Robbo-Jambo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Spellczech said: The ref ended it as she'd lost control. There were some tasty tackles going in and a lot of chatter. Can you imagine having 22 women nipping at you all at the same time? I'd blow my whistle too... She shouldn't be in the job then. The injury time was basically never played then. Farcical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 If VAR ever decides a penalty shoot out all penalty takers will just need to ensure they get it between the sticks to guarantee a retake. You could be there until midnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: But this is how FIFA are going to implement the rule in the men's game too. I could be wrong, but I believe the keeper isn't allowed to stand behind the line and move forward either! It's not a surprise, but FIFA have seriously ****ed it with these rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, kila said: The lack of added time too, quite incredible The penalty VAR claim began at 86:07 The penalty was finally scored after a retake on 93:18 Ref blows for full time on 95:10 This is the scandal, absolutely ridiculous from the referee. There should have been a minimum of 6 minutes left as she was adding on 4 before the var nonsense started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Taffin said: You'd need to show the penalty taker too. Did the ref actually review this or just rely on the VAR team to tell her to get it retaken (same as last night) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, Robbo-Jambo said: She shouldn't be in the job then. The injury time was basically never played then. Farcical. True. It was debateble who had the worst performance between the referee and the Scottish No 2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Spellczech said: You'd need to show the penalty taker too. Did the ref actually review this or just rely on the VAR team to tell her to get it retaken (same as last night) That's at exactly the point the kicker hits the ball. I cropped it to make the image size small enough for kickback to let me post it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2019/06/19/scotland-vs-argentina-womens-world-cup-live-score-latest-updates/ It's at the 21.58 update Edited June 19, 2019 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, jambokev said: Why did they not use VAR in Japan game when Scotland could have had two pens and won the game then ? Because FIFA need an Asian team to qualify and they would have been out if they had failed to beat us. Corruption through and through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Worst part was that the retaken penalty was struck worse than the first one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, graygo said: This is the scandal, absolutely ridiculous from the referee. There should have been a minimum of 6 minutes left as she was adding on 4 before the var nonsense started. So that should have been 8 mins for the VAR time and then 4 she had already said should be added. Edited June 19, 2019 by Lovecraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Taffin said: Incredible. The only way this daft rule can be complied with is if the keeper starts in the ****ing net. A keeper’s natural movement when saving a ball is to move towards it. That’s why the keeper looked static when the retake was taken. Makes it near on impossible to save penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Penalty shoot outs will take weeks with this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 That still image doesn't say much when the taker isn't in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Taffin said: I don't think she is off the line. I think her left heel is still partly above the line in that photo. Most goalies that save a pen have no part of their feet on the line and the save stands. Unless they are standing on the fecking six yard line. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Taffin said: 9 minutes ago, Taffin said: I don't think she is off the line. I think her left heel is still partly above the line in that photo. She was in the air, off the line. But very harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: That still image doesn't say much when the taker isn't in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Incredible. The only way this daft rule can be complied with is if the keeper starts in the ****ing net. A keeper’s natural movement when saving a ball is to move towards it. That’s why the keeper looked static when the retake was taken. Makes it near on impossible to save penalties. Exactly every bloody penalty will need to be retaken. Goalies have to be given a bit of leeway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, Lovecraft said: The game’s ****ed. That’s every penalty ever taken btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Penalty shoot outs will take weeks with this shit. If the goalie gets a yellow card for not being on the line what happens if they do it a second time? Is that meant to be a red?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: Correct. It’s impossible to drop straight down with momentum to try to save a penalty. It’s natural physics to move forward a bit. You could tell the fear of moving off the line again hindered the goalie for the re-take. She would have been sent off if she did it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Not to mention the fact in the lead up to the pen Scotland were making a sub at the free kick and the second the player stepped on the pitch the ref allowed the free kick to be taken? Not even letting the Scotland player get into position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, CostaJambo said: If the goalie gets a yellow card for not being on the line what happens if they do it a second time? Is that meant to be a red?!! Surely it must be. And imagine if its during a penalty shoot out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: Unbelievable. Has that been photoshopped? (I know it hasn't) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Ref allowed Argentina to kick lumps out of Cuthbert in particular. The one early in second half when left back taken out miles late should have been a red card review but nope, move on, nothing to see here. No point in trying to improve women's game when they allow their women refs to **** everything up. Please note this doesn't excuse the manager for getting her tactics so wrong in last 15 minutes. Hope Solo proved correct in her criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: The only VAR replay we saw showed keeper moving an inch off her line but we never saw the taker at the same time as provided by view here. Can anyone say with 100% confidence that this was the screen used by VAR team or do they just look at keeper coming off line and decide on retake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: Not sure if you meant to quote me or the guy that asked the question you’ve answered! Anyway, what are goalies supposed to do with this new rule? Stand a yard behind the line so they can get some momentum going in a dive even though that means they’ll be further away from the ball making it harder to save but helps them avoid a yellow card and a re-take? Rethink required to make it practical. As has been said previously, keeper not allowed to stand behind line either, must be on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Ref allowed Argentina to kick lumps out of Cuthbert in particular. The one early in second half when left back taken out miles late should have been a red card review but nope, move on, nothing to see here. No point in trying to improve women's game when they allow their women refs to **** everything up. Please