Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 15 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Wonder what Fox can say about this. Unlike Trump he maintains a line of thought moving from topic to topic. Seems to know where he is, Fox would say he can't wipe his own arse, while Trump fills diapers. Two evils, old or idiot insane is the choice. Long way to go to November, but I was truly worried about tonight and he ****ing nailed it. A fair amount I disagreed with in that speech (I would really rather his border bill didn't pass quite frankly), but as a piece of political oratory it was exactly what he needed it to be. He was funny, punchy, angry when it was appropriate, chided the GOP mostly effectively when they heckled him, and trolled the hell out of Trump. He couldn't win the election tonight but he might have lost it with a bad performance, and instead he turned in a pretty great performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Not bad, Joe, not too bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 35 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Long way to go to November, but I was truly worried about tonight and he ****ing nailed it. A fair amount I disagreed with in that speech (I would really rather his border bill didn't pass quite frankly), but as a piece of political oratory it was exactly what he needed it to be. He was funny, punchy, angry when it was appropriate, chided the GOP mostly effectively when they heckled him, and trolled the hell out of Trump. He couldn't win the election tonight but he might have lost it with a bad performance, and instead he turned in a pretty great performance. A couple of days or so ago Trump challenged him to a debate, I still maintain that wont happen because Trump couldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Well that's him done his one and only campaign speech then. Back to the bunker for a nap until November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, JFK-1 said: Tell me what's evil about Biden, anything, I bet you can't. Being old isn't evil, or there's a helluva lot of evil around. You're falling hook line and sinker for what the likes of Fox want you to. One side is 100% evil, the other is elderly but a competent leader with the best economic figures in history, the best post pandemic recovery of any major nation. But Biden is old despite running a tight ship, evil old. So if you had to inform someone who knew nothing about this what's evil about Biden, what are you going to say? Might start off with well he's not a serial rapist nor a financial scammer nor an insurrectionist, but his opponent is all of these things and more? But Biden is evil old? Biden is an equivalent evil? Just so hard to decide which is the most evil? That's illogical and to me, doing what you're being prodded to do by Fox and their ilk. It's a saying, the lesser of two evils. Don't take it too literally ffs. You make a lot of assumptions too. Where did I say or even allude to old age as being evil? Biden is the best we can hope for. Nothing more. US politics as it is, and since Reagan first starting bringing god into the equation, has been a death bed for progressives. I really can't see anything major changing in US politics in the forseeable future - be it US foreign policy or gun control or the huge swathes of poverty in the US. Hell, even Reagan was tougher on Israel than Biden currently is and Reagan was widely seen as right-wing and mad at the time. I once saw something about the Republican manifesto post-WWII. It was fairly good and would probably be denounced by our Starmer as being too left-wing. Those days are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Moscow Moses or MTJ as biggest crackpot ? Probably add Gaetz the sexual deviant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 48 minutes ago, Gundermann said: It's a saying, the lesser of two evils. Don't take it too literally ffs. You make a lot of assumptions too. Where did I say or even allude to old age as being evil? Biden is the best we can hope for. Nothing more. I agree it's a saying, and I don't take it literally as such, but the right wing aren't employing it metaphorically. They literally are presenting Biden and any opposition as evil. Listen to their leader Trump who will tell you Biden is the worst president in history, criminally bad, is a master criminal head of a crime clan. Masterminds a crime clan but is senile, doesn't know where he is, you will even see claims from some in here that he's a paedophile. How evil is that? Trump literally is depicting any opposition of him as evil which covers not just political opposition but critical press coverage, and the cultists most definitely take it literally. And personally I would say Trump the serial rapist actually is evil. As for Biden it's coming down to being the only critical thing anyone can think of saying about him, he's old. While at this point with the world in utter chaos handling two wars I can think of no one better on either side of the divide to be dealing with this given his vast experience of foreign affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, Gundermann said: It's a saying, the lesser of two evils. Don't take it too literally ffs. You make a lot of assumptions too. Where did I say or even allude to old age as being evil? Biden is the best we can hope for. Nothing more. US politics as it is, and since Reagan first starting bringing god into the equation, has been a death bed for progressives. I really can't see anything major