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Der Kaiser

It's a real shame the baby died but denying her and the babies return was the right decision IMHO. If ISIS were "winning" I can't imagine she'd have been trying to orchestrate her return.

 

Sometimes it feels like us humans don't want to deal with the consequences of our decisions and actions anymore. It's much easier to blame someone else or look for excuses.

Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others, but sometimes you just have to live with that. You ****ed up so deal with it. You made a choice.....it didn't go as you wanted it.....stop looking around for someone to blame.....because it's your fault.

 

She left to marry a soldier fighting in a warzone for a terrorist organisation that commits atrocious acts against people but still raise a healthy and safe family at the same time? 

Poor choice love.

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

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John Findlay

Maybe San Francisco will take her.

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Dagger Is Back
1 hour ago, Der Kaiser said:

It's a real shame the baby died but denying her and the babies return was the right decision IMHO. If ISIS were "winning" I can't imagine she'd have been trying to orchestrate her return.

 

Sometimes it feels like us humans don't want to deal with the consequences of our decisions and actions anymore. It's much easier to blame someone else or look for excuses.

Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others, but sometimes you just have to live with that. You ****ed up so deal with it. You made a choice.....it didn't go as you wanted it.....stop looking around for someone to blame.....because it's your fault.

 

She left to marry a soldier fighting in a warzone for a terrorist organisation that commits atrocious acts against people but still raise a healthy and safe family at the same time? 

Poor choice love.

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

Pretty well summed up for me

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luckyBatistuta
3 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Maybe San Francisco will take her.

 

Award her citizenship surely

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JamboX2
6 hours ago, Zico said:

I completely disagree that we’re safer with them locked up over here. More likely that they take the opportunity to radicalise others.

 

That's why education, special measures prison accommodation and de-radicalisation are key. People are more likely to be radicalised when society drops them and moves on without them. To avoid disenfranchising citizens and radicalisation of our younger citizens we really need to go back to the drawing board on quite a lot.

 

The idea they are better off radicalising an area where no real state structures exist anymore unhindered is more dangerous than them being in a British prison. 

 

6 hours ago, Zico said:

 

And I’m not sure what the nazis, Kurds or IRA have to do with ISIS as they’re all completely different situations and not comparable in the slightest IMO. 

 

With due respect, our government removed her of her citizenship for bring affiliated with ISIS. We don't know what she's done beyond affiliate herself and go live under their rule. IRA terrorists we arrested and locked up never had citizenship revoked.

 

Fighting for a foreign allied army of an established state is fine. But fighting for the Kurdish Armed Forces is fighting for a group two of our regional allies (Iraq and Turkey) view as being a terrorist and separatist movement. Yet we haven't stripped people from the UK who fought for them of their rights as British citizens.

 

ISIS are abhorrent. Medieval killers with no real morality. They've massacred and perpetrated horrid crimes. Yet we're not willing to act by our own liberal values we fight them in defence of to try these people for their crimes. Something we did do for the worst group of mass murderers in European history.

 

There are major contradictions in our approach to this situation which I don't fully see as being proportionate or justifiable to our past actions or to comparable situations elsewhere. We need to deal with this. Not let these people disappear into the night and reappear later to cause us pain in future - which they will if left to their own devices.

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The Real Maroonblood

Legal aid to assist her.

:phface:

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davemclaren
52 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Legal aid to assist her.

:phface:

UK citizen not convicted of any crime. Unfortunately this government thinks it can just make things up as it goes along. We have laws and a judicial system for good reasons. 

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redjambo
38 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

UK citizen not convicted of any crime. Unfortunately this government thinks it can just make things up as it goes along. We have laws and a judicial system for good reasons. 

 

Yup. I'm not mega happy about the decision, but justice has to take its course. The eventual decision will probably also act as a basis for future similar decisions - it's important that this is all tested in a court of law.

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The Real Maroonblood
36 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

UK citizen not convicted of any crime. Unfortunately this government thinks it can just make things up as it goes along. We have laws and a judicial system for good 

I know but it p****s me off.

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sadj
4 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

I know but it p****s me off.

Indeed. It will be looked at as her individually i guess. Her family def aren’t short of a penny or two. 

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Geoff the Mince

Drone strike .

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Smithee
1 minute ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Drone strike .

More pay, better conditions?

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Geoff the Mince
7 minutes ago, Smithee said:

More pay, better conditions?

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Mikey1874

Appeal on citizenship started

 

 

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
18 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Appeal on citizenship started

 

 


She’ll win this case. She’s quite clearly our citizen.

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Roxy Hearts
1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


She’ll win this case. She’s quite clearly our citizen.

Unfortunately I agree. Loathesome human being. 

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John Findlay

When she comes back. It will be open season on her for the non Islamic nutjobs

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Dino Velvet
13 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

When she comes back. It will be open season on her for the non Islamic nutjobs

 

fingers crossed

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Mikey1874
2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


She’ll win this case. She’s quite clearly our citizen.

 

Agree

 

But how does she get back to UK? 

 

That is a bit harder 

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Jambothump

I actually feel a bit sorry for her now, she's made bad life choices. The only honourable thing, she should do for her and her family, is end her own life (not with a bomb obviously).

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The Real Maroonblood
30 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Agree

 

But how does she get back to UK? 

 

That is a bit harder 

Thumb a lift.

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Jambo-Jimbo
38 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Agree

 

But how does she get back to UK? 

 

That is a bit harder 

 

At the tax payers expense mate.

Edited by Jambo-Jimbo

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luckyBatistuta

 

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Unfortunately I agree. Loathesome human being. 

