Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[shaun.lawson]

5 hours ago, jake said:

On point 10.

So the EUs relentless drive towards TTIP mark 2 wont have American Health insurance companies carving up the NHS.

 

There is no "relentless drive towards TTIP Mark II". As usual, you're ignorant and ill-informed. 

 

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/39180/st06052-en19.pdf

 

(2) The United States has announced its intention to withdraw from the Paris Agreement on climate change, while the Union seeks the negotiation of deep and comprehensive free trade agreements only with Parties to that Agreement.

(3) The negotiating directives for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership must be considered obsolete and no longer relevant.

(4) Past efforts with the United States have demonstrated difficulties in negotiating mutually acceptable commitments in areas identified as priorities by the Union. It is therefore appropriate to pursue with the United States a more limited agreement covering the elimination of tariffs on industrial products only, and excluding agricultural products.
 

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What basis do you have for assuming environmental and food standards will be destroyed?

 

Jake. Oh, Jake.

 

The UK has 66m people. The United States has 327m people. We're a small player. Agreeing a free trade deal with a large player involves accepting what they want. The EU (a large player) protects its citizens from the US' disgraceful, non-existent food standards: GM products, chlorinated chicken, insects, rat hairs, maggots and all the rest of it. When we leave the EU, if we want a deal with the US, we won't be able to do that. And on environmental standards...

 

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And what measures have any first world countries agreed on that address the environment?

 

It's called the Paris Climate Change Agreement. You might possibly have heard of it. The US has withdrawn from it. 

 

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The idea that the UK cannot feed ourselves or source 99% of our medical supplies is scaremongering  on steroids.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/27/ministers-still-do-not-know-nhs-cope-no-deal-brexit-report

 

"The government’s “reasonable worst case” assumption is that the flow of goods across the Channel could be reduced to 40-60% of current levels on day one...

 

... The Department of Health and Social Care still doesn’t know whether all stockpiles are in place, it has no idea whether social care providers are ready and it is still not certain whether all the freight capacity government needs will be in place on time...

 

... Very little thought has been given to securing basic medical supplies such as bedpans and incontinence pads for people in social care in nursing homes. Bluntly, that means the frail, the elderly and most vulnerable could be hit the hardest..."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49670123

 

"Riots on the streets, food price rises and reduced medical supplies are real risks of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, a government document has said...

 

... The flow of cross-Channel goods could face "significant disruption lasting up to six months". "Unmitigated, this will have an impact on the supply of medicines and medical supplies," it says. "The reliance of medicines and medical products' supply chains on the short straits crossing make them particularly vulnerable to severe extended delays".

 

... The government sought to resist the publication of the Operation Yellowhammer document..."

 

And why might it have done that, hmm? Earth to Jake. Is there anyone at home at all?

Edited September 30, 2019 by shaun.lawson

[Pans Jambo]

Folk comparing the Brexit referendum to the Scottish Independence referendum are not really considering the stark difference. 

 

That is, Scots will know EXACTLY what Scottish Independence will look like. They did the last time with the publication of the white paper. You can moan about the Dollar price of oil dropping but the fact is, there was a route map clearly laid out and there will be again. Brexit on the other hand had absolutely nothing but lies, misinformation, untruths and spin before the vote went ahead (& STILL they lie & spin). 

 

Brexit is built on lies. Folk need to admit that. 

 

That is why remainers (& some leavers) are hoping to reverse the clusterfeck!!!

 

Gaining Scottish Independence on a transparent, fully laid out document prior to the vote would be, and will be the proper thing to do. 

 

Thats the difference. 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Pans Jambo

[jake]

48 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

There is no "relentless drive towards TTIP Mark II". As usual, you're ignorant and ill-informed. 

 

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/39180/st06052-en19.pdf

 

(2) The United States has announced its intention to withdraw from the Paris Agreement on climate change, while the Union seeks the negotiation of deep and comprehensive free trade agreements only with Parties to that Agreement.

(3) The negotiating directives for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership must be considered obsolete and no longer relevant.

(4) Past efforts with the United States have demonstrated difficulties in negotiating mutually acceptable commitments in areas identified as priorities by the Union. It is therefore appropriate to pursue with the United States a more limited agreement covering the elimination of tariffs on industrial products only, and excluding agricultural products.
 

 

Jake. Oh, Jake.

