United and Jackie McNamara

[Craig Gordons Gloves]

Listening to sport sound last night and it would appear that Jackie MacNamara is a bit pish- one fan write in saying that he's only won 4 games in the last 20 and that United have shown no ambition aside from racking up players to sell. Add this to the suspension of the director of youth for supposedly a rift with MacNamara and the united fans aren't happy.

 

It's interesting as I get the impression that MacNamara is a bit of a media favorite and despite having a shite time is allowed to get away with it due to selling players.

 

Based on them at the weekend, we should struggle to keep it less than double figures when we play them later this season.

[bighusref]

He's on his way out. Mates from Dundee think he's trying to get sacked as he wants the pay off.

[Diego10]

Tbf to him, the shan run has coincided with them selling most of their good players. Can't replace that overnight without a few bumps

[Thought Police]

His success is built from the system that Levein put in place

[CollyWolly]

Tbf to him, the shan run has coincided with them selling most of their good players. Can't replace that overnight without a few bumps

Sales which he has personally financially benefitted from

[GJamboR7]

Apparently a massive knob in person. Constantly goes on about money, new cars, big houses etc.

[doctor jambo]

He is popular with the media, but his record has been mediocre. He walked into a great job, with a great set up and some terrific players.

Since day one that has been eroded, with or without his complicity.

I think the fact he profited from the destruction of his own team shows him in a poor light- at the least he should have anticipated this

[Diego10]

Sales which he has personally financially benefitted from

No denial of that, but those players were being sold anyway.

 

He also signed a fair number of good players, including Robertson and Ciftci who have made the club big money.

 

I think he's a dick but I also think he's done a good job there.

[The Merse]

Sales which he has personally financially benefitted from

 

Doesn't mean he was the one who made the decision though does it?

[Strachsuit]

This might be a wee bit rich coming from a Hearts supporter bearing in mind the amount of say we have in the running of our club these days, but.... The Dundee Utd supporters seem to have a lot to say for themselves! Demanding answers on why a youth director has been suspended? Surely that's a matter for the club first and foremost, seeing as it is pending an investigation? 

 

There are pant-wetters on here that would be raging and demanding answers if AB decided to suspend someone in the background of the club. Personally I understand the fans frustrations but there are certain things that need to be kept private, especially whilst there is any internal investigation.

 

WE DEMAND ANSHURS!

[CollyWolly]

No denial of that, but those players were being sold anyway.

 

He also signed a fair number of good players, including Robertson and Ciftci who have made the club big money.

 

I think he's a dick but I also think he's done a good job there.

4 wins in 20 (is that actually true ?) A good job ? Its a worse record than Gary Locke with far better resources.

If he's there purely to generate income, then yes I suppose he has done pretty well. If he's there to win football matches and he's won 4 out of 20 he has failed , miserably.

[YMWrules]

His success is built from the system that Levein put in place

Big Time.

[theboyscotty]

to be fair to him, he does buy very well. does come across as a bit of a bellend though

[Bauld]

A club that cares only about money and will happily alienate their fans and sacrifice success to get it. They have shown no ambition to keep any player. The minute any interest is shown they jump over themselves to agree a price.

 

If I was one of their fans I'd be furious with the way the club has gone about it's business over the last year.

 

Football should always be about the fans first because if everything goes tits up the fans are the ones who can save you.

[Diego10]

4 wins in 20 (is that actually true ?) A good job ? Its a worse record than Gary Locke with far better resources.

If he's there purely to generate income, then yes I suppose he has done pretty well. If he's there to win football matches and he's won 4 out of 20 he has failed , miserably.

Do we not look at context at all these days? For a kick off before that run they'd had an excellent season. Of those 20 games, 8 have been against Celtic and Aberdeen and almost all against top 6 sides. Last season they got to a cup final,for the second year in a row and finished 5th despite selling Robertson, Gauld, GMS and Armstrong. They then sold Ciftci in the summer.

 

He's had back to back top 6 finishes and sold ?10m plus of players as well as losing a lot of high earners for nothing.

