davemclaren Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 3 hours ago, rick witter said: Spot on To be fair, Celtic and Rangers fans ‘not accepting’ defeats by teams below them doesn’t actually prevent it from happening. Quote
been here before Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Elwood P said: But a draw is the award of 1 point to each team so surely it isn’t a draw either? I reckon it was more a win than a draw. Maybe just a positive / negative mindset as the previous poster suggested. Christ. Have you moved to Hamilton? Quote
Gambo Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Jammy T said: Makes what alright? We just got to the semi of one cup and the final of another - what are you going on about?? And won f-all. You tried to justify not winning 4 games v lower league teams because other Hearts managers before had not done it. Most Hearts fans would say that we should be winning these 4 games, not looking g for excuses before the games have taken place. We should be expecting to win all 4, it might not happen but we should be expecting to win all 4. Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, been here before said: Christ. Have you moved to Hamilton? No just think if one team gets awarded double the amount of points the other team is awarded, then it can’t constitute a draw. Sure if we had lost the penalty shootout plenty of folk would claim we had lost the match . Quote
been here before Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: No just think if one team gets awarded double the amount of points the other team is awarded, then it can’t constitute a draw. Sure if we had lost the penalty shootout plenty of folk would claim we had lost the match . OK you're not in Hamilton. Shall we give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just being obtuse then? Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, been here before said: OK you're not in Hamilton. Shall we give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just being obtuse then? Not being obtuse at all. A draw both teams get equal points. As I said it’s a weird quirk of the BetFred Cup. Any other competition in football history a penalty shootout win, means that you win the match. This setup is a weird grey area. If we win two home games outright and win the two away games on penalties we’d have 10 points and win the group regardless. Quote
been here before Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Not being obtuse at all. A draw both teams get equal points. As I said it’s a weird quirk of the BetFred Cup. Any other competition in football history a penalty shootout win, means that you win the match. This setup is a weird grey area. If we win two home games outright and win the two away games on penalties we’d have 10 points and win the group regardless. Theres only a grey are if one of 3 things are happening... 1. You're in Hamilton 2. You're being obtuse 3. You're stupid. Quote
Mikey1874 Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: But a draw is the award of 1 point to each team so surely it isn’t a draw either? I reckon it was more a win than a draw. Maybe just a positive / negative mindset as the previous poster suggested. 29 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Not being obtuse at all. A draw both teams get equal points. As I said it’s a weird quirk of the BetFred Cup. Any other competition in football history a penalty shootout win, means that you win the match. This setup is a weird grey area. If we win two home games outright and win the two away games on penalties we’d have 10 points and win the group regardless. You have got a point. Whoever wrote the Wikipedia page has got an interesting take on the group table which distinguishes the penalty games. Possibly taking their lead from Betfred. Others show the games as draws. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_Scottish_League_Cup Edited June 5, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, been here before said: Theres only a grey are if one of 3 things are happening... 1. You're in Hamilton 2. You're being obtuse 3. You're stupid. Perhaps not appreciating that a grey area exists is stupid? If we win on penalties against Dundee United and both teams win their subsequent 3 games we win the group by one point. That penalty shootout would determine the winner of the group. Definitely looks like a win to me. Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: You have got a point. Whoever wrote the Wikipedia page has got an interesting take on the group table which distinguishes the penalty games. Possibly taking their lead from Betfred. Others show the games as draws. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_Scottish_League_Cup Nice to see someone do some research instead of just dismissing another point of view as being ‘stupid’! It can be interpreted different ways and it seems different media sources have done just that. Worth noting that if you won all four games on penalties you would have 8 points, where as a team that won 2 games in 90 mins and lost 2 games in 90 mins would only have 6. Quote
Shaggy2 Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 What a weird argument over not a lot. At the end of the day there are two ways to WIN a Betfred tie, over 90 minutes or on penalties. You cannot draw a Betfred game and the extra point can prove crucial as it did in our case because of the deduction. Having said that, you can bet on the draw over 90 minutes, and officially it’s 1-1 for gambling purposes. It just gives bookies more ways to skin a punter (great for the sponsor) as they’ll pay out on Home/Away/Draw over 90 mins, as Raith v Hearts was, plus they’ll add the option of Home/Away on pens. People may chase their losses with the penalties as an in-play bet, which again the sponsor will love! Quote
kila Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Perhaps not appreciating that a grey area exists is stupid? If we win on penalties against Dundee United and both teams win their subsequent 3 games we win the group by one point. That penalty shootout would determine the winner of the group. Definitely looks like a win to me. Way I see it is for stat reasons, a draw after 90 mins of football is a draw. Penalty shootouts, especially that point in 'pre-season' make it even more of a random decider. Might help a team get out the group, but it shouldn't mask a draw into making it seem better. Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, kila said: Way I see it is for stat reasons, a draw after 90 mins of football is a draw. Penalty shootouts, especially that point in 'pre-season' make it even more of a random decider. Might help a team get out the group, but it shouldn't mask a draw into making it seem better. I don’t think the BetFred Cup is pre-season and the whole point of a penalty shootout is to determine a winner. In the Istanbul Champions League Final after Liverpool 3 v 3 Milan, did Milan feel like they’d drawn the match after losing the penalty shootout? Quote
