Even More SNP Nonsense

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, XB52 said:

So why did your rich, cousin ask for a baby box then?? Typical tory scrounger 

 

Probably because they have paid for it.

[Gorgiewave]

49 minutes ago, XB52 said:

So why did your rich, cousin ask for a baby box then?? Typical tory scrounger 

I've no idea. Why was she offered it?

[Ulysses]

52 minutes ago, XB52 said:

So why did your rich, cousin ask for a baby box then?? Typical tory scrounger 

 

She's not rich. 

[jack D and coke]

3 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

We have certainly had our fair share of fines, all deserved.

 

Yup banks have shafted us but they are bigger than pretty much everything on the planet and are untouchable.

 

23% of the entire world’s workforce are employed in the banking industry.  Capitalism creates jobs and always will regardless how you feel about it.

 

I’ve got quite a few socialist ideals but I just can’t see past the opportunity that capitalism brings.

That doesn’t really cut it though mate. It’s not ok to give trillions to banks who are still screwing us, paying bonuses where they’re not deserved etc yet pick on the snp for giving us some medicines. 

Prescriptions are free in Wales and NI too btw. Nobody seems to have a problem there it seems. 

[i8hibsh]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

That doesn’t really cut it though mate. It’s not ok to give trillions to banks who are still screwing us, paying bonuses where they’re not deserved etc yet pick on the snp for giving us some medicines. 

Prescriptions are free in Wales and NI too btw. Nobody seems to have a problem there it seems. 

 

Banks can screw us all they like as the good thing is they have to pay for their **** ups.  Many bankers bonuses are very much deserved though.  This is a figure out the sky but I’d say 95% of all the 1 in every 4 people in the world’s workforce who work in banking are just regular Joe Schmoes, busting their balls and taking a huge fat one up the rear everyday.  I agree (obviously ) that people at the very top should certainly not be rewarded for the bank’s **** ups but here is where it gets tricky.  Many banks are doing ok right now, some very well.  The reason is they have the top people in the top jobs – you simply can’t attract these people without the promise of ‘the bonus’. I don’t like it or particularly agree with it but I understand it.  It is just like the wankers in the top table of world football (managers, top players) etc.  Man city are never going to get Pep Guardiola on a pishy salary without lining his pocket.  This is the shite part of capitalism but a necessary evil to keep the wealth and jobs trickling down.

 

Prescriptions are free nowhere though, someone may be able to go into a pharmacy and get one without exchanging money but they are not free.  Someone somewhere is footing the bill and the SNP are certainly not giving us them though mate, they are taking the money of us and using it, they are not gifting anything.  The SNP are basically taking more of those they know will never vote for them to give the Roast Beef and all the trimmings to those that they know will vote for them.

[jack D and coke]

6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Banks can screw us all they like as the good thing is they have to pay for their **** ups.  Many bankers bonuses are very much deserved though.  This is a figure out the sky but I’d say 95% of all the 1 in every 4 people in the world’s workforce who work in banking are just regular Joe Schmoes, busting their balls and taking a huge fat one up the rear everyday.  I agree (obviously ) that people at the very top should certainly not be rewarded for the bank’s **** ups but here is where it gets tricky.  Many banks are doing ok right now, some very well.  The reason is they have the top people in the top jobs – you simply can’t attract these people without the promise of ‘the bonus’. I don’t like it or particularly agree with it but I understand it.  It is just like the wankers in the top table of world football (managers, top players) etc.  Man city are never going to get Pep Guardiola on a pishy salary without lining his pocket.  This is the shite part of capitalism but a necessary evil to keep the wealth and jobs trickling down.

 

Prescriptions are free nowhere though, someone may be able to go into a pharmacy and get one without exchanging money but they are not free.  Someone somewhere is footing the bill and the SNP are certainly not giving us them though mate, they are taking the money of us and using it, they are not gifting anything.  The SNP are basically taking more of those they know will never vote for them to give the Roast Beef and all the trimmings to those that they know will vote for them.

I’m well aware that it’s not “free” but I’d rather my tax money went to stuff like that than bail banks out. They should’ve been allowed to fail and shut down. RBS for instance should’ve been closed with the stuff they got up to. Just fined again for admitting they were selling absolute junk to the US property market costing people thousands. 