note this doesn't excuse the manager for getting her tactics so wrong in last 15 minutes. Hope Solo proved correct in her criticism. I've actually been quite impressed with the referees in the few games I've watched but tonights was a total disgrace. She allowed the argies to boot our players up and down but penalised us for them throwing themselves to the ground. She looked an arrogant wee prick as well. In fact don't be surprised if the GFA are already trying to recruit her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: Not sure if you meant to quote me or the guy that asked the question you’ve answered! Anyway, what are goalies supposed to do with this new rule? Stand a yard behind the line so they can get some momentum going in a dive even though that means they’ll be further away from the ball making it harder to save but helps them avoid a yellow card and a re-take? Rethink required to make it practical. I was replying to your point about her being scared to move the second time but yes it did answer the other question. To answer your other point, the keepers are not allowed to stand behind the line either, mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: The only VAR replay we saw showed keeper moving an inch off her line but we never saw the taker at the same time as provided by view here. Can anyone say with 100% confidence that this was the screen used by VAR team or do they just look at keeper coming off line and decide on retake. I saw it live and the replay I seen was from behind the goals. She did look like she off the line when it was taken. Not by much though. Edited June 19, 2019 by Lovecraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: She was in the air, off the line. But very harsh. Doesn't matter. As long as part of her foot is inline with the line then it's not an issue. It doesn't need to be physically touching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 That referee has possibly knocked both Argentina and Scotland out of the competition with her haste to get the final whistle blown. She's failed to take into account the fact that the penalty /VAR incidents took up the entire injury time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The new rules https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/new-football-law-changes-for-201920/%3fdisplayMode=GoogleAmp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Still, it’s got everyone talking about the women’s World Cup, so not all bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lovecraft said: I saw it live and the replay I seen was from behind the goals. She did look like she off the line when it was taken. Not by much though. But if you don't see taker, you cannot be 100% certain that she was off line when kick taken. The image from behind goal could be a split second after ball touched. VAR introduced way before it was ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Taffin said: Doesn't matter. As long as part of her foot is inline with the line then it's not an issue. It doesn't need to be physically touching it. Correct The goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot on/in line with the goal line when the kick is taken; cannot stand behind the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Hopefully that ref just reffed her last ever game. Clueless to what was going on around her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecce Romanov Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Cruel blow. IMO some of the women are really excellent, but others (e.g. Smith) were poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Ecce Romanov said: Cruel blow. IMO some of the women are really excellent, but others (e.g. Smith) were poor Have to agree. Really shows that some players are full time and others aren’t IMO. Scotland unsurprisingly don’t seem to have same squad depth as England. Really gutted for them, especially since our best players are really very skilful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ecce Romanov said: Cruel blow. IMO some of the women are really excellent, but others (e.g. Smith) were poor Cuthbert and Weir are wonderful players. Comparatively miles ahead of any men we have imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said: Correct The goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot on/in line with the goal line when the kick is taken; cannot stand behind the line Perhaps it was retaken because she was standing behind the line to start with then, rather than moving forward from the goal line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Perhaps it was retaken because she was standing behind the line to start with then, rather than moving forward from the goal line? It'll be whatever it needs to be until they get the result they want. That's the power of VAR really. They control the camera angles and replays. Some decisions use angles that aren't the full story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, CostaJambo said: If the goalie gets a yellow card for not being on the line what happens if they do it a second time? Is that meant to be a red?!! Ridiculous but the answer would have to be yes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: As has been said previously, keeper not allowed to stand behind line either, must be on line. Wonder if they will allow them to breathe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Perhaps it was retaken because she was standing behind the line to start with then, rather than moving forward from the goal line? The poor lassie didnt really stand a chance then really. Farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 52 minutes ago, Barack said: Good job we're too cheap as a governing body in Scotland, to have this new fangled VAR thingy. Be armageddon in the streets again with penalty reviews going against Rangers & Celtic. Lives have been saved, thankfully. In all seriousness though, this VAR milarkey is only as good as the arseholes using it, as shown tonight. I can see utter carnage in some games here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 If you watch the penalty save in the England v Argentina game the keeper is of her line but that wasn’t order to retake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said: If you watch the penalty save in the England v Argentina game the keeper is of her line but that wasn’t order to retake. Correct. Has to be the same standards across all games. No idea how a keeper can stay on the line at a penalty without some forward movement. Crazy. Massive advantage to the kick taker. Farce of an ending the the Scottish womens campaign. Left it too late with subs imo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Lovecraft said: Can’t say for definite with that image, but looks damn close. I did however think one of her feet was above the line whilst watching the replays on the tv and therefore no retake imo. 4 hours ago, Jambomuzz said: Not to mention the fact in the lead up to the pen Scotland were making a sub at the free kick and the second the player stepped on the pitch the ref allowed the free kick to be taken? Not even letting the Scotland player get into position The referee blows the whistle to play on, just before she enters the field of play. She was then well out of position when they were putting it in the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Just seen the Penalty decision on the news. That's pathetic, you should just award a goal, because other than missing the target, goalkeepers have no chance now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Good to see the girls following in the boys footsteps by blowing it royally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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