they one man teams? Or look what happened when Liverpool lost Salah early in the CL final they lost a couple of years back? You knew Liverpool wouldn't win that game even with all their other great players - you could see it affect the other players.

 

That's what happened to us that day and then we just lost momentum and very important players started dropping like flies. It should be possible to both say Levein did a terrible job and acknowledge the extent of the injuries. Already Stendel is saying we need Naismith back.

Edited December 20, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

1 hour ago, Sid said:

Complete the tick box game then we can all see what your views are based on facts. Alternatively, very difficult to exclude you from the total panic merchant category. 

The first two points you raised were valid but it’s typical of the see-no-evil attitude of the likes of yourself that you failed to offer any context about how those decisions came about the absolute mess that Stendel has inherited.

 

People on here have been telling us for months that it’s all in hand. I honestly wonder what I’ll take for them to be duly embarrassed about how wrong they’ve been.

[Boab]

Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

He's not just a typical player is he. Take out the best player (in our case best by a long way) from any team and they'll suffer. Take out Cosgrove and Morales for example from Aberdeen and Rangers - are they one man teams? Or look what happened when Liverpool lost Salah early in the CL final they lost a couple of years back? You knew Liverpool wouldn't win that game even with all their other great players - you could see it affect the other players.

 

That's what happened to us that day and then we just lost momentum and very important players started dropping like flies. It should be possible to both say Levein did a terrible job and acknowledge the extent of the injuries. Already Stendel is saying we need Naismith back.

I hope I’m very wrong but I can’t see a sustained period of time that Naismith will be back and playing well.

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

Just now, Boab said:

I hope I’m very wrong but I can’t see a sustained period of time that Naismith will be back and playing well.

 

 

Hopefully you're wrong. He was the best player in the league when he got injured at that time though.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

He's not just a typical player is he. Take out the best player (in our case best by a long way) from any team and they'll suffer. Look what happened when Liverpool lost Salah early in the CL final they lost a couple of years back? You knew Liverpool wouldn't win that game even with all their other great players - you could see it affect the other players. That's what happened to us that day and then we just lost momentum and very important players started dropping like flies. It should be possible to both say Levein did a terrible job and acknowledge the extent of the injuries. Already Stendel is saying we need Naismith back.

Don’t disagree with much of that. What I would add, which doesn’t contradict what you say, is CL did not get the best out of the players available last season. The warning signs were plain for all to see. The amount of failures in the players he signed last season were plain to see. This was accepted or ignored by AB which was a serious error on her part. He should have gone last season and the fact he was allowed to start this season has cost us dear. 
 

 

[Boab]

Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

Hopefully you're wrong. He was the best player in the league when he got injured at that time though.

A huge loss !

I’d be delighted to be very wrong but have a bad feeling about the lad, injury wise.

[ford donald]

On 04/12/2019 at 22:03, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

Nah. Levein was the problem and she punted him. She deserves huge credit if she gets Stendel over the line.

 

 

Punted him far too late, No excuses for that.

[Boab]

Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

He's not just a typical player is he. Take out the best player (in our case best by a long way) from any team and they'll suffer. Take out Cosgrove and Morales for example from Aberdeen and Rangers - are they one man teams? Or look what happened when Liverpool lost Salah early in the CL final they lost a couple of years back? You knew Liverpool wouldn't win that game even with all their other great players - you could see it affect the other players.

 

That's what happened to us that day and then we just lost momentum and very important players started dropping like flies. It should be possible to both say Levein did a terrible job and acknowledge the extent of the injuries. Already Stendel is saying we need Naismith back.

To add to the Naismith loss for us, wee grumpy chops, Morelos, is missing tonight so a good game to gauge how sevco  do without him.

[annushorribilis III]

20 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Not clinging to anything. Saying you have to factor them in to any analysis of the last two seasons, and indeed the rest of this season under Stendel. Or at least until January when he can make some signings.

You are , you go on about it relentlessly. 

He was not sacked because of injuries - you need to accept that and move on. And I'd go as far to say , if AB hadn't been firefighting in getting the new stand shambles sorted he would have been out on his arse even sooner.

 

I won't be judging Stendel on injuries or not but what he can get out of this dire squad, maybe/hopefully with  a couple of desperately needed signings in January. 

