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4 minutes ago, Old Blue Eyes said:

The bint financed her way to a war zone, no mean feat under the alleged strict border controls in the region...She was 15 FFs! Her route to Syria should be investigated and those countries who gave her free passage should be £*cking horsed & horsed again.

 

Turkey, they flew from the UK to Turkey, she used her older sisters passport as I don't think she had one herself.

The point is someone at both the UK & Turkish ends didn't do a good enough job of checking her photo on the passport, unless of course she and her sister are very similar looking.

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ISIS bride Shamima Begum has asked if she can return to the UK on a temporary basis just to have her teeth straightened on the NHS as she no longer needs to use them to pull the pins from hand grenades.

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16 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Including the UK?

Yes, including the UK. Sorry Great Britain.

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48 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

This should be interesting assuming it does go to court. Javid may have done this a tad prematurely. 

 

Yup. Appeals are to a Special Immigration Tribunal. I assume thereafter the Court of Appeal or UK Supreme Court.

 

This is an issue which is bigger than Ms Begum. There are hundreds of these people. The US hold loads in custody and Trump, who gives no cares for anyone else's national security least his allies, has said he'll unlock the gates and let them out the clink en masse.

 

Rather than let him do that, us and our European partners should be putting in place a means of prosecution and preparing for cases at the Hague for the worst offenders here. 

 

If that fails prosecution under appropriate anti-terror laws should be engaged.

 

The law is there to protect us all and to prosecute wrong doing fairly. That is a western value. Lets practice it in our war with this fundamentalists. Despite the protestations of Stalin we and the Allies set up criminal court's to try mass murderers. Why can't we do it with a 15 year old over conspiracy to commit violence against the UK?

 

 

In fact that is his own policy position prior to two weeks ago.

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1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

Just watched the video of the moment she read out her letter of her citizenship being revoked...

Absolutely :glorious:

 

 

Its a MAGNIFICENT watch. :pleasing:

 

Her constant sniffing was doing my head in though. 

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39 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Turkey, they flew from the UK to Turkey, she used her older sisters passport as I don't think she had one herself.

The point is someone at both the UK & Turkish ends didn't do a good enough job of checking her photo on the passport, unless of course she and her sister are very similar looking.

 

The black pillar box removal from their puss would be a perfect start.

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2 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

She's in a refugee camp in Turkish occupied Syria. Not in Castle Greyskull.

 

 

S.40(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 states that the Home Secretaty can revoke someone's citizenship if he is satisfied it is conducive to the public good. S.40(3) states this can only happen where it will not make a person stateless. Added to this he or she must have reasonable grounds that the person will become a citizen of another nation (s.40A(4)(c)). 

 

Bangladesh today refused to grant her citizenship.

 

Hard to see how this move wont make her stateless. Therefore it's illegal. So we then still have a British national who we should repatriate. Care for the child. And give her the due process of the law.

 

Its apparent this is a play by Javid to look tough and act a defender of British liberties. As was his demands for warships in the channel. All bollocks.

 

 

If she dies out there because we didn't let her back then it'll be pinned on us. A martyr of the caliphate. Her so called home wouldn't consider forgiveness. She then died. Death to the west etc etc.

 

Its not an easy thing to say. But the only sane option is to let her back. 

 

So if she’s only in a refugee camp, not in Castle Greyskull, why do you want us to send in some Mi6 bods and few SAS chaps on covert ops, why not just stroll in and escort her out. So what if it’s pinned on us, you really think that makes any difference, with your ‘death to the west’ statement. You think they don’t want that anyway? What do you think they want right now? 

 

The only sane thing, is not to give in to these nutters, not welcome them back after they’ve committed atrocities.

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2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Just watched the video of the moment she read out her letter of her citizenship being revoked...

Absolutely :glorious:

 

Sure is mate, getting what she deserves now, hopefully more to come.

 

2 hours ago, The Future's Maroon said:

When she used the word unjust....**** her, burn the cow at the stake.

 

Incredible, she just can’t accept she’s at fault whatsoever. When the guy said what was happening now was her own doing, because of her actions, she just sat there in silence. How the heck she can sit there saying it’s unjust and asking for sympathy, when she shows no remorse at all. The only time I’ve seen an apology from her, was to her family, says everything...she can rot wherever as far as I’m concerned.

 

1 hour ago, Irufushi said:

 

 

Its a MAGNIFICENT watch. :pleasing:

 

Her constant sniffing was doing my head in though. 

 

Probably from all the coke fuelled decapitation parties she attended.

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3 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

She's in a refugee camp in Turkish occupied Syria. Not in Castle Greyskull.

