Tommy Wiseau Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Right....................erm, was the marvellous Zal not in partnership with Webster to make the 2nd best defence in the league? ...Would Zal have coped any better if in Webster`s situation? We`ll never know i suppose but debatable. Careful, D4. You're forgetting who I'm replying to there. With regards to the "would Zal have coped any better" part, the evidence suggests that he would have. When he plays, we concede less, when he doesn't, we concede more and lose more. There is little evidence of that with Webster, as much as I think he is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 We had the second best defence in the league when Zaliukas was fit. Now it's the 7th best with "captain Webster" taking charge. That's a strange one, eh Winston? You wouldn't think that when "captain Webster" is so good and "bombscare" is so bad, would you? Tommy, your love of Zal is indeed unhealthy On most threads it's having a pop at Webby and how we miss "the great Zal" bla bla I do agree that Zal is more than likely being missed, but it's the shite in front of Webby and not him that's the problem As Winnie has continually suggested, where are all these top clubs queuing up to sign our Lithuanian Beckenbeur?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedevries Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 How did the Dundee boy not get booked after scoring? Practically over the Tay bridge before he came back on the park! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Next thing is. Somebody will come on here claiming twenty six handed Dundee six points this season on a plate,with a penalty at Tynecastle,and giving away a free kick at Dens. No answer to my question, but a poor effort at a troll instead. Your heart isn't in this game anymore, Winston Sad to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Right....................erm, was the marvellous Zal not in partnership with Webster to make the 2nd best defence in the league? ...Would Zal have coped any better if in Webster`s situation? We`ll never know i suppose but debatable. Seeing as Webster's absences in the team were barely noticed when Zal was there I think it's pretty clear that we already know, or at least those that aren't blinded by "Zal seethe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Careful, D4. You're forgetting who I'm replying to there. With regards to the "would Zal have coped any better" part, the evidence suggests that he would have. When he plays, we concede less, when he doesn't, we concede more and lose more. There is little evidence of that with Webster, as much as I think he is good. haha...i suppose. Like you say though, little evidence without Webster because he`s actually been fit for most of the season......the problem has been the splitting up of a solid partnership. While we probably should have adapted better its always hard to develop a solid understanding very quickly with someone new. Wilson may come good with a pre- season at Hearts and have gained more experience but i always wondered who would be a good stop gap for us if either Zal or Webby got injured? I don`t think we really had one and had to hope the main two stayed fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Seeing as Webster's absences in the team were barely noticed when Zal was there I think it's pretty clear that we already know, or at least those that aren't blinded by "Zal seethe". Zal seethe? ffs, i think most Hearts fans like Zal......They just don`t give him head over the internet at every opportunity like some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Tommy, your love of Zal is indeed unhealthy On most threads it's having a pop at Webby and how we miss "the great Zal" bla bla I do agree that Zal is more than likely being missed, but it's the shite in front of Webby and not him that's the problem As Winnie has continually suggested, where are all these top clubs queuing up to sign our Lithuanian Beckenbeur?? Please feel free to show me anywhere I have had a pop at Webster's ability. As I have said time and time and time again, I think he is a very good SPL defender, although not the player he was when he left first time. I have, when merited, questioned whether he is offering enough in terms of form or leadership, and I fail to see how that is out of order after the season he has had. If you're going to wire in, Clerry, at least get it right ffs. Pretty poor diving in to defend Winston and his trolling, especially when you've made it up to suit. PS. Who actually gives a **** who is in or not in for Zaliukas? All that matters is how he performs for Hearts and, as it happens, he is our best player by a mile and arguably the best centre back in the league - certainly the most important to his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fermit the Krog Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thankfully the judas arsehole will be gone soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Please feel free to show me anywhere I have had a pop at Webster's ability. As I have said time and time and time again, I think he is a very good SPL defender, although not the player he was when he left first time. I have, when merited, questioned whether he is offering enough in terms of form or leadership, and I fail to see how that is out of order after the season he has had. If you're going to wire in, Clerry, at least get it right ffs. Pretty poor diving in to defend Winston and his trolling, especially when you've made it up to suit. PS. Who actually gives a **** who is in or not in for Zaliukas? All that matters is how he performs for Hearts and, as it happens, he is our best player by a mile and arguably the best centre back in the league - certainly the most important to his team. Bwahaaha, "wiring in", av no even started with you Tommy lad!!!!! Anyway, Webby and Zal are not the main problem we have, I think we all agree that other areas of the team need "severe" strengthening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 haha...i suppose. Like you say though, little evidence without Webster because he`s actually been fit for most of the season......the problem has been the splitting up of a solid partnership. While we probably should have adapted better its always hard to develop a solid understanding very quickly with someone new. Wilson may come good with a pre- season at Hearts and have gained more experience but i always wondered who would be a good stop gap for us if either Zal or Webby got injured? I don`t think we really had one and had to hope the main two stayed fit. It's fair to say that Webster