Francis Albert Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: Nope. He's doing that all by himself. You'll have to ask the media why they have him front, left and centre all the time. The same media did precisely the same thing with Farage, the man who lost seven elections and is a person of interest for the FBI, but was treated like some all-conquering hero. My favourite bit from Robinson in recent weeks? When he held some latter-day Nuremberg Rally outside the High Court in front of journalists and supporters to complain he was being "silenced", before being whisked off for a banquet in his honour at the House of Lords. True man of the people is Yaxley-Lennon. I am not asking the media as I doubt the media would answer. And I certainly don't give a toss about Tommy Robinson's attempt to portray himself as some sort of martyr, with which you seem somehow oddly impressed or surprised or worthy of note ( your favourite bit"??). I am asking on here why the remain supporting media and indeed posters on here seem suddenly obsessed with Tommy Robinson. I suspect it is to discredit the leave vote. There are very legitimate reasons to support leave, as you yourself eloquently argued a mere two or three years ago. But just in case those legitimate reasons are discussed, let's just continue this smear about racists and the uneducated and proto-fascists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: I am not asking the media as I doubt the media would answer. And I certainly don't give a toss about Tommy Robinson's attempt to portray himself as some sort of martyr, with which you seem somehow oddly impressed or surprised or worthy of note ( your favourite bit"??). I am asking on here why the remain supporting media and indeed posters on here seem suddenly obsessed with Tommy Robinson. I suspect it is to discredit the leave vote. There are very legitimate reasons to support leave, as you yourself eloquently argued a mere two or three years ago. But just in case those legitimate reasons are discussed, let's just continue this smear about racists and the uneducated and proto-fascists. I think that's a bunch of nonsense tbh. You might as well ask why Katie Hopkins, Piers Morgan or Julia Hartley-Brewer are so high profile. Robinson knows how to play the media and especially, how to sell papers. That's it basically. And awfully sorry: but when fascists march through London, the media are bound to report it. Oh - and "my favourite bit" meant "in a long long list of Robinson embarrassing himself, that was my favourite". Edited December 9, 2018 by shaun.lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 7pm Channel 4 Debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: I think that's a bunch of nonsense tbh. You might as well ask why Katie Hopkins, Piers Morgan or Julia Hartley-Brewer are so high profile. Robinson knows how to play the media and especially, how to sell papers. That's it basically. And awfully sorry: but when fascists march through London, the media are bound to report it. Oh - and "my favourite bit" meant "in a long long list of Robinson embarrassing himself, that was my favourite". Katie Hopkins and Julia Hartley-Brewer (who?) have never really appeared on my radar. Piers Morgan only as a rather absurd, sycophantic and creepy TV presenter. But suddenly I open my newspapers and web pages and the news headlines are dominated by Tommy Robinson, who until the picture associated with McCraes Battalion a few weeks back had also scarcely appeared on my radar. There was a demonstration by the EDL outside my local railway station a few months ago, a rather sad but very unthreatening bunch of losers waving Union flags. Even the local freebie News Shopper didn't report it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: 7pm Channel 4 Debate That's such a poor panel. Rees Mogg is a cloth tape measure away from being a Victorian undertaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) On 01/09/2017 at 16:20, I P Knightley said: Deadringers have done a good job. I can't see the guy on telly nor hear his name on the radio without muttering "Brexit Bulldog here!" under my breath Yesterday's guff from Liam Fox that we are being 'blackmailed' got my back up. The EU member states value stability much more than they value a trade deal with the UK. We buy 3% of their collective exports, they are more than half of our exports. These are countries that have suffered economic crises, hyperinflation, communism and fascism. Stability matters to them above all and we are a source of instability. Ideological, nationalistic fools like Liam Fox are probably genuinely confused and frustrated because they were unable to look at the reality of where Brexit would leave us. At some point, they have to recognise that "Project Fear" was actually "Project Face Reality". They may well know it but they can't admit it. We were in a relatively weak position when we had one of the best performing economies in Europe, because we just aren't that big or rich a country. But now we're the worst performing country in the EU, we are essentially irrelevant to them. We have to make major concessions if we are going to get a trade deal with the EU and the Brexit Bulldog attitude doesn't lend itself to concession. (They all think they're Maggie Effing Thatcher in her pomp; none of them have the balls she had.) Our political leaders in the UK are completely out of their depth. We are not one of the worst performing countries in the EU by any measure other rhan that of the extremist. Leavers. It is absolute crap.And to say we are irrelevant to them? Really? Edited December 9, 2018 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Francis Albert said: And why has this little no-mark Tommy Robinson suddenly become a national political figure, all over the front page of the Guardian and other papers and media? Not to discredit the people who voted the wrong way in a supposedly democratic vote surely? UKIP embracing him has given him another platform and possibly some political credibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Boris said: UKIP embracing him has given him another platform and possibly