 

 

S.40(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 states that the Home Secretaty can revoke someone's citizenship if he is satisfied it is conducive to the public good. S.40(3) states this can only happen where it will not make a person stateless. Added to this he or she must have reasonable grounds that the person will become a citizen of another nation (s.40A(4)(c)). 

 

Bangladesh today refused to grant her citizenship.

 

Hard to see how this move wont make her stateless. Therefore it's illegal. So we then still have a British national who we should repatriate. Care for the child. And give her the due process of the law.

 

Its apparent this is a play by Javid to look tough and act a defender of British liberties. As was his demands for warships in the channel. All bollocks.

 

 

If she dies out there because we didn't let her back then it'll be pinned on us. A martyr of the caliphate. Her so called home wouldn't consider forgiveness. She then died. Death to the west etc etc.

 

Its not an easy thing to say. But the only sane option is to let her back. 

 I got to your first paragraph and stopped reading, have you even followed the story?

 

**** her, rot in hell.

 

not one of her interviews are from a refugee camp.....I hope she has a horrible life

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British  citizen, ultimately British problem, unless she has done something illegal abroad where the overseas country wishes her to be retained and dealt with by their rule of law.  Many I'd  imagine would want to get rid.

 

Although it's up to her / someone somewhere to get her to a British Consulate or back to UK somehow.

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7 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Turkey, they flew from the UK to Turkey, she used her older sisters passport as I don't think she had one herself.

The point is someone at both the UK & Turkish ends didn't do a good enough job of checking her photo on the passport, unless of course she and her sister are very similar looking.

 

Not unheard of for people to travel on others passports. In fact, I read a news story on it yesterday where some bloke managed to get through no fewer than 4 passport checks after mistakenly swapping their passport with a friend. This was despite the names on passport/boarding pass not matching. The guy who the passport belonged to was stuck in the original holiday country awaiting assistance to get home. 

 

Worryingly, somebody from a British Embassy was quoted to say that this sort of thing is fairly common. 

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12 hours ago, davemclaren said:

I’m sure Assad will, and is, dealing with captured foreign rebels as he sees fit. Few concerns over international law for him. 

You fly with the craws....

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7 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

 

So if she’s only in a refugee camp, not in Castle Greyskull, why do you want us to send in some Mi6 bods and few SAS chaps on covert ops, why not just stroll in and escort her out.

 

Someone said it was too dangerous to send folk to get her. The fact is from aid workers to government employees to allies in the area and I am in no doubt the we have covert ops in Syria. It would not be too hard to get her out.

 

7 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

So what if it’s pinned on us, you really think that makes any difference, with your ‘death to the west’ statement. You think they don’t want that anyway? What do you think they want right now? 

 

Who knows what they want? Who cares. She's a British citizen. The government owe her a duty of care and have international commitments to prevent statelessness and our domestic law prevents it in the circumstances set out above... so why are we doing this? Who is advising on this? It's naked political ambition by the Home Secretary looking to the ever moving right Tory party and its soon to happen leadership race.

 

It is utterly bizarre when she had 1 nationality and citizenship at the time of the decision that he did this without any clear statements by the Attorney General, Foreign Office or the PM. Especially given Bangladesh saying she is not a national or citizen of theirs.

 

7 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

The only sane thing, is not to give in to these nutters, not welcome them back after they’ve committed atrocities.

 

And let them roam free? No trials? No due process? No punishment? No recourse to justice? 

 

Not repatriating them means they go free. 

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7 hours ago, The Future's Maroon said:

 I got to your first paragraph and stopped reading, have you even followed the story?

 

**** her, rot in hell.

 

not one of her interviews are from a refugee camp.....I hope she has a horrible life

 

She and every other IS fighter should be up in front of a court. Their crimes accounted for. Their wrongdoing punished. Those they've done wrong to in Iraq, Syria, Manchester and wherever else they've murdered in cold blood in be given justice.

 

You can only do that with repatriating the foreign fighters in Syria. 

 

And once they're dealt with get the Assad mob in the dock as well. 

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12 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

Do you want to take out her son too while you're at it?

I don't, particularly. Her grand parents could move to Syria to look after it. 

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10 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Just watched the video of the moment she read out her letter of her citizenship being revoked...

Absolutely :glorious:

Just watched it, too. The bit where her family built up her hopes  :glorious:

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The 'I was 15 and really silly and was duped' defence kinda falls on it's arse when placed beside the Manchester bombing comments of a few days ago,   as well as the seemingly continuing support of ISIS beliefs.     

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29 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

Picture doing the rounds that this is her. Hard to tell, but i'm sure if it is there will be others.

