Hagar the Horrible Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Lone Striker said: A bit strange that he rejected Ash Regan's demands (which were fairly mild and non-controversial) - which suggests he felt under pressure generally as FM, and just decided enough was enough. Don't under play this, if he went with her, he would have peeved the greens off more so, and to put an unachievable INDY as top of the list, would peeve of the electorate more. A new leader needs to set her stall out (yeah i said her). Stop the decisive politics first, OK that will upset some, but stop pandering to a minority at the expense of the country. Kate wants Indy but when its able to do so, Ash wants it now....The country needs a leader who can work with labour and the toareez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 What is this Scottish National identity thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Fair play to him for having the integrity to stand down quickly without letting this drag on to long. He was absolutely shite though. I really struggled with my vote in the last leadership election (ended up going for Forbes despite not agreeing with her across the board) so hopefully some better candidates emerge this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 17 minutes ago, henryheart said: The UK is a nation in the same way that the USA is. I don't have a Scottish identity. As a city dweller I have much more in common with people in other cities within the UK than I do with people who live in geographically remoter rural areas such as the highlands of Scotland or Cornwall, for example. People in New York City will have more inn common with people in Chicago than they will with those in Virginia for example. What you suggest is that a person living a hundred yards north of the imaginary boundary between Scotland and England has a Scottish identity and those living just south of the boundary have an English identity. That is just fantasy. I don't have a Scottish identity. As a city dweller I have much more in common with people in other cities within the UK than I do with people who live in geographically remoter rural areas such as the highlands of Scotland or Cornwall, for example. Ask the Irish just south of the NI border if they are Irish or British 6 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Wales is a Principality. Point taken but that is a question for the Welsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 18 minutes ago, henryheart said: The UK is a nation in the same way that the USA is. I don't have a Scottish identity. As a city dweller I have much more in common with people in other cities within the UK than I do with people who live in geographically remoter rural areas such as the highlands of Scotland or Cornwall, for example. People in New York City will have more inn common with people in Chicago than they will with those in Virginia for example. What you suggest is that a person living a hundred yards north of the imaginary boundary between Scotland and England has a Scottish identity and those living just south of the boundary have an English identity. That is just fantasy. I don't have a Scottish identity. As a city dweller I have much more in common with people in other cities within the UK than I do with people who live in geographically remoter rural areas such as the highlands of Scotland or Cornwall, for example. I guess that continental Europe is a mystery to you. Though as a resident of Edinburgh, I'll be keen to explore my chances of paying a lower Council Tax in Fife because all those manmade boundaries are just fantasy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 15 minutes ago, OTT said: The level of hate towards Salmond within the SNP is quite something. And outwith the SNP too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: I guess that continental Europe is a mystery to you. Though as a resident of Edinburgh, I'll be keen to explore my chances of paying a lower Council Tax in Fife because all those manmade boundaries are just fantasy... Funny how voting No meant they were just as scottish as anyone else. Now Scottish doesn’t even exist 🤣🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 One of challenges here in choosing a new leader, is for the first time they will be facing being out of power whether by a vote of MSPs or at the next Scottish Parliament election which is looking like a unionist coalition. They have been so used to being in power. Why probably John Swinney makes sense as a transition candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 13 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Wales is a Principality. No it's not. It hasn't been for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 19 minutes ago, OTT said: The level of hate towards Salmond within the SNP is quite something. I detest the sight of that man now. His sole reason for existence is to attack the SG while promoting himself and the lunatic fringe that is the Alba party. Thankfully our FM was not prepared to do a deal with the turncoat Regan; hopefully Alba will be finished for good at the next election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 12 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Wales is a Principality. tbf, thats a throwback to the English Royal wars of the middle ages, perpetuated by Royal titles & historic nonsense. If Scotland had been ever been designated as a Principality, we'd probably have voted for independence by now out of a sense of anger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehcaley Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 26 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Vote of no confidence still on then. Was what I was wondering ,does the Labour motion still carry on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Coward, running out of the room without taking any questions from the many reporters sitting there. As one shouted, "first minister you have left the party in a worse state than you found it" 😃😀😁😄🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Even the most ardent rabid flag shagger Nationalist must realise the dream is now over. Humza didn't realise how much he'd upset the perverts masquerading as Environmentalists... Oh ma sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Gundermann said: And outwith the SNP too. Weirdly those on the other side of the debate don't seem to hate him as much as the SNP supporters though. I suspect he shines quite a light on their own failures vis a a vis a route to achieving