coconut doug Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: So you think the difference in drug deaths is down to the way the stats are compiled.Really? There is a small effect but i listed 2 others which you chose to ignore. You are telling us that the number of drug related deaths is related to police numbers. The statistics show no link. You are claiming our very high rates are due to the SNP's incompetence but are unable to explain why so far because your police numbers rhetoric is not substantiated by the evidence. Don't you think that if the answers were as simple as you seem to think they are the govt would have responded accordingly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, coconut doug said: There is a small effect but i listed 2 others which you chose to ignore. You are telling us that the number of drug related deaths is related to police numbers. The statistics show no link. You are claiming our very high rates are due to the SNP's incompetence but are unable to explain why so far because your police numbers rhetoric is not substantiated by the evidence. Don't you think that if the answers were as simple as you seem to think they are the govt would have responded accordingly? No. I am staying that the decision to increase police numbers south of the border will deliver a financial boost to Holyrood. virtually every thing you say has not been said by me on this thread or debate. It's just you putting things together to suit your prejudices and preconceptions. Nonsense on stilts as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, jambos are go! said: No. I am staying that the decision to increase police numbers south of the border will deliver a financial boost to Holyrood. virtually every thing you say has not been said by me on this thread or debate. It's just you putting things together to suit your prejudices and preconceptions. Nonsense on stilts as they say. You did state that the SNP were neglecting the drugs issue. You words below. " this should provide enough funding to recruit more that 2000 extra police officers in Scotland to tackle the Drugs crisis so neglected by the SNP. And the SNP played no part in getting that funding. Better together indeed." In the same quote you quite clearly claim that 2,000 extra police officers are going to tackle the drugs crisis and in so doing you assume a link between police numbers and the drugs crisis when the evidence suggests no such link exists. You also claim in the same quote that the SNP played no part in getting the funding. I didn't point out the silliness of that comment because others had done so but if you understood the nature of the Barnett Formula you would know that no Scottish government could play a part, as a proportion of what is spent, necessarily comes to Scotland so there is no need for any Scottish government to play a part. What is more salient than your Better Together slogan is the notion that had we been an independent country we could have diverted resource and legislation more appropriately than waiting for a Barnett knockdown from Westminster. Your notion that the Barnett formula and the money given in consequentials give us "more than our fair share" is at best a matter of opinion and one which i doubt you can adequately support. Even if you are correct in this assumption many people in Scotland do not want to be treated in this way. If you do not understand your own posts that's not very good but just to summarise 1 You have no evidence to show that the SNP have neglected the drugs crisis. 2 The money given to the Scottish government is given under Barnett and does not represent an act of altruism from this government, it is nothing but a knee jerk response to bad publicity and rising knife crime in England. 3 There is no link between the number of police officers and the scale of the drugs problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Weve had almost 11 years of Tory imposed austerity so any”additional” funding is really what we are owed anyway. Its our money! Scotlands oil has been propping up the UK economy & Sterling for decades. Time we got paid back! Are folk seriously suggesting the SNP are to blame for the so called “drugs epidemic”? If you take a drug and get knocked down, fall out the window or drown its classed as a “drugs death” in Scotland (even though it wasnt the actual drugs that killed you) It would not be counted that way in rUK but hey, any chance to piss on Scotland by the tory supporting MSM eh! Are folk seriously suggesting Boris and his extreme right wing cabinet will be a good thing for Scotland??? Jeezo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: Weve had almost 11 years of Tory imposed austerity so any”additional” funding is really what we are owed anyway. Its our money! Scotlands oil has been propping up the UK economy & Sterling for decades. Time we got paid back! Are folk seriously suggesting the SNP are to blame for the so called “drugs epidemic”? If you take a drug and get knocked down, fall out the window or drown its classed as a “drugs death” in Scotland (even though it wasnt the actual drugs that killed you) It would not be counted that way in rUK but hey, any chance to piss on Scotland by the tory supporting MSM eh! Are folk seriously suggesting Boris and his extreme right wing cabinet will be a good thing for Scotland??? Jeezo! It's just loyalists trying to distract people. It's gonnae be fun watching their tears and snorters, come day of the Scots. Edited July 29, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 16 hours ago, jambos are go! said: Dear oh dear. I would have a more informed debate with a Haggis. You have been shown up talking rubbish about police numbers so revert to anti-Scottish garbage as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 9 hours ago, coconut doug said: You did state that the SNP were neglecting the drugs issue. You words below. " this should provide enough funding to recruit more that 2000 extra police officers in Scotland