 

Correct

 

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

When she comes back. It will be open season on her for the non Islamic nutjobs

 

Omg, how on earth will I get to sleep tonight.

 

5 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Thumb a lift.

 

Hopefully from one of these

 

 

9E15EEEF-8427-4B40-91B7-BEB3532E7135.jpeg

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milky_26
1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

When she comes back. It will be open season on her for the non Islamic nutjobs

just think of the cost to the public to protect the scumbag if she does return

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luckyBatistuta

 

2 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

just think of the cost to the public to protect the scumbag if she does return

 

She will never have to worry about food and bills for the rest of her days (hope there’s not many) probably. Everything paid for by all us mugs.

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Jambo-Jimbo
4 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

 

She will never have to worry about food and bills for the rest of her days (hope there’s not many) probably. Everything paid for by all us mugs.

 

Well I think all the people who tried to make out she was only a poor innocent 15 year old child who didn't know what she was doing, they should pay for her upkeep.

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Lemongrab

I see her lawyer is claiming that she should be present for her appeal. It'll be a schoolboy error if that's allowed. Once here, we'd be lumbered with her, should it fail.

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luckyBatistuta
18 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Well I think all the people who tried to make out she was only a poor innocent 15 year old child who didn't know what she was doing, they should pay for her upkeep.

 

Sounds like a plan 👍

7 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

I see her lawyer is claiming that she should be present for her appeal. It'll be a schoolboy error if that's allowed. Once here, we'd be lumbered with her, should it fail.

 

Surely she wouldn’t get herself involved in something dishonest like that. She could always say that she intended to go back and was just coerced.

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Mikey1874
12 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

I see her lawyer is claiming that she should be present for her appeal. It'll be a schoolboy error if that's allowed. Once here, we'd be lumbered with her, should it fail.

 

Its relatively straightforward. 

 

Just get to a country that has diplomatic relations with UK. 

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Mikey1874
13 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

I see her lawyer is claiming that she should be present for her appeal. It'll be a schoolboy error if that's allowed. Once here, we'd be lumbered with her, should it fail.

 

And that is fine.

 

Appeal can be postponed till she gets back. 

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Jambo-Jimbo
11 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

I see her lawyer is claiming that she should be present for her appeal. It'll be a schoolboy error if that's allowed. Once here, we'd be lumbered with her, should it fail.

 

A video link would surely suffice, doesn't need to be physically present be in the room.

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Agree

 

But how does she get back to UK? 

 

That is a bit harder 


Pass, and don’t really care 

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Mikey1874

Up to 60 British children of ISIS / former ISIS people are being repatriated. 

 

The story broke last week with the suggestion the Government had stopped a plan to bring them back from Syria via Iraq. A dangerous journey too. 

 

But it is happening. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50506909

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Mac_fae_Gillie

No real choice now, don't want the ISIS people back but we have no right to expect other nations to hold them. Government need laws in place to deal with these people in the future. As to the ones returning now they need to be interrogated and assessed then either held or released. As to posing a threat hundreds have already returned home already so a few dozen more hardly makes a huge difference, of course if in the future one of them does a terrorist act going to be hell to pay.

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Irufushi

Pleasing .

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Jambo-Jimbo

I wonder who is paying her legal bills, better not be the British taxpayer.

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The Continental Op

So the 16 year old Derek Mackay texted is vulnerable and needs the protection of society and its laws, but a 15 year old girl who went with older friends to a war zone is a responsible and fully reasoning individual who should be treated as if she was a adult?

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Mauricio Pinilla
1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

I wonder who is paying her legal bills, better not be the British taxpayer.

 

Why would it be and what are you going to do if it is?

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Zico
3 hours ago, milky_26 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51413040

 

lost the first stage of her appeal against the removal of her british citizenship 

Hopefully represented by this guy:

FFGxVaF.jpg

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Jambo-Jimbo
37 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

Why would it be and what are you going to do if it is?

 

More to the point what could I do about it, feck all, that's what.

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Lemongrab
2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

I wonder who is paying her legal bills, better not be the British taxpayer.

She's getting legal aid.

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Jambo-Jimbo
10 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

She's getting legal aid.

 

Wouldn't be surprised at that, yet many thousands can't get it here in the UK.

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JimKongUno
2 hours ago, The Continental Op said:

So the 16 year old Derek Mackay texted is vulnerable and needs the protection of society and its laws, but a 15 year old girl who went with older friends to a war zone is a responsible and fully reasoning individual who should be treated as if she was a adult?

 

She's not 15 anymore, is now a battle hardened terrorist and a menace to society

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jake
2 hours ago, The Continental Op said:

So the 16 year old Derek Mackay texted is vulnerable and needs the protection of society and its laws, but a 15 year old girl who went with older friends to a war zone is a responsible and fully reasoning individual who should be treated as if she was a adult?

Great post .

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Jeff
2 hours ago, Zico said:

Hopefully represented by this guy:

FFGxVaF.jpg

 

If your memory is that good then what coloured tie am I wearing?

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gjcc
12 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

If your memory is that good then what coloured tie am I wearing?


Hnghhh. Hhnnnugh... 
You’re not wearing one at all! Gasp!!

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Mikey1874
5 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

I wonder who is paying her legal bills, better not be the British taxpayer.

 

It is. She has legal aid. 

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
4 hours ago, The Continental Op said:

So the 16 year old Derek Mackay texted is vulnerable and needs the protection of society and its laws, but a 15 year old girl who went with older friends to a war zone is a responsible and fully reasoning individual who should be treated as if she was a adult?


:rofl:

 

The sort of student union drivel Owen Jones would tweet.

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