independence, perhaps that's what pushes their buttons so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, XB52 said: I detest the sight of that man now. His sole reason for existence is to attack the SG while promoting himself and the lunatic fringe that is the Alba party. Thankfully our FM was not prepared to do a deal with the turncoat Regan; hopefully Alba will be finished for good at the next election Which part of Albas proposals were anything resembling a lunatic fringe? - Develop a cohesive strategy for Independence, can you even tell me the SNPs strategy? Focus on things people actually care about (like the economy, housing, education & health). If we want to talk about lunatic fringe, look no further than Maggie Chapman... What unreasonable criticisms have Alba thrown at the government ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, ehcaley said: Was what I was wondering ,does the Labour motion still carry on? Labour one is on the Scottish Government. Maybe a rethink though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I'm guessing it's over to Lorna and Patrick at the Queer Gardeners Party to decide who they fancy as the next FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 4 minutes ago, XB52 said: I detest the sight of that man now. His sole reason for existence is to attack the SG while promoting himself and the lunatic fringe that is the Alba party. Thankfully our FM was not prepared to do a deal with the turncoat Regan; hopefully Alba will be finished for good at the next election Regan will be livid, even more than usual. She knows she'll lose her seat at the next election whereas the SNP could still be the largest party after that election leaving her and Abla nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I would guess that Kate Forbes will be thinking about her longer term political career rather than the country. She will make her play when the time suits her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehcaley Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, Mikey1874 said: Labour one is on the Scottish Government. Maybe a rethink though. Just heard Labour going ahead.Tory Hoy avoided question,they don't want election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryheart Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: I guess that continental Europe is a mystery to you. Though as a resident of Edinburgh, I'll be keen to explore my chances of paying a lower Council Tax in Fife because all those manmade boundaries are just fantasy... You guess wrong. I was responding to a point about boundaries and how they impact or otherwise on peoples perception or understanding of who they are; the so called 'Scottish identity' as referred to by the poster. I wasn't suggesting that there are no such things as boundaries but rather that for many of us they have no impact on our identity as people. To use an equivalent of your example, I don't see the fact that having to pay higher taxes because I live in Scotland rather than elsewhere in the UK contributes to my identity as a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Carter said: Even the most ardent rabid flag shagger Nationalist must realise the dream is now over. Humza didn't realise how much he'd upset the perverts masquerading as Environmentalists... Oh ma sides Scarily accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 So was his biggest achievement getting the in laws out of Gaza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Good riddance to bad rubbish . A horrendous, divisive character . A charlatan . Another man who can’t tell you what a woman is . A man willing to place male rapists in women’s prisons . A man diverting money from Scotland to dubious causes . Piss off into oblivion and join that other complete failure Sturgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddiepolio3 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I'm writing a strongly worded letter to Labour that all they need to do is realign our tax bands with the rest of the UK and they've got my vote (they've got it anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 minutes ago, Carter said: Even the most ardent rabid flag shagger Nationalist must realise the dream is now over. Humza didn't realise how much he'd upset the perverts masquerading as Environmentalists... Oh ma sides 👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said: Scarily accurate. Harvie will not countenance any of the findings of the Cass Report. Puberty blockers should continue to be prescribed to children according to those people. He's a despicable deviant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, Eddiepolio3 said: I'm writing a strongly worded letter to Labour that all they need to do is realign our tax bands with the rest of the UK and they've got my vote (they've got it anyway) Basically that for me plus getting a clear understanding on what they believe a woman to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Sturgeons one woman destruction of the SNP continues. Don’t think anyone can really be surprised or unhappy this has happened. The SNP need an absolute shoeing. If Humza was the answer wtf was the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 8 minutes ago, OTT said: Which part of Albas proposals were anything resembling a lunatic fringe? - Develop a cohesive strategy for Independence, can you even tell me the SNPs strategy? Focus on things people actually care about (like the economy, housing, education & health). If we want to talk about lunatic fringe, look no further than Maggie Chapman... What unreasonable criticisms have Alba thrown at the government ? It's more about the people involved in Abla. Abla themselves are at war with one founding member leaving recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micole Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Well he's chucked it....let the feeding frenzy begin...