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If thats her i guess it blows the narrative that she was doing at home the housework while hubby was out decapitating folk .

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14 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

 

 

Probably some Mi6 bods and few SAS chaps on covert ops. 

 

14 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

I disagree. We don't go and get her unless we've decided that we can glean good security information from her. Too much risk.

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

She's in a refugee camp in Turkish occupied Syria. Not in Castle Greyskull.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

It would not be too hard to get her out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Make your mind up. Is it easy, or not. We need to send in Mi6 and SAS on covert ops, that doesn’t sound too easy to me. The only thing that is easy, is for you to sit in the comfort of your home and just say we should risk the lives of others to go and help a known  terrorist.

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34 minutes ago, Adam Murray said:

Picture doing the rounds that this is her. Hard to tell, but i'm sure if it is there will be others.

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3 minutes ago, JimKongUno said:

 

If thats her i guess it blows the narrative that she was doing at home the housework while hubby was out decapitating folk .

 

Blows the whole narrative that all these women were just doing the housework. 

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5 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

Has deradicalisation been shown to work? 

 

i hear the most effective method is a silver bullet to the head

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8 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

Has deradicalisation been shown to work? 

 

My opinion is that it only seems to work when the person has been caught, a bit like finding the lord when your parole review is due when on a life sentence.

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31 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

 

Blows the whole narrative that all these women were just doing the housework. 

 

Shaving her husband with a cut throat  razor! 

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35 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

Has deradicalisation been shown to work? 

The guy responsible for the 2017 Parsons Green tube bombing, had previously been on the Govt's programme. 

 

Last year, according to the BBC, 7138 people were referred to the Government's deradicalisation service, so I hope to hell it has some effect.

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

The guy responsible for the 2017 Parsons Green tube bombing, had previously been on the Govt's programme. 

 

Last year, according to the BBC, 7138 people were referred to the Government's deradicalisation service, so I hope to hell it has some effect.

 

 

 

 

 

i suppose it depends how radical they have become . If someones been getting that shit taught to them since they were 5 its going to be pretty ingrained .

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27 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

Shaving her husband with a cut throat  razor! 

 

:laugh2:  my wife often ties me up ;)

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She'll be on the next Big Brother series when it gets picked up by another channel.

 

"Shamima is in the garden with Roy Chubby Brown"

"Allah Ak..."

"Shut the **** up"

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11 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said:

She'll be on the next Big Brother series when it gets picked up by another channel.

 

"Shamima is in the garden with Roy Chubby Brown"

"Allah Ak..."

"Shut the **** up"

Sad thing is, the producers of big brother wouldn't be above this. 

 

Sadder thing is that I reckon it would be comedy gold if her house mates were all of the RCB mindset 

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17 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Thanks for posting that link.

my concern with deradicalisation is for a time period it may be effective. What happens when those who have been through the process meet someone down at the Mosque who leads them back to Jihad again. 

You certainly have to try (if it works) but what ongoing support is available to keep them on the straight and narrow? 

My fear is with the likes of this girl and other returned fighters that they rejoin or join the next group chasing the Caliphate dream.  

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2 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

 

 

 

Make your mind up. Is it easy, or not. We need to send in Mi6 and SAS on covert ops, that doesn’t sound too easy to me. The only thing that is easy, is for you to sit in the comfort of your home and just say we should risk the lives of others to go and help a known  terrorist.

 

My point on Mi6 and the SAS was tongue in cheek. But we will have said agencies and DFID in Syria. I don't see how it can't be done.

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48 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

I read that earlier this morning, and although the article is almost two years old, it was unsure if any of these programmes were actually having any effect.

 

Interesting that they quoted the terrorist mantra of 'the ends justify the means', because in a lot of cases, terrorism has been shown to work, and the fact that it's even being discussed about allowing this person back into the country proves that.

 

She chose her side and decided to fight against the country that offered her family a decent living, healthcare, education and all the benefits that come from living in a free, western democracy. 

 

She has now started to show a small amount of remorse, no doubt due to the actions of those now representing her, unsure if that will be at our expense, but her initial interviews were that of a person who still strongly believes in what she was fighting for.

 

Could this person be deradicalized, who knows, do we want to take that chance?

 

Bringing her back for the sake of her child, whilst jailing her, would only bring the child to hate the people who have 'wronged'  his mother.

 

Remember, she turned her back on this country, she can't now start crying crocodile tears when the country turns it's back on her.

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Showing remorse only because ISIS were defeated and Islamic State in as much it was a limited statelet was dismantled. 

 

Was in IS territory as recently as 2/3 weeks ago. 

