Sharpie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I watched the news yesterday to see if any result came from the big White House meeting, nothing, stalemate. What was quite interesting to me was Trump making a statement that he would have made a really good General. As one would expect this led to a review of his military deferments from service potentally in Vietnam. He received four education related deferments, in 1968 he had graduated so was listed as liable for service. He was examined by a family doctor who diagnosed a bone spur. Trump was later interviewed about this and stated it was on the heel of one foot, he was unable to say which foot. On a later interview he stated that the problem was on both feet, when further questioned he removed his shoes and advised the interviewer the spurs were on the back of his heels, he stated there was no limitations to his ability to walk but that doing long distance marches as done by the military was out of the question so he had a medical deferment. It was later found that the doctor doing the diagnosis was paid well for the examination, and was living in a Trump owned apartment for a very low rent, it was also suggested that where Trump indicated the spurs were present was not in fact a proper location for such a condition. It wasn't stated but my own opinion is that this man who claims a superior intellect thought because he was supposed to have bone spurs that he felt they would be where one would wear spurs. Even if I liked or at least respected the man, by his own mouth and ridiculous claims he would have destroyed that feeling, he is without doubt an idiot of the first order, why do people especially those in a position of power continue to pander to him, when it all comes to the ultimate end, like the Titanic escape will be too late and they will go down with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Ulysses said: Don't go down the rabbit hole, UA. Just saying. Wasn't planning on it, but cheers all the same. I figure you occasionally extend some folks some good faith -- did it with niblick periodically. But trying to do better about getting in pointless arguments. The old saying about wrestling a pig... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said: The Dept of Defense is being run by a former Boeing Exec, The EPA is being run by a former Coal Industry Exec, the Dept of the Interior is about to be run by a former Oil Industry Lobbyist and Health & Human Services is run by a former Pharmaceutical lobbyist. How's the swamp draining going? That's a question for Francis, Alpha and Jake. Edited January 4, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Hopefully the coming Wall At collapse will finish this muppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Ugly American said: Wasn't planning on it, but cheers all the same. I figure you occasionally extend some folks some good faith -- did it with niblick periodically. But trying to do better about getting in pointless arguments. The old saying about wrestling a pig... You know, I've been thinking for a while that this place is fractionally less bat shit crazy than it used to be and I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I realise it's because Nibbles seems to have disappeared. The New World Order finally get to him then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, Normthebarman said: You know, I've been thinking for a while that this place is fractionally less bat shit crazy than it used to be and I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I realise it's because Nibbles seems to have disappeared. The New World Order finally get to him then? The kiss of death post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: The kiss of death post. Aw ****. I figured it'd be safe as I thought he'd been ban hammered. Is he just on holiday then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Normthebarman said: Aw ****. I figured it'd be safe as I thought he'd been ban hammered. Is he just on holiday then? I’m sure he disappeared before for a while then reappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, Normthebarman said: You know, I've been thinking for a while that this place is fractionally less bat shit crazy than it used to be and I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I realise it's because Nibbles seems to have disappeared. The New World Order finally get to him then? He's not the only gobshite on a sabbatical, there are a couple of other prominent bollocksmiths giving us peace just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Ugly American said: Wasn't planning on it, but cheers all the same. I figure you occasionally extend some folks some good faith -- did it with niblick periodically. But trying to do better about getting in pointless arguments. The old saying about wrestling a pig... I have no idea what rabbit hole I might have been dragging you down but I don't think anyone is asking you for your "good faith". On Trump (for whom I have never expressed any love or respect) and Brexit the board is increasingly intolerant of any view which differs not just in opinion but in the manner of expressing opinion from the consensus. Which if you are into talking to a mirror (or your kettle) is I suppose fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ugly American said: Wasn't planning on it, but cheers all the same. I figure you occasionally extend some folks some good faith -- did it with niblick periodically. But trying to do better about getting in pointless arguments. The old saying about wrestling a pig... There's nothing wrong with a good argument or debate, and you won't always get that from people who agree with you. It's sensible to distinguish between diversity and toxicity, and to give the latter a wide berth. But temptation can be a terrible thing. I've never wrestled a pig, so I can legitimately claim to be undefeated in that sport. Edited January 4, 2019 by Ulysses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: I have no idea what rabbit hole I might have been dragging you down but I don't think anyone is asking you for your "good faith". On Trump (for whom I have never expressed any love or respect) and Brexit the board is increasingly intolerant of any view which differs not just in opinion but in the manner of expressing opinion from the consensus. Which if you are into talking to a mirror (or your kettle) is I suppose fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 trump