🫣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Carter said: Harvie will not countenance any of the findings of the Cass Report. Puberty blockers should continue to be prescribed to children according to those people. He's a despicable deviant. He’s a creep. Dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Sturgeons one woman destruction of the SNP continues. Don’t think anyone can really be surprised or unhappy this has happened. The SNP need an absolute shoeing. If Humza was the answer wtf was the question. You lot were more than happy to lap up her disgusting sneering ways for years. It's all come home to roost now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 12 minutes ago, Carter said: Even the most ardent rabid flag shagger Nationalist must realise the dream is now over. Humza didn't realise how much he'd upset the perverts masquerading as Environmentalists... Oh ma sides That says so much about you. A proud bigot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: He’s a creep. Dangerous They have deeply nefarious intentions. Why they were ever brought into the fold by Sturgeon in a binding capacity was always troubling. I don't think our former FM is all that she seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 7 minutes ago, henryheart said: You guess wrong. I was responding to a point about boundaries and how they impact or otherwise on peoples perception or understanding of who they are; the so called 'Scottish identity' as referred to by the poster. I wasn't suggesting that there are no such things as boundaries but rather that for many of us they have no impact on our identity as people. To use an equivalent of your example, I don't see the fact that having to pay higher taxes because I live in Scotland rather than elsewhere in the UK contributes to my identity as a person. Scottish identity is open to anyone who chooses to live here. As to the border, it's one of the oldest national boundaries in the world and the Saltire one of the oldest flags. And aye, I've got more in common with an ordinary Mancunian - or Dubliner or Berliner - than with the Duke of Athol but solidarity and internationalism doesn't demand political union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, XB52 said: That says so much about you. A proud bigot You seem a little bit upset. Have you just taken a shit and stamped in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKongUno Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Carter said: Harvie will not countenance any of the findings of the Cass Report. Puberty blockers should continue to be prescribed to children according to those people. He's a despicable deviant. Absolute ersehole of a man . His sidekick slater is just as bad. Pair of them should be locked up , Harvie in Corntonvale and Slater in Saughton Edited April 29 by JimKongUno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Carter said: You lot were more than happy to lap up her disgusting sneering ways for years. It's all come home to roost now. You sound hurt. Snowflake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, Carter said: You lot were more than happy to lap up her disgusting sneering ways for years. It's all come home to roost now. My lot?? Who’s my lot Never really a fan of Sturgeon. If you can show me any post to the contrary I’ll happily accept that I’m in with “that lot” This is you who claimed you voted Yes did you not? Was she no “your lot” too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 A few upset nationalists again today Upset they've backed the wrong horse. Again Although you won't find many admitting to have backed that horse in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Gundermann said: You sound hurt. Snowflake. I'm like a dog with two cocks today son 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: My lot?? Who’s my lot Never really a fan of Sturgeon. If you can show me any post to the contrary I’ll happily accept that I’m in with “that lot” This is you who claimed you voted Yes did you not? Was she no “your lot” too? I can assure you I never voted Yes. You're getting me mixed up with someone else. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 He was total s*ite, and on that basis, good riddance. I’m bored of the SNP to be honest, hope there’s a general election soon and they get whitewashed. Don’t think there’s an appetite for independence anymore, and just about every aspect of daily life has been deteriorating up here for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 minutes ago, Carter said: You seem a little bit upset. Have you just taken a shit and stamped in it? I'm more than happy with the fact that I don't hate minorities. No doubt you are happy in your hatred for anyone not the exact same as you. I feel sorry for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Carter said: I'm like a dog with two cocks today son 👍 That's some going for a bitch😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: A few upset nationalists again today Upset they've backed the wrong horse. Again Although you won't find many admitting to have backed that horse in the first place. Think you'll find it was a donkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Gundermann said: It's more about the people involved in Abla. Abla themselves are at war with one founding member leaving recently. Do you have any idea how childish it looks that you keep deliberately making a typo on their name? Its petulant beyond belief Are you talking about the whole Eva Comrie situation ? Bit of a mess, but hardly unusual. Alba want a well known name running for Grangemouth because it will increase the likelihood of support. Not much different to Angus Robertson getting the nod for the Edinburgh Central seat, or how exactly Anum Qasair got the Airdrie seat. Parties are entitled to push candidates who they feel have the greatest likelihood of success. Sucks for Eva, and I don't necessarily agree but it is what it is. On it now being the people, I'm sorry that doesn't wash. Either they are lunatics, and there is examples of that. Or they're not and you just don't like them. You can admit you just don't like them. Nothing wrong with that, and at least its not disingenuous rubbish. But just to be absolutely clear, there were multiple occasions over the last 4 years where Sturgeon, Humza, Jenny Gilruth, Shona Robison and others have been unable to define a woman and tied themselves in knots over the Isla Bryson case. That is lunacy, and it was done partly because Sturgeon was drinking the GRA koolaid, and partly to march to the drum beat of the greens and lunatics like Maggie Chapman. So if we're going to throw terms like lunatic about, lets be accurate and specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 23 minutes ago, Carter said: Even the most ardent rabid flag shagger Nationalist must realise the dream is now over. Humza didn't realise how much he'd upset the perverts masquerading as Environmentalists... Oh ma sides Cracks me up the delusion of unionists on here SNP leader resigns so independence dream must be over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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