Oh to be a Hibs fan

[Rudy T]

6 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

In fairness they did their preseason gym work at pure gym fort Kinnaird it’s pretty nice 

 

Thats only because they signed up for a months free trial... budgets are tight down that way!

[BelgeJambo]

22 hours ago, luckydug said:

I always associated the 'dancing in the streets of Raith' quote from Jimmy Greaves on the Saint and Greaves slot on World of Sport back in the seventies.

Might be mistaken of course.

It has been known ☺

They’ll be Singing and Highland Flinging in Kirkcaldy the night

 

Sid Waddel

[been here before]

6 minutes ago, BelgeJambo said:

They’ll be Singing and Highland Flinging in Kirkcaldy the night

 

Sid Waddel

 

"When Alexander of Macedonia was 33, he cried salt tears because there were no more worlds left to conquer … Eric Bristow is only 27."

[Rudy T]

4 minutes ago, been here before said:

 

"When Alexander of Macedonia was 33, he cried salt tears because there were no more worlds left to conquer … Eric Bristow is only 27."

 

He looks about as happy as a penguin in a microwave... 

 

Is one of my favourites🤣

[Prof]

33 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

In fairness they did their preseason gym work at pure gym fort Kinnaird it’s pretty nice 

Fairness!! Since when did a Hobo care about that. For those Hobos who think East Mains is up to it, I suggest they pop into the Coalgate pub in Ormiston or the miners club in Macmerry for a pint. 

[sadj]

8 minutes ago, Rudy T said:

 

He looks about as happy as a penguin in a microwave... 

 

Is one of my favourites🤣

 

Boy was a genius , can’t believe its seven years since he passed. I never knew until not too long ago that he wrote Jossy’s Giants.

[Rudy T]

2 minutes ago, sadj said:

 

Boy was a genius , can’t believe its seven years since he passed. I never knew until not too long ago that he wrote Jossy’s Giants.

 

Jossys Giants... jezzus man that’s a blast from the past!!

[SUTOL]

I don't know the figures involved, in either our deal with Oriam or Hibs costs at EM, but in response to the bit about part-time/limited access...We have our own area within Oriam, our own offices and changing rooms etc. Those bits aren't used by anyone else. Even on the sponsors morning visit we didn't get access into there. The pitches both of the indoor pitches and the outdoor pitches are available to rent for the general public, but have priority for these for training and matches. 

[Gizmo]

2 hours ago, Coburg Hearts said:

I was going to start a new thread, but thought I'd lump it on here instead.

I wonder if FF, or someone who knows some of the finer details, can tell if any of the ramblings below has any merit? They seem to use their ownership of a field somewhere in the wilds as some kind of comfort blanket.

Surely it is better to rent a facility rated as one of the best in Europe, than own your own pigsty? (due apologies to said pigs)

 

 

 

Leither.

How does that mob manage with Oriam, then?

 

stantonsboots

Because they have no option, they are homeless when it comes to training facilities. So have to

 pay top dollar to the university!

 

ozyhibbie

They have an amazingly cheap deal. 

They don’t pay top dollar. The money they pay HW is a lot less than it costs us to run East Mains.

 

90+2.

They rent it along with a lot of other people from a non profit charitable organisation.

No they don’t, (have to pay top dollar)  they landed on their feet with it being built up the road. They even got away with not paying them and bumping them as a creditor when they went into administration.

I don’t think that’s right.

 

wallpaperman.

Sure it was disclosed a while back that they pay (well, most the time) approx £500,000 a year to use the facilities, and that is broadly similar to what we pay to run East Mains each year.

 

Jeffers.

I find it hard to believe they pay the same to use a faciiity part time as we do for one we have exclusive use of.

 

Jacomo.

Why? You’d expect to pay more as a tenant rather than the owner, no?

 

Jeffers.

Not for something you don't have exclusive use of I wouldn't.

So let's get this straight.

As 100% fully paid up owners of East Mains, Hibs still have to:

- Hire the Jack Kane centre for indoor training when the weather is inclement
- Hire the PureGym for pre-season training
- Hire the Oriam for reserve matches

The "academy" side of it hasn't brought through a sellable asset in years, if ever.

It's basically a barn with a small indoor 5 a side pitch and a couple of bits of astro-turf.  

So yeah, go on about "owning" such an asset. It's like boasting you own a fully paid up lada rather than leasing a BMW. 

[Coburg Hearts]

16 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

I don't know the figures involved, in either our deal with Oriam or Hibs costs at EM, but in response to the bit about part-time/limited access...We have our own area within Oriam, our own offices and changing rooms etc. Those bits aren't used by anyone else. Even on the sponsors morning visit we didn't get access into there. The pitches both of the indoor pitches and the outdoor pitches are available to rent for the general public, but have priority for these for training and matches. 

That's what I thought and it's great you have confirmed it. Cheers.

[Coburg Hearts]

8 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

So let's get this straight.

As 100% fully paid up owners of East Mains, Hibs still have to:

- Hire the Jack Kane centre for indoor training when the weather is inclement
- Hire the PureGym for pre-season training
- Hire the Oriam for reserve matches

The "academy" side of it hasn't brought through a sellable asset in years, if ever.