some political credibility? UKIP gives him poltical credibility? Says it all. He is an irrelevance except as a remainer bogey man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 45 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: UKIP gives him poltical credibility? Says it all. He is an irrelevance except as a remainer bogey man. I did say possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Did somebody just put the words "UKIP" and "political credibility" in the same sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 15 hours ago, JackLadd said: I think this parliament are going to ignore the referendum and keep us in this eu mare. We could get a pm Jeremy out of this also with the likes of Abbott and Thornberry in charge. Krankie will tell her sheep that we need Brussels as our masters and they'll swallow it like a seagull downing a chip. About your last wee bit, you voted leave, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Francis Albert said: We are not one of the worst performing countries in the EU by any measure other rhan that of the extremist. Leavers. It is absolute crap.And to say we are irrelevant to them? Really? Aye, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 15 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: Does it aye? It doesn't, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Francis Albert said: UKIP gives him poltical credibility? Says it all. He is an irrelevance except as a remainer bogey man. Aye, it's remainers. They invited him to join Ukip to help with their islamophobic agenda. It's more likely a scam by Farage and co, to give them more credibility, for when the take over the farthest right part of the Tory party when they split. Far-fetched, you say, maybe, but you started it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Katie Hopkins and Julia Hartley-Brewer (who?) have never really appeared on my radar. Piers Morgan only as a rather absurd, sycophantic and creepy TV presenter. But suddenly I open my newspapers and web pages and the news headlines are dominated by Tommy Robinson, who until the picture associated with McCraes Battalion a few weeks back had also scarcely appeared on my radar. There was a demonstration by the EDL outside my local railway station a few months ago, a rather sad but very unthreatening bunch of losers waving Union flags. Even the local freebie News Shopper didn't report it. Well that's me convinced. Nothing to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Thanks. You confirm my suspicions about his sudden fame and OTT publicity. Painted as a "poster boy" for Leave voters - by Remain supporters. He's not a poster boy for Leave voters. He's a fecking Nazi who should be jailed for treason. Anyone with his views should be jailed or shot. Otherwise what was the point of WW2. Freedom of speech, nae I don't think so. Edited December 10, 2018 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 15 hours ago, jake said: May can't get her car crash deal through. How could she . What's next ? No deal won't be accepted by parliament. It's like all votes about EU membership. There will be another referendum Aussie. Until we get the right result. And that's my point about Scottish independence. Except you would be making the opposite arguments. And that will be pointed out by unionists. She doesn't have to, she just leaves come March . Nothing to do with The EU or Scots indy. It's just a matter of time. There'll be no second euref, and if there is it's had nothing to do with the EU. The withdrawal negotiations are over, parliament will vote against. That means No deal. Not no Brexit. Independence!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 15 hours ago, jake said: As for the BBC. Out of 4000 plus guests on the today programme in relation to the EU only 140 were brexiteers. And of those 140 only 2% from the left perspective. N8ce and handy to paint leave voters a right wing racist Torie types. There is some more stats if you want Shaun. Don't want to go all wobbly wobbly but brexit won't happen. Because it won't be allowed to. The problem with your stats Jake is that they have no context. For example, the sort of people that are typically on that show are often politicians or journalists, who in general, are much more like to be remainers than leavers, unlike the general population. Then you have issues like whether folk are willing to appear on the show, wanting folk on the show who are known as that increases ratings etc. All of that applies even more so for left leavers, even smaller pool. I'm not saying there is no bias, I don't know. But random numbers without context doesn't prove anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 16 hours ago, jake said: May can't get her car crash deal through. How could she . What's next ? No deal won't be accepted by parliament. It's like all votes about EU membership. There will be another referendum Aussie. Until we get the right result. And that's my point about Scottish independence. Except you would be making the opposite arguments. And that will be pointed out by unionists. Jake, Unionists are unionists. But just one thing, The Edinburgh agreement. Jake see if there is no Brexit, England will burn Wm down. The whole country will go mad. We can just slip out the side door, unnoticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Real Maroonblood Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 According to news reports the ECJ has said the UK can cancel Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: According to news reports the ECJ has said the UK can cancel Brexit. Going to be an interesting 36 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Going to be an interesting 36 hours. It certainly will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: According to news reports the ECJ has said the UK can cancel Brexit. If agreed by Parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: If agreed by Parliament Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 hours ago, ri Alban said: It doesn't, no. Aye it does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 20 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: Reassured by low levels of racism. If you're waiting for some utopian day when 0% of people are racist, you'll be waiting a very long time. And you still haven't responded about the Greens. 