JamboAl Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: People getting overly erect about all of this. First of all defenders are cheaper than midfielders who are cheaper than strikers. Second, Hickey hasn’t even got 20 first team games to his name yet. Third, he is playing in Scotland for a team outside Glasgow. Fourth, he is 17. Even if we were offered £1.5m (and who knows if that includes add ons, a two year loan back etc) that sort of sum is astonishing and there is absolutely no way that any other player in the UK playing left back for 10 games for, say a first division team in England, would be getting bought for £10m. Absolute rockets on here. Hickey looks fantastic but at this stage, this very very early stage could go McMullan or Robertson. Even Robertson had to go to Hull first. IMO pushing that up to £2m with a 2 year loan back, plus add ons depending on appearances etc and a sell on fee (Man City failures can still get £1 transfers) and a couple of top loans from Man City player would be a cracking bit of business. We are already getting a player who would beat our biggest transfer fee in for at least a season on loan. There is a much bigger picture in play here and fans getting indignant about a potential £1.5m purchase for a 17 year old when we still get to keep the lad playing for us on loan is absurd. Also remember that English teams have to pay **** all development fees for our players at end of contract. Also - again bigger picture so may be a stretch for some - but our academy producing somebody that gets on Man City’s radar early doors will only benefit the academy in getting other top quality youngsters in. It all seems pretty straightforward to me. Did we not get a fee for Paterson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, JamboAl said: Did we not get a fee for Paterson? Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJAMBO Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 5 hours ago, NaturalOrder74 said: Its all just speculation at this point mate I’m far from an expert on the subject it’s interesting to hear other opinions on it Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJAMBO Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 5 hours ago, JamboAl said: It has been touted on here that Hickey could play RB in place of Smith this weekend as he is two footed. Indeed someone (you?) suggested that CL should have moved him there on Sunday with White coming on at LB. The fact that he can play on both sides will surely enhance his worth. Hickey can play right / left back . inside left and right. Center mid attacking mid. Is also good in goals . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJAMBO Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Let's say I'd play Hickey in the Gum role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afanderson33 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 He'll be loaned back to us, I heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJAMBO Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, afanderson33 said: He'll be loaned back to us, I heard. Who told you that . you've been reading posts here . Noones even bid yet ya trumpet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I just find it hard to believe this. Hardly been able to evaluate the kid myself so no idea how some dick at Man City has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 hours ago, JamboAl said: Did we not get a fee for Paterson? “**** all” was meant relatively. They pay less than a Scottish club would pay. It’s how Celtic got Dembele for a few 100k rather than the £ms that would have been required to be paid by an English team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, JackLadd said: I just find it hard to believe this. Hardly been able to evaluate the kid myself so no idea how some dick at Man City has. Are you a professional scout for one of the largest and richest clubs in the world? Edited August 28, 2019 by Lovecraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Hickey seems like he's got his head screwed on right. Came back to us instead of staying in the Celtic machine to chase game time. He's got a pretty strong claim to our left back spot at the moment and a couple of years in a good Hearts team (please God) will really develop him. If he has the opportunity to sign for Man City, it'll be hard to turn it down. But if he looks at Robertson and how he made it, maybe staying with us where he can pick himself each week and building some experience before going off to a top Championship/ lower Premiership side and taking it from there, is the way to go. I'd expect Hearts to offer him a big deal with lots of time and a decent wage to tempt him to stay, but it's completely understandable if we decides against it. I'm looking at it through maroon tinted glasses, but I see Hearts as the perfect place for Aaron over the next 2/3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, Captain Sausage said: Hickey seems like he's got his head screwed on right. Came back to us instead of staying in the Celtic machine to chase game time. He's got a pretty strong claim to our left back spot at the moment and a couple of years in a good Hearts team (please God) will really develop him. If he has the opportunity to sign for Man City, it'll be hard to turn it down. But if he looks at Robertson and how he made it, maybe staying with us where he can pick himself each week and building some experience before going off to a top Championship/ lower Premiership side and taking it from there, is the way to go. I'd expect Hearts to offer him a big deal