is willing to have the government shutdown last months or years if he doesn't get funding for his wall https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46763940 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, milky_26 said: trump is willing to have the government shutdown last months or years if he doesn't get funding for his wall https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46763940 He should be sectioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I see that Trump is resorting to fast and loose logic when it comes to his campaign promise that Mexico will pay for the wall. "Mexico will be paying for the wall because they signed a trade agreement to replace NAFTA." Oh, OK then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Francis Albert said: I have no idea what rabbit hole I might have been dragging you down but I don't think anyone is asking you for your "good faith". On Trump (for whom I have never expressed any love or respect) and Brexit the board is increasingly intolerant of any view which differs not just in opinion but in the manner of expressing opinion from the consensus. Which if you are into talking to a mirror (or your kettle) is I suppose fine. "Good faith" is essential to a good conversation, even in heated disagreement. It means that both sides are entering the conversation actually interested in hashing the point out, rather than point-scoring, trolling for effect, or adopting a posture for show. I'd suggest you try it some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidelight Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 17 hours ago, ri Alban said: That's a question for Francis, Alpha and Jake. I think that its best for me to confine my viewing of all things presidential to ‘Designated Survivor.’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry mccauley Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Come back Adolf .....all is forgiven.......... Sums up the Trump-et.... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 03/01/2019 at 18:59, Craig Gordons Gloves said: The Dept of Defense is being run by a former Boeing Exec, The EPA is being run by a former Coal Industry Exec, the Dept of the Interior is about to be run by a former Oil Industry Lobbyist and Health & Human Services is run by a former Pharmaceutical lobbyist. How's the swamp draining going? To be fair he's drained it of people pro-those industries and just put them in charge. So quite well, I suppose. As desperately sad that is. Especially on climate change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I actually heard Dump say that the 1m people he is depriving of pay would say "keep going with the shutdown". Let them eat wall, eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 03/01/2019 at 21:20, bobsharp said: What was quite interesting to me was Trump making a statement that he would have made a really good General. I think Trump has just had his Dubya moment, you know the one, when Bush Jnr stood on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln and said that it was 'mission accomplished in Iraq'. Seems that the US is now backtracking from the statement made by Field-Marshal Trump that ISIS were defeated and that all US troops would be coming home, because John Bolton has just said on a visit to Israel that the withdrawl of US troops was conditional on the defeat of the remaining pockets of ISIS fighters which still remain in Syria. But but but weren't we reliably informed by the USA's greatest ever war hero that ISIS had already been defeated. And to highlight that ISIS are still a threat in Syria, it's being reported here in the UK that 2 SAS soldiers have been badly injured and a Kurdish soldier killed in a rocket attack launched by ISIS on their position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I think Trump has just had his Dubya moment, you know the one, when Bush Jnr stood on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln and said that it was 'mission accomplished in Iraq'. Seems that the US is now backtracking from the statement made by Field-Marshal Trump that ISIS were defeated and that all US troops would be coming home, because John Bolton has just said on a visit to Israel that the withdrawl of US troops was conditional on the defeat of the remaining pockets of ISIS fighters which still remain in Syria. But but but weren't we reliably informed by the USA's greatest ever war hero that ISIS had already been defeated. And to highlight that ISIS are still a threat in Syria, it's being reported here in the UK that 2 SAS soldiers have been badly injured and a Kurdish soldier killed in a rocket attack launched by ISIS on their position. Trump say it how it is, bit lost on the lefties on here, tbf im not a fan , but some get their knickers in a twist, hes the main man in the usa get over it., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Trump say it how it is, bit lost on the lefties on here, tbf im not a fan , but some get their knickers in a twist, hes the main man in the usa get over it., Naw, he just makes up utter lies or repeats conspiracy theories he saw on telly, quite often contradicting himself multiple times per day. The US administration is in complete chaos, running on the whims of a dangerously unstable, deluded and very possibly senile old man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 33 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Trump say it how it is, bit lost on the lefties on here, tbf im not a fan , but some get their knickers in a twist, hes the main man in the usa get over it., He quite literally does the opposite of that. God damn righties not paying attention eh? Put your specs on Harry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Trump say it how it is, bit lost on the lefties on here, tbf im not a fan , but some get their knickers in a twist, hes the main man in the usa get over it., Sorry but I have to disagree with that statement, this from a lifetime conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, bobsharp said: Sorry but I have to disagree with that statement, this from a lifetime conservative. Whatever bud from a shop/steward labour dude , problem now most head of state (syria) lies and hurts his own folk. My dad could not go past the tories, miss him so much Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I have seen a few medical and psych experts interviewed on TV about Trump. There is a somewhat consensus that Trum actually believes