changing in US politics in the forseeable future - be it US foreign policy or gun control or the huge swathes of poverty in the US. Hell, even Reagan was tougher on Israel than Biden currently is and Reagan was widely seen as right-wing and mad at the time. I once saw something about the Republican manifesto post-WWII. It was fairly good and would probably be denounced by our Starmer as being too left-wing. Those days are long gone. A thread on US politics and you still manage to shoehorn in a dig at Starmer. The rest is decent enough, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Well that's him done his one and only campaign speech then. Back to the bunker for a nap until November. How the deck is he even in contention ? It’s an embarrassment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, Gundermann said: It's a saying, the lesser of two evils. Don't take it too literally ffs. You make a lot of assumptions too. Where did I say or even allude to old age as being evil? Biden is the best we can hope for. Nothing more. US politics as it is, and since Reagan first starting bringing god into the equation, has been a death bed for progressives. I really can't see anything major changing in US politics in the forseeable future - be it US foreign policy or gun control or the huge swathes of poverty in the US. Hell, even Reagan was tougher on Israel than Biden currently is and Reagan was widely seen as right-wing and mad at the time. I once saw something about the Republican manifesto post-WWII. It was fairly good and would probably be denounced by our Starmer as being too left-wing. Those days are long gone. Being pro-Israel didn’t use to be a left/right thing in the country. There were always Zionist Democrats (Biden has been extremely pro-Israel for decades) and skeptical Republicans. What changed is that Israel’s government has gone further and further to the right to the point that there’s basically Netanyahu’s extreme right government and staunchly center-right opposition, with a smattering of center-left and leftist small parties. Israeli Labour is long gone as a political force. As such, Bibi has basically frozen out Biden and any Democrats and is banking everything on Trump winning and giving him carte blanche. This is why it’s so notable that Biden is actually calling out Israel. They’ve pissed off one of their staunchest supporters in Washington to the point that he’s pretty much privately said he’s ****ing done with Bibi, hence the very unusual Washington visit from Gantz that was effectively an end run around the cynical old criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, il Duce McTarkin said: A thread on US politics and you still manage to shoehorn in a dig at Starmer. The rest is decent enough, though. It's a relevant pin on the map of political travels over the past decades, no? Sorry, if you thought I was dissing your Great White Knight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gundermann said: It's a relevant pin on the map of political travels over the past decades, no? Sorry, if you thought I was dissing your Great White Knight. Fair enough, I can't really argue with that. I suppose I'm hoping that Starmer's going to veer left once he gets his arse into the hot seat, but it is blind hope more than any kind of expectation. **** the Tories off and worry about it later is about as good as it is going to get in the short to medium term. I just find it amusing how you and TMT never miss an opportunity, however tenuous the link, to go in studs up. Listening to old Joe last night, what struck me was how socialist leaning he actually sounded in places. Probably a function of how conditioned we're becoming to the incessant right wing and far right cun^ery that anything slightly less cun^ish sticks out like a shite in a trifle. Edited March 8 by il Duce McTarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 11 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Fair enough, I can't really argue with that. I suppose I'm hoping that Starmer's going to veer left once he gets his arse into the hot seat, but it is blind hope more than any kind of expectation. **** the Tories off and worry about it later is about as good as it is going to get in the short to medium term. I just find it amusing how you and TMT never miss an opportunity, however tenuous the link, to go in studs up. Listening to old Joe last night, what struck me was how socialist leaning he actually sounded in places. Probably a function of how conditioned we're becoming to the incessant right wing and far right cun^ery that anything slightly less cun^ish sticks out like a shite in a trifle. Yeah, Biden's unapologetic embrace of unions, strikes, robust industrial policy, and direct subsidies has been an very pleasant surprise in his first admin. I was resigned to more milquetoast centrism when he got elected and while I still have plenty of policy beefs with the man, he's been far more of an activist partisan than I had dared to hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) One more thing on Biden. Here's a story in the Washington Post (with a gift link to get you around the paywall) about how Biden makes decisions. There's a lot here to criticize, namely that he talks to his old friends from his Senate days too much and not enough to younger leaders. That's certainly a problem. So this isn't really a defense of Biden as a leader as much as it is a refutation of the sillier lines about him—that he's just old, sleepy, and senile, or that he's just a spineless shitebag, or that