 

The UK has 66m people. The United States has 327m people. We're a small player. Agreeing a free trade deal with a large player involves accepting what they want. The EU (a large player) protects its citizens from the US' disgraceful, non-existent food standards: GM products, chlorinated chicken, insects, rat hairs, maggots and all the rest of it. When we leave the EU, if we want a deal with the US, we won't be able to do that. And on environmental standards...

 

 

It's called the Paris Climate Change Agreement. You might possibly have heard of it. The US has withdrawn from it. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/27/ministers-still-do-not-know-nhs-cope-no-deal-brexit-report

 

"The government’s “reasonable worst case” assumption is that the flow of goods across the Channel could be reduced to 40-60% of current levels on day one...

 

... The Department of Health and Social Care still doesn’t know whether all stockpiles are in place, it has no idea whether social care providers are ready and it is still not certain whether all the freight capacity government needs will be in place on time...

 

... Very little thought has been given to securing basic medical supplies such as bedpans and incontinence pads for people in social care in nursing homes. Bluntly, that means the frail, the elderly and most vulnerable could be hit the hardest..."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49670123

 

"Riots on the streets, food price rises and reduced medical supplies are real risks of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, a government document has said...

 

... The flow of cross-Channel goods could face "significant disruption lasting up to six months". "Unmitigated, this will have an impact on the supply of medicines and medical supplies," it says. "The reliance of medicines and medical products' supply chains on the short straits crossing make them particularly vulnerable to severe extended delays".

 

... The government sought to resist the publication of the Operation Yellowhammer document..."

 

And why might it have done that, hmm? Earth to Jake. Is there anyone at home at all?

The paris climate agreement.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 

 

Jake calling Earth.

Wake up .

[jake]

31 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Folk comparing the Brexit referendum to the Scottish Independence referendum are not really considering the stark difference. 

 

That is, Scots will know EXACTLY what Scottish Independence will look like. They did the last time with the publication of the white paper. You can moan about the Dollar price of oil dropping but the fact is, there was a route map clearly laid out and there will be again. Brexit on the other hand had absolutely nothing but lies, misinformation, untruths and spin before the vote went ahead (& STILL they lie & spin). 

 

Brexit is built on lies. Folk need to admit that. 

 

That is why remainers (& some leavers) are hoping to reverse the clusterfeck!!!

 

Gaining Scottish Independence on a transparent, fully laid out document prior to the vote would be, and will be the proper thing to do. 

 

Thats the difference. 

 

So there will be no scaremongering from unionists or MSM manipulation.

There will be no court cases.

There will be no talk of trade barriers with England if they manage to brexit.

There will be no talk of trade barriers if England remains and uses its influence in the EU to make automatic membership for Scotland.

 

I never once mentioned the unions being the same.

 

I and FA (sorry if I am wrong FA) pointed out that the same tactics used by the establishment against brexit will be trotted out big time against independence.

 

 

[jake]

1 hour ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

There is no "relentless drive towards TTIP Mark II". As usual, you're ignorant and ill-informed. 

 

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/39180/st06052-en19.pdf

 

(2) The United States has announced its intention to withdraw from the Paris Agreement on climate change, while the Union seeks the negotiation of deep and comprehensive free trade agreements only with Parties to that Agreement.

(3) The negotiating directives for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership must be considered obsolete and no longer relevant.

(4) Past efforts with the United States have demonstrated difficulties in negotiating mutually acceptable commitments in areas identified as priorities by the Union. It is therefore appropriate to pursue with the United States a more limited agreement covering the elimination of tariffs on industrial products only, and excluding agricultural products.
 

 

Jake. Oh, Jake.

 

The UK has 66m people. The United States has 327m people. We're a small player. Agreeing a free trade deal with a large player involves accepting what they want. The EU (a large player) protects its citizens from the US' disgraceful, non-existent food standards: GM products, chlorinated chicken, insects, rat hairs, maggots and all the rest of it. When we leave the EU, if we want a deal with the US, we won't be able to do that. And on environmental standards...

 

 

It's called the Paris Climate Change Agreement. You might possibly have heard of it. The US has withdrawn from it. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/27/ministers-still-do-not-know-nhs-cope-no-deal-brexit-report

 

"The government’s “reasonable worst case” assumption is that the flow of goods across the Channel could be reduced to 40-60% of current levels on day one...

 

... The Department of Health and Social Care still doesn’t know whether all stockpiles are in place, it has no idea whether social care providers are ready and it is still not certain whether all the freight capacity government needs will be in place on time...