I don’t agree that they need to attract the top people with stupid salaries either this isn’t comparable with Pep Guardiola. People like Fred Goodwin weren’t geniuses. Nobody in charge of a bank is imo. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

5 hours ago, XB52 said:

So why did your rich, cousin ask for a baby box then?? Typical tory scrounger 

 

I thought all newborns were given one free of charge?

[XB52]

12 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

I thought all newborns were given one free of charge?

They are offered to all but you don't need to take one if you are so concerned about the cost to the government. Alternatively you can take one then come on here and moan about them

[Yoda]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

I’m well aware that it’s not “free” but I’d rather my tax money went to stuff like that than bail banks out. They should’ve been allowed to fail and shut down. RBS for instance should’ve been closed with the stuff they got up to. Just fined again for admitting they were selling absolute junk to the US property market costing people thousands. 

I don’t agree that they need to attract the top people with stupid salaries either this isn’t comparable with Pep Guardiola. People like Fred Goodwin weren’t geniuses. Nobody in charge of a bank is imo. 

If the banks (RBS & Lloyds) had been allowed to fail the whole banking system in the UK would have collapsed.  Liquidity would have dried up and that would have meant no cash in ATMs, savings (in RBS & Lloyds) lost, businesses not being able to pay wages, shops ceasing to trade.  We'd quickly see a breakdown in society with wide spread disorder and looting.  It was a no-brainer to step in and save the banks in order to save the system.

 

The fine RBS just got in the USA relates to the financial crash in 2008, its not anything new.  Its just taken the US Gov 10 years to get round to fining them.  

[Don Dan]

We want to welcome every baby born in Scotland by giving them their own Baby Box.

To sign up for your Baby Box, please speak to your midwife. 

For all enquiries about the delivery of your box please phone 0800 030 8003 or email [email protected] quoting the registration number from the card given to you when you registered for your Baby Box.

The Baby Box is a welcome gift for every baby born and living in Scotland. It's packed full of all the essential items your baby will need to give them the best possible start in life. But that’s not where the help ends. There’s support available throughout your child’s early life and beyond. 

Not only is the box full of baby essentials from birth to 6 months, it’s also a safe and comfortable place for your wee one to sleep. You can use it to keep all your baby items in before they're born and as a memory box or a place to store toys once they're too big to sleep in it. 

It's been designed so that you can pop your baby’s name and birth details on the lid – and if you have a toddler or older child, they can even colour it in – a lovely way to make them feel part of things when the new baby comes along.

[i8hibsh]

54 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

We want to welcome every baby born in Scotland by giving them their own Baby Box.

To sign up for your Baby Box, please speak to your midwife. 

For all enquiries about the delivery of your box please phone 0800 030 8003 or email [email protected] quoting the registration number from the card given to you when you registered for your Baby Box.

The Baby Box is a welcome gift for every baby born and living in Scotland. It's packed full of all the essential items your baby will need to give them the best possible start in life. But that’s not where the help ends. There’s support available throughout your child’s early life and beyond. 

Not only is the box full of baby essentials from birth to 6 months, it’s also a safe and comfortable place for your wee one to sleep. You can use it to keep all your baby items in before they're born and as a memory box or a place to store toys once they're too big to sleep in it. 

It's been designed so that you can pop your baby’s name and birth details on the lid – and if you have a toddler or older child, they can even colour it in – a lovely way to make them feel part of things when the new baby comes along.

 

They make it sound like it is for a pet. A  "wee" pet of course.

Edited August 20, 2018 by i8hibsh

[Brighton Jambo]

51 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

We want to welcome every baby born in Scotland by giving them their own Baby Box.

To sign up for your Baby Box, please speak to your midwife. 

For all enquiries about the delivery of your box please phone 0800 030 8003 or email [email protected] quoting the registration number from the card given to you when you registered for your Baby Box.

The Baby Box is a welcome gift for every baby born and living in Scotland. It's packed full of all the essential items your baby will need to give them the best possible start in life. But that’s not where the help ends. There’s support available throughout your child’s early life and beyond. 

Not only is the box full of baby essentials from birth to 6 months, it’s also a safe and comfortable place for your wee one to sleep. You can use it to keep all your baby items in before they're born and as a memory box or a place to store toys once they're too big to sleep in it. 

