Boris

[Who_put_the_ball_in...]

7 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Hobo 

[Ray Gin]

43 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Glad to see he was prepared to stand up to the cringe worthy SNP yesterday. I never liked Boris but actually now think he will grow on me. 

 

[jack D and coke]

43 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Glad to see he was prepared to stand up to the cringe worthy SNP yesterday. I never liked Boris but actually now think he will grow on me. 

Mind boggling....

Youd rather have Johnson, Rees Mogg, McVey et al...

Just wow...

[Who_put_the_ball_in...]

14 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Mind boggling....

Youd rather have Johnson, Rees Mogg, McVey et al...

Just wow...

Than Sturgeon, Mhari Black Teeth and Cherry? Then the answer is yes.

[Sarah O]

20 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Than Sturgeon, Mhari Black Teeth and Cherry? Then the answer is yes.

Jeeezus. 

[Mysterion]

1 hour ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Glad to see he was prepared to stand up to the cringe worthy SNP yesterday. I never liked Boris but actually now think he will grow on me. 

 

He trotted out the usual lines that every Tory is expected to. 

You must be easily fooled if you thought he offered something new/better.

 

For the most part the difference between Boris and May was that Boris answered excitedly, waved his arm and pointed a lot before gradually growing tired of gesticulating at any opposition MP.  

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Hobo 

[Mikey1874]

9 hours ago, JackLadd said:

All this could have been avoided if a dozen or so LAB/SNP had voted for the deal on offer. What was the objection again? The back stop that only affects the back water Northern Ireland? I recall Sturge moaning about the fishery impact of the deal which made me laugh out loud considering her wish is for Scotland's fisheries to be slave to the CFP forever that they all hate. 

 

The main reason we have not left the EU is the people who most wanted to leave the EU didn't vote for the Deal. 

 

Then the possibility of a compromise was scuppered by May as it was heading towards a customs union / single market deal either though agreement with Labour or a free vote in Parliament. 

 

Nothing to do with Labour or the SNP. 

[Victorian]

Just wait until the economy takes a multi billion pound boot in the face.    Who's going to prefer the Tory spivs to the SNP when they insulate their natural support base from the tax & spend trauma?      Because the burden is going to placed full square on the least wealthy.    Increases to general taxation and more brutal cuts to services.

 

There was some woman on Newsnight the other day who literally wailed about the necessity to hand out tax breaks to "the lower middle classes".     That's what's coming.     Nectar for those who can already afford to live a dignified,   comfortable existence.    Those who can,  but wont have to,   share the burden of the Tories' economic vandalism.     Benefits cuts,  real terms tax increases and vital services cuts for the majority.     Those less likely to be Tories.

[Victorian]

OBR and industry warnings about the likely damage to the economy... oh we've heard it all before... well they would say that wouldn't they... clearly a remainer plot to steal Brexit... project fear... fake news.

 

Get out of that lion enclosure!    It'll ****ing eat ye!     Oh we've heard it all before.     The zookeeper would say that,   wouldn't he.

[Who_put_the_ball_in...]

26 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Just wait until the economy takes a multi billion pound boot in the face.    Who's going to prefer the Tory spivs to the SNP when they insulate their natural support base from the tax & spend trauma?      Because the burden is going to placed full square on the least wealthy.    Increases to general taxation and more brutal cuts to services.

 

There was some woman on Newsnight the other day who literally wailed about the necessity to hand out tax breaks to "the lower middle classes".     That's what's coming.     Nectar for those who can already afford to live a dignified,   comfortable existence.    Those who can,  but wont have to,   share the burden of the Tories' economic vandalism.     Benefits cuts,  real terms tax increases and vital services cuts for the majority.     Those less likely to be Tories.

Income tax for those in Scotland is set by the Scottish Government hence professionals are already hammered for income tax. The SNP would happily turn Scotland into a socialist sh*te hole. 

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Income tax for those in Scotland is set by the Scottish Government hence professionals are already hammered for income tax. The SNP would happily turn Scotland into a socialist sh*te hole. 

 

Hammered my arse       

 

Higher earners are paying the balance between higher rate and basic rate on about £6500 of their taxable earnings.    Maybe about £100 a month more than someone in England.    These are people earning £50,000+.      Not the kind of people being forced to visit a foodbank or having to keep their heating off in the winter.

 

It's reasonable that comfortable people pay a bit more.     The trouble is that the Tories have done an excellent job at empowering people to expect that they shouldn't.

