kila Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I think if Walker had dived, there's a high chance the BBC would've shown it on Sportscene just there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm guessing had he dived, it would have been highlighted on sportscene. It wasn't so hopefully we can move on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 It's sad that diving is an issue in football. Walker has already been caught doing it. He has to stop it. And what are you going to do about it big man? He looked from my view he caught his studs. I didn't see any claim for a pen from him either. He was, however, absolutely useless yesterday and looked totally disinterested and had no energy or drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 And what are you going to do about it big man? . Done my bit already by highlighting it. We have a great club with many traditions to be proud of..... Diving is not something we want to be associated with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Done my bit already by highlighting it. We have a great club with many traditions to be proud of..... Diving is not something we want to be associated with. What about the other forms of cheating I mentioned earlier? Or is certain types of cheating acceptable.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Diving is not something we want to be associated with. Neither is falsely accusing our own players of diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Walker is the type of player that gets targeted by opponents but sees little protection from referees. Instead it's the exact opposite, where referees prefer to focus on what he does rather than the treatment he receives. Personally I'd rather see Walker take whatever action needed to avoid some of the "tackles" that he has to face rather than be out for months with a broken leg and if that is seen as a "dive" then there is something far wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Walker is the type of player that gets targeted by opponents but sees little protection from referees. Instead it's the exact opposite, where referees prefer to focus on what he does rather than the treatment he receives. Personally I'd rather see Walker take whatever action needed to avoid some of the "tackles" that he has to face rather than be out for months with a broken leg and if that is seen as a "dive" then there is something far wrong. Smacks of Miko a decade after he was given the same treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Forgetting the dive I still say he's a lazy fecker on the pitch!!! 3 or 4 decent minutes in 90 aint enough. Pity. Agree totally. One of those players who can't seem to be arsed most of the time. Good player when he puts his mind to it but he doesn't do it often enough for me. He looks knackered half the time and on Saturday he struggled to get the ball under control any time he had it. Seemd to stick under his feet most of the time and he looked off balance. The problem is we don't have any alternatives at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 What is anti Hearts about wanting a player to stop cheating? Its all about standards. We could lose a match as a result of Walker diving. Calling this out before it becomes more of issue is the right thing to do for the team and the club. Ignoring this anti football. he has dived once, that's right once. You obviously have an agenda against him chich is a bit sad for a Heart supporter. I agree with others that he probably needs rested as he is just not on his game at the moment but that is another story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He needs to stop the play acting and always looking for freekick/pen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Unfortunate to see some of 'our own' buying in to this 'reputation' which has been conjured up by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 he has dived once, that's right once. You obviously have an agenda against him chich is a bit sad for a Heart supporter. I agree with others that he probably needs rested as he is just not on his game at the moment but that is another story He has only been banned once this season, that is not the same thing as only diving once. You are right, I do have an agenda. I dont want to see Hearts players diving. Not only is it just wrong it can have a negative impact on the team. He has already been suspended for doing this season and he should have learned his lesson. It's just wrong, but its fair to give him some slack if its only happened once... but as on Saturday he does it again...its time to call him out. Walker is an important player for the club, he could easily face another suspension due to diving... we need him and the squad is not as strong if he isn't part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastle Valhalla Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He slipped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Anarchy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Unfortunate to see some of 'our own' buying in to this 'reputation' which has been conjured up by the media. Not for the first time either. Mmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Walker is the type of player that gets targeted by opponents but sees little protection from referees. Instead it's the exact opposite, where referees prefer to focus on what he does rather than the treatment he receives. Personally I'd rather see Walker take whatever action needed to avoid some of the "tackles" that he has to face rather than be out for months with a broken leg and if that is seen as a "dive" then there is something far wrong. Players are of course entitled to and its accepted under the laws of the game for players to take action to avoid a dangerous tackle. That is not classed as diving. Are you seriously arguing that the "challenge" he faced on Saturday or against Celtic were reckless challenges that could have injured him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 His dive against Celtic