 

Overall he's done well.

[CollyWolly]

Do we not look at context at all these days? For a kick off before that run they'd had an excellent season. Of those 20 games, 8 have been against Celtic and Aberdeen and almost all against top 6 sides. Last season they got to a cup final,for the second year in a row and finished 5th despite selling Robertson, Gauld, GMS and Armstrong. They then sold Ciftci in the summer.

 

He's had back to back top 6 finishes and sold ?10m plus of players as well as losing a lot of high earners for nothing.

 

Overall he's done well.

Would you be happy if Neilson left and Hearts appointed him ?

[CJGJ]

What should be remembered is that United were at one point owing a large amount of debt.

 

The sales of players and the agreement they reached with their bankers and other 'rich fans' meant a form of debt forgiveness was forthcoming has saved the day in a financial sense

 

The sales have brought in far more than was originally anticipated and allowed a quicker repayment of the debt but of course selling is easy, the hardest part is replacing what has left with other players from the youth squad or by purchasing players with the aim of developing them and selling them on. They are at this time suffering from the sales whilst waiting for the next batch to develop into first team players but they do have one or two with promise still at the club.

 

The manager has the issue with receiving a fee from all sales and the chairman is being seen as looking to move on with interest in an Australian team and taking his eye off events at home. Add the issues with the youth development manager and the poor recent results and the pressure is truly building. Our return to the top flight will not have helped either making it a more difficult task to be successful in the league.

 

We often ask for patience at a football club and perhaps that is what United fans will need to do but the current issue re the youth team manager needs to be resolved and soon.

[jayjay]

Apparently a massive knob in person. Constantly goes on about money, new cars, big houses etc.

Complete bullshit. A nicer guy you wouldn't meet. I've been in his company on a few social occasions through mutual friends and he's a gentleman.

[Son Of Anarchy]

Never liked Dundee utd, never liked McNamara so **** em both!

[Diego10]

Would you be happy if Neilson left and Hearts appointed him ?

Not particularly,but mainly because he's Hibs and a bit of a tool. His track record is not bad at all.

[Fort Vallance]

Party Central flat in Dundee with his mate D.J. "allegedly"

[YMWrules]

Always thought he was an arrogant wee prick as a player and no different as manager,obviously the Utd fans have had enough and some even tweeting Levein

begging to come back!!!!!!!!!!!

[CollyWolly]

Not particularly,but mainly because he's Hibs and a bit of a tool. His track record is not bad at all.

So a manager who has 'done well' is excluded on the grounds that he isn't a Hearts man and he's apparently a tool, according to a bunch of folk who have probably never met the man and are probably judging him a tool because of his past Celtic connections.

 

You don't have any difficulty with a Rangers man being the Hearts manager ?

[TheBigO]

Complete bullshit. A nicer guy you wouldn't meet. I've been in his company on a few social occasions through mutual friends and he's a gentleman.

Agreed Jackie Jr and Sr both nice guys. Dornie too fwiw. Don't really know them but have close friends/family who do.

 

Football n real persona often differ

[GJamboR7]

Complete bullshit. A nicer guy you wouldn't meet. I've been in his company on a few social occasions through mutual friends and he's a gentleman.

That's why I said apparently, I've never met the guy. The person who told me this is a dundee utd fan so is probably not his biggest fan

[RudiHMFC]

Fans hate him, won't be there much longer one way or another.

[Muppetboy]

Did well spotting spittal, quality young player

[Diego10]

So a manager who has 'done well' is excluded on the grounds that he isn't a Hearts man and he's apparently a tool, according to a bunch of folk who have probably never met the man and are probably judging him a tool because of his past Celtic connections.

 

You don't have any difficulty with a Rangers man being the Hearts manager ?

I would rather have someone else,but I wouldn't have any particular objections to him as a coach.

 

I think you're trying to imply something I'm not saying.

[CollyWolly]

I would rather have someone else,but I wouldn't have any particular objections to him as a coach.

 

I think you're trying to imply something I'm not saying.

