Harry Palmer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Who next for Labour? Maybe Trapper John, jambos are go etc etc would be able to give an answer to that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Who next for Labour? Maybe Trapper John, jambos are go etc etc would be able to give an answer to that question. Is there anyone other than Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What % of the vote in Scotland was for SNP and against? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 One of the pictures of the night (one of many!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What % of the vote in Scotland was for SNP and against? SNP 50% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) What % of the vote in Scotland was for SNP and against? Basically 50/50. Turnout was much lower than referendum so either a number of No voters voted SNP, or a number of No voters didn't vote. Edited May 8, 2015 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Is there anyone other than Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper? Chuka Umunna, the UK's Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Who next for Labour? Maybe Trapper John, jambos are go etc etc would be able to give an answer to that question. I don't even think it matters. What happened to labour last night is what SHOULD have happened at the last GE. Proper punishment for the economic train crash was not meted out last time. Well they got it in the teeth last night. Labour , whether they like it or not were responsible for austerity, and now they are paying the piper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Basically 50/50. Turnout was much lower than referendum so either a number of No voters voted SNP, or a number of No voters didn't vote. Significant number of No voters voted SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Is there anyone other than Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper? That's about their choice. They'll be forming an opposition ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) One of the pictures of the night (one of many!) Black's performance in the coming months will be one to watch as I predicted the press will be all over her and will be setting many many traps to catch her out. Edited May 8, 2015 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Chuka Umunna, the UK's Obama. Ian Murray? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Chuka Umunna, the UK's Obama. That would be a clean break and a fresh start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Basically 50/50. Turnout was much lower than referendum so either a number of No voters voted SNP, or a number of No voters didn't vote. No 16/17 yo voting although not sure whether that makes any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 11am for South Twatnet says Alastair Stewart on ITV.. WTF are they doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Some lazy constituencies out there. More than 12 hours after Sunderland declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 As a Celtic season-ticket holder, will Murphy be asking for clarification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) What % of the vote in Scotland was for SNP and against? Full breakdown is:- SNP 50.0 LAB 24.3 CON 14.9 LD 7.5 UKIP 1.6 GRN 1.3 SNP surge was so huge that an extra 20,000 Tory voters still leaves them down by almost 2% in vote share. UKIP vote cost Lamont in BRS I think. Edited May 8, 2015 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Fraser Nelson @FraserNelson ? 13m 13 minutes ago SNP has 95% of seats on 50% of vote. Unionists in Scotland now seriously underrepresented: three MPs now speak for half a nation. But that's FPTP for you! SNP get 1.4 million votes and get 56 seats. Lib Dems get 2.3 million votes and get 6 seats. UKIP get 3.7 million votes and get 1 seat. Greens get 1.1 million votes and get 1 seat. The system is badly flawed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 11am for South Twatnet says Alastair Stewart on ITV.. WTF are they doing? Not long started counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Bollocks. Lost 10 quid on Aberdeen South and 10 quid to the YDF on Eck. The pressure for a second Indy referendum will be too high for Nicola to resist. My only solace will be if Nigel gets booted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I probably missed the yelps of anguish for a fairer electoral model while the 2 (and a bit) party system was in vogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The system is badly flawed It's badly flawed until you realise that UKIP are probably going to wind up with one seat. Small mercies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Full breakdown is:- SNP 50.0 LAB 24.3 CON 14.9 LD 7.5 UKIP 1.6 GRN 1.3 SNP surge was so huge that an extra 20,000 Tory voters still leaves them down by almost 2% in vote share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Off to change a pear.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Tories seven off a majority atm. With DUP support, they're sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Tories the winners in Wales. Nae luck with the :pinilla: for Leeanne Wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Tories the winners in Wales. Nae luck with the :pinilla: for Leeanne Wood. Would still bang though. Says a lot about the Welsh that they won't back an obvious milf. Scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Markets certainly like the result - massive initial increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Must say the outcome still puzzles me, the exit polls I thought were way out! The one thing this election exposes is political parties are chosen by England. We or most scots don't want a Tory gov, and even if all 59 seats had been labour we'd still have a Tory gov. The most (by a bawhair) have voted for something entirely different for the usual GE elections, the Tories will have to deal differently with us as the status quo won't cut it. Federalism please, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Must say the outcome still puzzles me, the exit polls I thought were way out! The one thing this election exposes is political parties are chosen by England. We or most scots don't want a Tory gov, and even if all 59 seats had been labour we'd still have a Tory gov. The most (by a bawhair) have voted for something entirely different for the usual GE elections, the Tories will have to deal differently with us as the status quo won't cut it. Federalism please, The SNP got 45% or so in 2011 and formed the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I probably missed the yelps of anguish for a fairer electoral model while the 2 (and a bit) party system was in vogue. remember the referendum on changing the voting system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 If federalism is introduced, the Westminster parties won't get any credit for it, unless some cross-party convention is set up. To do it properly, there needs to be a written constitution, a bill of rights, an elected second chamber with equalisation of nations and an agreement on what is federal power and what is devolved. It then also needs a referendum for popular support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Aye, sorry about the lack of mail from Leeanne forwarded your way. She seemed quite upbeat this morning. As she should. She'll wipe a couple of Labour seats away in the assembly next