he's a puppet managed by some mysterious set of powers behind the Resolute Desk. He's his own man and overrides or scrutinizes the advice of his aides regularly, for good and for ill. https://wapo.st/3PfcUd4 Quote Two of President Biden’s top advisers this past December were seeking his sign-off on a potentially explosive deal with Venezuelan President Nicolàs Maduro: Biden would grant clemency to a Maduro ally in exchange for Venezuela’s release of 30 prisoners, including 10 Americans. In the Oval Office, Biden intently grilled Jeff Zients, his chief of staff, and Jon Finer, his deputy national security adviser. Were they sure Maduro would honor the deal? Were Venezuelan opposition leaders on board? Did Secretary of State Antony Blinken back the plan? Zients and Finer repeatedly sought to reassure Biden, but the president wanted more. “Before I make a final decision here, I want to get a read from the Hill,” he told his aides. White House staffers got Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), a friend of Biden’s and graduate of Yale Divinity School, on the phone. “Chris, it’s Joe,” the president said. “I need you to put your divinity school hat on for a minute and just tell me — do you think this is the right thing? Should we go ahead?” After being briefed on the plan by Finer, Coons said, “As I understand it, Mr. President, I would proceed.” Six days later, Biden announced the deal. That moment, as detailed by two people familiar with the meeting who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a private conversation, illustrates a crucial truth at the heart of Biden’s decision-making: There is no one he trusts like a fellow politician. Biden’s staffers have immense experience and expertise, but when he is faced with a complex or volatile decision, Biden is unwilling to take the final leap until he has talked to someone who intimately knows, and is accountable to, the American voter. And so, Biden will often interject during policy conversations with a simple question, “What about the political support for this?” Biden’s life has been shaped by campaigning. He first ran for office in 1970 at age 27, winning a seat on Delaware’s New Castle County Council by a few thousand votes. Since then, he has mounted more than 10 races over 50 years. That gives him an instinctive trust in others who, like him, have had to convince voters, placate crowds, debate opponents and face the consequences of bad decisions. “He understands and respects that one of the most fundamental principles of a democracy is that you have to stand up in front of your constituents, explain your votes, explain your actions — and then be held accountable at the ballot box,” Coons said. “So he listens to people who have stood for election and who understand the difference between abstract policy and what happens in the real world.” Edited March 8 by Watt-Zeefuik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 45 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: One more thing on Biden. Here's a story in the Washington Post (with a gift link to get you around the paywall) about how Biden makes decisions. There's a lot here to criticize, namely that he talks to his old friends from his Senate days too much and not enough to younger leaders. That's certainly a problem. So this isn't really a defense of Biden as a leader as much as it is a refutation of the sillier lines about him—that he's just old, sleepy, and senile, or that he's just a spineless shitebag, or that he's a puppet managed by some mysterious set of powers behind the Resolute Desk. He's his own man and overrides or scrutinizes the advice of his aides regularly, for good and for ill. https://wapo.st/3PfcUd4 He sounds thoughtful, and politically careful, which to my way of thinking are laudable and appropriate attributes in a leader of a major nation state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, Ulysses said: He sounds thoughtful, and politically careful, which to my way of thinking are laudable and appropriate attributes in a leader of a major nation state. Yep. I disagree with him on policy in many instances. But he's a knowledgeable, experienced, decent, humble, and collaborative leader. I just hope he wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Saw clips from his speech and he came over very well. Pathetic heckling from the brain dead maga though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Trump has secured a bond to cover the period of his appeal in the E Jean Carroll judgement. He will need a bigger bond to cover the NY Fraud judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The booming US economy added 275,000 new jobs in February. Sleepy Joe inherited a mess from Trump, yet unemployment in the US has been below 4% for the last 2 years. It's been more than 50 years since that last happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Further to my post above, the job creation stats under the Sleepy Joe administration are excellent. Under the Trump administration they were worse than dismal. The information below is from the US Bureau of Labor website: In the four years under Trump, America LOST about 2.5 million jobs. Up until the end of 2023, in the three years under Biden, America has GAINED about 14.4 million jobs. A further 628,000 new jobs have been created in the first two months of 2024. As many people will recall, Trump played more golf during his term than any President in US history. This was despite him saying that he wouldn't play any golf as President as he would be