jake Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Governor Tarkin said: Tosh can't help himself, Jake. As his internet confidence has grown he's gone from enderingly stupid to tedious af (but still stupid). Hes bang out of order. Talks utter shite then when pulled twists and turns . Was a bit nipped at some comments but his is the cherry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I've seen the clip on twitter and there's absolutely no way you can tell what the boy is shouting. Looks like another example of people online making shit up trying to get folk into trouble to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, sadj said: You could see the reaction if two or three on the camera when he scored and it made me wonder what comments were made alongside their gestures. Hopefully whoever it was its dealt with quickly and properly. If it's based on that wee vidoe the hun ***** posted on twitter then there's no danger anyone can conclude that the boy was shouting anything racist. Hearts want to be seen to be doing something and that's all to the good, but this chap should be innocent until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Tosh can't help himself, Jake. As his internet confidence has grown he's gone from enderingly stupid to tedious af (but still stupid). I’m glad you can understand them, bud. Most are a feckin riddle to me ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 In the current climate? Why are there so many utter twats in our support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 If its proved to be correct then it has to be dealt with. Haven't seen anything anywhere about the drink landing on the pitch at the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Jammy T said: In the current climate? Why are there so many utter twats in our support? You party to the proof, Jammy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Lord BJ said: That’s the thing of course it makes no sense. However, when people do these things, they are so wound up, that all sense and logic goes out the window. People don’t think rationally it’s anger/frustration that takes over. When people attack others they go for vocabulary that is designed to antagonise, belief in the insults isn’t all that important. I have said some horrible things to the missus at various points in my life, didn’t mean a word of it but still said it. That is not an attempt to justify the actions, just a explanation that logic isn’t a root of these things. Some folk are defo tools, though we are all tools at some point and most certainly all tools to others. As you and I often prove 😉 The club will deal with it and take action they feel appropriate. People will need to train themselves to think of more imaginative insults than you ‘black *******’ undoubtably some will find it difficult for a whole manner of reasons. I see myself more of a tit or a weapon tbh. Not a tool. Maybe a *****. You've Said Horrible things to your missus, how could you... She's lovely 😘. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: He's naw even black, is he? Isn't he? I mean, he's as brown as many "black" people. Is black a euphemism for African and no one's told me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, HeartOfWestLothian said: Don't you DARE defend or justify racism or racist comments on here. He never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Agreed but two wrongs etc. Not sure what the answer to Rangers fans singing is other than to refuse to sell them tickets. Would solve the problem but costs a lot of money. Personally I’d take the financial hit and ban them next time. No tickets at all. Allow them back for first game next season and if they sing the songs again, no tickets for next game and so on. They are thick but they would eventually get it. Similar issue with away fans fans in home seats. Heard from mates today of a fair few away fans in hospitality but not ejected. Hospitality is in the home stands so should only be home fans. Guys in there today wearing Rangers ties etc. Yeah I heard a few folk were going to do that too. Is hospitality strictly home fans?? I don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jammy T said: In the current climate? Why are there so many utter twats in our support? Is it because some twats like football? or is it they like football in colder weather ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS' Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 If he has reduced some arsehole to racist taunts, then he has won, but then they won't be able to process that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Inconclusive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Smithee said: Isn't he? I mean, he's as brown as many "black" people. Is black a euphemism for African and no one's told me? I dunno, I wouldn't call him black n he's not African so Ive no idea. He's more Latin to me. He's also a wee niggly *******. I've no idea tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Smithee said: Isn't he? I mean, he's as brown as many "black" people. Is black a euphemism for African and no one's told me? If it was up to me I'd abolish the term altogether. It's not particularly useful imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Italian Lambretta said: Probably just called him a 'coke snorting *******'. 