It's been designed so that you can pop your baby’s name and birth details on the lid – and if you have a toddler or older child, they can even colour it in – a lovely way to make them feel part of things when the new baby comes along.

For me the box is a decent offering, you have to be really anti SNP to not think it overall is more positive than negative.

 

But for me it sums up the SNP in that it is a crowd pleaser but doesn’t address the underlying problems.  This Scottish government is missing almost every  NHS target set.  So for me stop messing around with free boxes and prescriptions and use that money to tackle the real issues. 

 

Its like the council tax freeze, a crowd pleaser but the amount of money this is depriving councils is mind boggling.  Talk to anyone who works in a council and they will tell you they can’t offer anything like the services they need to.  But as always the SNP don’t want to upset the masses.  

 

And as for that list above about all the stuff that’s free most is nice to have stuff I wish the SNP would forget and focus on NHS, education levels in schools, policing etc

[redjambo]

7 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

We have certainly had our fair share of fines, all deserved.

 

Yup banks have shafted us but they are bigger than pretty much everything on the planet and are untouchable.

 

23% of the entire world’s workforce are employed in the banking industry.  Capitalism creates jobs and always will regardless how you feel about it.

 

I’ve got quite a few socialist ideals but I just can’t see past the opportunity that capitalism brings.

 

No way. Source please. Even in the UK, which has an economy with a strong financial services element, our levels of employment in financial services (let alone the smaller banking sector) are far less than that:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/298370/uk-financial-sector-total-financial-services-employment/

 

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

No way. Source please. Even in the UK, which has an economy with a strong financial services element, our levels of employment in financial services (let alone the smaller banking sector) are far less than that:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/298370/uk-financial-sector-total-financial-services-employment/

 

 

Have you ever heard of a place called Asia?

[redjambo]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

Have you ever heard of a place called Asia?

 

Yes, of course I have, but there is no way the banking sector employs 23% of the world's workforce.

 

Are you having trouble coming up with a source for that "statistic"?

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, of course I have, but there is no way the banking sector employs 23% of the world's workforce.

 

Are you having trouble coming up with a source for that "statistic"?

 

It is true.  

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

It is true.  

 

That is not a source and no, it is patently untrue. Don't worry, I have time to wait for you to come up with a source. You can't just have made it up, surely (sorry for calling you Shirley), you must have taken it from somewhere.

[i8hibsh]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

That is not a source and no, it is patently untrue. Don't worry, I have time to wait for you to come up with a source. You can't just have made it up, surely (sorry for calling you Shirley), you must have taken it from somewhere.

 

Banking is a very broad industry. It is not actually just the people working in a bank branch. 

[SwindonJambo]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Banking is a very broad industry. It is not actually just the people working in a bank branch. 

 

I think most people know that. But 23% seems an absolutely ridiculously high figure to me. Like others, I would like to see a reliable source. 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Banking is a very broad industry. It is not actually just the people working in a bank branch. 

 

I appreciate that, i8hibsh. And I think it's only right that we expand the sector in question, the banking industry, out to cover the financial services industry in general. But, even then, that figure is way too high in my opinion. I'm having a scout around to find some global industry sector employment stats but to no avail yet. If you can come up with the source of the statistic in your original post then all the better - we can work back from that to see where they got their info.

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I appreciate that, i8hibsh. And I think it's only right that we expand the sector in question, the banking industry, out to cover the financial services industry in general. But, even then, that figure is way too high in my opinion. I'm having a scout around to find some global industry sector employment stats but to no avail yet. If you can come up with the source of the statistic in your original post then all the better - we can work back from that to see where they got their info.

 

I'm having a wee rake just now too tbh. On my (shite) phone and busy with other stuff so it is just a wee one. Not seeing much to prove or disprove. It was on Newsnight or sonething a while back.  I have also read it on a conpliance thing at work.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

I'm having a wee rake just now too tbh. On my (shite) phone and busy with other stuff so it is just a wee one. Not seeing much to prove or disprove. It was on Newsnight or sonething a while back.  I have also read it on a conpliance thing at work.

 

No problem. The best I can come up with so far only breaks down global employment into Agriculture, Industry and Services, which isn't much use. It comes from the ILO, who must have a more detailed sector breakdown somewhere..