was a belter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Players are of course entitled to and its accepted under the laws of the game for players to take action to avoid a dangerous tackle. That is not classed as diving. Are you seriously arguing that the "challenge" he faced on Saturday or against Celtic were reckless challenges that could have injured him? Don't think that is what I said. Walker is targeted, there is no doubt about that. The media, with the help of Scott Brown, have (wrongly) labelled him a diver, which too many people, including referees, are quick to latch onto. It's very sad that even some of our own supporters are only too happy to perpetuate this myth, rather than give backing to arguably one of our best players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Done my bit already by highlighting it. We have a great club with many traditions to be proud of..... Diving is not something we want to be associated with. No doubt you'll dine out on it for years! "Done my bit" what an arrogant load of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 No doubt you'll dine out on it for years! "Done my bit" what an arrogant load of shite. The medal must be in the post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 People are aware you can dive without appealing to the ref? Always found it bizzare when this is used as a defence against a dive. Whether or not Walker dived is up for debate, but please stop spouting this shite about not appealing. It's irrelevant. It's a very fair point. However, I wouldn't say it is totally irrelevant. Anyone looking at an incident and trying to determine if a player dived can only go on what they see. The reaction afterwards forms part of the evidence in that context. Not appealing certainly doesn't mean the player didn't dive. However, nothing you see in that circumstance offers concrete proof. The only person who truly knows if they deliberately went to ground with the intention of deceiving the ref is the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He doesn't cheat though. He was booked last week, and it was rescinded. And on the subject of not wanting a player to cheat: Do you not want a defender to deliberately foul a player to stop a goal? Do you not want a player to steal a yard or two when given a freekick? Do you not want a player to time waste if we are winning with a few minutes to go? Do you not want a player to claim a throw that is not ours? Do you not want a player to deny a penalty decision for the opposition, even if it is a penalty? Do you not want a player to claim and celebrate a goal if he knows it is offside or not over the line? Personally, I want all of that. What about the other forms of cheating I mentioned earlier? Or is certain types of cheating acceptable.? I would be interested to hear the answer to this. In terms of diving, in modern football pretty much every attacking player goes down relatively easily and looks to gain an advantage. This is often applauded by pundits, referring to the attacking player as "clever" as they took advantage of a leg that was there to fall over. However, this is not consistent for all players and some, like Jamie, are then extremely unfairly labelled as cheaters and divers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He didnt dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 No doubt you'll dine out on it for years! "Done my bit" what an arrogant load of shite. Its the type of response your original comment deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Jamie Walker is one of our best players and he is no different to any other modern forward player. He would be putting himself at a disadvantage if he did not play the way his peers do. Hearts fans slagging him off though, utterly abysmal patter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Jamie Walker is one of our best players and he is no different to any other modern forward player. He would be putting himself at a disadvantage if he did not play the way his peers do. Hearts fans slagging him off though, utterly abysmal patter. Not anywhere near abysmal as yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I have been to games this season where opposition players have tried to con refs 4 or 5 times in the one game. Most refs have done well and not fallen for their diving. None of those players are even noteworthy enough for Sportscene to highlight. After the Celtic dive by Walker it seems it is fair game for pundits and fans alike to talk shite about a good young Scottish player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Not anywhere near abysmal as yours. I take that as a compliment from you in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Not anywhere near abysmal as yours. From a 'Hearts fan' who's patter is so tragic and so anti Hearts he has to post photos of match tickets to prove himself a Hearts fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Anarchy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 From a 'Hearts fan' who's patter is so tragic and so anti Hearts he has to post photos of match tickets to prove himself a Hearts fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 From a 'Hearts fan' who's patter is so tragic and so anti Hearts he has to post photos of match tickets to prove himself a Hearts fan. He's got bloody loads of loyalty points though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I would be interested to hear the answer to this. In terms of diving, in modern football pretty much every attacking player goes down relatively easily and looks to gain an advantage. This is often applauded by pundits, referring to the attacking player as "clever" as they took advantage of a leg that was there to fall over. However, this is not consistent for all players and some, like Jamie, are then extremely unfairly labelled as cheaters and divers. And with regards to the foul question, it is often praised or simply deemed as taking one for the team, if the player is yellow carded ;which they aren't always). The words 