year. Apparently, Andy Burnham's pals are ringing round getting ideas of possible support for him to run as leader. Andy Burnham would be a good choice. The way he responded to the Hillsborough campaign makes him a good guy in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Aye, sorry about the lack of mail from Leeanne forwarded your way. She seemed quite upbeat this morning. As she should. She'll wipe a couple of Labour seats away in the assembly next year. Apparently, Andy Burnham's pals are ringing round getting ideas of possible support for him to run as leader. Genuine question - what would/can he do differently. He comes across OK but not leadership material (IMO). My vote would go to Tristram Hunt - just for the rhyming slang headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Watching local news (Portsmouth) and they were speaking to the public asking why they voted the way they did. One well spoken woman stated "I would have voted Labour however I went Conservative to stop Labour doing a deal with the SNP". They then speak with the Lib Dem candidate for Portsmouth highlighting there seemed to be a lot of tactical voting which he responded saying "Scotland has shown they have turned their back on the union". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Andy Burnham would be a good choice. The way he responded to the Hillsborough campaign makes him a good guy in my eyes. Don't you think he's just an extension of the old New Labour guard? They seem incapable of moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Don't you think he's just an extension of the old New Labour guard? They seem incapable of moving on.I actually think one of the main reasons Labour lost wasn't policy. It was personality. Miliband is a drip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddiemac Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 So with Cameron offering FFA will Sturgeon accept?snp are just about to be found out bigtime. they have been evading their cornerstone ffa like the plague all week . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think a lot of people up north are over-estimating the SNP factor down here. People don't like Labour because they're shit. They were proposing Ed Balls as chancellor FFS! Is that not the definition of arrogance? whatever the reasons its a big endorsement of the Conservatives in England - a very bad result for Labour interesting what happens and good early signs of recognising the result in Scotland I still see Cameron and the others as wolves in sheeps clothing eg privatizing, cutting public services but he's been voted in so like SNP in Scotland I respect the voters choices in a democracy and you get what you vote for here pretty well Achilles heal is still Europe and aside from showing they can make the new powers work for Scotland that's the big opportunity for the SNP - to put a clear dividing line over staying in EU albeit Cameron says he wants to stay in the EU referendum is a major error with the economy fragile and the risk of business here and abroad delaying investment till outcome but anyway here we are - no matter different ideas I'm confident Scotland can move forward positively - its a great place to live and we've lots of opportunities to build on making it better for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanjambo Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The English voters, particularly in the South West where the lib dems were capitulated, were worried about a Labour/SNP coalition, so tactically voted Tory and succeeded in avoiding any possibility of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Does anyone know if or when you get full constituency breakdowns? Would be interested to see how my ward voted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Also how much of a tit does Russell Brand look right now? Much the same as he's always looked and just as unfunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Does anyone know if or when you get full constituency breakdowns? Would be interested to see how my ward voted.Ehm, now? Assuming your constituency has ddeclared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) Who next for Labour? Maybe Trapper John, jambos are go etc etc would be able to give an answer to that question. First of all congratulations to the SNP on a truly oustanding victory. For Labour and the LibDems they must get most of the high profile Scottish losers to stand at Holyrood and try and deny the SNP a majority next year. The focus must be on Holyrood and follow the SNP in sending a few big hitters to Westminster along with a lot of cannon fodder. They must confront the SNP in Scotland on social justice and equality. They must push for PR and federalism. I am a long time supporter as a trawl through my older posts will show. It was one of the few things Shawn Lawson and I agreed on. As far as the next Leader is concerned Alan Johnston would be a popular choice but I think a woman might get it. David Miliband might make a shock return. In other words I dont have a clue. Maybe Andy Burnam. I want a quick re run of the referendum to settle the issue. Edited May 8, 2015 by jambos are go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What % of the vote in Scotland was for SNP and against? 50% voted for SNP 50% voted for other parties, not against the SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordy Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Labour lost for two reasons. 1. Little Englanders don't want to be ruled by Scotland. 2. Ed Miliband Succinct and to the point. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Have Owen Jones and Polly Toynbee spontaneously combusted yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) remember the referendum on changing the voting system?A referendum which presented the option of the status quo or a form of PR no-one wanted. Designed to produce a rejection of the latter so that the two main parties could happily return to their merry duopoly. It only came about as a grubby piece of horse-trading anyway. These latest results have once again shown that democracy in the UK is a disgraceful sham. It's just a pity that so many of those whining now about FTTP are doing so not out of a love of democracy (where were you all those times Labour achieved huge numbers of MPs on a small share of the vote?) but because their party has been absolutely gubbed and the toys are out of the pram. As I said, grubby. Ps: not addressed at you - I know you're LD. Edited May 8, 2015 by leginten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 First of all congratulate the SNP on a truly oustanding victory. For Labour and the LibDems they must get most of the high profile Scottish losers to stand at Holyrood and try and deny the SNP a majority next year. The focus must be on Holyrood and follow the SNP in sending a few big hitters to Westminster along with a lot of cannon fodder. They must confront the SNP in Scotland on social justice and equality. They must push for PR and federalism. I am a long time supporter as a trawl through my older posts will show. It was one of the few things Shawn Lawson and I agreed on. As far as the next Leader is concerned Alan Johnston would be a popular choice but I think a woman might get it. David Miliband might make a shock return. In other words I dont have a clue. David Milliband might need a commons seat first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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