with lots of time and a decent wage to tempt him to stay, but it's completely understandable if we decides against it. I'm looking at it through maroon tinted glasses, but I see Hearts as the perfect place for Aaron over the next 2/3 years. Man City can map that playing route out for him as his owners. Man city can buy Hickey - he gets 10 times his salary straightaway - 5 year contract. Man City can then loan him back to us for 18 months. They can then then check his development and decide whether to loan him to a lower EPL club or Champs club. I still think getting close to £2m up front for Hickey (with potential add ons) say in January with an 18 month loan back, a young Japanese player pushing to become an internationalist that we couldn’t ourselves afford for a year, and the start of a working relationship with Man City, would be fantastic business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroon Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Anyone know How much city paid for Meshino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, maroon said: Anyone know How much city paid for Meshino Nearly 1 million according to transfermarkt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Man City can map that playing route out for him as his owners. Man city can buy Hickey - he gets 10 times his salary straightaway - 5 year contract. Man City can then loan him back to us for 18 months. They can then then check his development and decide whether to loan him to a lower EPL club or Champs club. I still think getting close to £2m up front for Hickey (with potential add ons) say in January with an 18 month loan back, a young Japanese player pushing to become an internationalist that we couldn’t ourselves afford for a year, and the start of a working relationship with Man City, would be fantastic business. Hard to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Hard to disagree. Maybe through in a glamour friendly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Would be a massive boost for the reputation of our academy also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 57 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: “**** all” was meant relatively. They pay less than a Scottish club would pay. It’s how Celtic got Dembele for a few 100k rather than the £ms that would have been required to be paid by an English team. With respect I think you are wrong. Hearts didn't get a decent fee because CP wouldn't sign a contract we offered as he wanted to go to English football. I also believe we got a better deal (add-ons etc) only because the player insisted upon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouLetYourClubDie Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 27/08/2019 at 10:13, Jambof3tornado said: What will we be due at the end of his deal? No idea if we get a devlopment fee because he has been at Celtic as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, YouLetYourClubDie said: No idea if we get a devlopment fee because he has been at Celtic as well. We would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 11 hours ago, JackLadd said: I just find it hard to believe this. Hardly been able to evaluate the kid myself so no idea how some dick at Man City has. After reading this post Man City have withdrawn the bid until you confirm your evaluation.....because what you think really matters to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Anyone actually know what his contract situation is. He's 17 but does that mean he can't sign professionally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: Anyone actually know what his contract situation is. He's 17 but does that mean he can't sign professionally? Think its a naximum length of contract thats the issue given his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, upgotheheads said: Anyone actually know what his contract situation is. He's 17 but does that mean he can't sign professionally? He has signed professionally. That was in May 2018. His deal runs out in May 2020 or May 2021, that's the bit there seems to be no info on. Three years is the maximum contract duration he could have been offered at his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastlesmychurch Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 27/08/2019 at 13:48, Pasquale for King said: Slightly different than Souttar in two ways, he’s not under contract and there are teams who have registered an interest. What I mean is I'm not worried about the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 16 hours ago, JackLadd said: I just find it hard to believe this. Hardly been able to evaluate the kid myself so no idea how some dick at Man City has. Surely though, you realise that the people who are paid to do these things as professionals, will have a lot more knowledge and insight than you or I? Honestly though, even in my limited knowledge that I have from watching football over the years; it’s really obvious how good Hickey is. He is already a good player, and he could become a top player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouLetYourClubDie Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Dallas Green said: We would. Good to know 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Isn’t hickey more naturally right footed? He’s taken his penalty(ies?) for us with his right hasn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dayman said: Isn’t hickey more naturally right footed? He’s taken his penalty(ies?) for us with his right hasn't he? No he’s naturally left footed according to the interview he