27 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: If it's based on that wee vidoe the hun ***** posted on twitter then there's no danger anyone can conclude that the boy was shouting anything racist. Hearts want to be seen to be doing something and that's all to the good, but this chap should be innocent until proven otherwise. indeed , should of ended my post by saying. “If the person was guilty of anything” Wasn’t trying to say he was guilty. Just the reactions suggested there would be a chance something was said or alleged to be said. I hadn’t seen the video until a minute ago , however if thats what the claim is based on then 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Koolkeith said: Inconclusive I hate this part (and many other parts tbf) of social media. He's saying that like it's fact and folk will just go along with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, HeartOfWestLothian said: Don't you DARE defend or justify racism or racist comments on here. And when did @ramrod do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ93 said: Words are words. Wouldn't get overly emotional about it as people just tend to be tribal at games. It is unpleasant but so is being called out for your nationality, hair colour (if you are ginger, for instance) and if you are a lineswoman. Not condoning but just saying that it should be treated the same as the other types of abuse - be it with a pinch of salt or great condemnation - and not isolated on its own. Awful post. You'd maybe have a point if wasn't for the hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination shown to people based on the colour the skin. 6 minutes ago, Koolkeith said: Inconclusive That's the evidence? If nothing else then case dismissed, that tells us nothing. I'd be more confident he called him an "orange *******" based on that tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobreath Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Looks from the video like he said 'Fat *******...' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 51 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Didn’t you hear it on tv or did they black it out? It was very loud and very clearly Derry’s Wall. Not sure that’s considered sectarian is it? What sectarian lines does it have in it? I agree, it’s a ridiculous thing to sing at a football match though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 No case to answer. No mention of sectarian singing in our statement......again. Genuinely would pay extra to only have old firm fans in 1 section of tynie. No place for racism. Anyone know why someone was escorted from section F lower deep into 2nd half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Nobreath said: Looks from the video like he said 'Fat *******...' But but but morelos is sensitive about his waistline!!! Social media at its worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: I'd be more confident he called him an "orange *******" based on that tbh. Funny, that was my initial thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Awful post. You'd maybe have a point if wasn't for the hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination shown to people based on the colour the skin. That's the evidence? If nothing else then case dismissed, that tells us nothing. I'd be more confident he called him an "orange *******" based on that tbh. just watched it and looks very much like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, GinRummy said: just watched it and looks very much like it. So that would be sectarianism rather than racism then which, in a way, would be even more interesting given who we were playing! I mean, are we getting to the stage where one person gets done for sectarian abuse but it’s ok for thousands to give sectarian abuse? I’m assuming Sevco were up to their usual today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Watched it - and i can't get any of the three words alleged. I get three others, first one starts F the last one C and the one in the middle, no idea. From that footage, totally inconclusive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 If he has shouted something racist then ban him for life, but you'd have to be a lip reading expert to figure out what he said. There isn't even a clear view of him throughout the video. All for the club flushing out the shitty fans we have, but that is sketchy evidence. The 'evidence' has also come from a Rangers fan stating it as fact on Twitter! Separate issue, but when will something be done about the sectarian singing?!! I dont need an answer to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) I thinkk he's shouting. "Cracking goal young man, although I feel it was a tad lucky" Edited October 20, 2019 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 The damage has already been done regardless of whether hearts find him to have been racist or not. The video has been put out there as fact, and people have made their minds up on him and the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Awful post. You'd maybe have a point if wasn't for the hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination shown to people based on the colour the skin. That's the evidence? If nothing else then case dismissed, that tells us nothing. I'd be more confident he called him an "orange *******" based on that tbh. The two are distinct. Racism is the belief that you are biologically superior to other 'races'. It was a science called eugenics. It was debunked ages ago. Now it is considered racist to point out someone's racial characteristics when insulting them but it is totally different from the prior form of racism. It has nothing at all to do with it - or at leat that is how I think of it. People will pick out characteristics related to the individual they want to insult when they do insult them. I heavily doubt that the people making these insults at games think they are biologically superior to black players. Thus it is different and the history of slavery