[Who_put_the_ball_in...]

Just now, Victorian said:

 

Hammered my arse       

 

Higher earners are paying the balance between higher rate and basic rate on about £6500 of their taxable earnings.    Maybe about £100 a month more than someone in England.    These are people earning £50,000+.      Not the kind of people being forced to visit a foodbank or having to keep their heating off in the winter.

 

It's reasonable that comfortable people pay a bit more.     The trouble is that the Tories have done an excellent job at empowering people to expect that they shouldn't.

Why should they? Why should I subsidise someone else’s lifestyle? 

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Hammered my arse       

 

Higher earners are paying the balance between higher rate and basic rate on about £6500 of their taxable earnings.    Maybe about £100 a month more than someone in England.    These are people earning £50,000+.      Not the kind of people being forced to visit a foodbank or having to keep their heating off in the winter.

 

It's reasonable that comfortable people pay a bit more.     The trouble is that the Tories have done an excellent job at empowering people to expect that they shouldn't.

 

Labour/ Tories have competed over 30 years to be low tax.

 

SNP have made a tentative, bold move to change that. 

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Why should they? Why should I subsidise someone else’s lifestyle? 

 

Yeah. Why should you help anyone. If you are healthy and comfortable financially.

 

Obviously you have to let relatives etc die of cancer without treatment for example. But yes. Go the Healthy Rich. 

[Victorian]

Just now, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Why should they? Why should I subsidise someone else’s lifestyle? 

 

Tax pounds do not subsidise lifestyles.    They pay for services and are supposed to provide enough of a basic income for the unemployed and vulnerable groups in society.    

 

The Tories economic ethos facilitates society subsidising the wealthy.

[micole]

23 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Income tax for those in Scotland is set by the Scottish Government hence professionals are already hammered for income tax. The SNP would happily turn Scotland into a socialist sh*te hole. 

Sorry but that is a load of tom kite, my mate earns upwards of £60000pa and is more than happy to pay a wee bit extra a month ( which he can well afford) and does not impact on his life style, it's all about affordability . SNP are by no means perfect but compared to the alternative they are way out in front IMO.

[Who_put_the_ball_in...]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Tax pounds do not subsidise lifestyles.    They pay for services and are supposed to provide enough of a basic income for the unemployed and vulnerable groups in society.    

 

The Tories economic ethos facilitates society subsidising the wealthy.

People need to learn to take care of themselves. We have created an entitled nanny state.

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Labour/ Tories have competed over 30 years to be low tax.

 

SNP have made a tentative, bold move to change that. 

 

Agreed.   The SNP has made a step towards a decent looking model of personal taxation.     But there's more to do.

[Boris]

Just now, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

People need to learn to take care of themselves. We have created an entitled nanny state.

 

Bollocks.

[Cade]

"Tax and spend"

Otherwise known as

"civilization"

[Who_put_the_ball_in...]

2 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Bollocks.

Name another country that pays you to pop out bairns, sit on your arse all day and throws in some free health care.

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

People need to learn to take care of themselves. We have created an entitled nanny state.

 

It's a fair enough position. It's why for example a lot of rich people such as Farage and all the Tories who are very rich want No Deal to take advantage and make profits. 

 

But comparatively we play a lot less tax than say Scandinavian countries. Who has the better society? 

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Name another country that pays you to pop out bairns, sit on your arse all day and throws in some free health care.

 

But very few people actually do that. In practice. There are legitimate questions about education and benefits. But generally more investment is needed not less.

[Boris]

Just now, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Name another country that pays you to pop out bairns, sit on your arse all day and throws in some free health care.

 

Pretty much every western european country via their own models?

 

 

 

 

[Victorian]

It's a thoroughly socially engineered ethos.     Allow people to believe they are fully entitled to pay a minimal amount of tax.     To make obsolete the sense of society and community cohesion.    To empower people to believe that it's ok to have more than enough while less fortunate people have much less than enough to live in dignity.     If the vulnerable need more then make the lower earning majority take up the slack.

[The Mighty Thor]

19 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Name another country that pays you to pop out bairns, sit on your arse all day and throws in some free health care.

Is this the return of the International jet setting, Corstorphine mansion dweller?

[Who_put_the_ball_in...]

13 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Pretty much every western european country via their own models?

 

 

 

 

You sure?