 

... Very little thought has been given to securing basic medical supplies such as bedpans and incontinence pads for people in social care in nursing homes. Bluntly, that means the frail, the elderly and most vulnerable could be hit the hardest..."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49670123

 

"Riots on the streets, food price rises and reduced medical supplies are real risks of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, a government document has said...

 

... The flow of cross-Channel goods could face "significant disruption lasting up to six months". "Unmitigated, this will have an impact on the supply of medicines and medical supplies," it says. "The reliance of medicines and medical products' supply chains on the short straits crossing make them particularly vulnerable to severe extended delays".

 

... The government sought to resist the publication of the Operation Yellowhammer document..."

 

And why might it have done that, hmm? Earth to Jake. Is there anyone at home at all?

Shaun's claims of environmental friendliness from the untouchable EU and yes I'm not the clever guy he is.

 

Perhaps he should argue with these guys.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://corporateeurope.org/en/international-trade/2019/02/ttip-reloaded-big-business-calls-shots-new-eu-us-trade-talks&ved=2ahUKEwiv0o3jgPnkAhUwUxUIHc9PBIEQFjAMegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3IGeNUjfPBjl7dW_g7t5Cf

[jake]

What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you use it? To whom are you accountable? And finally, how do we get rid of you?' 

 

Wished Tony Benn was still on the go .

 

[jake]

The very fact its seemingly impossible to leave the EU is the main reason we should make sure we do.

[jake]

The EU environmentally friendly .

Its carbon emissions rose last year didnt they?

 

[Unknown user]

[Boris]

7 minutes ago, jake said:

The very fact its seemingly impossible to leave the EU is the main reason we should make sure we do.

Except it is possible to leave.

 

It’s just that our arrogant govt wants all the benefits of being part of the eu, without being part of it and bound by its rules.

[Boris]

5 minutes ago, jake said:

The EU environmentally friendly .

Its carbon emissions rose last year didnt they?

 

Perhaps, but the trend is downwards

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Greenhouse_gas_emission_statistics

[Francis Albert]

29 minutes ago, jake said:

So there will be no scaremongering from unionists or MSM manipulation.

There will be no court cases.

There will be no talk of trade barriers with England if they manage to brexit.

There will be no talk of trade barriers if England remains and uses its influence in the EU to make automatic membership for Scotland.

 

I never once mentioned the unions being the same.

 

I and FA (sorry if I am wrong FA) pointed out that the same tactics used by the establishment against brexit will be trotted out big time against independence.

 

 

Far from saying the unions were the same I pointed out they are different.

 

Add to the dream of a smooth transition to independence - there will be no dispute about the size of the divorce bill and the distribution of the UK's assets.

 

And if by some chance we ever actually leave the EU then far from, as the SNP believe, making independence more likely it will in fact make it much more difficult

 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Francis Albert

[jake]

8 minutes ago, Smithee said:

It's hardly a straw man Smithee when the EU is being held up as a bullwork against trade deals which could affect the NHS .

Especially when they are actively seeking such a deal.

It's no strawman to point out in response to those who say we are better off environmentally with the EU when their emissions are rising.

It's no strawman to ask who holds power who gave them it and whose benefit they use it for.

So can you expand on your strawman picture ?

[jake]

9 minutes ago, Boris said:

Perhaps, but the trend is downwards

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Greenhouse_gas_emission_statistics

That's double speak.

How can they be rising but going down?

 

 

[ri Alban]

29 minutes ago, jake said:

The very fact its seemingly impossible to leave the EU is the main reason we should make sure we do.

The EU isn't stopping anyone. 

[jake]

15 minutes ago, Boris said:

Except it is possible to leave.

 

It’s just that our arrogant govt wants all the benefits of being part of the eu, without being part of it and bound by its rules.

😄

[Francis Albert]

16 minutes ago, Boris said:

Perhaps, but the trend is downwards

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Greenhouse_gas_emission_statistics

Clever use of scale on the y axis!

[jake]

Just now, ri Alban said:

The EU isn't stopping anyone. 

😄

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

It's hardly a straw man Smithee when the EU is being held up as a bullwork against trade deals which could affect the NHS .

Especially when they are actively seeking such a deal.

It's no strawman to point out in response to those who say we are better off environmentally with the EU when their emissions are rising.