what he says, it sounds to me like they are saying he has his own sense of reality, what he is stating is what he sees in his own mind, I find that even more terrifying than my opinion that he is a compulsive liar, a con man, and has the character of the guys who used to sell kids a ball at the shows to throw at an item that was ac tually nailed to the wall and could not be knocked off so it could be won. A cheap crook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Harry Potter said: Trump say it how it is, bit lost on the lefties on here, tbf im not a fan , but some get their knickers in a twist, hes the main man in the usa get over it., He's the biggest proven liar the white house has seen, he literally says it how it isn't. Edited January 6, 2019 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Smithee said: He's the biggest proven liar the white house has seen, he literally says it how it isn't. Aye mate, but he was voted in by millions, i dont give a hobo about america but thats how it is FTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, bobsharp said: I have seen a few medical and psych experts interviewed on TV about Trump. There is a somewhat consensus that Trum actually believes what he says, it sounds to me like they are saying he has his own sense of reality, what he is stating is what he sees in his own mind, I find that even more terrifying than my opinion that he is a compulsive liar, a con man, and has the character of the guys who used to sell kids a ball at the shows to throw at an item that was ac tually nailed to the wall and could not be knocked off so it could be won. A cheap crook. So whats the story on the mups that voted him in bob, must have a reason, tbh like i said i dont care about the usa, apart from pumpin them at golf., one place i will never be, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Harry Potter said: Aye mate, but he was voted in by millions, i dont give a hobo about america but thats how it is FTH Well yeah but I don't see how that means I can't have an opinion on him, or how that makes him telling it how it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Smithee said: Well yeah but I don't see how that means I can't have an opinion on him, or how that makes him telling it how it is Your opinion is cool mate , sorry never meant that, we are gorgie boys. Trump gettin between us. wee thought there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Harry Potter said: Trump say it how it is, bit lost on the lefties on here, tbf im not a fan , but some get their knickers in a twist, hes the main man in the usa get over it., 21 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Aye mate, but he was voted in by millions, i dont give a hobo about america but thats how it is FTH 18 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: So whats the story on the mups that voted him in bob, must have a reason, tbh like i said i dont care about the usa, apart from pumpin them at golf., one place i will never be, For someone who doesn't give a damn about the USA, you seem to be getting quite excited about the opinions of people towards a man, who is the elected leader of a country you couldn't care less about. P.S. I'm many things but being a lefty certainly isn't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 57 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: So whats the story on the mups that voted him in bob, must have a reason, tbh like i said i dont care about the usa, apart from pumpin them at golf., one place i will never be, I believe a lot of the American population did feel a change was needed in American politics. They had elected the first black American President, with reasonable success. There was now something different needed, unfortunately the possible first woman President was, Hillary Clinton, and that was pretty well a no no right from the start, the second alternative was a supposedly succesful businessman with absolutely no political bac kground at all, he had TV experience and used it in the Campaign to show himself as a man of the people who would make changes that a person not a politico would make. He also appealed to the evangelicals with Roe v Wade and some gender choices. He showed some racial bias, and developed a following that is now described as his base. He campaigned heavily in States Clinton didn't and I understand that gave him the electoral college win that gave him the election, again as I understand without winning the popular vote. He has turned out ot be exactly what some were afraid of , a charicature of the person he portrayed in the Apprentice. He is over his head in the job, and does what he done in business, lies and tells the customer what he thinks they want to hear, because of his racial, religious , and anti left rhetoric his base still believe in him, but as happens in life they will, as most of us have at some time, wake up one morning, think this is not right and do something about what you have been misled into believing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, bobsharp said: I believe a lot of the American population did feel a change was needed in American politics. They had elected the first black American President, with reasonable success. There was now something different needed, unfortunately the possible first woman President was, Hillary Clinton, and that was pretty well a no no right from the start, the second alternative was a supposedly succesful businessman with absolutely no political bac kground at all, he had TV experience and used it in the Campaign to show himself as a man of the people who would make changes that a person not a politico would make. He also appealed to the evangelicals with Roe v Wade and some gender choices. He showed some racial bias, and developed a following that is now described as his base. He campaigned heavily in States Clinton didn't and I understand that gave him the electoral college win that gave him the election, again as I understand without winning the popular vote. He has turned out ot be exactly what some were afraid of , a charicature of the person he portrayed in the Apprentice. He is over his head in the job, and does what he done in business, lies and tells the customer what he thinks they want to hear, because of his racial, religious , and anti left rhetoric his base still believe in him, but as happens in life they will, as most of us have at some time, wake up one morning, think this is not right and do something