AlimOzturk Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 44 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: If we "crash out" how can the EU enforce the back stop? Well this is why we need to avoid it as an enforced backstop could lead to conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: If we "crash out" how can the EU enforce the back stop? They can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 On 05/04/2019 at 16:42, JamboX2 said: Fine. I'm wrong. You're right. We're hugely different from anyone south of the border. Little in common. 54% of English folk are xenophobes. No common ground. This is the same as the Mark Francois response to Will Self. I don't think i said or implied that we are hugely different in fact i said that there was overlap. I'm not hearing any stories of EU citizens being encouraged to go home by Scots though but plenty from England as shown once again on last nights Dispatches programme. The latest polls show further divergence in potential voting patterns between Scotland and England and given the imbalance in their respective populations the possibility of near eternal, right wing, populist government becomes more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Oh dear. May arrives in Berlin to meet Merkel, get's out of her car, steps onto the red carpet and.............................there's nobody there to meet her, except for the waiting presscore and a couple of German soldiers, no sign of Merkel, no German officials, nobody, May is then left to awkwardly walk alone on the red carpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: I’ve just been listening to LBC whilst travelling., they had a phone in that seemed to be how brexit or lack off; was the fault of the queen. With one caller stating the queen should have marched into parliament and demand they sort it out. With other people claiming they are no longer royalist cause queenie hadn’t step in. A good few people seemed to be let down by queen over this. There is a definite mood of feelings over facts right now. Would you say that those expressing feeling over fact were of the Brexiteer persuasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Shows where the power is Not sure why anyone should be surprised at that tbh, if the situation were reversed and this was i.e. Frexit they'd be meeting us and the Germans. As the three 'main' countries of the EU it's common sense that their views would be most critical and carry the most weight, we're hardly going to be running to Malta and Luxembourg. Instead the press peddle paranoia about being 'run by Germans' when in fact if we actually bothered to ever commit to the EU we're as likely to 'run it' as they are. Possibly even more so given historical and cultural reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Yeah. There appears to be a lot of anger. Though angry types always attracted to phone in. I found it a bit weird people were ranting about brexit not happening being a front to democracy and then demanding queenie storms Parliament. It was a special type of logic that was for sure. I noticed a few tweets this morning saying we should now abolish the monarchy because she never stepped in last night. They have run out of people to blame so are now blaming Liz??? Meanwhile Mark Francois and Andrew Brigden are having a competition on who can be the biggest idiot this afternoon. Francois opens with what is basically a party political broadcast for Farage and Brigden follows up with "We used to rule a quarter of the globe" All delivered from a lectern with a picture of Thatcher on the it in front of an audience of pensioners. Edited April 9, 2019 by Notts1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Yeah. There appears to be a lot of anger. Though angry types always attracted to phone in. I found it a bit weird people were ranting about brexit not happening being a front to democracy and then demanding queenie storms Parliament. It was a special type of logic that was for sure. Can't help but feel that some sections are scared of these types and are trying to appease them, whilst the hardcore Brexiteers are using them and whipping up the hysteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord BJ said: I’ve just been listening to LBC whilst travelling., they had a phone in that seemed to be how brexit or lack off; was the fault of the queen. With one caller stating the queen should have marched into parliament and demand they sort it out. With other people claiming they are no longer royalist cause queenie hadn’t step in. A good few people seemed to be let down by queen over this. There is a definite mood of feelings over facts right now. To be fair, we'd probably be better off with Brian May, than Theresa May... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 That Mark Francois is an utter bell-end! Still, that looks like the future face of the Tory Party. Every cloud and all that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boris said: That Mark Francois is an utter bell-end! Still, that looks like the future face of the Tory Party. Every cloud and all that... If I didn't know better I would think he was some sort of parody comedy character. On a side note I had the pleasure of seeing his fellow bell end Andrew Brigden being chucked out of pub during the last election campaign for no other reason than for basically being Andrew Brigden. It was wonderful ( before anyone jumps in he was campaigning when he'd been warned not to ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Boris said: That Mark Francois is an utter bell-end! Still, that looks like the future face of the Tory Party. Every cloud and all that... sad thing is that both the Tory and Labour party have left the centrist ground. I don't see either as very helpful. there is space for the voices of the extremes, but they seem to have usurped the rest with the consequence that sensible heads on both sides are utterly sidelined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 minute ago, doctor jambo said: sad thing is that both the Tory and Labour party have left the centrist ground. I don't see either as very helpful. there is space for the voices of the extremes, but they seem to have usurped the rest with the consequence that sensible heads on both sides are utterly sidelined. Obviously we have our own opinions, and whereas you see Corbyn as extreme, I don't. That said, and you may or may not agree, I