It's no strawman to ask who holds power who gave them it and whose benefit they use it for.

So can you expand on your strawman picture ?

 

Yes, you're arguing against positions that weren't taken. 

Let's focus on one example - show me where Shaun said the EU is environmentally friendly. Not where he said something else about the environment, or where he compared the EU to the US, where did he say the EU is environmentally friendly?

 

Answer - he didn't. Yet you're arguing as if he did. If that isn't a strawman, what is?

[ri Alban]

If the SNP had the baws, it would take but, 30 MPs to gain Independence. And if England want the debt repaid, they better back the feck off.

[Unknown user]

25 minutes ago, jake said:

The EU environmentally friendly .

Its carbon emissions rose last year didnt they?

 

 

To save you going back a page 

[ri Alban]

Just now, jake said:

😄

Laugh all you want, but it's your own Brexit fanatics who cost themselves the extension, back when slender Man was still out her haunted mirror.

[jake]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Yes, you're arguing against positions that weren't taken. 

Let's focus on one example - show me where Shaun said the EU is environmentally friendly. Not where he said something else about the environment, or where he compared the EU to the US, where did he say the EU is environmentally friendly?

 

Answer - he didn't. Yet you're arguing as if he did. If that isn't a strawman, what is?

He did .

 

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

To save you going back a page 

Why thanks but still needed to do that so I could refer to Shaun's point about the paris climate .

[ri Alban]

7 minutes ago, jake said:

😄

Guess who can feed and water themselves. Yes that's right, Bonnie Auld Scotland. Guess who cannae. England!

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, jake said:

He did

 

Quote where Shaun said the EU is environmentally friendly please. 

[kingantti1874]

So today’s news, Gove starting to see sense and try to figure out how to get out this mess, a movement in the remains tories to oust communists, Boris is a Rapey prick and the queen plans to fire him if they try and engineer or duck out of the surrender bill .. 😂

 

I will laugh my arse off if this all collapses at the last moment.. it’s absolute stinking

[annushorribilis III]

3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Let's wait and see. 

 

No Deal would be a challenge. If you think it will be easy fair enough. 

Where did I say that ? You make a statement , i ask a question and you get all shitty about it. Grow up. 

[maroonlegions]

Simple.

 

NEVER  trust the yellow tories.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by maroonlegions

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, jake said:

So there will be no scaremongering from unionists or MSM manipulation.

There will be no court cases.

There will be no talk of trade barriers with England if they manage to brexit.

There will be no talk of trade barriers if England remains and uses its influence in the EU to make automatic membership for Scotland.

 

I never once mentioned the unions being the same.

 

I and FA (sorry if I am wrong FA) pointed out that the same tactics used by the establishment against brexit will be trotted out big time against independence.

 

 

I have no doubt they will. Won't be any court cases against the Scottish Government for lying to the Monarch though. And there won't be anyone saying "this is not what we signed up for". Or "we didn't know what we were voting for" etc. 

[ri Alban]

SNP are the only party with balls. The other don't want to take the Tories out with a confidence vote. I wonder why.

As for the Scottish Tories, a bunch of crawly bum licks. Scum!

[Justin Z]

2 hours ago, jake said:

So there will be no scaremongering from unionists or MSM manipulation.

There will be no court cases.

There will be no talk of trade barriers with England if they manage to brexit.

There will be no talk of trade barriers if England remains and uses its influence in the EU to make automatic membership for Scotland.

 

I never once mentioned the unions being the same.

 

I and FA (sorry if I am wrong FA) pointed out that the same tactics used by the establishment *for brexit will be trotted out big time against independence.

 

 

Fixed

[AlimOzturk]

43 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

SNP are the only party with balls. The other don't want to take the Tories out with a confidence vote. I wonder why.

As for the Scottish Tories, a bunch of crawly bum licks. Scum!

 

Any gains or goodwill they bought under ruth will be utterly wiped out after all is said and done. Made me utterly sick to see any blue tory colours in scotland. 

 

Tories are what Tories are and they will never change.  - for the rich and powerfull and do hell with the poorest.  

 

I seen today Sajid was today boasting how the Tories will up the national living wage to 10 pound 50p over the next 5 years where in truth you would be lucky if a family could even survive on that RIGHT NOW working full time. It is simply not enough to just force employed to raise wages. 

 

The tories just do not understand what it like to have to do without hence they have zero sympathy for their fellow human beings who have to on a daily basis. 

