Barcelona

[doctor jambo]

TBH the stuff itself would be pretty hard to even track, no idea about Spain but you can buy at least 16KG butane bottles from Petrol stations. If you have multiple people paying cash at multiple petrol stations it wouldn't take long to get 120 without attracting any attention. People do buy it for legitimate reasons so or else you're going to start doing racial profiling, a random North African buying a single canister won't stand out.

Similarly nails, and even acetone. My wife's bought multiple half litre bottles over amazing for doing nails, it's pretty easily available. I seriously doubt they bought a 100L in one go.

That's the main problem, it's easy to track Semtex or even fertiliser but those 'returning' have the know how to build horrible explosives from relatively safe every day ingredients.

You tried buying a gas tank? deposits, forms, blah blah blah

nearly put me off having a BBQ

[Adam Murray]

A small piece from Douglas Murray on Barcelona and Charlottesville

 

 

"And yet after Barcelona, as is the case after every act of Islamist barbarism, there has been an awkward, shuffling silence in left and liberal circles. There is media coverage, of course. Lots of it, as there should be. There are condemnations and offers of solidarity with Barcelona and so on. That?s all good. But politics? Anger? A demand that we recognise the gravity of the threat posed by Islamists and get together to do something about it? Calls for confrontation with Islamist movements, demands that we ?Punch an Islamist?, in the same way American leftists have promoted ?Punch a Nazi?? No. On the contrary, we are encouraged to be sad about Islamist attacks but never active in relation to them. ?Don?t look back in anger.? Consider how swiftly the Manchester barbarism has drifted from Britain?s national consciousness. It wasn?t even three months ago, and yet this slaughter of 22 pop fans by a man who subscribed to an ideological worldview that is as ugly, if not uglier, as that spouted by American white nationalists is fading from national memory. That is a direct consequence of the cowardly, apolitical, even anti-political climate that is always cultivated after Islamist attacks: we are always invited to ?move on? because dwelling on such extremist violence would raise too many awkward questions.

The difference is alarming: Charlottesville was instantly institutionalised as a turning-point event. It was folded, in mere days, into a 21st-century political narrative about a resurgent far right (an overblown threat) and the need for a more serious, anti-fascist left. It became a morality tale, swiftly. After Islamist attacks, in contrast, we?re openly warned against doing anything like that. Don?t look for lessons. Don?t make it a moral issue. Don?t politicise it or get too angry about it, because apparently that?s what ISIS wants. Mourn it and carry on with life as normal ? that?ll show ?em. This urge to moralise small neo-Nazi protests in the US while de-moralising, depoliticising and fundamentally defusing the problem of Islamist extremism, even though this extremism is a far more destabilising force, has to be explained. What drives this alarming double standard?"

[Cade]

 

A small piece from Douglas Murray on Barcelona and Charlottesville

 

 

"And yet after Barcelona, as is the case after every act of Islamist barbarism, there has been an awkward, shuffling silence in left and liberal circles. There is media coverage, of course. Lots of it, as there should be. There are condemnations and offers of solidarity with Barcelona and so on. That?s all good. But politics? Anger? A demand that we recognise the gravity of the threat posed by Islamists and get together to do something about it? Calls for confrontation with Islamist movements, demands that we ?Punch an Islamist?, in the same way American leftists have promoted ?Punch a Nazi?? No. On the contrary, we are encouraged to be sad about Islamist attacks but never active in relation to them. ?Don?t look back in anger.? Consider how swiftly the Manchester barbarism has drifted from Britain?s national consciousness. It wasn?t even three months ago, and yet this slaughter of 22 pop fans by a man who subscribed to an ideological worldview that is as ugly, if not uglier, as that spouted by American white nationalists is fading from national memory. That is a direct consequence of the cowardly, apolitical, even anti-political climate that is always cultivated after Islamist attacks: we are always invited to ?move on? because dwelling on such extremist violence would raise too many awkward questions.