has nothing to do with it. Like the throwing of milk at white players in Africa has nothing to do with the centuries of (hugely underreported) white slaves. They are just picking on the players for being white. It's nasty, toxically tribal but it is not the racism of old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Morph said: The damage has already been done regardless of whether hearts find him to have been racist or not. The video has been put out there as fact, and people have made their minds up on him and the club. Bit dramatic. if people have ALREADY made up their minds, there's nothing Hearts can do. Says more about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Inconclusive from that clip in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Inconclusive from that clip in my opinion Only those with a clear and obvious agenda would think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Awful post. You'd maybe have a point if wasn't for the hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination shown to people based on the colour the skin. That's the evidence? If nothing else then case dismissed, that tells us nothing. I'd be more confident he called him an "orange *******" based on that tbh. Its inconclusive but at first view I thought it was orange too, but having watched it on loop I reckon its orange,black bar steward. Hard to tell tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, rick witter said: Or sit in the Hearts End. That’s all Granny Ann is interested in. Language is so tricky . For example is it ok to call someone a feckin idiot as long as I don't use words like black , brown or even white ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Why was morelos not booked, and is queen ann investigating the sectarian singing from the away end ? Dont think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, HeartOfWestLothian said: Don't you DARE defend or justify racism or racist comments on here. Cmon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, johnthomas said: Language is so tricky . For example is it ok to call someone a feckin idiot as long as I don't use words like black , brown or even white ? Club rules unclear on that. It mentions abuse in general terms but emphasises the bigotry and racist abuse. Edited October 20, 2019 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, HeartOfWestLothian said: Don't you DARE defend or justify racism or racist comments on here. Wind yer neck in FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, johnthomas said: Language is so tricky . For example is it ok to call someone a feckin idiot as long as I don't use words like black , brown or even white ? I get called a ****ing idiot jock ******* daily. Rustles not a single Jimmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said: I get called a ****ing idiot jock ******* daily. Rustles not a single Jimmy. Wives can get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Pretty much what I’d expect from you. Indeed 8 minutes ago, Sherbet said: Why was morelos not booked, and is queen ann investigating the sectarian singing from the away end ? Dont think so Surely thats a different topic. You can’t have a pop at the club for getting ahead of the curve with a statement saying weve had reports of alleged racism so we are on it. You also can’t expect them to then go....but its ok if he was racist as long as the Rangers fans get un trouble for their usual shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: I get called a ****ing idiot jock ******* daily. Rustles not a single Jimmy. You could test this philosophy and call a black person a black ******* and see if they take umbrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, rick witter said: Yeah I heard a few folk were going to do that too. Is hospitality strictly home fans?? I don’t know. It is. 1 hour ago, rick witter said: Yeah I heard a few folk were going to do that too. Is hospitality strictly home fans?? I don’t know. It is. Only those with purchase history can buy hospitality or tickets for Cat A games. Was behind some German guys trying to get tickets the other day but they were knocked back. I suggested they buy hospitality instead but they were knocked back for that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Koolkeith said: Inconclusive No way do you clearly get a racist statement from that. People see him saying what they want to see. If you imagine him saying "your fudge's a budgie" it works a treat. I hate racism but that clip proves nothing at all apart from he was a bit angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 This is social media at its worst. Absolutely nothing to see there. I'm not even sure who is being accused. You could have panned the camera right round the stadium and seen the same reaction from Hearts fans. Unless they have audio which can prove the fan in question made racist remarks the complainants are troublemaking. The Rangers fans getting all high and mighty about this 😂 Added to the fact the prick should've been booked. I've just noticed that someone has kindly posted a picture . Trial by social media. Picture should be removed imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: You could test this philosophy and call a black person a black ******* and see if they take umbrage. The outcome would depend on which one I said it to and the context it was said in. Edited October 20, 2019 by Governor Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Governor Tarkin said: The outcome would depend which one I said it to and the context it was said in. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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