[Unknown user]

28 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

People need to learn to take care of themselves. We have created an entitled nanny state.

Utter bollocks

[Victorian]

Let's go full pelt old Etonian / Oxbridge.    Let's give the £80,000+ earners a skip full of tax pounds back.    Let's tie up all that money in additional savings and property & stocks and shares portfolios for the best off.    Let's not bother trying to provide a basic level of public services.     Let's allow the wealthy to accumulate more captive wealth.    Let's not bother with notions of wealth circulating in the economy.

[Boris]

16 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

You sure?

 

Pretty much.

[AlphonseCapone]

3 hours ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Glad to see he was prepared to stand up to the cringe worthy SNP yesterday. I never liked Boris but actually now think he will grow on me. 

 

2 hours ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Hobo 

 

2 hours ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Than Sturgeon, Mhari Black Teeth and Cherry? Then the answer is yes.

 

1 hour ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Income tax for those in Scotland is set by the Scottish Government hence professionals are already hammered for income tax. The SNP would happily turn Scotland into a socialist sh*te hole. 

 

1 hour ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Why should they? Why should I subsidise someone else’s lifestyle? 

 

50 minutes ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Name another country that pays you to pop out bairns, sit on your arse all day and throws in some free health care.

 

This thread has put me in the mood for gammon for dinner. 

[Victorian]

19 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Why do you keeping making stuff that no one is suggesting?  I can’t see anyone making an argument for this. 

 

Whilst your suggestion that wealthy are not doing their share is complete garbage. The top 1% generate nearly 30% of income tax revenue and the top 10% responsible for 60% of that take. Whilst undoubtably contribute more via indirect taxation by virtue of having more spending power.

 

So so you can create this bogeymen all you want of evil rich people not pulling weight. It’s just not true though. This country is kept going by the few for the many!

 

Will some people dodges taxes yeah but that not unique to rich people it’s just the impact is much bigger.

 

Your stereotypical rich corrupt man evading taxes is about as accurate as benefits receipants being work shy lazy scrounges to be honest. 

 

The biggest issue around tax is we have an outdated system for the world we live in. This is compounded by globalisation and wealth no longer being localised.

 

 

 

 

 

Your figures may well tell you something you think justifies the current tax burden but all it does is demonstrate how the majority of wealth is concentrated with a tiny minority.     Your statement about indirect tax via increased spending power is entirely bogus.     Additional tax free earnings are much more likely to become captive wealth which does not benefit the real economy.

 

You're right about an outdated tax system though.    An up to date system for modern Britain would involve everyone paying a fair amount on a progressive and sophisticated sliding scale... which must involve a rebalance of the burden away from the lower end.    But it's not going to easily happen because the right demographic in society have been schooled into the belief that the current system is fair and benefits all.      

[Mikey1874]

The change is to simplify the tax system and invest in people who don't have all the advantages. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Boris won’t last long. He’s an incompetent fool with no qualifications for being PM and his party’s a joke.

 

That said, I’ve been having a good laugh at the Guardian website this week. You’d think we were in the middle of 28 Days later from the way they’re going on  

[Victorian]

7 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Boris won’t last long. He’s an incompetent fool with no qualifications for being PM and his party’s a joke.

 

That said, I’ve been having a good laugh at the Guardian website this week. You’d think we were in the middle of 28 Days later from the way they’re going on  

 

I think you're right about Johnson.    I think soon he's going to have an 'OH SHIT' moment of clarity when the realisation hits regarding how demanding that job is and can't be delegated out to others as he's probably hoping.

[Victorian]

how easily the Tories spin their web.

 

[Victorian]

Iniquitous wealth accumulation is not entirely cause by taxation but it contributes to it.     Grossly unwarranted executive rewards is another matter that should be tackled.     It is given occasional lip service but nothing more than the odd aspirational comment by your common-or-garden 'one nation conservative'... aka wolf dressed in sheep's clothing.     

 

In microcosm... 20+ cabinet members enjoying additional pay of £5,000 a month on top of their MP salary.     

[Cade]

Children are an investment for the State.

Over the course of their lifetime they will contribute far more in taxation than was spent on raising them.

Somebody has to pay the pensions.

 

Taking money from everybody then redistributing it to those in most need is the basis of western civilization itself.

If we don't have that we're nothing but barbarian savages, taking from others and jealously guarding it to prevent the same being done to us.