about what you have been misled into believing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, bobsharp said: I believe a lot of the American population did feel a change was needed in American politics. They had elected the first black American President, with reasonable success. There was now something different needed, unfortunately the possible first woman President was, Hillary Clinton, and that was pretty well a no no right from the start, the second alternative was a supposedly succesful businessman with absolutely no political bac kground at all, he had TV experience and used it in the Campaign to show himself as a man of the people who would make changes that a person not a politico would make. He also appealed to the evangelicals with Roe v Wade and some gender choices. He showed some racial bias, and developed a following that is now described as his base. He campaigned heavily in States Clinton didn't and I understand that gave him the electoral college win that gave him the election, again as I understand without winning the popular vote. He has turned out ot be exactly what some were afraid of , a charicature of the person he portrayed in the Apprentice. He is over his head in the job, and does what he done in business, lies and tells the customer what he thinks they want to hear, because of his racial, religious , and anti left rhetoric his base still believe in him, but as happens in life they will, as most of us have at some time, wake up one morning, think this is not right and do something about what you have been misled into believing. Bit like british poliitics a waste o breath, been there, stopped a strike, i dont care anymore, leave the tree huggers to abuse trump/ Wheres the lefties feeding the poor, oh wait, too busy up their own cracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Bit like british poliitics a waste o breath, been there, stopped a strike, i dont care anymore, leave the tree huggers to abuse trump/ Wheres the lefties feeding the poor, oh wait, too busy up their own cracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Bit like british poliitics a waste o breath, been there, stopped a strike, i dont care anymore, leave the tree huggers to abuse trump/ Wheres the lefties feeding the poor, oh wait, too busy up their own cracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Read a couple of columnists, one in yesterday's Guardian and one in today's Mail who agreed on one thing - that in the case of Syria if not much else Trump has got it right. The area has huge armies, bristling with modern weapons (American, British and French) in states opposed to ISIS. There is no reason why these cannot take care of the remnants of ISIS without a mere 2000 US troops. Trump is the first president to challenge the disastrous JFK pledge to act as world policeman in defence of "liberty" (as defined by the US). After the disasters of the 50 odd years since JFK's pledge, not least the west's interventions in the Middle East and North Africa, this is surely something at least to be grateful for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Read a couple of columnists, one in yesterday's Guardian and one in today's Mail who agreed on one thing - that in the case of Syria if not much else Trump has got it right. The area has huge armies, bristling with modern weapons (American, British and French) in states opposed to ISIS. There is no reason why these cannot take care of the remnants of ISIS without a mere 2000 US troops. Trump is the first president to challenge the disastrous JFK pledge to act as world policeman in defence of "liberty" (as defined by the US). After the disasters of the 50 odd years since JFK's pledge, not least the west's interventions in the Middle East and North Africa, this is surely something at least to be grateful for. No argument with the content of your post, of course I am sure that you are as aware as I that journalists have as many opposite views as we do here on JKB. I personally see the biggest criticism of Trump in the Syria matter is that he seems to have arbitrarily made the decision himself without any consultation with those who are in the Cabinet and White House as advisers. Hence the resignation of Mattis, and condemnation by many of the Generals who have been and those who would never be members of the Presidents staff. Many are concerned about how he comes to some of his decisions, it is alleged he never reads briefing papers, listens to advisers then goes his own way anyway, and whether he likes it or not the United States regardless of the foundation of the responsibilities have put themselves in a position that any major withdrawl from some of these responsibilities will cost them greatly in foreign relations. I remember sitting in classrooms reading and being taught about the high international responsibilities of the Empire, and how the kilties marching behind a pipe band were the undefeatable enforcers of these policies and perceived responsibilities. We have now seen how that ended, and the mess the world that they protected has ended up. Console Talk rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Izemore Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Harry Potter said: So whats the story on the mups that voted him in bob, must have a reason, tbh like i said i dont care about the usa, apart from pumpin them at golf., one place i will never be, If you had been eligible to vote for Trump or Clinton who would you have voted for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, bobsharp said: No argument with the content of your post, of course I am sure that you are as aware as I that journalists have as many opposite views as we do here on JKB. I personally see the biggest criticism of Trump in the Syria matter is that he seems to have arbitrarily made the decision himself without any consultation with those who are in the Cabinet and White House as advisers. Hence the resignation of Mattis, and condemnation by many of the Generals who have been and those who would never be members of the Presidents staff. Many are concerned about how he comes to some of his decisions, it is alleged he never reads briefing papers, listens to advisers then goes his own way anyway, and whether he likes it or not the United States regardless of the foundation of the responsibilities have put themselves in a position that any major withdrawl from some of these responsibilities will cost them greatly in foreign relations. I