Heartsmad1874 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Hearts and Hibs could both have played league games this Friday evening leaving Monday for the replay. No TV money next Wed is a loss to both clubs. So your suggesting we cause Inverness and their fans a massive inconveniece by making them come up for a 7.45pm kick off even though some may have booked travel/tickets already for the Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I think Hearts and Hibs should be extremely disappointed with the SFA. Scheduling the replay when the champions league is on deprives fans of a potentially exciting fixture (Knock out derby whats not to love?) whilst also depriving the clubs of much needed cash and exposure. I couldn't help wondering if the OF had a replay if there would have been a reaction from the SFA. So tinpot its embarrassing. But hey, we get to watch 4 plastic clubs play in a plastic competition followed by plastic fans. Fantastic. There's no way in hell, that if the game was between those two scum, it wouldn't end up live on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 So your suggesting we cause Inverness and their fans a massive inconveniece by making them come up for a 7.45pm kick off even though some may have booked travel/tickets already for the Saturday?Happens to all fans at some point. We have had a number of games in Inverness, Aberdeen etc moved at short notice for TV. Why should ICT fans be any different. We have already played Aberdeen on a Friday night this season. Still going to Killie on a Friday night. We were up in Inverness Friday night recently if I remember correctly. Aberdeen at 12.15 on a Saturday coming up as well. Try getting a train or bus to Aberdeen for that one. Inconvenient to say the least. Inverness is only 2.5 hours away, it's not the ends of the earth. That's a short trip for most English clubs fans. I was just trying to come up with a solution to a problem that tens of thousands will have versus a small inconvenience for a few hundred ICT fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellion Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Happens to all fans at some point. We have had a number of games in Inverness, Aberdeen etc moved at short notice for TV. Why should ICT fans be any different. We have already played Aberdeen on a Friday night this season. Still going to Killie on a Friday night. We were up in Inverness Friday night recently if I remember correctly. Aberdeen at 12.15 on a Saturday coming up as well. Try getting a train or bus to Aberdeen for that one. Inconvenient to say the least. Inverness is only 2.5 hours away, it's not the ends of the earth. That's a short trip for most English clubs fans. I was just trying to come up with a solution to a problem that tens of thousands will have versus a small inconvenience for a few hundred ICT fans. I don't think it's viable to change a game at 6 days' notice when fans on both sides will have bought tickets & made plans, but I see where you're coming from. Short notice aside, though, I don't think we should be arguing it's not a big deal because ICT have a small fanbase. People are rightly pointing out that this scenario would never happen if the OF were involved. That's because the SFA think they can get away with shafting us because we're not that big a deal. To the SFA, us and Hibs are just slightly bigger non-OF clubs. Who cares if we get shafted? I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but the whole reason this thing has even happened is because big, powerful clubs assume smaller ones don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 So your suggesting we cause Inverness and their fans a massive inconveniece by making them come up for a 7.45pm kick off even though some may have booked travel/tickets already for the Saturday? He seems to be! He's also suggesting that Raith Rovers be forced to move a home game from a Saturday afternoon to a Friday night, with less than a week's notice. And he's suggesting Hearts should move a home game to a Friday night with less than a week's notice. So he wants all of the fans of four different clubs to have matches moved to a Friday night with less than a week's notice, regardless of the inconvenience to what will be over 20,000 people that have made plans around the games being on the Saturday, including many fans that have booked into hospitality for the day, and regardless of the effect on staff of all the clubs, caterers, stewards, police, etc. Just so a different match, which two of the four clubs aren't even involved in anyway, can be shown on tv! It beggars belief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Happens to all fans at some point. We have had a number of games in Inverness, Aberdeen etc moved at short notice for TV. Why should ICT fans be any different. We have already played Aberdeen on a Friday night this season. Still going to Killie on a Friday night. We were up in Inverness Friday night recently if I remember correctly. Aberdeen at 12.15 on a Saturday coming up as well. Try getting a train or bus to Aberdeen for that one. Inconvenient to say the least. Inverness is only 2.5 hours away, it's not the ends of the earth. That's a short trip for most English clubs fans. I was just trying to come up with a solution to a problem that tens of thousands will have versus a small inconvenience for a few hundred ICT fans. Remind me of a time when we've had one of our games moved from a Saturday to a Friday at less than a week's notice so that another game that doesn't even involve us can be shown on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It's funny how every time a league fixture is scheduled for tv, loads of folk are moaning on jkb about how it's all about tv, no consideration is given to fans that go to games, then as soon as there's a game that folk want to see on tv, we're being shafted by the sfa, it's a disgrace that it isn't being scheduled for a Monday or a late afternoon so it can be shown on tv, and to hell with anyone that actually goes to games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellion Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It's funny how every time a league fixture is scheduled for tv, loads of folk are moaning on jkb about how it's all about tv, no consideration is given to fans that go to games, then as soon as there's a game that folk want to see on tv, it's suddenly a disgrace that it isn't being scheduled for a Monday or a late afternoon so it can be shown on tv, and to hell with anyone that actually goes to games! But what people actually resent is the extent to which