kila Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: I don’t think the BetFred Cup is pre-season and the whole point of a penalty shootout is to determine a winner. In the Istanbul Champions League Final after Liverpool 3 v 3 Milan, did Milan feel like they’d drawn the match after losing the penalty shootout? I mean at the point of the season that it happens, it is a very early start. So the penalties might not be the most polished Milan drew after 120 mins of playing actual football but it still couldn't be decided who is best. If you tell people Liverpool won the final but don't mention it went to penalties, it masks the game and that it was all square. For stats, I'd say that game was a draw, with Liverpool winning on penalties. Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, kila said: I mean at the point of the season that it happens, it is a very early start. So the penalties might not be the most polished Milan drew after 120 mins of playing actual football but it still couldn't be decided who is best. If you tell people Liverpool won the final but don't mention it went to penalties, it masks the game and that it was all square. For stats, I'd say that game was a draw, with Liverpool winning on penalties. No doubt that the result after 90 minutes is a draw. I just think the determination of the result of the match overall is decided by the penalty shootout. Quote
kila Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: No doubt that the result after 90 minutes is a draw. I just think the determination of the result of the match overall is decided by the penalty shootout. It depends on the context of what you are comparing though, the purpose of the stats you are using. You can use penalty shootouts to mask games into making them look like wins after 90 or 120 mins of football. Which isn't a fair comparison to wins that were achieved by actually playing football and within time. Edited June 5, 2019 by kila Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 1 minute ago, kila said: It depends on the context of what you are comparing though, the purpose of the stats you are using. You can use penalty shootouts to mask games into making them look like wins. That’s why penalties are used exclusively in cup competitions though, they determine who wins and who loses. The only thing that matters is getting to the next round, then getting to the next round and then lifting the cup. The winner is the team that progresses. If we’d beaten Celtic on penalties two weeks ago it would still be one of our greatest victories. Quote
davemclaren Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, kila said: It depends on the context of what you are comparing though, the purpose of the stats you are using. You can use penalty shootouts to mask games into making them look like wins after 90 or 120 mins of football. Which isn't a fair comparison to wins that were achieved by actually playing football and within time. ?????♂️? Quote
i8hibsh Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 Summer camps in Ireland and trips to John O'Grotes eh Quote
Beast Boy Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Summer camps in Ireland and trips to John O'Grotes eh Aaawww... have fun mate. Sounds brilliant. You taking the ferries? Quote
davemclaren Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: Summer camps in Ireland and trips to John O'Grotes eh Is that important? I tend to find the preseason a poor indicator of form through the season. Quote
jambosdad Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 That date is a bit ominous and TV coverage as well. Hopefully Billy Boys will be away marching and no bad publicity for us. Quote
Footballfirst Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) Heart of MidlothianVerified account @JamTarts 26s26 seconds ago More Tickets for our two Betfred Cup group stage home games will go on sale to season ticket holders on Thursday ! vs Dundee Utd (12/07) vs Stenhousemuir (24/07) Adults: £12 | O65s & Students: £6 | Kids (U16s): £3 Edited June 10, 2019 by Footballfirst Quote
Shanks said no Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Heart of MidlothianVerified account @JamTarts 26s26 seconds ago More Tickets for our two Betfred Cup group stage home games will go on sale to season ticket holders on Thursday ! vs Dundee Utd (12/07) vs Stenhousemuir (24/07) Adults: £12 | O65s & Students: £6 | Kids (U16s): £3 Loyalty points? Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Heart of MidlothianVerified account @JamTarts 26s26 seconds ago More Tickets for our two Betfred Cup group stage home games will go on sale to season ticket holders on Thursday ! vs Dundee Utd (12/07) vs Stenhousemuir (24/07) Adults: £12 | O65s & Students: £6 | Kids (U16s): £3 Decent. Quote
Newton51 Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Only main stand and Gorgie fir united game. Main only for Cowdenbeath. No wheat field unless demand there. I know this caused issues last season Quote
been here before Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Heart of MidlothianVerified account @JamTarts 26s26 seconds ago More Tickets for our two Betfred Cup group stage home games will go on sale to season ticket holders on Thursday ! vs Dundee Utd (12/07) vs Stenhousemuir (24/07) Adults: £12 | O65s & Students: £6 | Kids (U16s): £3 Id forgotten about this. Football is back!! 3 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Only main stand and Gorgie fir united game. Main only for Cowdenbeath. No wheat field unless demand there. I know this caused issues last season It didnt really. It just caused a few whinging dicks on here to lose their shite over not very much. Quote
Notts1874 Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Skylounge open for Dundee Utd game. £108. Three course meal and free drink. Quote
Mr Elwood P Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Only main stand and Gorgie fir united game. Main only for Cowdenbeath. No wheat field unless demand there. I know this caused issues last season Yeah, 5,000 supporters won’t be back. Mad Budgie Ooooot Quote