gave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 If we have a quality youngster like Hickey, we won’t be able to keep them until they are 21+ years old. Big clubs want them young, they want to develop them further in their own academics, so it’s unlikely we’ll ever max out on a fee for a more “complete” youngster. I’d take £2.5-3million for Hickey, obviously with a huge sell on percentage and probably add on’s which would come into play if he reaches the first team, probably adding up to £6million plus. I’m pretty confident we will continue to produce more lads of his ability over the next few years and decades, so as long as we get a great deal, I’d happily see our lads being sold on so they can become better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: Think its a naximum length of contract thats the issue given his age. 4 hours ago, Dallas Green said: He has signed professionally. That was in May 2018. His deal runs out in May 2020 or May 2021, that's the bit there seems to be no info on. Three years is the maximum contract duration he could have been offered at his age. Ta. We do have some leverage then, at least for this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/hearts-plan-closer-links-with-man-city-after-compliment-of-aaron-hickey-interest-1-4993192 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, RobNox said: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/hearts-plan-closer-links-with-man-city-after-compliment-of-aaron-hickey-interest-1-4993192 A lot of sense in that. Would love to see this youngster Mackenzie develop to the point where he can start to feature in the 1st team. He appears to know where the opposition goal is and to actually score frequently. What a novelty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 28/08/2019 at 00:47, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: People getting overly erect about all of this. First of all defenders are cheaper than midfielders who are cheaper than strikers. Second, Hickey hasn’t even got 20 first team games to his name yet. Third, he is playing in Scotland for a team outside Glasgow. Fourth, he is 17. Even if we were offered £1.5m (and who knows if that includes add ons, a two year loan back etc) that sort of sum is astonishing and there is absolutely no way that any other player in the UK playing left back for 10 games for, say a first division team in England, would be getting bought for £10m. Absolute rockets on here. Hickey looks fantastic but at this stage, this very very early stage could go McMullan or Robertson. Even Robertson had to go to Hull first. IMO pushing that up to £2m with a 2 year loan back, plus add ons depending on appearances etc and a sell on fee (Man City failures can still get £1 transfers) and a couple of top loans from Man City player would be a cracking bit of business. We are already getting a player who would beat our biggest transfer fee in for at least a season on loan. There is a much bigger picture in play here and fans getting indignant about a potential £1.5m purchase for a 17 year old when we still get to keep the lad playing for us on loan is absurd. Also remember that English teams have to pay **** all development fees for our players at end of contract. Also - again bigger picture so may be a stretch for some - but our academy producing somebody that gets on Man City’s radar early doors will only benefit the academy in getting other top quality youngsters in. It all seems pretty straightforward to me. 14 hours ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Man City can map that playing route out for him as his owners. Man city can buy Hickey - he gets 10 times his salary straightaway - 5 year contract. Man City can then loan him back to us for 18 months. They can then then check his development and decide whether to loan him to a lower EPL club or Champs club. I still think getting close to £2m up front for Hickey (with potential add ons) say in January with an 18 month loan back, a young Japanese player pushing to become an internationalist that we couldn’t ourselves afford for a year, and the start of a working relationship with Man City, would be fantastic business. These two posts sum up my view on the matter. Hickey is class for his age but a close relationship with one with of the best teams in the world, a decent up front fee with sell on and add ons plus a loan back is a top deal. Hopefully we can negotiate the upfront fee to around £2.5mil though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 18 hours ago, TypoonJambo said: Man City are getting enough already..... 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: If we have a quality youngster like Hickey, we won’t be able to keep them until they are 21+ years old. Big clubs want them young, they want to develop them further in their own academics, so it’s unlikely we’ll ever max out on a fee for a more “complete” youngster. I’d take £2.5-3million for Hickey, obviously with a huge sell on percentage and probably add on’s which would come into play if he reaches the first team, probably adding up to £6million plus. I’m pretty confident we will continue to produce more lads of his ability over the next few years and decades, so as long as we get a great deal, I’d happily see our lads being sold on so they can become better players. Also the home grown/ trained thing for Europe. Also a reason why young players are picked up so early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I see no sense for Man City I loaning Hickey back to us beyond the end of this season. They will want to develop him in their own way, playing in their style