It's basically a barn with a small indoor 5 a side pitch and a couple of bits of astro-turf.  

So yeah, go on about "owning" such an asset. It's like boasting you own a fully paid up lada rather than leasing a BMW. 

This is a great post and I hope some of the hobbits on here read it, though they are usually conspicuous by their absence on those kind of threads. Thanks, Gizmo.

[Fort Vallance]

23 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

I don't know the figures involved, in either our deal with Oriam or Hibs costs at EM, but in response to the bit about part-time/limited access...We have our own area within Oriam, our own offices and changing rooms etc. Those bits aren't used by anyone else. Even on the sponsors morning visit we didn't get access into there. The pitches both of the indoor pitches and the outdoor pitches are available to rent for the general public, but have priority for these for training and matches. 

I might be wrong but didn't we contribute a fair whack of the original building costs when we got cash from SMG in the dim and distant past ?

[Coburg Hearts]

4 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said:

I might be wrong but didn't we contribute a fair whack of the original building costs when we got cash from SMG in the dim and distant past ?

I was wondering if there was still some kind of "goodwill" from that.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Coburg Hearts

[ToqueJambo]

7 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said:

I might be wrong but didn't we contribute a fair whack of the original building costs when we got cash from SMG in the dim and distant past ?

 

£2.35 million, almost half the costs. Since then what we've been paying in rent has more than paid off the rest.

 

It would be interesting to compare the startup costs and annual rent we pay to what it cost Hibs to build their shed, and how much it costs them to run it every year, as well as comparing what each club gets for the money facilities wise.

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[ToqueJambo]

33 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

So let's get this straight.

As 100% fully paid up owners of East Mains, Hibs still have to:

- Hire the Jack Kane centre for indoor training when the weather is inclement
- Hire the PureGym for pre-season training
- Hire the Oriam for reserve matches

The "academy" side of it hasn't brought through a sellable asset in years, if ever.

It's basically a barn with a small indoor 5 a side pitch and a couple of bits of astro-turf.  

So yeah, go on about "owning" such an asset. It's like boasting you own a fully paid up lada rather than leasing a BMW. 

 

Not only that but they went into a free-fall starting THE DAY AFTER it opened that lasted over 10 years. Money well spent lads!

 

Opened on the 19th December and Collins resigned on the 20th. One of my favourite HIbsing-its.

 

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[jake]

16 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Not only that but they went into a free-fall starting THE DAY AFTER it opened that lasted over 10 years. Money well spent lads!

 

Opened on the 19th December and Collins resigned on the 20th. One of my favourite HIbsing-its.

 

 

🤣

[Rudy T]

1 hour ago, Gizmo said:

So let's get this straight.

As 100% fully paid up owners of East Mains, Hibs still have to:

- Hire the Jack Kane centre for indoor training when the weather is inclement
- Hire the PureGym for pre-season training
- Hire the Oriam for reserve matches

The "academy" side of it hasn't brought through a sellable asset in years, if ever.

It's basically a barn with a small indoor 5 a side pitch and a couple of bits of astro-turf.  

So yeah, go on about "owning" such an asset. It's like boasting you own a fully paid up lada rather than leasing a BMW. 

 

Sounds like it’s only fit for getting flattened and houses built on it... if only someone would buy it and take out security on it... oh wait...

[gorgie rd eh11]

 

 

 "In perpetuity" was something they bandied about when they opened their place.

 

 Aye the sole cost of running and maintaining a place in a s**t location, "in perpetuity".

 

 

[RobNox]

3 hours ago, Prof said:

What sort of training ground is best. A new state of the art facility run in conjunction with a leading University on the outskirts of Edinburgh or a pitch built by laying a few inches of top soil on the ruins of a clapped out diary next to an outdoor pig farm run by a Deidco supporter near Ormiston.

 

It's kind of like a guy who owns a 1 bedroom flat trying to score points over a guy who rents a luxury penthouse, because the penthouse guy doesn't own his property.

[Morgan]

1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Not only that but they went into a free-fall starting THE DAY AFTER it opened that lasted over 10 years. Money well spent lads!

 

Opened on the 19th December and Collins resigned on the 20th. One of my favourite HIbsing-its.

 

 

 

[1971fozzy]

Sums them up perfectly 

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by 1971fozzy

[Deevers]

Speaking to a really interesting chap last night who seemed to know quite a bit about the goings on inside ER. He reckoned that as part of Ron’s “ come back with your plans for the next year”  that Dempster had been told to prepare a report for him on reducing the overheads. Maybe some serious belt tightening on the  horizon for them.

[ericb]

12 hours ago, SUTOL said:

I don't know the figures involved, in either our deal with Oriam or Hibs costs at EM, but in response to the bit about part-time/limited access...We have our own area within Oriam, our own offices and changing rooms etc. Those bits aren't used by anyone else. Even on the sponsors morning visit we didn't get access into there. The pitches both of the indoor pitches and the outdoor pitches are available to rent for the general public, but have priority for these for training and matches. 