think that the likes of Francois and Brigden are more in tune with rank and file Tories, than Corbyn is with the Labour membership. The surface of the Tory party has been scratched and what's underneath is laid bare for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 hours ago, doctor jambo said: Being realistic now - with the EU stating they will enforce the backstop regardless , we might as well pass TM's deal. Or we abandon the Good Friday agreement ( not sure why we cannot do this anyway) What? Does the GFA referendum not count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, ri Alban said: What? Does the GFA referendum not count. Why would the GFA be maintained into perpetuity, lashing the rUK to that, and granting special rights to some in Ireland that are not available to all its citizens? Brexit annuls that. Why should some NI citizens have the right to EU nationality/ rights/ movement etc as UK citizens when Scots/ Welsh/English do not? If the UK is outside the EU the disparity cannot be reconciled. Why would an NI unionist be able to retain all EU rights and privilege when we cannot? Surely in that instance ALL UK citizens should have the right to joint EU/UK citizenship? ( after all, everyone in NI is a UK citizen) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Why would the GFA be maintained into perpetuity, lashing the rUK to that, and granting special rights to some in Ireland that are not available to all its citizens? Brexit annuls that. Why should some NI citizens have the right to EU nationality/ rights/ movement etc as UK citizens when Scots/ Welsh/English do not? If the UK is outside the EU the disparity cannot be reconciled. Why would an NI unionist be able to retain all EU rights and privilege when we cannot? Surely in that instance ALL UK citizens should have the right to joint EU/UK citizenship? ( after all, everyone in NI is a UK citizen) So the UK should just break an international treaty? If we have any international standing or respect left, that would finish it off. Sign a treaty with the UK, it's not worth a sou! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, Boris said: Obviously we have our own opinions, and whereas you see Corbyn as extreme, I don't. That said, and you may or may not agree, I think that the likes of Francois and Brigden are more in tune with rank and file Tories, than Corbyn is with the Labour membership. The surface of the Tory party has been scratched and what's underneath is laid bare for all to see. that is your mindset Boris. Demonising the Tory party is a bit unfair. Not everyone in the party spends their time demonising the poor and immigrants. Some do, of course. In the same way that some in labour hate capitalism and personal success. If Brexit has shown something its how little control over their own parties the leaderships have- and how disparate the views in both are! The wealthy tory voters in London trying to keep us in the EU, the poor Labour voters trying to force us out by essentially siding with the frothers in the ERG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, Boris said: So the UK should just break an international treaty? If we have any international standing or respect left, that would finish it off. Sign a treaty with the UK, it's not worth a sou! I don't think the two things can be reconciled. You either respect the referendum , OR respect the GFA. We signed treaties with the EU - and are currently extricating ourselves from that. Other countries do it Norway and Japan with whaling US with climate change times change, nothing lasts forever Me? I'd revoke article 50 , put it back to the people, scrap all the existing parties and put it back to the people . Get it as a straight choice- remain OR no deal brexit, with mandatory voting and EU citizens and 16 year olds allowed to vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I don't think the two things can be reconciled. You either respect the referendum , OR respect the GFA. We signed treaties with the EU - and are currently extricating ourselves from that. Other countries do it Norway and Japan with whaling US with climate change times change, nothing lasts forever Me? I'd revoke article 50 , put it back to the people, scrap all the existing parties and put it back to the people . Get it as a straight choice- remain OR no deal brexit, with mandatory voting and EU citizens and 16 year olds allowed to vote The GFA was, I think, only signed between the UK & RoI As we were in the EU at the time the idea of borders was not envisaged. Equally not envisaged come Brexit. Agree with your last two lines though! Although would add that in this union of equals 3 out of the 4 countries have to be in favour. Remain gets the draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: sad thing is that both the Tory and Labour party have left the centrist ground. I don't see either as very helpful. there is space for the voices of the extremes, but they seem to have usurped the rest with the consequence that sensible heads on both sides are utterly sidelined. Interesting that you say that -- the same is true in the US. The old centrist ground can be roughly described as variations on neoliberalism (The Clintons and Blair, and Brown on one side, GWB and Cameron on the other). But neoliberalism as a political project was dealt a mortal blow in 2008. Obama and Miliband tried to re-create a new center ground for policy. Both ultimately failed. And so polarization it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Why would the GFA be maintained into perpetuity, lashing the rUK to that, and granting special rights to some in Ireland that are not available to all its citizens? Brexit annuls that. Why should some NI citizens have the right to EU nationality/ rights/ movement etc as UK citizens when Scots/ Welsh/English do not? If the UK is outside the EU the disparity cannot be reconciled. Why would an NI unionist be able to retain all EU rights and privilege when we cannot? Surely in that instance ALL UK citizens should have the right to joint EU/UK citizenship? ( after all, everyone in NI is a UK citizen) Agreed, it is madness. Perhaps we should just annexe NI. Don't think anyone would really notice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Ugly American said: Interesting that you say that -- the same is true in the US. The old centrist ground can be roughly described as variations on neoliberalism (The Clintons and