to tackle the Drugs crisis so neglected by the SNP. And the SNP played no part in getting that funding. Better together indeed." In the same quote you quite clearly claim that 2,000 extra police officers are going to tackle the drugs crisis and in so doing you assume a link between police numbers and the drugs crisis when the evidence suggests no such link exists. You also claim in the same quote that the SNP played no part in getting the funding. I didn't point out the silliness of that comment because others had done so but if you understood the nature of the Barnett Formula you would know that no Scottish government could play a part, as a proportion of what is spent, necessarily comes to Scotland so there is no need for any Scottish government to play a part. What is more salient than your Better Together slogan is the notion that had we been an independent country we could have diverted resource and legislation more appropriately than waiting for a Barnett knockdown from Westminster. Your notion that the Barnett formula and the money given in consequentials give us "more than our fair share" is at best a matter of opinion and one which i doubt you can adequately support. Even if you are correct in this assumption many people in Scotland do not want to be treated in this way. If you do not understand your own posts that's not very good but just to summarise 1 You have no evidence to show that the SNP have neglected the drugs crisis. 2 The money given to the Scottish government is given under Barnett and does not represent an act of altruism from this government, it is nothing but a knee jerk response to bad publicity and rising knife crime in England. 3 There is no link between the number of police officers and the scale of the drugs problem. Great post but you will never get a coherent reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 10 hours ago, coconut doug said: You did state that the SNP were neglecting the drugs issue. You words below. " this should provide enough funding to recruit more that 2000 extra police officers in Scotland to tackle the Drugs crisis so neglected by the SNP. And the SNP played no part in getting that funding. Better together indeed." In the same quote you quite clearly claim that 2,000 extra police officers are going to tackle the drugs crisis and in so doing you assume a link between police numbers and the drugs crisis when the evidence suggests no such link exists. You also claim in the same quote that the SNP played no part in getting the funding. I didn't point out the silliness of that comment because others had done so but if you understood the nature of the Barnett Formula you would know that no Scottish government could play a part, as a proportion of what is spent, necessarily comes to Scotland so there is no need for any Scottish government to play a part. What is more salient than your Better Together slogan is the notion that had we been an independent country we could have diverted resource and legislation more appropriately than waiting for a Barnett knockdown from Westminster. Your notion that the Barnett formula and the money given in consequentials give us "more than our fair share" is at best a matter of opinion and one which i doubt you can adequately support. Even if you are correct in this assumption many people in Scotland do not want to be treated in this way. If you do not understand your own posts that's not very good but just to summarise 1 You have no evidence to show that the SNP have neglected the drugs crisis. 2 The money given to the Scottish government is given under Barnett and does not represent an act of altruism from this government, it is nothing but a knee jerk response to bad publicity and rising knife crime in England. 3 There is no link between the number of police officers and the scale of the drugs problem. The increasing drug emergency is not evidence that Holyrood is not doing enough. REALLY? So extra money is irrelevant but 10 years of austerity was. REALLY. You think that increasing police resources is no way to tackle the drugs emergency, REALLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jambos are go! said: The increasing drug emergency is not evidence that Holyrood is not doing enough. REALLY? So extra money is irrelevant but 10 years of austerity was. REALLY. You think that increasing police resources is no way to tackle the drugs emergency, REALLY. Was it increased police number that stopped Glasgow being the "Murder capital of Europe" way back when? Or was it a joined up approach using several agencies and a complete change in direction? Police, courts and prison is not the answer, it never was. Edited July 29, 2019 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Has anyone managed to blame Westminster for the taxpayer paying Salmonds legal bills yet? Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) On 29/07/2019 at 10:08, jambos are go! said: The increasing drug emergency is not evidence that Holyrood is not doing enough. REALLY? So extra money is irrelevant but 10 years of austerity was. REALLY. You think that increasing police resources is no way to tackle the drugs emergency, REALLY. I’d you think throwing more police at the drug problem fixes your thinking is about as old as the drug laws themselves. Read a book called chasing the scream. Edited August 14, 2019 by jack D and coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Has anyone managed to blame Westminster for the taxpayer paying Salmonds legal bills yet? Asking for a friend. What’s that got to do with the SNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Has anyone managed to blame Westminster for the taxpayer paying Salmonds legal bills yet? Asking for a friend. Nope, any nobody could. Scared of "SNP acting slow on beast Salmond" headlines, the party moved far too fast to eject him, breaching all kinds of rules in the process. It was a ludicrous knee-jerk response to something that should have been handled correctly within the internal investigation rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Cygnet said: What’s that got to do with the SNP? A former SNP leader and First Minister having his legal bills paid by the taxpayer because of a botched investigation? Aye, probably nothing. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Cade said: Nope, any nobody could. Scared of "SNP acting slow on beast Salmond" headlines, the party moved far too fast to eject him, breaching all kinds of rules in the process. It was a ludicrous knee-jerk response to something that should have been handled correctly within the internal investigation rules. Possibly, although it could have been because they knew he was guilty, they knew he would turn it into a circus because he was always bigger than the cause, because they didn't want Nicola named the sex offenders apprentice, or, they're just a bunch of incompetent half wits. More likely a combination of all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil Dunphy said: A former SNP leader and First Minister having his legal bills paid by the taxpayer because of a botched investigation? Aye, probably nothing. 🙄 The investigation was absolutely nothing to do with the SNP bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 50 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: Possibly, although it could have been because they knew he was guilty, they knew he would turn it into a circus because he was always bigger than the cause, because they didn't want Nicola named the sex offenders apprentice, or, they're just a bunch of incompetent half wits. More likely a combination of all this. Right, he's guilty. Ok everyone, Millwall says he guilty, nevermind the trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Cygnet said: The investigation was absolutely nothing to do with the SNP bud. I was under the impression the investigation was handled by the civil service. Which reports to Westminster. Is that not correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: Right, he's guilty. Ok everyone, Millwall says he guilty, nevermind the trial. once again, you just made that up. Boring mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just can't help themselves can they, i mean they gotta be the party of pure lies and dishonesty. Bunch of snake oils men and women. Tory minister caught 'red-handed' lying in attack on SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 On 14/08/2019 at 13:40, Justin Z said: I was under the impression the investigation was handled by the civil service. Which reports to Westminster. Is that not correct? Does anybody have info on this? I'm still sitting here wondering. @Phil Dunphy, you brought it up--how were the Scottish Government and the SNP involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) Anything in the main TV news today about drug deaths rising significantly (record numbers) in England & Wales? Naw? Funny that eh! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49357077 Edited August 15, 2019 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Zlatanable said: So poor people dying, is open season for you to make political gain. Not a second thought on show, just Scottish independence. He has point, tho. Does he not? British knife crime rises, was the headlines, when in fact, knife crime in Scotland was dropping fast. Then came the Scottish drug hysteria on the news. So, who exactly is making political gain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Zlatanable said: So poor people dying, is open season for you to make political gain. Not a second thought on show, just Scottish independence. My point is not about “poor people dying”. My point is that the union supporting MSM had the SNP Baaaad story regarding this same topic promoted front & centre, then it was discussed on BBC radio phone in shows and TV political shows etc. whereas the England & Wales version gets buried. Its there but you need to dig for it. Hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: My point is not about “poor people dying”. My point is that the union supporting MSM had the SNP Baaaad story regarding this same topic promoted front & centre, then it was discussed on BBC radio phone in shows and TV political shows etc. whereas the England & Wales version gets buried. Its there but you need to dig for it. Hypocrites. It’s very deliberate. I had retards/rangers/mini Huns posting on my social media about it wanting the SNP hung for it and would you believe it it’s a U.K. national issue. Whodda thunk it🤷🏽♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: It’s very deliberate. I had retards/rangers/mini Huns posting on my social media about it wanting the SNP hung for it and would you believe it it’s a U.K. national issue. Whodda thunk it🤷🏽♂️ Shhhhh. Lift that rug whilst it gets a sweep.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) The increase in E&W was 16% compared to 27% for Scotland . So the disparity is getting worse and the SNPs shame likewise. Not fit for Office IMO. Edited August 16, 2019 by jambos are go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: The increase in E&W was 16% compared to 27% for Scotland . So the disparity is getting worse and the SNPs shame likewise. Not fit for Office IMO. Apples for Apples mate. Those figures are not. Scotland counts ANY death as a drugs death if the deceased shows any signs of having illegal drugs in their system. So if you take a spliff & get run down crossing the road its a drugs death in Scotland. But please, dont let that spoil your bashing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Apples for Apples mate. Those figures are not. Scotland counts ANY death as a drugs death if the deceased shows any signs of having illegal drugs in their system. So if you take a spliff & get run down crossing the road its a drugs death in Scotland. But please, dont let that spoil your bashing! Regardless of the method used the percentage increases are still valid for compar ing how effectively the issue is being tackled surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Regardless of the method used the percentage increases are still valid for compar ing how effectively the issue is being tackled surely. Righto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 20 hours ago, Justin Z said: Does anybody have info on this? I'm still sitting here wondering. @Phil Dunphy, you brought it up--how were the Scottish Government and the SNP involved? Just reading the last few pages of this thread..and waiting for Phil's reply , but yes - I think you're correct. The botched investigation costing taxpayers millions, is a result of civil service bungling, not the Scottish Government. Others may know different. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: The hard yard: Brian Wilson says ministers must answer for Ferguson's ferries fiasco… https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/the-hard-yard-brian-wilson-says-ministers-must-answer-for-fergusons-ferries-fiasco/?utm_source=twitter via @Sunday_Post Good read. Brian Wilson and the Sunday post what a combination for a "Good read" The figures are wrong and his interpretation of events considerably suspect. He says the Sick Kids has been overspent by at least £150million but i doubt he really believes that. Labour party people are not that stupid, are they? It's just a hate piece for the Sunday Post demographic. Makes the point about Salmond's legal costs and the £0.5million paid out to him for his "doomed defence" and blames those at St Andrews house. Wasn't the payment made for his defence costs because those in charge of investigating his behaviour didn't follow their own procedures and wasn't it the UK civil service and their appointees who were responsible for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 16/08/2019 at 15:43, Pans Jambo said: Apples for Apples mate. Those figures are not. Scotland counts ANY death as a drugs death if the deceased shows any signs of having illegal drugs in their system. So if you take a spliff & get run down crossing the road its a drugs death in Scotland. But please, dont let that spoil your bashing! Please point us in the direction of something official that will confirm this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Please point us in the direction of something official that will confirm this. Try Google. How are drug deaths counted in Scotland. Takes you to an NHS page that has links to many meaty documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: Try Google. How are drug deaths counted in Scotland. Takes you to an NHS page that has links to many meaty documents. In other words you can't supply proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: In other words you can't supply proof. You cant use Google even when you are told what to type & where to look??? OK then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: On Twitter, Scottish Nationalists seem more than usual, stroppy tonight. I am guessing there is bad news in the pipeline. Twitter is an appaling website. Especially for politics. The place is full of fruitcakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Yes, its often terrible. But Scottish Nationalists are well grumpy tonight. They're always grumpy about something. Wonder what it is this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: They're always grumpy about something. Wonder what it is this time. Electoral commission wanting input over second ref question thus delaying vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: You cant use Google even when you are told what to type & where to look??? OK then. Surely the person making a statement like that bears the responsibility of providing the evidence and not sending people on wild goose chases through"meaty" documents. Come on clever clogs provide a link directly to where it explains that someone who has smoked a joint then been knocked down by a vehicle and killed is treated as a drugs death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: Surely the person making a statement like that bears the responsibility of providing the evidence and not sending people on wild goose chases through"meaty" documents. Come on clever clogs provide a link directly to where it explains that someone who has smoked a joint then been knocked down by a vehicle and killed is treated as a drugs death. U bored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: U bored? Of you yes. Where's the link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: Of you yes. Where's the link? On Google, get yer Da to show ye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Pans Jambo said: On Google, get yer Da to show ye Why are you so determined to avoid liking it? Is it just a figment of your delusional mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said: They're always grumpy about something. Wonder what it is this time. I'm not grumpy. Had a lovely night with my family. Nice homemade meal with good wines. Listening to music. Hope you had a good night too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zlatanable said: maybe the crime statistics? maybe not getting yes/no but leave/remain in #indyref2, but they seem well grumpy who knows I thought there wasn't an Indyref2? Leave/Yes doesn't really matter. Edited August 20, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: cheers for the input @ri Alban Aw, ye grumpy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Zlatanable said: Not grumpy at all here. Quite open hearted and peaceful atm. Naw yer no. This is ye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: No. I am peaceful just now. Are you maybe externalising here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Not grumpy at all here. Quite open hearted and peaceful atm. What's the agenda. Do they think people who would vote yes, will somehow not vote leave. Or do they thick people are thick enough to think it's an Euref2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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