Mikey1874 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) A better day for OP with 3 neighbours saying they didn't hear a woman screaming. Still on track for a manslaughter verdict though. Defence saying will finish in a week. Edited May 6, 2014 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 A better day for OP with 3 neighbours saying they didn't hear a woman screaming. Still on track for a manslaughter verdict though. Defence saying will finish in a week. I think the break for Easter has helped OP He was on the ropes before the Judge stepped in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 OP begins his Psychiatric Evaluation today. Prosecutors accuse him as a volatile and paranoid gun nut. Expected to last a month. He could face 25 years if convicted of premeditated murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 OP begins his Psychiatric Evaluation today. Prosecutors accuse him as a volatile and paranoid gun nut. Expected to last a month. He could face 25 years if convicted of premeditated murder. He may well be a paranoid and volatile gun nut. Still doesn't mean he didn't think he was shooting at an intruder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 He may well be a paranoid and volatile gun nut. Still doesn't mean he didn't think he was shooting at an intruder. Tis true, but if he heard something, like someone breaking in, you'd think he would have asked Reeva if she heard it as well and waited for her response. Why would you shoot at someone, intruder or not, without seeing their face ? Why go towards the toilet, where he believed the intruder to be and so on the attack as it were. What were they going to burgle in the toilet ? Why not wait until they come out the toilet then question / threaten them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Tis true, but if he heard something, like someone breaking in, you'd think he would have asked Reeva if she heard it as well and waited for her response. Why would you shoot at someone, intruder or not, without seeing their face ? Why go towards the toilet, where he believed the intruder to be and so on the attack as it were. What were they going to burgle in the toilet ? Why not wait until they come out the toilet then question / threaten them ? Because he probably feels more vulnarable as a handicap with no legs. Well thats what he'll say. I reckon he knew it was her but didnt mean to kill her. I think im in the "trying to blow the door down in a fit of rage" camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 What were they going to burgle in the toilet ? He's got it in for turd burglars as well? There's no place for people with that attitude in the 21st century. Throw away the key!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Closing arguments today and tomorrow. Prosecution on now / defence probably tomorrow. Sky News covering it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Closing arguments today and tomorrow. Prosecution on now / defence probably tomorrow. Sky News covering it. Has to be one of the longest trials in history. Working in OP favour imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXX Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 It's interesting to see the difference between barristers' performances in jury trials, and the Judge-only system in South Africa. Neither counsel has to play on the emotions of twelve members of the public. They're talking entirely to the Judge, who already has the jist of both arguments because she's been given the summaries in hard copy, and who cares mainly about being supplied with reasons to come to a watertight conclusion. I don't imagine Roux and Nel can make much all that difference to the outcome at this stage - everyone's just going through the motions because the court system requires it. It gives Roux the chance to impress his client with a flashy performance. Masipa comes across as sensible and a stickler for detail - all this Roux grandstanding is for another audience than her, I feel. Michelle Berger's evidence is very important. She could never have known her description of the shots would match the ballistics evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkrockcroc Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 5 years for manslaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 OP to be sentenced 11th September Hope the judge doesn't bottle it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXX Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I didn't see Assessors or Judge making many notes during Roux's argument. Moves are already in place for an immediate appeal of anything other than a complete acquittal. Even if Oscar is convicted and sentenced to 25 years, he will be OUT on bail, again, until the conclusion of the appeal/ re-trial. South Africa justice at its utter worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Still suspect he'll be acquitted. I think we all know what really happened though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 Judgement day tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Am I right in saying there are four possible outcomes? - Premeditated murder - Unplanned murder - Culpable homicide - Not guilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 Am I right in saying there are four possible outcomes? - Premeditated murder - Unplanned murder - Culpable homicide - Not guilty He can't be found not guilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 He can't be found not guilty Incorrect. He can be found not guilty on all charges. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-potential-verdicts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) My guess; Not Guilty of premeditated murder. Guilty on firearm charges - outcome, fine. Guilty of culpable homicide - 1 or 2 year sentence given "his circumstances". Vulnerable, legless man in fear of his life during a burglary. Just feel they can't prove beyond all reasonable doubt what we all think happened that night. Edited September 10, 2014 by Sten Guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 Incorrect. He can be found not guilty on all charges. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-potential-verdicts I find that bizarre considering there is no doubt that he killed her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 OP to be sentenced 11th September Hope the judge doesn't bottle it No mention of 9/11 yet on 5 live. I've been listening since c. 6 am. Time passes eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He'll get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hopefully he goes free, deserves a second chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Get on with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 judge reading through detailed summary of case - some journalists saying it could be a long day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Stinkfinger Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Looking good for the poor wee Lamb at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The judge is dismissing evidence left, right and centre. He's getting off with it, isnt he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) judge has dismissed a lot of state evidence including arguing beforehand (no evidence this took place), phone messages (just normal in relationships) and food in stomach (science is inconclusive). But judge going through OP thinking in shooting didn't sound good for him ie gun just went off. Edited September 11, 2014 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 It's a cert he'll get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Given the judge has completely dismantled the state case, it's hard to see him not getting a good result now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Barry Roux was handed a bundle of papers and whispered: "Is that the judgement? Really?" Seems OP will be found not guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Not guilty of pre meditated murder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Premeditated murder charge dropped from Sky News app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 State fails to prove premeditated murder. Judge going through a load of reference cases just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Think she's working to decide that he had no intention to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hopefully he goes free, deserves a second chance. Joke post , right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Think she's working to decide that he had no intention to kill. To be honest I can kind of see where she is coming from. The boy is a bit unhinged and weapons obsessed, they have a huge fight and she runs into the bathroom so he shoots the door to scare the shit out of her. Not being rational enough at the time to consider that the chances are she'll be shot, then having a "WTF have I done" moment. The whole intruder thing is still BS though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 To be honest I can kind of see where she is coming from. The boy is a bit unhinged and weapons obsessed, they have a huge fight and she runs into the bathroom so he shoots the door to scare the shit out of her. Not being rational enough at the time to consider that the chances are she'll be shot, then having a "WTF have I done" moment. The whole intruder thing is still BS though. But she has decided that he believed he was shooting at an intruder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal Kingston Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Christ she's going on a bit. All looks pretty positive for Pistorious. Looks like they have believed every word of his story . Edited September 11, 2014 by Regal Kingston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 But she has decided that he believed he was shooting at an intruder. In that case the law is an ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He'll get culpable homicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Judge says that when he shot through the door he acted unlawfully. So he must have to be found guilty of something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 They're taking lunch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) I think he'll get culpable homicide. If not then there's something very wrong! Edited September 11, 2014 by scottish_chicP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 what a piss take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I find it quite weird when people complain about the outcome of murder trails etc. Do you know more than the judge? The person who has been provided with and has thoroughly reviewed all the evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think he'll get culpable homicide. If not then there's something very wrong! The press are reporting that this is the sentence the judge will pass. Max 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 She did say it didn't make sense how Steenkamp didn't respond when he shouted to call the Police. Nice sense of drama in breaking for lunch just before culpible homicide verdict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Bus Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 She did say it didn't make sense how Steenkamp didn't respond when he shouted to call the Police. And he didn't check if she was lying in bed beside him??...... Surely that would be the first thing you'd notice. "Hold up, there's someone banging about in my bathroom!!!" *Turns head and sees no one there "Ah, it's just her taking a slash" Baffling to entertain the intruder notion..... Utterly outlandish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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