 

I don't know why you go on about the "last two seasons" - AB gave CL a free pass on last season but she didn't fall for his nonsense when it became apparent even to her that the team  was going nowhere.  Like  I say, the warning signs were there in the League Cup games - a total embarrassment - and it got worse. Much worse. 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

18 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Don’t disagree with much of that. What I would add, which doesn’t contradict what you say, is CL did not get the best out of the players available last season. The warning signs were plain for all to see. The amount of failures in the players he signed last season were plain to see. This was accepted or ignored by AB which was a serious error on her part. He should have gone last season and the fact he was allowed to start this season has cost us dear. 
 

 

 

Agreed. Levein had lost whatever it was that made him a good manager. Funnily enough I wouldn't;t be surprised to see him pitch up at Raith or somewhere and do a great job. But for whatever reason - the dual role, injuries, health, lack of motivation, stuck in his ways - he made a mess of things even considering the injuries. I do feel sorry for him after the start we made a couple of seasons ago before all the injuries hit though.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

5 minutes ago, Boab said:

To add to the Naismith loss for us, wee grumpy chops, Morelos, is missing tonight so a good game to gauge how sevco  do without him.

 

It probably wasn't the best example as they have a multi million pound striker in reserve! Imagine Aberdeen without Cosgrove though!

[Guest ToqueJambo]

1 minute ago, annushorribilis III said:

You are , you go on about it relentlessly. 

He was not sacked because of injuries - you need to accept that and move on. And I'd go as far to say , if AB hadn't been firefighting in getting the new stand shambles sorted he would have been out on his arse even sooner.

 

I won't be judging Stendel on injuries or not but what he can get out of this dire squad, maybe/hopefully with  a couple of desperately needed signings in January. 

 

I don't know why you go on about the "last two seasons" - AB gave CL a free pass on last season but she didn't fall for his nonsense when it became apparent even to her that the team  was going nowhere.  Like  I say, the warning signs were there in the League Cup games - a total embarrassment - and it got worse. Much worse. 

 

 

We've got anew manager. Get over it.

Edited December 20, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[luckydug]

1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

Regarding your last sentence. She allowed Levein to drag us into relegation territory despite all the warning signs last season and despite the 20 signings last year, she also allowed him to bring more expensive signings (wages wise) this summer.

 

I’d say, for a football club, that’s appalling leadership. Absolutely dreadful. 
 

I don’t want her to leave and think she can rectify her mistakes but we’re a football club and her football related decisions have been poor.

Fair comment but I suppose the big question is, would we be better off without Mrs Budge at the helm  ?

I think we would be worse off, much worse off.

[Boab]

5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

It probably wasn't the best example as they have a multi million pound striker in reserve! Imagine Aberdeen without Cosgrove though!

 Yip. Probably a better comparison in fairness.

[annushorribilis III]

1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

We've got anew manager. Get over it.

Get over it ?

 I was delighted the day it was announced and  I've posted next to nothing on the matter since. 

Unlike you who still harks on about injuries , injuries, injuries. 

[GinRummy]

38 minutes ago, luckydug said:

Fair comment but I suppose the big question is, would we be better off without Mrs Budge at the helm  ?

I think we would be worse off, much worse off.

I think we’d probably be worse off as well. 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

 

Cathro

Levien 

Forgot seats

Stand delay and overspend 

Contracts for family

Doesn’t speak up for and is quick to judge Hearts supporters

Sanctioned horrific signings

 

Saved us when we needed money which is probably always going to trump everything else.

 

I think we’d be better with someone else to take us forward now though 

 

 

[upgotheheads]

5 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

 

Cathro

Levien 

Forgot seats...……………………………………..         no she didn't

Stand delay and overspend...……………………     Gies a break

Contracts for family...……………………………….     who?

Doesn’t speak up for and is quick to judge Hearts supporters...…………………   She speaks up for supporters but not A*******s

Sanctioned horrific signings...……………………..      she employs people to do that and then backs them, sometimes mistakenly, then admits it.

 

Saved us when we needed money which is probably always going to trump everything else...…… YAAAAAS

 

I think we’d be better with someone else to take us forward now though...……………………….. Who?