too busy solving the nation's problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Trump has an achievement, art of the deal and all. Some sucker gave him a bond. Trump pays $91.6 million bond in E. Jean Carroll case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 10 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Trump has an achievement, art of the deal and all. Some sucker gave him a bond. Trump pays $91.6 million bond in E. Jean Carroll case He'll need a much bigger sucker for the fraud case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 So Trump apparently watched the Biden speech last night and seemingly was offering a live response. Mocked Biden's hair, personally I never even noticed his hair, but mister quadruple combover apparently does. Things that are important to Trump. Also said that Biden was "angry and crazy" and a threat to democracy. Trump truly is too dumb to get irony. I think the GOP will want people to quickly forget about this speech. All they have is Biden allegedly being senile, can barely construct a coherent thought, doesn't even know where he is. Then the senile old git gets up there and speaks coherently for over an hour on multiple topics, seemingly knowing where he is the whole time. While their idiot cult leader would increasingly fit that senile can't construct a coherent thought label. I still think Trump is going become ever more erratic and unhinged to a level even Fox wont be able to spin it. Somewhere along the line the narrative may become poor Trump, they drove him crazy and we all need to sympathise with the injustice of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 It's going to be a long, long 8 months. Both of the auld codgers could be deid by the time the election comes around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Trump has secured a bond to cover the period of his appeal in the E Jean Carroll judgement. He will need a bigger bond to cover the NY Fraud judgement. He tried to get it delayed too and the request was rejected yesterday as Trump had deliberately waited to the last day/hours for requests as he delayed things without merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: So Trump apparently watched the Biden speech last night and seemingly was offering a live response. Mocked Biden's hair, personally I never even noticed his hair, but mister quadruple combover apparently does. Things that are important to Trump. Also said that Biden was "angry and crazy" and a threat to democracy. Trump truly is too dumb to get irony. I think the GOP will want people to quickly forget about this speech. All they have is Biden allegedly being senile, can barely construct a coherent thought, doesn't even know where he is. Then the senile old git gets up there and speaks coherently for over an hour on multiple topics, seemingly knowing where he is the whole time. While their idiot cult leader would increasingly fit that senile can't construct a coherent thought label. I still think Trump is going become ever more erratic and unhinged to a level even Fox wont be able to spin it. Somewhere along the line the narrative may become poor Trump, they drove him crazy and we all need to sympathise with the injustice of it. I've noticed something interesting in Trump's comments in recent weeks. A couple of months ago 150 presidential scholars were asked to rank all US Presidents from best to worst. @Watt-Zeefuik posted the results on this thread. Biden was ranked about average, whereas Trump was ranked worst. Now Trump is calling Biden "the worst president in history." I wonder where he got that idea? Trump is widely regarded as a threat to American democracy, so what's his most recent dig at Biden, which you mention in your post? Biden is now a "threat to democracy." This coming from a guy who literally tried to overturn a democratic election. Trump really needs to get a new speech writer. On the other hand, Trump might be taking a page out of the Joseph Goebbels hand-book; if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 "Republicans have made a mistake, they set the bar at dementia, and if that's what dementia looks like I hope I have dementia like that when i'm older" So says a Republican strategist, and is my thoughts too. How do they pivot away from that as it becomes ever more obvious it's their guy who has dementia. 'He nailed it': Republican strategist reacts to Biden's speech Republican strategist Sarah Longwell reacts to President Joe Biden's State of the Union address, saying Biden "nailed it," and explains the mistake some in the GOP made about the president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 39 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: I've noticed something interesting in Trump's comments in recent weeks. A couple of months ago 150 presidential scholars were asked to rank all US Presidents from best to worst. @Watt-Zeefuik posted the results on this thread. Biden was ranked about average, whereas Trump was ranked worst. Now Trump is calling Biden "the worst president in history." I wonder where he got that idea? Trump is widely regarded as a threat to American democracy, so what's his most recent dig at Biden, which you mention in your post? Biden is now a "threat to democracy." This coming from a guy who literally tried to overturn a democratic election. Trump really needs to get a new speech writer. On the other hand, Trump might be taking a page out of the Joseph Goebbels hand-book; if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. There's a saying that goes around my corners of social media about Trump. It's "every accusation is a confession." If he accuses Biden of doing something, it's usually because he's about to get caught out doing exactly that and wants people to "both sides" it. It must be said this has worked distressingly well for him. The media plays right into it. "150 historians say Trump is worst, but Trump says Biden is worst. Who can say who's right?