power has been taken away from fans. Televised games suit me so I tend not to complain about it, but if people are upset about kick off times being moved just so Sky or BT can fulfil their quotas then that's fair enough. And it's equally shit knowing that you can't watch your team because someone somewhere was bullied into signing a nonsensical Memorandum of Understanding so that the big teams can make more money and keep the vast majority of it for themselves. Honestly, if you think about it, it's mad. UEFA know that their sponsorship with Heineken or whoever is worth more if they can guarantee they've fixed the TV market in their favour, and as a consequence of that, I can't watch my team in a massive game? Am I meant to give a shit about Sevilla or Wolfsburg or Spartak Moscow or whoever instead? Loads of people will feel the same way, and then some of those people will be irritated that a home game with Aberdeen or whoever gets shifted at relatively short notice, because it messes up their plans. Seems fine to me. We're just pawns being used by people with vested interests who don't give a shit about us. It's OK to be frustrated with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It's funny how every time a league fixture is scheduled for tv, loads of folk are moaning on jkb about how it's all about tv, no consideration is given to fans that go to games, then as soon as there's a game that folk want to see on tv, we're being shafted by the sfa, it's a disgrace that it isn't being scheduled for a Monday or a late afternoon so it can be shown on tv, and to hell with anyone that actually goes to games! I tend to agree with your reasoning mate, however the utterly crazy rule of not allowing other games to be televised just so their darling comp can be shown live on telly without any other games being shown at the same time, is just draconian, it beggars belief in itself. UEFA are dictators, and we must all obey these scumbags. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 There's a precedent, it is not the SFA you need to lobby, it's Sky. If they really want to show it, they will apply the pressure but I suspect they won't be too bothered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 If I was hibs, in play at it 1500 on the wed. Means we would struggle to get to the game, but Thier own crowd would probably be boosted, nae job, day after giro day, middle of the day so that it still leaves time to get melted on meth after the game, perfect for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 The SFA could and should have planned for this much better, particularly given the same issue happened last year! It is not a completely unrealistic chance that a cup tie might end up a draw, needing a replay! Next Monday night would have been ideal. There is one FA cup match on, so between three potential broadcasters with multiple channels, it would have been picked up. That's what I said on the other thread. No reason at all why the replay can't be on the Monday night. Assuming neither club is playing on the Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just wondering why all replays are not being played next week! Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It's funny how every time a league fixture is scheduled for tv, loads of folk are moaning on jkb about how it's all about tv, no consideration is given to fans that go to games, then as soon as there's a game that folk want to see on tv, we're being shafted by the sfa, it's a disgrace that it isn't being scheduled for a Monday or a late afternoon so it can be shown on tv, and to hell with anyone that actually goes to games! So stuff the many thousands who WOULD go to the game but can't get a ticket! Stuff the ever-growing international fan base; all those many, many Hearts fans who cannot be at the game for health, age, work reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just noticed that Dunfermline v Hamilton went to a reply too and they're playing tomorrow night. Why is our replay another week away? Surely a bit of initiative could've been used to think oh "what if this does end a draw" and have plans in place to have a replay televised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 But what people actually resent is the extent to which power has been taken away from fans. Televised games suit me so I tend not to complain about it, but if people are upset about kick off times being moved just so Sky or BT can fulfil their quotas then that's fair enough. And it's equally shit knowing that you can't watch your team because someone somewhere was bullied into signing a nonsensical Memorandum of Understanding so that the big teams can make more money and keep the vast majority of it for themselves. Honestly, if you think about it, it's mad. UEFA know that their sponsorship with Heineken or whoever is worth more if they can guarantee they've fixed the TV market in their favour, and as a consequence of that, I can't watch my team in a massive game? Am I meant to give a shit about Sevilla or Wolfsburg or Spartak Moscow or whoever instead? Loads of people will feel the same way, and then some of those people will be irritated that a home game with Aberdeen or whoever gets shifted at relatively short notice, because it messes up their plans. Seems fine to me. We're just pawns being used by people with vested interests who don't give a shit about us. It's OK to be frustrated with that. Spot on - massive sponsorship deals are there because they're paying for a monopoly, a captive audience that has no other football to watch. **** UEFA, they're there to make money for the big boys and screw the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just noticed that Dunfermline v Hamilton went to a reply too and they're playing tomorrow night. Why is our replay another week away? Surely a bit of initiative could've been used to think oh "what if this does end a draw" and have plans in place to have a replay televised? There's are champions league games tomorrow and Wednesday as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Mind you after that poor excuse for a football match yesterday there is no garauntee that any of the TV companies would be interested in showing the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie1952 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Sportsmania ? Got most stuff on that but no idea about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 There's are champions league games tomorrow and Wednesday as well Just noticed this after I posted. Rather stupid though when a Portugese & French team are playing with no UK involvement this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just noticed this after I posted. Rather stupid though when a Portugese & French team are playing with no UK involvement this week. Absolutely. They could easily have all the champions league first legs this week or next but instead they spread it over weeks maximising the obstruction to everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just noticed that Dunfermline v Hamilton went to a reply too and they're playing tomorrow night. Why is our replay another week away? Surely a bit of initiative could've been used to think oh "what if this does end a draw" and have plans in place to have a replay televised? I think the logistics of organising something at such short notice would've been a nightmare mate, around 20,000 fans would've been a horrendous thing to organise so quickly, you'll be lucky if there's 1500 at the Hamilton game. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Sportsmania ? Got most stuff on that but no idea about this one. There has to be cameras at the game in the first place for it to be on Sportsmania. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 shame they can't just record it with camera's and stream it on Peroscope If UEFA are going to be ***** with shitey rules designed to promote their shite competition for plastic fans in the developing world then surely we can find a loophole to screen it anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterintheRain Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Happens to all fans at some point. We have had a number of games in Inverness, Aberdeen etc moved at short notice for TV. Why should ICT fans be any different. We have already played Aberdeen on a Friday night this season. Still going to Killie on a Friday night. We were up in Inverness Friday night recently if I remember correctly. Aberdeen at 12.15 on a Saturday coming up as well. Try getting a train or bus to Aberdeen for that one. Inconvenient to say the least. Inverness is only 2.5 hours away, it's not the ends of the earth. That's a short trip for most English clubs fans. I was just trying to come up with a solution to a problem that tens of thousands will have versus a small inconvenience for a few hundred ICT fans. Not with the average speed cameras on the A9. Unless you don't like having a driving licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I don't think it's viable to change a game at 6 days' notice when fans on both sides will have bought tickets & made plans, but I see where you're coming from. Short notice aside, though, I don't think we should be arguing it's not a big deal because ICT have a small fanbase. People are rightly pointing out that this scenario would never happen if the OF were involved. That's because the SFA think they can get away with shafting us because we're not that big a deal. To the SFA, us and Hibs are just slightly bigger non-OF clubs. Who cares if we get shafted? I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but the whole reason this thing has even happened is because big, powerful clubs assume smaller ones don't matter. If we were at home to Celtic or The Rangers next Wednesday do you think the SFA would find a way for it to be televised either by earlier ko or date change? I do. Similarly if it was Celtic v The Rangers replay next week. Other fixtures would be rescheduled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Not with the average speed cameras on the A9. Unless you don't like having a driving licence. The clue is in the prior sentence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 He seems to be! He's also suggesting that Raith Rovers be forced to move a home game from a Saturday afternoon to a Friday night, with less than a week's notice. And he's suggesting Hearts should move a home game to a Friday night with less than a week's notice. So he wants all of the fans of four different clubs to have matches moved to a Friday night with less than a week's notice, regardless of the inconvenience to what will be over 20,000 people that have made plans around the games being on the Saturday, including many fans that have booked into hospitality for the day, and regardless of the effect on staff of all the clubs, caterers, stewards, police, etc. Just so a different match, which two of the four clubs aren't even involved in anyway, can be shown on tv! It beggars belief! No, I was suggesting that these were options if someone had just given some prior thought to the scheduling of any potential replay. It happened last year. One mistake is excusable. To make the same mistake a second time is inexcusable. Cost two Scottish clubs ?100k plus in tv income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It's funny how every time a league fixture is scheduled for tv, loads of folk are moaning on jkb about how it's all about tv, no consideration is given to fans that go to games, then as soon as there's a game that folk want to see on tv, we're being shafted by the sfa, it's a disgrace that it isn't being scheduled for a Monday or a late afternoon so it can be shown on tv, and to hell with anyone that actually goes to games!If you are trying to promote Scottish football to the tv companies then you would want a Hibs v Hearts cup replay broadcast before many of the meaningless, poorly attended games that are regularly broadcast. It's all about managing your product. Something the SFA/SPFL do particularly badly in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I tend to agree with your reasoning mate, however the utterly crazy rule of not allowing other games to be televised just so their darling comp can be shown live on telly without any other games being shown at the same time, is just draconian, it beggars belief in itself. UEFA are dictators, and we must all obey these scumbags. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Oh yes, the block on domestic games being televised when UEFA's precious tournaments are on is ridiculous. And I'm as disappointed as most people that the game won't be televised because of it. But I don't think rearranging games left, right and centre to fit one game in around the block would be equally ridiculous in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellion Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 If we were at home to Celtic or The Rangers next Wednesday do you think the SFA would find a way for it to be televised either by earlier ko or date change? I do. Similarly if it was Celtic v The Rangers replay next week. Other fixtures would be rescheduled. Yeah, course I do. Definitely if it was an OF derby. They'd do anything necessary to get it televised. That's kind of the point I was making though - the powers that be will look after the big sides and who cares about anyone else. If we were to say "who cares about ICT and their 300 fans, they're just a wee club", we'd be no better, and we'd be accepting that it's OK to shaft smaller clubs. The game should be on TV IMO, but not at the expense of existing fixtures for which tickets have been bought & arrangements made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 What if the broadcasters said thanks but, no thanks? Which very well maybe the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Is it the same rule with the Europa League? Not unheard of to delay a fixture till a Thursday night surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Yeah, course I do. Definitely if it was an OF derby. They'd do anything necessary to get it televised. That's kind of the point I was making though - the powers that be will look after the big sides and who cares about anyone else. If we were to say "who cares about ICT and their 300 fans, they're just a wee club", we'd be no better, and we'd be accepting that it's OK to shaft smaller clubs. The game should be on TV IMO, but not at the expense of existing fixtures for which tickets have been bought & arrangements made. I agree. What I was saying was that a contingency should have been in place based on last years bad experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellion Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I agree. What I was saying was that a contingency should have been in place based on last years bad experience. Yeah, definitely. But like I said earlier, unless we revert to playing the 4th round before Christmas, this will be an issue every year as long as we have a break in January (until there's an OF replay, obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sub goalie Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Personally I think that's it's just bad planning by the SFA. The rules regarding domestic matches being televised during UEFA competitions are clear as day, I and many more may disagree with the ruling but it stands. Now, regardless whether a replay is the Edinburgh Derby, Old Firm or whatever other Scottish Cup replay then the SFA have an obligation to promote A. The tournament and B. The clubs involved. Now if a broadcaster, BBC or Sky in the Scottish Cups case choose not to take up the option, then what can you do. However, for the replay to have absolutely zero chance of even having the option to be shown is just wrong IMO. The rounds for the Scottish Cup need to be planned far better and give the Scottish game as much exposure as possible, that starts with the potential replays coinciding with the Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Oh yes, the block on domestic games being televised when UEFA's precious tournaments are on is ridiculous. And I'm as disappointed as most people that the game won't be televised because of it. But I don't think rearranging games left, right and centre to fit one game in around the block would be equally ridiculous in my opinion. Totally agree, and I think the only thing they could do if they could get away with it, is to bring the kick off forward to something like 6:45pm, although it would be a nightmare for folk getting to the game for the time during a rush hour etc. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Is it the same rule with the Europa League? Not unheard of to delay a fixture till a Thursday night surely. If you move it to a Thursday, you then have the problem that the following weekend games have to be moved to the Sunday, and with hospitality already sold for the Saturday games and travel arrangements made etc, it's not possible at such short notice and would be extremely unfair to fans. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 What gets my goat nowadays, is it is live TV for EFF all. Put a highlights package on a t half ten or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Mitty Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Is there not a loophole where the game could be streamed online rather than on TV? I'm sure I read somewhere that the UEFA blanket ban only prevented games that clashed being shown on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anders Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 So it's not on then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restonbabe Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 What about a beam back to tynecastle for the fans that kannae get a ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Should be on Hibs TV for those who have Sportsmania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenTheHeartsWentUp Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Should be on Hibs TV for those who have Sportsmania. IIRC Hibs TV aren't even allowed to show it, such is the strictness of UEFA's blackout. Real pisser. Maybe somebody could be very kind and Periscope it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Should be on Hibs TV for those who have Sportsmania. Hibs have already said that it won't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1975 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Last year they thought they were able to broadcast online outside UK. Both hibs and hearts advertised it iirc. They then found out they couldn't and had to do a quick u turn. Unless the ko time or day is changed it won't be available in any form, other than radio, live. Not sure why folk are thinking otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenderJaguar7 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Unbelievable you can watch an u-17 game streamed live from Cambodia but not a Hearts Hibs Scottish Cup replay. Embarrassing and the fans being punished once again. Fans get treated like absolute mugs in this backwater country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Unbelievable you can watch an u-17 game streamed live from Cambodia but not a Hearts Hibs Scottish Cup replay. Embarrassing and the fans being punished once again. Fans get treated like absolute mugs in this backwater country. I live in North Carolina and get high school diving... And half of them can barely swim never mind dive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Is this thread still going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Is this thread still going? Why should it not be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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