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5 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

Who knows what they want? Who cares. She's a British citizen. The government owe her a duty of care  

 

This statement to me is a bit like when someone breaks in to your house or steals your car and then expects that you should have no right to give them a leathering for doing so.

 

Baws to that.

 

This country (should) owe her absolutely nothing at all. Any any duty of car should go right out the window the moment she left to join that lot.

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24 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

My point on Mi6 and the SAS was tongue in cheek. But we will have said agencies and DFID in Syria. I don't see how it can't be done.

 

Why should we risk or fund any return for her...she’s a terrorist, not a holidaymaker.

 

5 minutes ago, Erik said:

 

This statement to me is a bit like when someone breaks in to your house or steals your car and then expects that you should have no right to give them a leathering for doing so.

 

Baws to that.

 

This country (should) owe her absolutely nothing at all. Any any duty of car should go right out the window the moment she left to join that lot.

 

Exactly, we owe her absolutely nothing. She wants to come back, then she can make her own way back and then we will deal with her the moment she arrrives. If that isn’t going to be  locking her up and throwing away the key though, then I hope she meets her demise on the journey.

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Just when I thought I couldn’t dislike Jeremy Corbyn more

 

 

‘An extreme manoeuvre’...yeah, against an extremist 

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26 minutes ago, Erik said:

 

This statement to me is a bit like when someone breaks in to your house or steals your car and then expects that you should have no right to give them a leathering for doing so.

 

Baws to that.

 

This country (should) owe her absolutely nothing at all. Any any duty of car should go right out the window the moment she left to join that lot.

 

And to the child? Also a British national.

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1 minute ago, JamboX2 said:

 

And to the child? Also a British national.

 

I’m not clear on which nationality the child has. By all accounts the father is Dutch and Bagum has dual nationality linked to Bangladesh. Maybe the Dutch family would want to adopt him!?

All the focus is on the uk and it’s perceived responsibility where for me anyway the other countries have just as much if not more responsibility to care for the child. 

Also Bagum said she’d be happy to go to Holland and wait for her husband to be released. 

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14 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

And to the child? Also a British national.

 

I'm getting a bit sick of hearing this poor child getting used as some kinda political pawn in all this.

 

The way in which she is dealt with should not be influence by whether she does or doesn't have a child. As much as its not the 'nice' answer - she should be dealt with as harshly with a child as she should without one, and having a child should not grant her an easy way out of this situation.

 

It is not Britain whom have failed that child in all this. it is the mother who has done so.

 

Conceived and born outwith Britain and whos only connection to this country is through his mother, who at the time of conception had already carried out the acts worthy of having her own citizenship revoked - I'm really not sure why Britain should even be concerning itself with the child.

 

Had the mothers citizenship been revoked the moment she left to join that lot, ie BEFORE conceiving the child, then there would be no connection to Britain whatsoever.

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2 minutes ago, Erik said:

 

I'm getting a bit sick of hearing this poor child getting used as some kinda political pawn in all this.

 

The way in which she is dealt with should not be influence by whether she does or doesn't have a child. As much as its not the 'nice' answer - she should be dealt with as harshly with a child as she should without one.

 

It is not Britain whom have failed that child in all this.

 

Conceived and born outwith Britain and whos only connection to this country is through his mother, who at the time of conception had already carried out the acts worthy of having her own citizenship revoked - I'm really not sure why Britain should even be concerning itself with the child.

 

Had the mothers citizenship been revoked the moment she left to join that lot, ie BEFORE conceiving the child, then there would be no connection to Britain whatsoever.

 

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6 hours ago, Der Kaiser said:

She'll be on the next Big Brother series when it gets picked up by another channel.

 

"Shamima is in the garden with Roy Chubby Brown"

"Allah Ak..."

"Shut the **** up"

LOL.....the way the world going I wouldn't be surprised....!  That made me laugh my head off...Not literally...maybe Terry May will also be in the BB house....

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5 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

Just when I thought I couldn’t dislike Jeremy Corbyn more

 

 

‘An extreme manoeuvre’...yeah, against an extremist 

Well hes nothing to lose with people like you who cant stand so at least hes being honest about his opinion about the situation however unpalatable it may be to some people.  Hes legally right too.  That Javid is a power hungry " Uncle Tom" ^^^^ .  

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26 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Well hes nothing to lose with people like you who cant stand so at least hes being honest about his opinion about the situation however unpalatable it may be to some people.  Hes legally right too.  That Javid is a power hungry " Uncle Tom" ^^^^ .  

 

Uncle Tom :vrwow:

 

 

 

 

Even if Begum had a suicide vest on, Corbyn would still want to give her a hug.

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