22% is, last I checked, a rather bigger figure than 13%. Scandalously selective Shaun. You've been away too long to know what's going on in Europe, clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Yet again people had to go to court to get this judgement. Whereas the Court of Justice stated they made the judgement to help Parliament decide on the Deal by "clarifying options". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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...a bit disco Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Rumours now that tomorrows vote pulled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, ...a bit disco said: Rumours now that tomorrows vote pulled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab87 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Bloomberg now reporting that it is pulled. What happens now? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: Rumours now that tomorrows vote pulled. But......but she said it is the best deal for the country and it's her way or no way.......................shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rab87 said: Bloomberg now reporting that it is pulled. What happens now? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ My feeling is it will go to a revote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 7 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: The problem with your stats Jake is that they have no context. For example, the sort of people that are typically on that show are often politicians or journalists, who in general, are much more like to be remainers than leavers, unlike the general population. Then you have issues like whether folk are willing to appear on the show, wanting folk on the show who are known as that increases ratings etc. All of that applies even more so for left leavers, even smaller pool. I'm not saying there is no bias, I don't know. But random numbers without context doesn't prove anything. I was trying to counter Shaun and many other people's view that the vote was rigged in favour of Leave. Take your point but come on the numbers are overwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Notts1874 said: But......but she said it is the best deal for the country and it's her way or no way.......................shambles. It's quite obvious that her deal is the worst. As much as it pains me being a brexiteer I'd suggest that a revote is the only solution. I've actually given up on the UK being able to leave. Which is confirmation of all that is wrong . My opinion of course which means fek all . As an aside it also bears warning for any future independence vote. Can only imagine the onslaught during transition . Edited December 10, 2018 by jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab87 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, jake said: My feeling is it will go to a revote. You mean another referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The end of the line for May, surely. Negotiated a deal so unpopular that she's not even willing to put it to a vote. The EU aren't going to budge so quite honestly, that's her finished. Not sure what the next best course of action is. Second referendum seriously runs the risk of no deal brexit winning. General election could mean Corbyn who has shown himself to be as inept a leader as May through this process. What's that thing they talk about - government of national unity or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Rab87 said: You mean another referendum? Yes. Think it's the only thing parliament will vote through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Like a good murder mystery Twist after twist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The end of the line for May, surely. Negotiated a deal so unpopular that she's not even willing to put it to a vote. The EU aren't going to budge so quite honestly, that's her finished. Not sure what the next best course of action is. Second referendum seriously runs the risk of no deal brexit winning. General election could mean Corbyn who has shown himself to be as inept a leader as May through this process. What's that thing they talk about - government of national unity or something? Not so sure the leave vote would win. Given the media bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Statement to the Commons at 3.30pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Mikey1874 said: Like a good murder mystery Twist after twist It has stretched democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The end of the line for May, surely. Negotiated a deal so unpopular that she's not even willing to put it to a vote. The EU aren't going to budge so quite honestly, that's her finished. Not sure what the next best course of action is. Second referendum seriously runs the risk of no deal brexit winning. General election could mean Corbyn who has shown himself to be as inept a leader as May through this process. What's that thing they talk about - government of national unity or something? Let the Queen take over negotiations-She is HOS after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just wonder if any leave voters on here would change to remain. Or vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, jake said: Not so sure the leave vote would win. Given the media bias. That makes the same assumption as last time - that those in the media bubble who have comfortable lifestyles are reflective of the majority of the general public. They really aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, jake said: Just wonder if any leave voters on here would change to remain. Or vice versa. I was remain last time and would be remain this time. But I say that knowing full well that a lot of people will see this as the UK voting until the EU gets the result it wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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