remember sitting in classrooms reading and being taught about the high international responsibilities of the Empire, and how the kilties marching behind a pipe band were the undefeatable enforcers of these policies and perceived responsibilities. We have now seen how that ended, and the mess the world that they protected has ended up. This. Whenever the United States of America leaves a strategic geopolitical vacancy, it will be occupied by others, and generally speaking those others will not act in the best interests of the United States. There are many reasons why the United States may have to concede geopolitical space, but the buffoonery and childishness of an illiterate nincompoop are not good reasons. Ultimately, the real problem with Trump is not that he is stupid, or insecure, or childish, or skittish, or vulgar, or a laughing stock, or that he does things that piss off some people. Those failings are not unique to Trump. The real problem with Trump is that he does not act in the best interests of the United States of America. That is a very big and very obvious failing for a President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Trump say it how it is, bit lost on the lefties on here, tbf im not a fan , but some get their knickers in a twist, hes the main man in the usa get over it., ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, bobsharp said: No argument with the content of your post, of course I am sure that you are as aware as I that journalists have as many opposite views as we do here on JKB. I personally see the biggest criticism of Trump in the Syria matter is that he seems to have arbitrarily made the decision himself without any consultation with those who are in the Cabinet and White House as advisers. Hence the resignation of Mattis, and condemnation by many of the Generals who have been and those who would never be members of the Presidents staff. Many are concerned about how he comes to some of his decisions, it is alleged he never reads briefing papers, listens to advisers then goes his own way anyway, and whether he likes it or not the United States regardless of the foundation of the responsibilities have put themselves in a position that any major withdrawl from some of these responsibilities will cost them greatly in foreign relations. I remember sitting in classrooms reading and being taught about the high international responsibilities of the Empire, and how the kilties marching behind a pipe band were the undefeatable enforcers of these policies and perceived responsibilities. We have now seen how that ended, and the mess the world that they protected has ended up. Console Talk rs And I have no argument with the content of your post. Trump's "style" (or idiocy) means he will get almost everything wrong but occasionally he will get something right. Not consulting with the military "experts" is wrong but it would have been for the better if a few of his predecessors, having consulted with them, had chosen not to take their advice. (Incidentally Simon Jenkins in the Guardian drew a similar analogy as you have done with the British Empire.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Les Izemore said: If you had been eligible to vote for Trump or Clinton who would you have voted for? Very good question bud, stick my jambo neck on the kb chopping board, Trump for his acting on his policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Read a couple of columnists, one in yesterday's Guardian and one in today's Mail who agreed on one thing - that in the case of Syria if not much else Trump has got it right. The area has huge armies, bristling with modern weapons (American, British and French) in states opposed to ISIS. There is no reason why these cannot take care of the remnants of ISIS without a mere 2000 US troops. Trump is the first president to challenge the disastrous JFK pledge to act as world policeman in defence of "liberty" (as defined by the US). After the disasters of the 50 odd years since JFK's pledge, not least the west's interventions in the Middle East and North Africa, this is surely something at least to be grateful for. Bollox. Is there nothing you will not back yer man on. He's a dobber who wants these troops for his wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Harry Potter said: Very good question bud, stick my jambo neck on the kb chopping board, Trump for his acting on his policies. Which policies? As soon as the recession hits, America through tax cuts, will have no money to save themselves. Oh, that will be good to watch, as trump is crucified on his own wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Watching cnn and they show a clip of Sarah Huckabee Sanders being interviewed on Fox news. She states that four thousand terrorists have been arrested at the border so a wall must be built. The interviewer says I was interested in that number and contacted Homeland Security about it, they say there have been no terrorist suspects arrested at the Border, there have been at the airports. Sarah started to explain and was cut short. The reporter took the time to check the numbers and locations, you would think she as the Presidents spokesperson and representative would have done the same. It is just another example of the egotism of the White House that they think they can say what they like and no one will question it. Of course they just have to repeat the figures to Hannity or Carlson and they will not be questioned. Edited January 6, 2019 by bobsharp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Slashes taxes. Economy goes up a bit. But national debt soars by $2 TRILLION to a total of $21.6tn as they now have to borrow dosh to pay for the things that the taxes used to pay for. Donny doesn't care as he'll not have to be the one that pays it off. Classic short term thinking. Edited January 6, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 This is quite the article if the reporting holds up. The wall was something his advisors cooked up to keep him on message, intending it to just stand in for hating on immigrants in general. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/us/politics/donald-trump-border-wall.html Instead, it's turned into a personal obsession that he won't let go and it's keeping his toadies from doing the kind of kid-stealing, brown people hating that they wanted to do instead of a concrete wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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