Otherwise they may as well as pay a sum to have first option on him when he turns 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 28/08/2019 at 01:07, JackLadd said: I just find it hard to believe this. Hardly been able to evaluate the kid myself so no idea how some dick at Man City has. you can see after about 2 minutes of watching him he’s top class, 2 feet, great balance, moves like a great player. There was a run in the 2nd half v Motherwell where he moved like a young Gareth bale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: I see no sense for Man City I loaning Hickey back to us beyond the end of this season. They will want to develop him in their own way, playing in their style Otherwise they may as well as pay a sum to have first option on him when he turns 19. Why loan him to us at all then? They must see something in our training and on the pitch to warrant even discussing some sort of relationship. Its a shame Man City can see something our own fans can’t - but not surprising reading the comments on here. Id take the judgement of one of the top world clubs over a few punters that watch the game after 5 pints at the Tynie Arms lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Why loan him to us at all then? They must see something in our training and on the pitch to warrant even discussing some sort of relationship. Its a shame Man City can see something our own fans can’t - but not surprising reading the comments on here. Id take the judgement of one of the top world clubs over a few punters that watch the game after 5 pints at the Tynie Arms lol. To the end of the season would allow him to get some game time, but i just think they would then want to introduce him to their way of playing from an early age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: To the end of the season would allow him to get some game time, but i just think they would then want to introduce him to their way of playing from an early age. Maybe he already he does - hence their interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonic Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 27/08/2019 at 15:55, Noah Claypole said: Another cracking thread. Thanks guys 😀😀😀 reality of the situation is wed sell for under a million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49515578 Could be worse. Elvis having a terrible time. Having checked the table, I doubt he will be around long enough to see their 18th birthday anyhow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Afternoon just apologising for my incorrect assumptions earlier in the week. It is a message board after all. It does seem I was out of order so to those who responded I deserved the criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 29/08/2019 at 12:32, Masonic said: reality of the situation is wed sell for under a million Doubt it More likely we would try to persuade Hickey to stay Though then it is more likely he didn't progress and he ends up at Cowdenbeath. Which on balance is why accepting a bid may be most sensible. Always a bit of a gamble. Though he does look a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) On 29/08/2019 at 12:32, Masonic said: reality of the situation is wed sell for under a million Is that a fact or just a guess? There may be some quantification of loan deals involved in the fee eg they could pay us £1m for Hickey, loan him back for the season and also be paying the majority/all of Meshino's wages. What I am suggesting is that maybe we should not simply look at the headline figure as reported as there may be other strands to any deal. Edited August 30, 2019 by JamboAl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tynietigers Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 From what I believe Hearts are looking for more but for a laddie who has played, what 6 first games 1.5 mill is unbelievable. I would like to keep him and see what happens at the end of the season, and what we can get but something is still telling me that Hearts will be getting a lot more done Han we know out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, tynietigers said: From what I believe Hearts are looking for more but for a laddie who has played, what 6 first games 1.5 mill is unbelievable. I would like to keep him and see what happens at the end of the season, and what we can get but something is still telling me that Hearts will be getting a lot more done Han we know out of this. It’s not really unbelievable, Man Utd pay Alexis Sanchez £1.5 million every 3 weeks.. it’s chump change for English clubs.. not even noticeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Luke Shaw broke into Southhampton's team at 16 and played 60 games over 3 seasons or so then went for 30m. The key thing there was they got him on a 5 year contract the year before he went to Man U. Left sided players are very in demand. I'd hope for a lot more than 1.5m for Hickey on evidence so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tynietigers Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: It’s not really unbelievable, Man Utd pay Alexis Sanchez £1.5 million every 3 weeks.. it’s chump change for English clubs.. not even noticeable. Yes but they obviously believe this lad is going to be the bomb 🤔 I did post on the thread 2/3 weeks ago that Man City were going to put an offer in, and they have it’s just not enough I think for Hearts to agree unless there is hidden incentives which will all come apparent 👍🏻 Edited August 30, 2019 by tynietigers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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