iainmac Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 He has now been at UTD for 2 years or so. Until a Championship club have a vacancy? He missed out on that but still appears to be happy to dump 'Well this Summer. Maybe because he knew back in March where his future lay? At the end of the day, money talks - whether you re CL, MM or any other manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Until a Championship club have a vacancy? Maybe because he knew back in March where his future lay? At the end of the day, money talks - whether you re CL, MM or any other manager. The point is CL appears to give a Club around 3 years of service. Which is probably above average for a Managerial position. MM appears to give a club his resignation letter within mintues of his signing on fee hitting his Bank Account. Commitment is not a word associated with Mr McGhee. Mark my words if he joins Hearts he will be gone within 18 months to 2 years. Maximum. My only hope is that he does make a job of it whilst he's here making it an attractive option for someone again. The problem then may be that VR cannot rely on UK Managers loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 The point is CL appears to give a Club around 3 years of service. Which is probably above average for a Managerial position. MM appears to give a club his resignation letter within mintues of his signing on fee hitting his Bank Account. Commitment is not a word associated with Mr McGhee. Mark my words if he joins Hearts he will be gone within 18 months to 2 years. Maximum. My only hope is that he does make a job of it whilst he's here making it an attractive option for someone again. The problem then may be that VR cannot rely on UK Managers loyalty. We wont be able to keep a hold of ANY manager who gets a better financial offer to go to another club. Whether thats after a year or 3 years it will always be the case, unless we match money on offer elsewhere, that any successful manager will be off. The only way to avoid your manager being headhunted is to get a manager in that no-one is going to head-hunt. And the point to doing this is ? If McGhee is a success in year one, we should be planning to give him more money/benefits in year 2 so that he's not tempted to leave. Performance related incentives they call it. I'm sure Vlad must have heard of it. If Motherwell had the financial resources to keep McGhee he wouldnt even be thinking about coming here or even going elsewhere. The bottom line is If McGhee is Hearts manager and gets a better offer he would go If Levein is Hearts manager and gets a better offer he would go. If ANYONE is Hearts manager and they get a better offer they would go. There is no difference, not only between McGhee and Levein, but between them and any other manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 We wont be able to keep a hold of ANY manager who gets a better financial offer to go to another club. Whether thats after a year or 3 years it will always be the case, unless we match money on offer elsewhere, that any successful manager will be off. The only way to avoid your manager being headhunted is to get a manager in that no-one is going to head-hunt. And the point to doing this is ? If McGhee is a success in year one, we should be planning to give him more money/benefits in year 2 so that he's not tempted to leave. Performance related incentives they call it. I'm sure Vlad must have heard of it. If Motherwell had the financial resources to keep McGhee he wouldnt even be thinking about coming here or even going elsewhere. The bottom line is If McGhee is Hearts manager and gets a better offer he would go If Levein is Hearts manager and gets a better offer he would go. If ANYONE is Hearts manager and they get a better offer they would go. There is no difference, not only between McGhee and Levein, but between them and any other manager. I agree. But as I've said McGhee has a reputation for dumping clubs not that long after signing a deal with them. Reading, Leicester City and Motherwell have all suffered from his apparent eagerness to 'leave when the next decent offer comes along' attitude. The other 3 Clubs he's managed he's been sacked. I fear he may not be the answer to the stability we currently crave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 I agree. But as I've said McGhee has a reputation for dumping clubs not that long after signing a deal with them. Reading, Leicester City and Motherwell have all suffered from his apparent eagerness to 'leave when the next decent offer comes along' attitude. The other 3 Clubs he's managed he's been sacked. I fear he may not be the answer to the stability we currently crave. He has an agreement with Motherwell that he can walk away at the end of this season if he gets a better offer - same as Levein with Raith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 He has an agreement with Motherwell that he can walk away at the end of this season if he gets a better offer - same as Levein with Raith. MM signed a 2 year deal and will walk away before he's reached 12 months of the contract. This is the 3rd time he will have signed a deal and dumped his club within 12 months of putting pen to paper. CL did not sign any deal with Raith. Both Raith and CL knew that he was only going to be there for a short period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 MM signed a 2 year deal and will walk away before he's reached 12 months of the contract. Yes, but only because: a) He had the clause inserted that allowed him to do that - this must have suited Motherwell at the time or they wouldn't have agreed to this, surely? We've given him the opportunity to quadruple his salary and raise his profile even higher. What would you do in these circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Yes, but only because: a) He had the clause inserted that allowed him to do that - this must have suited Motherwell at the time or they wouldn't have agreed to this, surely? We've given him the opportunity to quadruple his salary and raise his profile even higher. What would you do in these circumstances? What I'd do is totally irrelevant. What is best for Hearts IS irrelevant and employing a Manager with itchy feet along with having an owner who has an itchy trigger finger is not a good combination. It's another short term fix imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Is he a manager with itchy feet ? most of his clubs he has managed he was there for around 3 years ,which at english championship level a decent period ,you could argue that he has never managed at a club with the ability to sustain long term succses to match his ambitions,are we a club that could match that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 1991–1994 - Reading 1994–1995 - Leicester 1995–1998 - Wolves 2000–2003 - Millwall 2003–2006 - Brighton 2007– Motherwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djh83 Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 McGhee is better than Levein. That's why we'r going for McGhee. Does that answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Is he a manager with itchy feet ? most of his clubs he has managed he was there for around 3 years ,which at english championship level a decent period ,you could argue that he has never managed at a club with the ability to sustain long term succses to match his ambitions,are we a club that could match that ? He dropped Reading just weeks/months after commiting to a New long term deal. He then dropped his next Club, Leicester City less than a year after joining them for Wolves he had a mediocre spell there and was eventually sacked. After a while out of football he joined Millwall only to get sacked after a fall-out with the owner. He then joined B&HA only to get sacked again. He then joined Motherwell a year or so later only to be ready to leave less than 4 months into his first