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 41 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: I've noticed something interesting in Trump's comments in recent weeks. A couple of months ago 150 presidential scholars were asked to rank all US Presidents from best to worst. @Watt-Zeefuik posted the results on this thread. Biden was ranked about average, whereas Trump was ranked worst. Now Trump is calling Biden "the worst president in history." I wonder where he got that idea? Trump is widely regarded as a threat to American democracy, so what's his most recent dig at Biden, which you mention in your post? Biden is now a "threat to democracy." This coming from a guy who literally tried to overturn a democratic election. Trump really needs to get a new speech writer. On the other hand, Trump might be taking a page out of the Joseph Goebbels hand-book; if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. Doesn't matter what Trump says, the vast majority of what he says has little to no meaning. And as we know habitually accuses others of every crime he is guilty of. So Biden is somehow a threat to democracy, would love to see Fox trying to spin that one. But they would find a way, check this out, do you personally know anyone who would fit in this video? 😉 Jimmy Kimmel sent a reporter to South Carolina ahead of the primary there to ask questions of Trump supporters, with a twist. It started by asking questions about Biden while attributing things Trump had said to him, they answered the questions. Then the reporter said something along the lines of aw shucks I mixed up my notes here, it was Trump who said that stuff, can we go again for the camera with the right names? They agree, watch what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Cade said: It's going to be a long, long 8 months. Both of the auld codgers could be deid by the time the election comes around. I’m not even 100% sure they’re both alive now. Somewhere, craftily working the whole show, Andrew McCarthy and Jonathan Silverman are keeping it all afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: I’m not even 100% sure they’re both alive now. Somewhere, craftily working the whole show, Andrew McCarthy and Jonathan Silverman are keeping it all afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, Des Lynam said: Decent rack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Jim_Duncan said: Decent rack. Indecent brain. EDIT. Her, not you! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just now, Maple Leaf said: Indecent brain. Me or her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Seems De Niro sees Trump pretty much as I do. There isn't a scarp of good in him, "nothing redeemable' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 "Pennsylvania, I have a message for you: Send me to Congress!" Biden shouted at one point, appearing to mix up the office he's running for. He was a six-term U.S. senator representing Delaware in Congress before he became vice president in 2008. Looks like Dr Jill's drugs have worn off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Light.. Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Betting is Trump 5/6 Fav with Biden at 7/4 Mr Trump has previously said he would “encourage” Russia to attack Nato members that fail to pay their “bills”, while his former national security adviser John Bolton has predicted he would attempt to withdraw from the alliance if re-elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 5 hours ago, By The Light.. said: Betting is Trump 5/6 Fav with Biden at 7/4 Mr Trump has previously said he would “encourage” Russia to attack Nato members that fail to pay their “bills”, while his former national security adviser John Bolton has predicted he would attempt to withdraw from the alliance if re-elected. There is also the fact that Trump wants to remove the constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 5 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: "Pennsylvania, I have a message for you: Send me to Congress!" Biden shouted at one point, appearing to mix up the office he's running for. He was a six-term U.S. senator representing Delaware in Congress before he became vice president in 2008. Looks like Dr Jill's drugs have worn off. A narcissist with ambitions of an authoritarian dictatorship or someone a bit forgetful? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 hours ago, Gizmo said: A narcissist with ambitions of an authoritarian dictatorship or someone a bit forgetful? 🤔 Hmmm. That's a tough one. But it seems like a majority of American voters want the former. And the far-right Christian voters are prepared to ignore his sexual assaults on women, and his extra-marital affair with a porn star, or his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. And they don't want to be reminded of his public declaration that he'd date* his own daughter. * "date" is a euphemism for intimacy. They'll ignore all that because they don't want to vote for Sleepy Joe Biden, despite the fact that Biden is a devout Christian, which Trump assuredly is not. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, Gizmo said: A narcissist with ambitions of an authoritarian dictatorship or someone a bit forgetful? 🤔 Aye, keep telling yourself that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Don't know whether to label this wacky or sinister, Trump had a 90 minute meeting with Hungarian leader Viktor Orbán. Who is apparently known for praising and fawning over Trump the way Trump swoons around Putin. And we all know what that means, tell Trump he's a genius and you can have anything you want. Orbán will be giving Putin a report. A world leader visited the country and entirely ignored the administration, visited a guy in a golf club instead. Grisham reacts to Trump’s meeting with Viktor Orbán Ex-Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham reacts to former President Donald Trump's meeting with Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orbán at Mar-a-Lago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: Hmmm. That's a tough one. But it seems like a majority of American voters want the former. And the far-right Christian voters are prepared to ignore his sexual assaults on women, and his extra-marital affair with a porn star, or his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. And they don't want to be reminded of his public declaration that he'd date* his own daughter. * "date" is a euphemism for intimacy. They'll ignore all that because they don't want to vote for Sleepy Joe Biden, despite the fact that Biden is a devout Christian, which Trump assuredly is not. Go figure. Who would have guessed that far right Christians would be gullible and easily led? 😉 He also can't tell you what exact kind of Christianity he follows. Or, even name his favourite part of the bible - or actually any part of the bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Lovecraft said: Who would have guessed that far right Christians would be gullible and easily led? 😉 He also can't tell you what exact kind of Christianity he follows. Or, even name his favourite part of the bible - or actually any part of the bible. I remember seeing part of that interview. It was actually laughable at how Trump squirmed and just kept saying "I love all of it" when pressed to give his favourite quote. I was hoping that the interviewer would have simply said, "Jesus wept." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Lovecraft said: Who would have guessed that far right Christians would be gullible and easily led? 😉 He also can't tell you what exact kind of Christianity he follows. Or, even name his favourite part of the bible - or actually any part of the bible. 28 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: I remember seeing part of that interview. It was actually laughable at how Trump squirmed and just kept saying "I love all of it" when pressed to give his favourite quote. I was hoping that the interviewer would have simply said, "Jesus wept." It's like me claiming I represent the hardcore Islamists because I like a kebab now and then. Those fools support Trump because they are used to being lied to from the pulpit every Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: I remember seeing part of that interview. It was actually laughable at how Trump squirmed and just kept saying "I love all of it" when pressed to give his favourite quote. I was hoping that the interviewer would have simply said, "Jesus wept." Think I might have been malevolent enough to make up a quote and ask him if he had always liked it. Something suitably dumb, maybe 'blessed are the portly because without them the world would be covered in leftovers' Trump could get on board with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 15 hours ago, Lovecraft said: Who would have guessed that far right Christians would be gullible and easily led? 😉 He also can't tell you what exact kind of Christianity he follows. Or, even name his favourite part of the bible - or actually any part of the bible. His mother was a guid Scottish Presbyterian from Lewis and I believe as such he at one point attended a Presbyterian church growing up. Early in his campaign he tried to claim he went to 5th Ave. Presbyterian, which is right down the block from Trump Tower, but they quickly put out a note saying no one on staff had ever seen him darken the door in decades. So then he claimed it was another church and the Presbyterian Church USA did a quick member database and said, yeah, he's not been on any of our church rosters for decades. (As Presbyterians we're boring as **** but we keep good records.) He now has some evangelical personal pastor and the evangelicals have largely claimed him as their own. American evangelical Christianity has its roots in white nationalism anyway and while they've been good about covering that up, them lining up behind Trump has really dropped the mask on a lot of them. One of the many institutions and movements that I hope he drags down with him when he finally goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 So E. Jean Carroll is going be even richer, how much do they need to fine him before it sinks in. He defamed her again last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 hours ago, JFK-1 said: So E. Jean Carroll is going be even richer, how much do they need to fine him before it sinks in. He defamed her again last night. At what point does Trump become judgement proof? His properties are worth a few quid but, he's racking up huge costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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