Blair, and Brown on one side, GWB and Cameron on the other). But neoliberalism as a political project was dealt a mortal blow in 2008. Obama and Miliband tried to re-create a new center ground for policy. Both ultimately failed. And so polarization it is. Because, despite neoliberalism being mortally wounded, even keynsian capitalism is somehow seen as socialist by neo-libs/cons? In other words they can't admit they have made errors, but instead go deeper and deeper. Ultimately you will get a reaction to that which is as extreme as the problem because more moderate people have the ground taken from under them. It's almost as if Marx was right! Capitalism is eating itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Notts1874 said: I noticed a few tweets this morning saying we should now abolish the monarchy because she never stepped in last night. They have run out of people to blame so are now blaming Liz??? Meanwhile Mark Francois and Andrew Brigden are having a competition on who can be the biggest idiot this afternoon. Francois opens with what is basically a party political broadcast for Farage and Brigden follows up with "We used to rule a quarter of the globe" All delivered from a lectern with a picture of Thatcher on the it in front of an audience of pensioners. I'm not a royalist but that's brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 On 30/01/2019 at 16:47, Jambo-Jimbo said: Probably on College Green at 6am, pistols at ten paces. ? That would surely be Reece-Mogg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arse 'Friends' Dyslexic? Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Boris said: That Mark Francois is an utter bell-end! Still, that looks like the future face of the Tory Party. Every cloud and all that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Boris said: Because, despite neoliberalism being mortally wounded, even keynsian capitalism is somehow seen as socialist by neo-libs/cons? In other words they can't admit they have made errors, but instead go deeper and deeper. Ultimately you will get a reaction to that which is as extreme as the problem because more moderate people have the ground taken from under them. It's almost as if Marx was right! Capitalism is eating itself. Keynsian capitalism was always called socialist by the cons. They called it socialist then, they've been calling it socialist ever since, except when it's popular, then they say that's not the same thing. Capitalism is eating itself but I worry about the Marx boomlet right now. No one wants to hear me drone on about this (can't blame them) but I don't think this is going to turn out well. I just hope the fascist boomlet has a shorter expiration date than the Marx boomlet, because while I think there's a better leftism still growing under all the noise, it's not strong enough to confront the fascist revival directly, so we need the Corbyns and DSAs and such for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Agreed, it is madness. Perhaps we should just annexe NI. Don't think anyone would really notice... Or give them away? Then they can really be Irelands problem - as they have been ours for hundreds of years- its surely someone elses turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Arse 'Friends' Dyslexic? said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ugly American said: Keynsian capitalism was always called socialist by the cons. They called it socialist then, they've been calling it socialist ever since, except when it's popular, then they say that's not the same thing. Capitalism is eating itself but I worry about the Marx boomlet right now. No one wants to hear me drone on about this (can't blame them) but I don't think this is going to turn out well. I just hope the fascist boomlet has a shorter expiration date than the Marx boomlet, because while I think there's a better leftism still growing under all the noise, it's not strong enough to confront the fascist revival directly, so we need the Corbyns and DSAs and such for now. I'm not going to argue with that. And I share your fears. I try to tell myself that no matter what, good will overcome, it always has. Just our luck to be caught in this historical shit-show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: Why would the GFA be maintained into perpetuity, lashing the rUK to that, and granting special rights to some in Ireland that are not available to all its citizens? Brexit annuls that. Why should some NI citizens have the right to EU nationality/ rights/ movement etc as UK citizens when Scots/ Welsh/English do not? If the UK is outside the EU the disparity cannot be reconciled. Why would an NI unionist be able to retain all EU rights and privilege when we cannot? Surely in that instance ALL UK citizens should have the right to joint EU/UK citizenship? ( after all, everyone in NI is a UK citizen) Im annoyed about losing said rights and citizenship despite voting against but if Brexit actually does come to pass(which I still doubt), I'm not sure we should really be breaking what in effect was a peace treaty to end a still very recent civil war. The consequences of that could easily be horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Im annoyed about losing said rights and citizenship despite voting against but if Brexit actually does come to pass(which I still doubt), I'm not sure we should really be breaking what in effect was a peace treaty to end a still very recent civil war. The consequences of that could easily be horrific. It wasn't really a civil war though, was it? It was nationalist terrorism and thuggery , countered by nationalist thuggery and gangsterism . If you think a minority extremist group should take precedence over everything else at present then so be it- I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: It wasn't really a civil war though, was it? It was nationalist terrorism and thuggery , countered by nationalist thuggery and gangsterism . If you think a minority extremist group should take precedence over everything else at present then so be it- I don't. Ah Yet again forgetting that Ulster Unionist protectionism both caused and maintained discrimination against Catholics. The closet to which now is the DUP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Ah Yet again forgetting that Ulster Unionist protectionism both caused and maintained discrimination against Catholics. The closet to which now is the DUP. Not forgetting