has been consistently fit over the last 2 seasons, so you are working with a smaller sample, and yes, the replacements haven't cut the mustard really. Danny Wilson and Andy Webster should be more than good enough for this level of football though, it is worrying they haven't been. Anyway, I only got involved in this to point out to Winston that his trolling was riddled with plot holes and I've not seen the game from today, so I'll leave you lot to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If Dundee stay up.They should invite twenty six to their player of the year bash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thought Webster did enough to win a foul before the first booking. If the second one was a booking every centre half in every game would be getting sent off. It was just 2 boys going for a header, nothing more. As an aside, when was the last time a centre half got sent off for 2 fouls. That ref was really shite today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 His first booking was merited, guy went past him and he tugged his shirt. Second, I will have to wait and see on any TV replays. It looked fairly innocuous at the game, and not deserving of a yellow card which meant a sending off, a different angle might show something else. Did it change the game, I'm not honestly convinced it did, apart from the deflection, which led to their goal I think both teams could have played all day and all night and never managed to score. It was, unfortunately, one of those games that can be summed up with the phrase end of season stuff. Might have been more disappointed in what was on offer if it had been full price for entry, but at ?10 I suppose you just have to take it on the chin and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If Dundee stay up.They should invite twenty six to their player of the year bash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If Dundee stay up.They should invite twenty six to their player of the year bash. Can they also invite you. And can you stay there? For good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 He may also have played a part in Hibernians winning our cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertonian_II Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Whether the bookings were merited or not, it sounds like he's been pretty hopeless for most of this season. It's become more evident since Zal's been out, granted. Maybe this is an overreaction from someone who doesn't get to see a many games as they'd like to, but at the moment I wouldn't be fussed at all if he heads elsewhere, especially given our financial situation. Aside from a host of less than stellar performances, he doesn't strike me as a leader on or off the park. Best of luck and all that, and thanks for your contribution to last year, but the time may have come to part ways. Have to disagree. Websters been one of our more consistent performers this season. Seems like his sending off was very harsh. No problem with him being captain after Zaliukas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 He may also have played a part in Hibernians winning our cup No joy in getting a hobby/life then Winston? Still winding up internet strangers on a Saturday night? Ach well, chin up mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thankfully the judas arsehole will be gone soon. You're an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Stroller was unlucky with his 2nd booking but accepted it like a man and a good captain of our club. Some of the comments on here are embarrassing. As for winston, stop feeding the wee twisted troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thankfully the judas arsehole will be gone soon. Do one! This shows how low KB standards have dropped in recent years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thankfully the judas arsehole will be gone soon. Kickback is for arseholes................................. sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JI TEES Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 dundee are down who gives a **** anyway. 'bomber' brown is a tit and even tho our record is shocking against them this season they are in the 1st division and we're no. Webster please stay!! our season finished after chucking the cup final. lets concentrate on next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 If Dundee stay up.They should invite twenty six to their player of the year bash. Unless St Mirren are docked points or Dundee are awarded extra, about as much chance as us qualifying for Europe....... Unless I heard wrong on the news, Dundee are down?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Unless St Mirren are docked points or Dundee are awarded extra, about as much chance as us qualifying for Europe....... Unless I heard wrong on the news, Dundee are down?! 9 points remaining, 8 behind mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 No joy in getting a hobby/life then Winston? Still winding up internet strangers on a Saturday night? Ach well, chin up mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Is that his first sending off for us? I can't remember another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 That should never been a second booking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Whether Webster should have been sent off or not - time for him to go. We should not show him any loyalty - he hardly showed any to us. I was not keen when he re-signed for us - but he got his head down and has mostly played well for us since. He is getting older and slower and I dont think he is now the man to be our leader at the back (presuming Zal goes). Even with a reduced wage, we can get a better experienced centre back who is not "passed his prime". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 9 points remaining, 8 behind mate. BBC at its best reporting late yesterday they were down despite winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
main Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I like Webster and I think he is a very good player and his sending off was very harsh from a ridiculous 'referee'. However, I do think it is time he steps up and takes more responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I've never seen a player get so bad so quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I've never seen a player get so bad so quickly Its because Zal's not there to hold his hand. Webster has only ever performed well when he's got another dominant centre half alongside him. Pressley, Zal or even that donut Gary Kenneth. If Lockie's gonna keep Webster next season he'd be as well not signing Danny Wilson and going for a big lump like Fraser Wright to partner him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Its because Zal's not there to hold his hand. Webster has only ever performed well when he's got another dominant centre half alongside him. Pressley, Zal or even that donut Gary Kenneth. If Lockie's gonna keep Webster next season he'd be as well not signing Danny Wilson and going for a big lump like Fraser Wright to partner him. Correct. Our defence has been a collective bombscare since Zaliukas got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Correct. Our defence has been a collective bombscare since Zaliukas got injured. Not so long since the intellectuals on here were calling Zaliukas the bombscare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Correct. Our defence has been a collective bombscare since Zaliukas got injured. Truer words are seldom uttered. I shudder to think where we could have been this season if Zal wasn't around for most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Not so long since the intellectuals on here were calling Zaliukas the bombscare More a brainfart man than a bombscare to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Webster is a ******* knob, and a bog standard defender. I can't actually comprehend anyone who still thinks he is a better player than Zal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 It's a pity nobody rates twenty six outside JKB. Has he signed a pre contract with anybody ? Is the Russian transfer window still open ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 We defo have missed Zal but I think people are underestimating the loss of Ryan McGowan to our defence as well. Right back has been a real problem for us in the second half of this season. Can't lay all the blame for that at Websters door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 We defo have missed Zal but I think people are underestimating the loss of Ryan McGowan to our defence as well. Right back has been a real problem for us in the second half of this season. Can't lay all the blame for that at Websters door You can also chuck Granger into the mix. Why would a club in China pay half a million for a guy playing out of position,but not touch old twenty six with a barge pole ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 It's a pity nobody rates twenty six outside JKB. Has he signed a pre contract with anybody ? Is the Russian transfer window still open ? It's a pity you became an utter parody of yourself several months ago and are now one of the most, if not the most, tragic people on the planet. I'LL GO ON A SHITE HEARTS WEBSITE AND SAY NEGATIVE THINGS BECAUSE IT REALLY ANNOYS PEOPLE. HUR HUR HUR. Except it doesn't, does it? Poor wee man. *ruffles hair* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Second booking was for a total fair challenge. Both went for the ball and Webster was looking at the ball the entire time. It should of been let go but Beaton been having a nightmare lately and was worse when at Tynie a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 It's a pity nobody rates twenty six outside JKB. suppose we'll just wait and see how the player of the year voting goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Dale Cooper Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Whether Webster should have been sent off or not - time for him to go. We should not show him any loyalty - he hardly showed any to us. I was not keen when he re-signed for us - but he got his head down and has mostly played well for us since. He is getting older and slower and I dont think he is now the man to be our leader at the back (presuming Zal goes). Even with a reduced wage, we can get a better experienced centre back who is not "passed his prime". This for me. He isn't worth keeping in the 'upper-wage bracket'. Also, he can do one if he expects any loyalty, or thanks from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Webster is a ******* knob, and a bog standard defender. I can't actually comprehend anyone who still thinks he is a better player than Zal Webster was long ago an established quality defender....at the age of around 23 he played his part in an historic Hearts season before his contract episode. He was quality at an early age and its alot of absolute sheight about him needing someone quality beside him. Bunch of wee laddies on here that only see what they want to see............. Maybe if Webster was as wacky as Zal by riding on a kids amusement ride he`d be as much as hero as Big Zal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Webster was long ago an established quality defender....at the age of around 23 he played his part in an historic Hearts season before his contract episode. He was quality at an early age and its alot of absolute sheight about him needing someone quality beside him. Bunch of wee laddies on here that only see what they want to see............. Maybe if Webster was as wacky as Zal by riding on a kids amusement ride he`d be as much as hero as Big Zal? or if he had the same leadership skills or if he didn't get outmuscled by every striker that comes near him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 or if he had the same leadership skills or if he didn't get outmuscled by every striker that comes near him Listen mate, the fact is Webster has helped Zal blossom. Zal has only matured in the last couple of seasons , probably under JJ in 2010/11 season when Webster came backwas when it started.. Webster was immense in many games back then, its clear injury has slowly or is slowly hampering Webster.............Webster may not play much longer at SPL level than 33,34 if lucky, that says it all but the guy is a very good defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Listen mate, the fact is Webster has helped Zal blossom. Zal has only matured in the last couple of seasons , probably under JJ in 2010/11 season when Webster came backwas when it started.. Webster was immense in many games back then, its clear injury has slowly or is slowly hampering Webster.............Webster may not play much longer at SPL level than 33,34 if lucky, that says it all but the guy is a very good defender. Sorry man, but that is a myth. Zaliukas was a key figure in 09/10 when we finished third, and our results turned immediately disastrous when he was frozen out in 10/11 - all before Webster arrived. I like Webster and think they have formed a good partnership, but giving him credit for Zaliukas' development really irritates me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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