'profession foul' are even used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 What about defenders who do a pressley as soon as they are running towards their own goal and feel a player breathe down their necks and go down like a sack of spuds? Is that cheating? Think we need to be careful. Also pretty sure if he'd won a free kick which we scored from it wouldn't matter as much to some. I'd settle for the occasional tumble if he would up his effort on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 From a 'Hearts fan' who's patter is so tragic and so anti Hearts he has to post photos of match tickets to prove himself a Hearts fan. Not half as tragic as you sitting in the house whilst I'm actually there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He has only been banned once this season, that is not the same thing as only diving once. You are right, I do have an agenda. I dont want to see Hearts players diving. Not only is it just wrong it can have a negative impact on the team. He has already been suspended for doing this season and he should have learned his lesson. It's just wrong, but its fair to give him some slack if its only happened once... but as on Saturday he does it again...its time to call him out. Walker is an important player for the club, he could easily face another suspension due to diving... we need him and the squad is not as strong if he isn't part of it. as others have pointed out, he did not dive on Saturday but you have your agenda so will not let facts get in the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He's got bloody loads of loyalty points though... Yup, more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yup, more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Like I said, abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Like I said, abysmal. Like I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Not half as tragic as you sitting in the house whilst I'm actually there. I am sitting in my house just now and glad you got to Dens early = PHM? Seriously though your presumption that you are the only Hearts fan that travels home and away is a bit bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avhudtheteeshirt Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Tam Cowan at the weekend gave a good insite into diving, with his comments about Robert Snodgrass's dive for Hull City. While he was quick to apologise after being caught on camera for cheating, Tam remarked that it would have been more acceptable if he had said to the ref that it was not a penalty at the time! To take it further Tam said that on the other foot if he does the same for Scotland in their next game, will those who are up in arms about diving will accept it as it may make us progress in our group!!!! In other words if you get it take it, if you don't just moan about it and hope you get the next one??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I am sitting in my house just now and glad you got to Dens early = PHM? Seriously though your presumption that you are the only Hearts fan that travels home and away is a bit bizarre. Not once have I said, or implied, that I am the only Hearts fan who travels home and away. Regarding your comment about me posting a pic of tickets for a game, somebody asked me to prove I was going by uploading a pic, I duly did and consequently the boy felt a bit daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Our 'supporters' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 From where i was stood it looked a dive. Not a very good one i might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 as others have pointed out, he did not dive on Saturday but you have your agenda so will not let facts get in the way And others have said he did... what's your Agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I would be interested to hear the answer to this. In terms of diving, in modern football pretty much every attacking player goes down relatively easily and looks to gain an advantage. This is often applauded by pundits, referring to the attacking player as "clever" as they took advantage of a leg that was there to fall over. However, this is not consistent for all players and some, like Jamie, are then extremely unfairly labelled as cheaters and divers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 What about defenders who do a pressley as soon as they are running towards their own goal and feel a player breathe down their necks and go down like a sack of spuds? Is that cheating? Think we need to be careful. Also pretty sure if he'd won a free kick which we scored from it wouldn't matter as much to some. I'd settle for the occasional tumble if he would up his effort on the pitch. Pressley was good at that. Stopped a good few attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 And others have said he did... what's your Agenda? are you going to answer the question about is certain types of cheating ok, that has been asked to you and highlighted by others or are you going to avoid it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 are you going to answer the question about is certain types of cheating ok, that has been asked to you and highlighted by others or are you going to avoid it? I missed that.... I don't think any forms of cheating are ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I missed that.... I don't think any forms of cheating are ok.Any? Including the examples I gave, which was requoted above? I will add to it. What about stealing a yard or two for a throw or free kick? Or a keeper pretending to be treated so a teammate who did get treatment does not need to go off? Or in the case of Alexander last season, pretend to be injured so the game can't restart and we have more time to treat the injured player (Paterson, I think)? You must not enjoy football if that is the case, as the cheating and attempted cheating in games must go into double figures all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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