Season. So out of 6 jobs he's ripped up a contract before the ink was dry, been sacked from 3 jobs and left/will leave the other 2 within a year of joining them. He's not exactly got me thinking he's a long'ish term option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 He's not exactly got me thinking he's a long'ish term option. Good post DH, When you read it like that......... I'd still prefer him to Levein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 He dropped Reading just weeks/months after commiting to a New long term deal. He then dropped his next Club, Leicester City less than a year after joining them for Wolves he had a mediocre spell there and was eventually sacked. After a while out of football he joined Millwall only to get sacked after a fall-out with the owner. He then joined B&HA only to get sacked again. He then joined Motherwell a year or so later only to be ready to leave less than 4 months into his first Season. So out of 6 jobs he's ripped up a contract before the ink was dry, been sacked from 3 jobs and left/will leave the other 2 within a year of joining them. He's not exactly got me thinking he's a long'ish term option. What about if he came here and actually won something, would that make him stay ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Good post DH, When you read it like that......... I'd still prefer him to Levein. We will obviously disagree on that. I hope MM does do a good job. But I just can't see him being here for more than a Season/Season and a 1/2. If he does join Celtic eventually will we have to put that extra 'h' in his name or is the one he already have be enough ? Mcghee or McGhhee ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 We will obviously disagree on that. I hope MM does do a good job. But I just can't see him being here for more than a Season/Season and a 1/2. If he does join Celtic eventually will we have to put that extra 'h' in his name or is the one he already have be enough ? Mcghee or McGhhee ? Mhark MhcGhee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 What about if he came here and actually won something, would that make him stay ??? I would say no. But that is a guess based on his previous/current 'jump ship' outlook on Football Management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Mhark MhcGhee. Bhookmharked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 We will obviously disagree on that. I hope MM does do a good job. But I just can't see him being here for more than a Season/Season and a 1/2. If he does join Celtic eventually will we have to put that extra 'h' in his name or is the one he already have be enough ? Mcghee or McGhhee ? Only super sleeky, two faced types, get the extra h in their name. Paul Hartley still only has the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Only super sleeky, two faced types, get the extra h in their name. Paul Hartley still only has the one Although at times Paul becomes his middle name and John his first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobblers Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 So out of 6 jobs he's ripped up a contract before the ink was dry, been sacked from 3 jobs and left/will leave the other 2 within a year of joining them. Sounds like the perfect man for the job with that track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Only super sleeky, two faced types, get the extra h in their name. Then surely MM qualifies for that extra 'h' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Then surely MM qualifies for that extra 'h' ? Unless he self styles himself as Mr Hearts, then does the dirty on us, then no he doesn't. Mark McGhee will come in and do a job, and be well paid for it - and he won't pretend otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Unless he self styles himself as Mr Hearts I don't think he will. He views this purely as a business transaction. I'm neutral to negative on his appointment as I remember him from his sellik and sheep dhays. He's got his work cut out to win me over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 I don't think he will. He views this purely as a business transaction. I'm neutral to negative on his appointment as I remember him from his sellik and sheep dhays. He's got his work cut out to win me over. Same here - although with Mr Romanov's financial backing, I think he might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 I don't think he will. He views this purely as a business transaction. I'm neutral to negative on his appointment as I remember him from his sellik and sheep dhays. He's got his work cut out to win me over. Just for you. Hated him as a player, delighted he'll be our next manager. Edit - Is Billy Stark taking a slash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Just for you. Hated him as a player, delighted he'll be our next manager. Edit - Is Billy Stark taking a slash? I despised him as a player. For 2 seasons in particular he was a pain in the erse for us. As a Manager I think he'll do a good job but I just don't think he'll be there for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Unless he self styles himself as Mr Hearts, then does the dirty on us, then no he doesn't. Mark McGhee will come in and do a job, and be well paid for it - and he won't pretend otherwise. while I disagree with you about SP, I agree about mm and while I would have preferred levein personally all we (hearts) need is our employees to do the job there being paid handsomely for in a professional and competent manner the lack of which has been core to all our problems this season and most of last for that matter i am however not in the slightest bit crazy about having the next celtic manager in waiting at hearts as the one thing i loved about the "revolution" was no longer being in the feeder club for the old firm bracket but beggers cant be chosers and as mitch would say WE NEED A MANAGER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Tree Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 Great idea....11 men defending on the goal line:confused: ----------------------------- A lot of good valid comments though thiis pesh. To remember his whole time managing the JT's and think this is nonsense.. To stress again not being a McGhee boo-boy (if ithappens) he may well do well. Long term I think CL could be the man. Opinion. As someone else said when commenting on CL - compared to what we are doing just now??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejtee Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 I have met Craig often, like him but would not take him back. He left us and there are better managers about eg MM and Davies. Craig should stay a few years where he is and get a job in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Its the exect same thing that walter smith was critised for....... and look at what he has achieved as a manager. Nearly won the european cup with a bunch of amature footballers and would have lead scotland the the to euro 2008 had he stuck with them. Levin has more football knowlage, tactical no-how, disire and most importantly, passion than smtih. People who critisise levin are basing there crisism purely on one bad game. Thats unfair because he did come third twice with no money and no support from the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 I'd take levein in a heart beat, before any other candidate realistic or otherwise! His style of play was dictated by the ability of the players he could get with a limited budget, I for one think he would be very special managing players of ability! Plus, he is hearts to the core, He is unrealistic at this time though as I don't believe he will return unless we are under new ownership. I am very happy with the potential oppointment of mm though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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