Jambo01 Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 For the Dundee united game I am a season ticket holder but need an additional ticket for a family member. Will i need to wait until general sale? Quote
Lambo85 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 More E ticket problems. I am trying to buy 3 tickets for the Dundee Utd match and its not letting me Assign the other 2 tickets to my Dad and my mate even though they are season ticket holders. Quote
Lambo85 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) "There are errors on the page Unfortunately, the client you have selected does not have the correct criteria to purchase seats on this event. Please check what is required to purchase seats on this event and try again." There is the warning I am getting. Even though the people I am trying to assign are season ticket holders. New Season same E Ticket shambles. Edited June 13, 2019 by Lambo85 Quote
stevie7147 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lambo85 said: "There are errors on the page Unfortunately, the client you have selected does not have the correct criteria to purchase seats on this event. Please check what is required to purchase seats on this event and try again." There is the warning I am getting. Even though the people I am trying to assign are season ticket holders. New Season same E Ticket shambles. having the same problem too Quote
GorgieFifeLife Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Yet another shambles when it comes to buying tickets we really are absolute tinpot in this respect. Quote
Lambo85 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 I am sick of getting onto E tcikets early. Picking really good seats. Then because of a cock up in the system, having to wait to buy them and ended up with a worse seat. Hearts need to sort this out. Quote
WeeToonJambo Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) I had the same problem plus it didn't show the seating plan. Logged out and back in again, Worked perfectly this time and tickets purchased for both games. Chose print at home and now have the tickets in front of me. Edited June 13, 2019 by WeeToonJambo Quote
vintage1874 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, WeeToonJambo said: I had the same problem plus it didn't show the seating plan. Logged out and back in again, Worked perfectly this time and tickets purchased for both games. Chose print at home and now have the tickets in front of me. I only got the option of collect from TO no postage or print at home. Och well an excuse to head through to tynie over summer Quote
gnasher75 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Glad it's not just me. I got through to the ticket office and got the tickets I wanted with no problem. But a waste of 40 minutes of my life! I reported the problem that we're have online and was told there wasn't a problem! Quote
Lambo85 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, WeeToonJambo said: I had the same problem plus it didn't show the seating plan. Logged out and back in again, Worked perfectly this time and tickets purchased for both games. Chose print at home and now have the tickets in front of me. I logged out and logged back in but still having the same problems. Not letting me assign anyone to the other 2 tickets that I need even though they are ST holders. Trip to the TO at lunch in the pissing rain for me then. Quote
gnasher75 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 One thing to try... if it's under 16s, log in to their accounts and make sure that there is a permission box ticked for you to buy tickets on their behalf. Quote
Lambo85 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, gnasher75 said: Glad it's not just me. I got through to the ticket office and got the tickets I wanted with no problem. But a waste of 40 minutes of my life! I reported the problem that we're have online and was told there wasn't a problem! I wonder if it is a problem at Hearts end as I have noticed that my loyalty points for renewing my season ticket have not been added yet. Quote
Lambo85 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Just now, gnasher75 said: One thing to try... if it's under 16s, log in to their accounts and make sure that there is a permission box ticked for you to buy tickets on their behalf. Its not under 16's mate. Its for my Dad and my mate. Quote
Mikey1874 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Lambo85 said: I wonder if it is a problem at Hearts end as I have noticed that my loyalty points for renewing my season ticket have not been added yet. No not yet Quote
Mikey1874 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 On 10/06/2019 at 16:11, The Frenchman Returns said: Loyalty points? 3 loyalty points per game Quote
The Treasurer Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lambo85 said: More E ticket problems. I am trying to buy 3 tickets for the Dundee Utd match and its not letting me Assign the other 2 tickets to my Dad and my mate even though they are season ticket holders. Having the same problem. Not able to assign tickets to others on my network. When I first logged on it was came up with tickets for the cup final !!! There is clearly a problem with the e-ticket system that the club really need to get sorted out. Edited June 13, 2019 by The Treasurer Quote
HMFC86 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Bit silly the season ticket holders only thing imo. We could 2 buy tickets per account for the semi. ive got my tickets for the Stenhousemuir game but have to wait till next week to get the Dundee United ones cause there’s a non season ticket holder. Can see see the logic if the whole stadiums open so folk can retain their season ticket seat but with half it’s a tad silly. Quote
rocketman19 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Got my kids and my tickets for both home cup games so roll on 4 weeks tomorow for football back Quote
JCR Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Not working at all on IOS as far as I can see. I went on to a windows PC and it was okay there, hopefully. Quote
The Treasurer Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Lambo85 said: "There are errors on the page Unfortunately, the client you have selected does not have the correct criteria to purchase seats on this event. Please check what is required to purchase seats on this event and try again." There is the warning I am getting. Even though the people I am trying to assign are season ticket holders. New Season same E Ticket shambles. I was having the same problem earlier but it seems to be sorted now. Might be worth trying again Quote
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