[Des Lynam]

2 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Why do you keeping making stuff that no one is suggesting?  I can’t see anyone making an argument for this. 

 

Whilst your suggestion that wealthy are not doing their share is complete garbage. The top 1% generate nearly 30% of income tax revenue and the top 10% responsible for 60% of that take. Whilst undoubtably contribute more via indirect taxation by virtue of having more spending power.

 

So so you can create this bogeymen all you want of evil rich people not pulling weight. It’s just not true though. This country is kept going by the few for the many!

 

Will some people dodges taxes yeah but that not unique to rich people it’s just the impact is much bigger.

 

Your stereotypical rich corrupt man evading taxes is about as accurate as benefits receipants being work shy lazy scrounges to be honest. 

 

The biggest issue around tax is we have an outdated system for the world we live in. This is compounded by globalisation and wealth no longer being localised.

 

 

 

 

 

Fantastic post.

 

Capitalism evil

Tories evil

Rich people evil

 

Such lazy arguments. 

[maroonlegions]

Look no further than the appointment of this very shady woman to see just how corrupt Tories like Bojo Johnstone are.

 

Total and utter lunatic appointment by Bojo , this man is all over the place. Tax breaks for the super rich and now he appoints her to look after our national security.  

 

 

[maroonlegions]

28 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

 

Fantastic post.

 

Capitalism evil

Tories evil

Rich people evil

 

Such lazy arguments. 

Pile of utter Tory cop outs.

 

Tax havens.  Austerity on the poorest, constant  cuts and penny pinching on our public services, including health and social care authorities. The 1% have seen their increase in wealth increase .  Benefit fraud is a small %  compared to tax evasion  by the wealthy.

 

Where have you and the Selfservatives  supporters on here been for the last 10 years of Tory Austerity .

 

To say that the lives of the many have improved and been supported by the few at the top is fecking mind blowing arrogance , in fact  your ignorance of the real effects of the brutal draconian austerity war on the poor, yes that's the  many, is self evident.

 

Go tell the nurses and those IN WORK visiting fecking food banks that the fecking FEW give a **** about the many, In fact go tell that to the countless charities on the front line who work directly with those in real hardship  and in work poverty that the few are doing such a splendid job for the many these past years under this Tory  government, you would be laughed at.

 

If you really believe that that the many and their quality of lives has improved under these Tory gangsters then i suggest you look deeper at the facts  what that UN poverty report  found out about the true reality of  Tory Austerity on the many.    Lazy arguments indeed,  

[Cade]

Tax havens is not about individual people hiding a few quid offshore.

It's about huge multinationals hiding hundreds of billions offshore.

The UK has nominal control over most of the worst tax havens.

The EU is at the forefront of combating tax havens.

This is what Brexit is about.

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

Look no further than the appointment of this very shady woman to see just how corrupt Tories like Bojo Johnstone are.

 

Total and utter lunatic appointment by Bojo , this man is all over the place. Tax breaks for the super rich and now he appoints her to look after our national security.  

 

 

I’ve read quite a bit about this cow.

An absolutely dangerous woman.

[Cade]

Boris: "We will not go into new negotiations unless the EU scraps the backstop!!"

 

EU: "We've been telling you lot for months, there will be no more negotiations."

 

Man's a tool.

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, Cade said:

Boris: "We will not go into new negotiations unless the EU scraps the backstop!!"

 

EU: "We've been telling you lot for months, there will be no more negotiations."

 

Man's a tool.

It’s the start of the Golden Age.

[Victorian]

And no going straight to future trade deal discussions either,    as has been drooled about.     The EU have said this wont happen until a backstop solution exists.

 

These tits think we can go hard Brexit to avoid ****ing about with the WA... then negotiate a trade deal from there.     The EU have other ideas.

[Mikey1874]

The fun is starting 

 

 

[Cruyff Turn]

18 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

The fun is starting 

 

 

Can’t wait until post Brexit Britain when we’re all walking around in 3 piece suits bowler hats with a pipe in one hand and a cane in the other. 

[Roxy Hearts]

11 hours ago, Who_put_the_ball_in... said:

Income tax for those in Scotland is set by the Scottish Government hence professionals are already hammered for income tax. The SNP would happily turn Scotland into a socialist sh*te hole. 

If we gain independence there's a Scottish general election to choose our government and that's the point. Stop bleating on about the SNP! Some absolute hard of thinking dimwits on here. No wonder Britain is a mess.