 

https://www.ilo.org/ilostat/faces/oracle/webcenter/portalapp/pagehierarchy/Page3.jspx?MBI_ID=33&_afrLoop=992773259830281&_afrWindowMode=0&_afrWindowId=dv37iedux_1#!%40%40%3F_afrWindowId%3Ddv37iedux_1%26_afrLoop%3D992773259830281%26MBI_ID%3D33%26_afrWindowMode%3D0%26_adf.ctrl-state%3Ddv37iedux_45

 

[jake]

2 hours ago, Yoda said:

If the banks (RBS & Lloyds) had been allowed to fail the whole banking system in the UK would have collapsed.  Liquidity would have dried up and that would have meant no cash in ATMs, savings (in RBS & Lloyds) lost, businesses not being able to pay wages, shops ceasing to trade.  We'd quickly see a breakdown in society with wide spread disorder and looting.  It was a no-brainer to step in and save the banks in order to save the system.

 

The fine RBS just got in the USA relates to the financial crash in 2008, its not anything new.  Its just taken the US Gov 10 years to get round to fining them.  

Rubbish.

If you believe in capitalism then they should have been allowed to fail.

Because the fact that the taxpayer bailed out these institutions has not in fact led to different behaviour but in all likelihood will lead to the same again.

 

This is fascism.

Not capitalism.

 

And by the way an exact opposite with no state backed bank is the way forward for Scotland .

 

[jake]

And as no fan of the Snp but an advocate of independence.

To make an investment in new born children is not something to be criticised.

Not when the world wide expenditure on death by violence dwarfs it into insignificance.

 

Some people will dogmatically attack or defend anything.

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

We want to welcome every baby born in Scotland by giving them their own Baby Box.

To sign up for your Baby Box, please speak to your midwife. 

For all enquiries about the delivery of your box please phone 0800 030 8003 or email [email protected] quoting the registration number from the card given to you when you registered for your Baby Box.

The Baby Box is a welcome gift for every baby born and living in Scotland. It's packed full of all the essential items your baby will need to give them the best possible start in life. But that’s not where the help ends. There’s support available throughout your child’s early life and beyond. 

Not only is the box full of baby essentials from birth to 6 months, it’s also a safe and comfortable place for your wee one to sleep. You can use it to keep all your baby items in before they're born and as a memory box or a place to store toys once they're too big to sleep in it. 

It's been designed so that you can pop your baby’s name and birth details on the lid – and if you have a toddler or older child, they can even colour it in – a lovely way to make them feel part of things when the new baby comes along.

Why? In case you want to dispose of the little brat?

[Pans Jambo]

2 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

For me the box is a decent offering, you have to be really anti SNP to not think it overall is more positive than negative.

 

But for me it sums up the SNP in that it is a crowd pleaser but doesn’t address the underlying problems.  This Scottish government is missing almost every  NHS target set.  So for me stop messing around with free boxes and prescriptions and use that money to tackle the real issues. 

 

Its like the council tax freeze, a crowd pleaser but the amount of money this is depriving councils is mind boggling.  Talk to anyone who works in a council and they will tell you they can’t offer anything like the services they need to.  But as always the SNP don’t want to upset the masses.  

 

And as for that list above about all the stuff that’s free most is nice to have stuff I wish the SNP would forget and focus on NHS, education levels in schools, policing etc

Unyet NHS, Schools & policing are better in all targets in Scotland than every other part of the UK. I think they are “focusing” on these things. 

Are they perfect? Nope, far from it but its a lie from people down south who say Scotlands public services are a basket case. Stones & glass houses & all that. I know which part of the UK I would rather live in & it aint Brighton. 

[Brighton Jambo]

6 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Unyet NHS, Schools & policing are better in all targets in Scotland than every other part of the UK. I think they are “focusing” on these things. 

Are they perfect? Nope, far from it but its a lie from people down south who say Scotlands public services are a basket case. Stones & glass houses & all that. I know which part of the UK I would rather live in & it aint Brighton. 