You're saying he has done well. In a football results sense and given the talent he has had at his disposal, he hasn't IMO. As a fan I am not much interested in anything else. That is the measure you judge the manager and the team and the club by if your a fan.

 

You wouldn't want him as Hearts manager because he's a Hibs welt (apparently) I wouldn't want him as Hearts manager because he's shite at getting results despite having some really good players passing through his hands, at least fleetingly.

 

We both wouldn't want him as a manager.

[graygo]

So a manager who has 'done well' is excluded on the grounds that he isn't a Hearts man and he's apparently a tool, according to a bunch of folk who have probably never met the man and are probably judging him a tool because of his past Celtic connections.

 

You don't have any difficulty with a Rangers man being the Hearts manager ?

I must have missed the post about his Celtic connections.

[Nookie Bear]

Did well spotting spittal, quality young player

 

Made an absolute arse of it against Hamilton at the weekend tbf

[Diego10]

You're saying he has done well. In a football results sense and given the talent he has had at his disposal, he hasn't IMO. As a fan I am not much interested in anything else. That is the measure you judge the manager and the team and the club by if your a fan.

 

You wouldn't want him as Hearts manager because he's a Hibs welt (apparently) I wouldn't want him as Hearts manager because he's shite at getting results despite having some really good players passing through his hands, at least fleetingly.

 

We both wouldn't want him as a manager.

I think he has done well as a manager. Did a very good job at Partick. 3 consecutive top 6 finishes, having inherited a United team that hadn't won a home game in 5 months. Signed some excellent players. Two cup finals and a very unfortunate Scottish cup semi final defeat to Celtic. All while regularly losing their best players.

 

There are better managers but I think he can be justifiably happy with his CV. You asked if I would want him to replace Neilson and I said not particularly but if he was Levein's choice I would have no problems with it. Just because I'd rather have someone else doesn't mean I'd be burning a scarf outside the ground.

[CollyWolly]

I must have missed the post about his Celtic connections.

No you didn't miss it. There isn't one. He undoubtedly has Celtic connections which makes you unsuitable for a job with Hearts in a lot of people's eyes.

[Mikey1874]

A club that cares only about money and will happily alienate their fans and sacrifice success to get it. They have shown no ambition to keep any player. The minute any interest is shown they jump over themselves to agree a price.

 

If I was one of their fans I'd be furious with the way the club has gone about it's business over the last year.

 

Football should always be about the fans first because if everything goes tits up the fans are the ones who can save you.

Steven Thompson has destabilised the club

 

selling Armstrong to Celtic was the tipping point for the fans, then the bonus system for payments to McNamara from player sales and talk of investing in Australian team.

 

these things may be fine when results are good but that run is relegation form

 

Thompson needs to stabilise things which includes backing or replacing the manager or conflict will continue but his ego might be too big - scapegoating McNamara would certainly buy time.

 

manager is a victim of this but ex old firm players and managers who get a bit of early success (McNamara at Partick) tend to be overrated as managers too

[SE16 3LN]

No you didn't miss it. There isn't one. He undoubtedly has Celtic connections which makes you unsuitable for a job with Hearts in a lot of people's eyes.

If you have Celtic connections, get a % of transfer fees and the sell your best players to Celtic mid-season, then you would be unsuitable for the job in my opinion.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

McNamara wants to be at Celtic, in whatever capacity he can get.

 

Clearly doesn't give a fk about DU and never has.

[Mikey1874]

If you have Celtic connections, get a % of transfer fees and the sell your best players to Celtic mid-season, then you would be unsuitable for the job in my opinion.

sales were down to Thompson, not anything to do with McNamara

 

it doesn't look good which is why Thompson needs to be more vocal though he did kind of apologise afterwards

[CollyWolly]

If you have Celtic connections, get a % of transfer fees and the sell your best players to Celtic mid-season, then you would be unsuitable for the job in my opinion.

I'd never want to see a Hearts manager on a % of transfer fees. Its counter productive and highly suspicious if you ask me.

[Alma Matters]

All set up for Pressley to slither his way to Tannadice.