 

But the HMFC training centre (which we contributed to) was there before ORIAM, so aren't the two places different, i.e. are you sure HMFC has offices etc. in ORIAM?

[SUTOL]

Just now, ericb said:

 

But the HMFC training centre (which we contributed to) was there before ORIAM, so aren't the two places different, i.e. are you sure HMFC has offices etc. in ORIAM?

 

The whole place is now Oriam, the Hearts area is still where it was/mostly was before.

 

 

 

[martoon]

8 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

Sums them up perfectly 

 

 

A moment in time that just shrieks "WATER CANNON". 

[milky_26]

1 minute ago, martoon said:

 

A moment in time that just shrieks "WATER CANNON". 

and an additional soap cannon

[martoon]

3 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

and an additional soap cannon

 

They wouldn't know what hit 'em. 

[Gav M]

24 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

and an additional soap cannon

Tcp would be more apt

[Montgomery Brewster]

1 hour ago, milky_26 said:

and an additional soap cannon

I’ll upgrade that to 🔥

[kimosavi]

look a the state of East mains 

[kimosavi]

Then you look at this 

[Konrad von Carstein]

3 hours ago, martoon said:

 

They wouldn't know what hit 'em. 

 

^^^^^^

An underappreciated post

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Konrad von Carstein
None of your business :)

[gjcc]

39 minutes ago, kimosavi said:

look a the state of East mains 

I guess they put their boots on at their cars and that’s them on for the day. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

3 hours ago, martoon said:

 

A moment in time that just shrieks "WATER CANNON". 

 

Or

 

 

 

or even

 

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Seymour M Hersh

[Tasavallan]

1 hour ago, kimosavi said:

Then you look at this 

 

But I am a little confused, while Hibs own their own pigsty, what happened to the Hearts' Academy building (west of Oriam), is it still officially the Hearts Academy or has it been absorbed by Oriam and Hearts now only pay for using the Oriam facilities.  Did Pieman not invest the STV loan money into the Academy if so did Hearts make any money from Oriam moving in or did it all go Heriot-Watt?    

 

I notice that Hibs U20 were using Oriam as their home pitch last season while Hearts U20 used Ochilview.  This season I see that the U20/Reserves are using Prestonfield, strange that. 

[Barack]

46 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Or

 

 

 

or even

 

 

Option 1. Lovely thing.

[j1964m]

13 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

Sums them up perfectly 

 

Thankyou mum and dad for a great day out on the climbing frames

[martoon]

1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

 

^^^^^^

An underappreciated post

 

 

👍

[martoon]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Or

 

 

 

or even

 

 

 

Can't decide, so both please. 

 

That would get them back in their seats pronto. 

[Smith's right boot]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Or

 

 

 

or even

 

 

 

 

Hampden would have been flattened as well. 

Two for one. 

 

In fact, chuck in the rangers fans and it's a 3 for 1.

 

Doing a Public service, in fact. 

[martoon]

2 hours ago, kimosavi said:

look a the state of East mains 

 

Loving the attempt to make it look nicer:

 

Some bushes. 

[Dallas Green]

2 minutes ago, martoon said:

 

Loving the attempt to make it look nicer:

 

Some bushes. 

 

Dont forget their big carved rock thing 😂

 

 

[baron of ness]

What do the vermin own???

[Vlad Magic]

Just now, baron of ness said:

What do the vermin own???

 

Weekends their sisters.

[I.T.K]

Ron did say he wanted to improve the training facilities. Even he has seen the issue with the chicken barn not being up to standard. 

 

 

[martoon]

11 minutes ago, Dallas Green said:

 

Dont forget their big carved rock thing 😂

 

 

 

Scratch 1875-202? and it's a gravestone...

 

 

...and me having a wee dance 'roond it. 

 

 

[jamboinglasgow]

1 hour ago, Tasavallan said:

 

But I am a little confused, while Hibs own their own pigsty, what happened to the Hearts' Academy building (west of Oriam), is it still officially the Hearts Academy or has it been absorbed by Oriam and Hearts now only pay for using the Oriam facilities.  Did Pieman not invest the STV loan money into the Academy if so did Hearts make any money from Oriam moving in or did it all go Heriot-Watt?    

 

I notice that Hibs U20 were using Oriam as their home pitch last season while Hearts U20 used Ochilview.  This season I see that the U20/Reserves are using Prestonfield, strange that. 

 

The original building is still Hearts academy. Hearts have the rooms, changing rooms and indoor pitch there.

[Smithee]

We landed on our feet with our arrangement! What we have now was never the plan, we were going to be joint owners of a much smaller facility. 

 

But our journey led us through financial difficulties, administration, then we got really really lucky with it being chosen for Oriam.

 

Now we have a long term lease on genuinely top facilities on a low rent deal that we'd never get anywhere else. 

 

The facilities are maintained by a company worth many many millions, with hundreds of staff behind them - we don't even need to worry about costs, just the rent, a known quantity. 

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, Dallas Green said:

 

Dont forget their big carved rock thing 😂

 

 

Must have got that cheap off Ed Milliband. 

[dannymack]

Smart eh ?