I llive in Glasgow. I have lived in Scotland for 35 years and Scottish education standards are the worst they have been in many years.  I couldn’t give a monkeys what happens in England, Wales etc the government of Scotland who takes my hard earned money needs to sort it.  They have systematically failed to do so and it’s time for a change. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729

 

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I llive in Glasgow. I have lived in Scotland for 35 years and Scottish education standards are the worst they have been in many years.  I couldn’t give a monkeys what happens in England, Wales etc the government of Scotland who takes my hard earned money needs to sort it.  They have systematically failed to do so and it’s time for a change. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729

 

See if we’re not supposed to compare them to welsh and English standards who are we meant to compare them to? Seeing England have our purse strings?

Im not sure how they judge the standards either I’ve got nieces and nephews and even my own daughter who’s just left school and they are all clever with good jobs or my own kid who’s about to start university along with her friends who are going into law and stuff. 

The standards don’t look too bad to me. 

Methinks you just want to bash and be doom and gloom cos you’re jimmys are seriously ripped by the snp. 

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I llive in Glasgow. I have lived in Scotland for 35 years and Scottish education standards are the worst they have been in many years.  I couldn’t give a monkeys what happens in England, Wales etc the government of Scotland who takes my hard earned money needs to sort it.  They have systematically failed to do so and it’s time for a change. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729

 

Cool. I dont live in Prestonpans either. 

What is it they need to “sort”? My lad is doing well at a good school & my daughter left last year with 4 highers & now works for a large company in Edinburgh city centre. They were not failed by any SNP policies. What the BBC wont tell you is that the recent exam passes were just over 10% better in Scotland than rUk but maybe we shouldnt compare eh. 

Tell me when in the last 50 years a time that the NHS, Schools, Policing etc WASNT on its arse? Its an easy target. Parties of all colours paint them as a problem but never really seem to fix the “problem”. The Scotgov at least seem to be doing better than elsewhere but if we cant compare, then how do we measure?

just feels like yet another SNPbad story to me. 

[Yoda]

9 hours ago, jake said:

Rubbish.

If you believe in capitalism then they should have been allowed to fail.

Because the fact that the taxpayer bailed out these institutions has not in fact led to different behaviour but in all likelihood will lead to the same again.

 

This is fascism.

Not capitalism.

 

And by the way an exact opposite with no state backed bank is the way forward for Scotland .

 

Unfortunately the banks were too big to fail and they had to be saved.  That's why they have now all separated their retail and investment elements into ring-fenced banks.  If, in the highly unlikely event that they get in trouble again, then they will be allowed to fail. Rightly so.

 

The point was that in 2008 they had to be saved to avoid complete chaos for everyone.  The poorest people in society would have suffered the most.

 

Just have a look at Venezuela to see what happens when you abandon capitalism for socialism.  Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best system we've got at the moment.

[Pans Jambo]

Meanwhile...NOT the SNP’s fault (yet):

 

https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-trusts-warn-no-deal-brexit-could-lead-to-hospital-drug-shortages-11478030

 

[Boris]

14 hours ago, Yoda said:

If the banks (RBS & Lloyds) had been allowed to fail the whole banking system in the UK would have collapsed.  Liquidity would have dried up and that would have meant no cash in ATMs, savings (in RBS & Lloyds) lost, businesses not being able to pay wages, shops ceasing to trade.  We'd quickly see a breakdown in society with wide spread disorder and looting.  It was a no-brainer to step in and save the banks in order to save the system.

 

The fine RBS just got in the USA relates to the financial crash in 2008, its not anything new.  Its just taken the US Gov 10 years to get round to fining them.  

 

IMO, the State should have simply nationalised the banks.

 

If they are so central to the well being of the economy, they are therefore too important to be allowed to operate in such a maverick fashion.

 

And, once the banks start making profits, that all goes to the State, rather than shareholders.  Happy days all round!

[Geoff the Mince]

1 hour ago, Boris said:

 

IMO, the State should have simply nationalised the banks.

 

If they are so central to the well being of the economy, they are therefore too important to be allowed to operate in such a maverick fashion.

 

And, once the banks start making profits, that all goes to the State, rather than shareholders.  Happy days all round!

Well said Boris .

[Boris]

1 hour ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Well said Boris .

 

[The Brow]

We don't live in a truly capitalist society when the government bails out big business and banks. 

 

Boris knows. 

 

 

[Boris]

1 hour ago, The Brow said:

We don't live in a truly capitalist society when the government bails out big business and banks. 

 

Boris knows. 

 

 

 

Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor!