The difference is alarming: Charlottesville was instantly institutionalised as a turning-point event. It was folded, in mere days, into a 21st-century political narrative about a resurgent far right (an overblown threat) and the need for a more serious, anti-fascist left. It became a morality tale, swiftly. After Islamist attacks, in contrast, we?re openly warned against doing anything like that. Don?t look for lessons. Don?t make it a moral issue. Don?t politicise it or get too angry about it, because apparently that?s what ISIS wants. Mourn it and carry on with life as normal ? that?ll show ?em. This urge to moralise small neo-Nazi protests in the US while de-moralising, depoliticising and fundamentally defusing the problem of Islamist extremism, even though this extremism is a far more destabilising force, has to be explained. What drives this alarming double standard?"

 

We've been bombing the shite out of them in various countries for 16 years

 

What more does this bloke want?

[Gorgiewave]

We've been bombing the shite out of them in various countries for 16 years

 

What more does this bloke want?

But that's not the reason. It's the latest version of jihad, following all the others way back long before the Crusades.

 

Jihad was invented in the 6th Century, not in 2001.

[Space Mackerel]

But that's not the reason. It's the latest version of jihad, following all the others way back long before the Crusades.

 

Jihad was invented in the 6th Century, not in 2001.

Last time I remember the jihad being called was Salman Rushdie wrote a book, just around the time the Cold War was coming to and end and the West needed a new bogey man to throw gadzillions of spondoolies at the same military industrial complex.

 

Could've just been a coincidence though. [emoji16]

[Gorgiewave]

Last time I remember the jihad being called was Salman Rushdie wrote a book, just around the time the Cold War was coming to and end and the West needed a new bogey man to throw gadzillions of spondoolies at the same military industrial complex.

 

Could've just been a coincidence though. [emoji16]

 

The attack in Barcelona was jihad. So were Manchester, 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Copenhagen, Paris, Brussels, Glasgow, etc, etc., etc.

 

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.

 

Be not fainthearted then; and invite not the infidels to peace when ye have the upper hand: for God is with you, and will not defraud you of the recompense of your works...

[Rocco_Jambo]

 

A small piece from Douglas Murray on Barcelona and Charlottesville

 

"And yet after Barcelona, as is the case after every act of Islamist barbarism, there has been an awkward, shuffling silence in left and liberal circles. There is media coverage, of course. Lots of it, as there should be. There are condemnations and offers of solidarity with Barcelona and so on. That?s all good. But politics? Anger? A demand that we recognise the gravity of the threat posed by Islamists and get together to do something about it? Calls for confrontation with Islamist movements, demands that we ?Punch an Islamist?, in the same way American leftists have promoted ?Punch a Nazi?? No. On the contrary, we are encouraged to be sad about Islamist attacks but never active in relation to them. ?Don?t look back in anger.? Consider how swiftly the Manchester barbarism has drifted from Britain?s national consciousness. It wasn?t even three months ago, and yet this slaughter of 22 pop fans by a man who subscribed to an ideological worldview that is as ugly, if not uglier, as that spouted by American white nationalists is fading from national memory. That is a direct consequence of the cowardly, apolitical, even anti-political climate that is always cultivated after Islamist attacks: we are always invited to ?move on? because dwelling on such extremist violence would raise too many awkward questions.

The difference is alarming: Charlottesville was instantly institutionalised as a turning-point event. It was folded, in mere days, into a 21st-century political narrative about a resurgent far right (an overblown threat) and the need for a more serious, anti-fascist left. It became a morality tale, swiftly. After Islamist attacks, in contrast, we?re openly warned against doing anything like that. Don?t look for lessons. Don?t make it a moral issue. Don?t politicise it or get too angry about it, because apparently that?s what ISIS wants. Mourn it and carry on with life as normal ? that?ll show ?em. This urge to moralise small neo-Nazi protests in the US while de-moralising, depoliticising and fundamentally defusing the problem of Islamist extremism, even though this extremism is a far more destabilising force, has to be explained. What drives this alarming double standard?"