[jake]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

Yes, you're arguing against positions that weren't taken. 

Let's focus on one example - show me where Shaun said the EU is environmentally friendly. Not where he said something else about the environment, or where he compared the EU to the US, where did he say the EU is environmentally friendly?

 

Answer - he didn't. Yet you're arguing as if he did. If that isn't a strawman, what is?

He equated brexit with being bad for the environment Smithee quite plainly.

This thread is about the EU isn't it?

And the vote taken to leave it.

I'm pointing out that currently the EU isn't great either.

Any other strawman you'd  like to discuss?

🙂

[jake]

28 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Fixed

Oh come on ffs.

🤣 

Have you seen the state of the Tory cabinet?

We just had the courts shackle the so called establishment.

Look Boris and co are at it no argument there but its beyond belief if you believe the establishment want brexit.

 

[jake]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

I have no doubt they will. Won't be any court cases against the Scottish Government for lying to the Monarch though. And there won't be anyone saying "this is not what we signed up for". Or "we didn't know what we were voting for" etc. 

I have to laugh at the liberals and nationalists being all offended that the Queen was lied to.

 

It's like a parallel universe.

 

That infinity theory is true.

Anything is possible.

😄

[Justin Z]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

Oh come on ffs.

🤣

Have you seen the state of the Tory cabinet?

We just had the courts shackle the so called establishment.

Look Boris and co are at it no argument there but its beyond belief if you believe the establishment want brexit.

 

 

You're going to have to come to grips with the fact that your vote played right into the establishment's hands--with them metaphorically holding a bow, and you and 52% of Britain, in the role of fiddle.

 

Rise in number of world's rich buying UK 'golden visas'

[Pans Jambo]

13 minutes ago, jake said:

I have to laugh at the liberals and nationalists being all offended that the Queen was lied to.

 

It's like a parallel universe.

 

That infinity theory is true.

Anything is possible.

😄

TBH I couldn't give a shit he lied to the Queen. It's the fact that he did it to get his own way then spun his way out of it after it was proven that he did. 

 

No respect, no dignity and ever decreasing self control. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Pans Jambo

[Unknown user]

28 minutes ago, jake said:

He equated brexit with being bad for the environment Smithee quite plainly.

This thread is about the EU isn't it?

And the vote taken to leave it.

I'm pointing out that currently the EU isn't great either.

Any other strawman you'd  like to discuss?

🙂

 

He didn't say the EU was environmentally friendly, you said he did and argued against it. That's a straw man, simple as that mate. 

[jake]

19 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

You're going to have to come to grips with the fact that your vote played right into the establishment's hands--with them metaphorically holding a bow, and you and 52% of Britain, in the role of fiddle.

 

Rise in number of world's rich buying UK 'golden visas'

Seen the documentary about that.

 

There was me being told everyone was leaving the UK.

People are actually paying to get in.

🙂 

 

As for my vote.

For once its rattled a few cages.

They need rattled.

 

Hows that for a metaphor.

[jake]

5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

He didn't say the EU was environmentally friendly, you said he did and argued against it. That's a straw man, simple as that mate. 

Smithee I may have indulged in a bit whataboutery.

But my point was not a strawman.

 

People cannot expect to insinuate that brexit MAY  be bad for the environment.

Then when the reality that the EU emission has risen and it also falls behind India and China in reforestation and greening up the planet you cant say it's no pertinent to the overall argument.

 

Woo never even took a breath there 😄

[N Lincs Jambo]

On 28/09/2019 at 00:44, Francis Albert said:

I think people knew what they were voting for. To leave the EU. It is not that difficult a concept to grasp and they were fully informed by the remain campaign of the potential consequences. And them some!  

 

Really? Do you think that people voted to leave the EU so that Boris's speculator mates would make billions when we crash out on a no deal basis on 31.10.19? His own sister admitted as much when she said on the BBC Radio 4 programme the World at One last week that Billions (the figure £4.6 Billion has been widely mentioned) have been gambled "shorting Britain".

 

That means gambling on the pound/FTSE etc crashing as the value of Britain plummets on us crashing out with no deal. If so, why was that never put on the side of a very well publicised bus??  Btw, I'm a former derivatives trader so I fully understand what Boris's sister meant.

 

No wonder Boris said he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask the EU for an extension. Derivatives contracts are time dated and I'm sure he probably realises that will be his fate if he doesn't deliver.