anything, Don't think that that either side has covered itself in glory. Merely suggesting that they need to get over themselves - both sides. And that neither should be holding rUK to ransom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: Why would the GFA be maintained into perpetuity, lashing the rUK to that, and granting special rights to some in Ireland that are not available to all its citizens? Brexit annuls that. Why should some NI citizens have the right to EU nationality/ rights/ movement etc as UK citizens when Scots/ Welsh/English do not? If the UK is outside the EU the disparity cannot be reconciled. Why would an NI unionist be able to retain all EU rights and privilege when we cannot? Surely in that instance ALL UK citizens should have the right to joint EU/UK citizenship? ( after all, everyone in NI is a UK citizen) Because that's the deal. Brexiteers can go and take a feck tae themselves if civil war is the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: Because that's the deal. Brexiteers can go and take a feck tae themselves if civil war is the cost. But you would depart the UK union treaties in the blink of an eye presumably? That WAS the deal. That deal may no longer be viable. No deal/treaty exists ad infinitum until the end of days. You don't stop change through violence or threat of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, doctor jambo said: But you would depart the UK union treaties in the blink of an eye presumably? That WAS the deal. That deal may no longer be viable. No deal/treaty exists ad infinitum until the end of days. You don't stop change through violence or threat of. Peace treaty. P E A C E! Opposed to violence, what else do you need a peace treaty for. Tiddlywinks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: But you would depart the UK union treaties in the blink of an eye presumably? That WAS the deal. That deal may no longer be viable. No deal/treaty exists ad infinitum until the end of days. You don't stop change through violence or threat of. This was signed by the UK government. Do u think an advisory referendum to leave a trading block should supercede a peace treaty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: This was signed by the UK government. Do u think an advisory referendum to leave a trading block should supercede a peace treaty? depends. Depends on whether the demands of a few bangers should supercede the rights of the other 60 million people? The world has moved on. The GFA is now largely nullified by the referendum - the 2 cannot possibly co-exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: depends. Depends on whether the demands of a few bangers should supercede the rights of the other 60 million people? The world has moved on. The GFA is now largely nullified by the referendum - the 2 cannot possibly co-exist. Prepare for incoming. This line doesn't go down well on here as I've found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, Taffin said: Prepare for incoming. This line doesn't go down well on here as I've found. Respect our rights or we’ll bomb your kids? sounds legit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Boris said: Because, despite neoliberalism being mortally wounded, even keynsian capitalism is somehow seen as socialist by neo-libs/cons? In other words they can't admit they have made errors, but instead go deeper and deeper. Ultimately you will get a reaction to that which is as extreme as the problem because more moderate people have the ground taken from under them. It's almost as if Marx was right! Capitalism is eating itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window This is a useful concept to keep in mind. Extreme rightists, through the media, have pushed this window so far to the right for the vast majority of people in both the US and the UK that what people consider "extreme" from Labour would have been centrist/slight rightist four decades ago. And what people now consider "run of the mill" from the Tories is indeed well right even of Thatcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Extension agreed by EU till the 30th June according to Sky News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Oh goody. Wonder how we will work around the EU elections then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Extension agreed by EU till the 30th June according to Sky News They have agreed to an extension but no date has been agreed yet, that will be done at the EU council meeting tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 That ****ing horror show Leadsom still going on about the EU revisiting the withdrawal agreement. Yeah... that's really helpful cheers. Maybe concentrate on the job at hand rather than posture for the upcoming leadership contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Hertha Berlin 3 Perfidious Albion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: They have agreed to an extension but no date has been agreed yet, that will be done at the EU council meeting tomorrow. Story changing by the minute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Commons agree extension because of the law passed on Monday. EU will avoid No Deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Boris said: Because, despite neoliberalism being mortally wounded, even keynsian capitalism is somehow seen as socialist by neo-libs/cons? In other words they can't admit they have made errors, but instead go deeper and deeper. Ultimately you will get a reaction to that which is as extreme as the problem because more moderate people have the ground taken from under them. It's almost as if Marx was right! Capitalism is eating itself. I agree Boris but it is still dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: depends. Depends on whether the demands of a few bangers should supercede the rights of the other 60 million people? The world has moved on. The GFA is now largely nullified by the referendum - the 2 cannot possibly co-exist. 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: depends. Depends on whether the demands of a few bangers should supercede the rights of the other 60 million people? The world has moved on. The GFA is now largely nullified by the referendum - the 2 cannot possibly co-exist. Aa well. At least it will bring you work and pharmaceutical profits. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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