He's spot on as usual.

[Space Mackerel]

The attack in Barcelona was jihad. So were Manchester, 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Copenhagen, Paris, Brussels, Glasgow, etc, etc., etc.

 

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.

 

Be not fainthearted then; and invite not the infidels to peace when ye have the upper hand: for God is with you, and will not defraud you of the recompense of your works...

You're not clever enough to understand my last post.

 

I couldn't give 2 shinys about quotes from the Quran.

[Gorgiewave]

You're not clever enough to understand my last post.

 

I couldn't give 2 shinys about quotes from the Quran.

 

It doesn't matter if you care, it matters if the jihadists care (they do).

 

In the Salman Rushdie case, there was a fatwa, not jihad.

[Space Mackerel]

It doesn't matter if you care, it matters if the jihadists care (they do).

 

In the Salman Rushdie case, there was a fatwa, not jihad.

Funny how the 2 most high profile recent attacks were during the UK GE and now 6 weeks before the Catalan independence referendum?

 

Must be another coincidence right enough. [emoji16]

[Gorgiewave]

Funny how the 2 most high profile recent attacks were during the UK GE and now 6 weeks before the Catalan independence referendum?

 

Must be another coincidence right enough. [emoji16]

 

I'd say so, yes.

 

7/7 was to influence...? Surely to get somebody other than Gordon Brown to succeed Tony Blair?

9/11 was to do what?

 

The Madrid attack in 2004, possibly. It certainly did affect the election. It was 2.5 years to the day since 9/11.

 

There won't be a legal and binding Catalan independence referendum, because of la indisoluble unidad de la Naci?n espa?ola, patria com?n e indivisible de todos los espa?oles.

[Cade]

9/11 was carefully timed as it fell on the same date as the Dawson's Field Hijackings in 1970 and also the creation of the first Zionist Moshav in Palestine in 1921.

[Space Mackerel]

I'd say so, yes.

 

7/7 was to influence...? Surely to get somebody other than Gordon Brown to succeed Tony Blair?

9/11 was to do what?

 

The Madrid attack in 2004, possibly. It certainly did affect the election. It was 2.5 years to the day since 9/11.

 

There won't be a legal and binding Catalan independence referendum, because of la indisoluble unidad de la Naci?n espa?ola, patria com?n e indivisible de todos los espa?oles.

A lot of coincidences so far.

 

Must have been a really severe coincidence that 2 steel constructed towers fell within minutes due to fire while the other one next door fell a day or so later. All free fall speed too into their own footprints. [emoji16]

 

Fred Dibnah would've been proud.

[Gorgiewave]

A lot of coincidences so far.

 

Must have been a really severe coincidence that 2 steel constructed towers fell within minutes due to fire while the other one next door fell a day or so later. All free fall speed too into their own footprints. [emoji16]

 

Fred Dibnah would've been proud.

 

You're as bad as, or just are, aussieh (RIP).

[Space Mackerel]

 

You're as bad as, or just are, aussieh (RIP).

Jet fuel, that what it was, all Fred needed was Avtur. [emoji16]

[elvoys]

He's spot on as usual.

Truly the heir to Hitchens although not sure Hitch could have written the book he's just produced.

[Gorgiewave]

Truly the heir to Hitchens although not sure Hitch could have written the book he's just produced.

 

Is it that good? Why do you say Hitch might not have been able to write it?

[elvoys]

Is it that good? Why do you say Hitch might not have been able to write it?

Murrays the better writer imo. It is outstanding and gets at the historical and philosophical reasons for Europe not knowing who it is. Also recommend his book on Bloody Sunday.

[Gorgiewave]

Murrays the better writer imo. It is outstanding and gets at the historical and philosophical reasons for Europe not knowing who it is. Also recommend his book on Bloody Sunday.

 

I'll order them, thanks.