[Justin Z]

8 minutes ago, jake said:

Seen the documentary about that.

 

There was me being told everyone was leaving the UK.

People are actually paying to get in.

🙂

 

As for my vote.

For once its rattled a few cages.

They need rattled.

 

Hows that for a metaphor.

 

Yep, people are paying to get in so they can stash their money here. As Boris pointed out, while it's been discussed with you at length that yes, there is a leftist case for Brexit, this is not the Brexit we're engaged in. No cages are rattled--this is exactly what the moneyed interests want. Machine gun to your feet, more like, the epitome of the human tendency for being led like sheep.

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, jake said:

Smithee I may have indulged in a bit whataboutery.

But my point was not a strawman.

 

People cannot expect to insinuate that brexit MAY  be bad for the environment.

Then when the reality that the EU emission has risen and it also falls behind India and China in reforestation and greening up the planet you cant say it's no pertinent to the overall argument.

 

Woo never even took a breath there 😄

 

It was a straw man, he didn't say the EU are environmentally friendly and when I challenged you, you still said that he had.

Sorry Jake, nothing personal, but it is what it is. 

[jake]

50 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Yep, people are paying to get in so they can stash their money here. As Boris pointed out, while it's been discussed with you at length that yes, there is a leftist case for Brexit, this is not the Brexit we're engaged in. No cages are rattled--this is exactly what the moneyed interests want. Machine gun to your feet, more like, the epitome of the human tendency for being led like sheep.

🤣

[jake]

43 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

It was a straw man, he didn't say the EU are environmentally friendly and when I challenged you, you still said that he had.

Sorry Jake, nothing personal, but it is what it is. 

I'm not taking it personal .🙂

It's good to disagree .

[Justin Z]

6 minutes ago, jake said:

🤣

 

You know, that's really just ****ing rude, mate. You're getting a lot of content from people who are going out of their way to engage with you. You may not agree with it, but they're directing at you, not just posting to the ether.

 

Consider not acting like a ***** if you're going to give similar advice to others who've had their moments in the shade.

 

Edit: Oh, and, disagree with Shaun all you want, but you absolutely strawmanned his position on the EU and the environment, arguing intellectually dishonestly in the process. Smithee is spot on.

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Justin Z

[jake]

24 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

You know, that's really just ****ing rude, mate. You're getting a lot of content from people who are going out of their way to engage with you. You may not agree with it, but they're directing at you, not just posting to the ether.

 

Consider not acting like a ***** if you're going to give similar advice to others who've had their moments in the shade.

 

Edit: Oh, and, disagree with Shaun all you want, but you absolutely strawmanned his position on the EU and the environment, arguing intellectually dishonestly in the process. Smithee is spot on.

 

Whatever the outcome the vote to leave has certainly rattled and changed politics in the UK.

We will see what transpires .

 

I've argued round and round on this and didnt mean to be rude.

 

I disagree with you about the strawman.

For reasons already stated .

 

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Really? Do you think that people voted to leave the EU so that Boris's speculator mates would make billions when we crash out on a no deal basis on 31.10.19? His own sister admitted as much when she said on the BBC Radio 4 programme the World at One last week that Billions (the figure £4.6 Billion has been widely mentioned) have been gambled "shorting Britain".

 

That means gambling on the pound/FTSE etc crashing as the value of Britain plummets on us crashing out with no deal. If so, why was that never put on the side of a very well publicised bus??  Btw, I'm a former derivatives trader so I fully understand what Boris's sister meant.

 

No wonder Boris said he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask the EU for an extension. Derivatives contracts are time dated and I'm sure he probably realises that will be his fate if he doesn't deliver.

The 4.6bn pound "shorting" story has been comprehemsively rubbished by the very pro-remain and anti-brexit Financial Times,  a much more credible and authoritative source than the original source of the story.

 

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3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The 4.6bn pound "shorting" story has been comprehemsively rubbished by the very pro-remain and anti-brexit Financial Times,  a much more credible and authoritative source than the original source of the story.

 

 

And backed by the equally pro-remain last Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond.

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7 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The 4.6bn pound "shorting" story has been comprehemsively rubbished by the very pro-remain and anti-brexit Financial Times,  a much more credible and authoritative source than the original source of the story.

 

 

Btw, any links to the FT "comprehensively rubbishing" this story?? just had a search and I can't find them. And I am an FT reader due to past experience