[altyjambo]

5 hours ago, Boris said:

 

IMO, the State should have simply nationalised the banks.

 

If they are so central to the well being of the economy, they are therefore too important to be allowed to operate in such a maverick fashion.

 

And, once the banks start making profits, that all goes to the State, rather than shareholders.  Happy days all round!

 

Regardless of whether you call it capitalism or socialism or communism or fascism, that's pretty much what happened in 2008. The government took control of the banks.

When they start making profit, the State benefits. The only difference to your outline is that the state benefits by reselling shares in the banks rather than continuing to own them.

 

[Geoff the Mince]

2 hours ago, Boris said:

 

[Boris]

6 minutes ago, altyjambo said:

 

Regardless of whether you call it capitalism or socialism or communism or fascism, that's pretty much what happened in 2008. The government took control of the banks.

When they start making profit, the State benefits. The only difference to your outline is that the state benefits by reselling shares in the banks rather than continuing to own them.

 

 

But the state didn't benefit as it made an overall loss on those shares.

 

I guess my point is that if the banks were nationalised, we shouldn't get into the position that they did in 2008.

[altyjambo]

6 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

But the state didn't benefit as it made an overall loss on those shares.

 

I guess my point is that if the banks were nationalised, we shouldn't get into the position that they did in 2008.

 

RBS is still heavily loss making, so by selling the shares at a loss, the state doesn't have to fund those losses as well. So, not making a profit but costing less I guess.

 

The banks have been ringfenced into good bits and bad bits now, with retail parts separate from the corporate, so it should not be in a position to get into the same position again.

[Boris]

2 minutes ago, altyjambo said:

 

RBS is still heavily loss making, so by selling the shares at a loss, the state doesn't have to fund those losses as well. So, not making a profit but costing less I guess.

 

The banks have been ringfenced into good bits and bad bits now, with retail parts separate from the corporate, so it should not be in a position to get into the same position again.

 

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, Boris said:

 

IMO, the State should have simply nationalised the banks.

 

If they are so central to the well being of the economy, they are therefore too important to be allowed to operate in such a maverick fashion.

 

And, once the banks start making profits, that all goes to the State, rather than shareholders.  Happy days all round!

Boris, don't be daft, rich folk can't have that happening. They've money to steal. 

[ri Alban]

20 hours ago, jake said:

And as no fan of the Snp but an advocate of independence.

To make an investment in new born children is not something to be criticised.

Not when the world wide expenditure on death by violence dwarfs it into insignificance.

 

Some people will dogmatically attack or defend anything.

Well said! 

[ri Alban]

And yes takes the lead! 52%

 

 

[Don Dan]

“In Scotland, leaving the European Union will boost support for independence by four points to 47%, giving it a clear lead over those saying they want to remain in the UK at 43%, with 10% unsure.”

 

however in 

 

“The poll suggests Brexit will also lead to majority support for reunification in an Irish border poll, with 52 per cent of Northern Irish voters saying they would back leaving the UK.”

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-brexit-will-build-majority-support-for-scottish-independence-1-4793857

 

So YES don’t take the lead with 52%

[jambo lodge]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

And yes takes the lead! 52%

 

 

Saw some of the rabble assembling on Saturday morning for a march in Dunfermline. Maybe a few hundred of them , do they really think that dressing themselves like tartan foot soldiers and waving flags is going to convert people to their cause? . 

[XB52]

21 minutes ago, jambo lodge said:

Saw some of the rabble assembling on Saturday morning for a march in Dunfermline. Maybe a few hundred of them , do they really think that dressing themselves like tartan foot soldiers and waving flags is going to convert people to their cause? . 

52% for independence??

[Stuart Lyon]

Was this poll conducted before the Salmond scandal broke?

 

ps still no Scottish bottled water in W H Smiths!

Edited September 3, 2018 by Stuart Lyon

[The Real Maroonblood]

16 minutes ago, Stuart Lyon said:

Was this poll conducted before the Salmond scandal broke?

 

ps still no Scottish bottled water in W H Smiths!

Always find it laughable people in this country buying bottled water.

The odd bottle but some folk buy gallons of it.

Sad people.

[jambo lodge]

Poll was conducted on behalf of two organisations who would like a second Brexit referendum. Questions would be tailored to get the answers they were looking for.