[Diadora Van Basten]

Amazing the contradiction on this thread.

 

Is he arrogant or a nice guy?

Did he take over a successful team or a team that hadn't won for five months?

 

Personally I think he has done well but they have sold too many players.

 

I don't think he decides who they sell so it's not his fault.

 

He now has to start again and the DU fans will just have to be patient.

 

Also having met him a few times and playing beside him at youth level I would say the people saying he is a nice guy are more likely to be correct than those saying he's not.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Steven Thompson has destabilised the club

 

selling Armstrong to Celtic was the tipping point for the fans, then the bonus system for payments to McNamara from player sales and talk of investing in Australian team.

 

these things may be fine when results are good but that run is relegation form

 

Thompson needs to stabilise things which includes backing or replacing the manager or conflict will continue but his ego might be too big - scapegoating McNamara would certainly buy time.

 

manager is a victim of this but ex old firm players and managers who get a bit of early success (McNamara at Partick) tend to be overrated as managers too

 

Correct but only because he's an utter tool and cronic businessman. The dad wanted the daughter to be chairman and spoke about that in the press but she took a back seat (understandably) when Eddie and her husband (also a complete tool) died in the same week.  I think she is now involved again but Thompson Jnr seems to be hanging on to the power for now.  

[ToadKiller Dog]

Stephen Thompson at the moment is just taking back the money his father ( who was the real United supporter , ST growing up was never as much into football as his dad ) put into the club off the transfers leaving United a bit dry recruitment money wise until he gets that back and goes to Australia they are in a bit of limbo .

 

As for Jackie Manamara haven't a clue what type of person he is , seems ok from his media personality , but managers are only as good as their current set of results in the eyes of supporters . Robbie still gets questioned on his abilities here even after a win .

 

United are in for a poor season or two I guess and it will be interesting as things may change at board level . I hear ST sister may take over as they don't want to sell up just now as its their mothers wishes .

[Shanks said no]

My understanding from a supposedly reliable source is that Jackie is away by Friday.

 

He will be followed soon by Thompson who wants to spend more time in Australia

[Tasavallan]

I'd never want to see a Hearts manager on a % of transfer fees. Its counter productive and highly suspicious if you ask me.

Which is why Neilson is only a Head Coach and all transfer transactions at Hearts are dealt with by Levein & Board.

[CollyWolly]

Amazing the contradiction on this thread.

 

Is he arrogant or a nice guy?

Did he take over a successful team or a team that hadn't won for five months?

 

Personally I think he has done well but they have sold too many players.

 

I don't think he decides who they sell so it's not his fault.

 

He now has to start again and the DU fans will just have to be patient.

 

Also having met him a few times and playing beside him at youth level I would say the people saying he is a nice guy are more likely to be correct than those saying he's not.

The number of people on this board who have associated or socialised with Jackie McNamara is astounding

[CollyWolly]

Which is why Neilson is only a Head Coach and all transfer transactions at Hearts are dealt with by Levein & Board.

Because he'd want a cut ?? Don't be silly.

[Haken]

Big Time.

Peter Gabriel?

[tartofmidlothian]

Do we not look at context at all these days? For a kick off before that run they'd had an excellent season. Of those 20 games, 8 have been against Celtic and Aberdeen and almost all against top 6 sides. Last season they got to a cup final,for the second year in a row and finished 5th despite selling Robertson, Gauld, GMS and Armstrong. They then sold Ciftci in the summer.

 

He's had back to back top 6 finishes and sold ?10m plus of players as well as losing a lot of high earners for nothing.

 

Overall he's done well.

In 19 league games since the end of the January window his record is W4 D3 L12 F13 A33

 

Thats a bad run of form whichever way you look at it, even without the cup games. I think we'd call it a rebuilding period, if he ends up staying.

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

Be interesting if he ended up head of youth development or something at Celtic.

 

Does he still do that shite comedy stuff he was trying to promote on Sportsound a year or so ago?

[Smack]

Thought about Jackie a few nights ago (dry). This culminated in me reading the first few posts of this thread and adding that I think he's not a very good manager.