Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 17 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Nobody said anything about her leading anything No-one? 8 hours ago, doctor jambo said: we need a "boss" not the current spineless flip flappers Ash Regan would do To which you replied: 8 hours ago, AyrJambo said: Cherry 1st for me Has the constitutional nous needed and a bit of steel about her Then Regan Forbes not so sure about her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 18 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Did you consider Jack Charlton to be a turncoat when as a former England international football player he became manager of ROI? Of course not. But if he'd left (for example) the Labour Party to join (for example) the Liberal Democrats, I would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Ulysses said: No-one? To which you replied: I stand corrected! Caught up in the heat of the moment She would make good fist of leading Alba though Can't speak for @drjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: She would make good fist of leading Alba though She could do, though I couldn't say. She doesn't strike me as having the same degree of "impact" as some other figures in Scottish politics, and I include Forbes and Cherry in that, but I don't see them all in action as often as you might. Of course, unless Salmond calls it quits with Alba, she won't get the chance to lead them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Amazing to think that 89 years of work went into the SNP to bring them to where they were, from supporting Adolf during the war to being Scotland's most popular party for well over a decade. As they approach 90 years old along comes the rancid Hamas supporter and smashes a wrecking ball through it. Lovely stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, TallPaul said: Amazing to think that 89 years of work went into the SNP to bring them to where they were, from supporting Adolf during the war to being Scotland's most popular party for well over a decade. As they approach 90 years old along comes the rancid Hamas supporter and smashes a wrecking ball through it. Lovely stuff. I don't think you are giving the Murrells enough credit for their part in the downfall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Anyone else hear Gillian Mackay (literally) crying on the radio about the break down of the relationship between the SNP and the Greens? Guess this is a generational thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That thing you do Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 The fact is you need two independence parties to win a Holyrood election One on the vote one on the list. Whatever the SNP are, they have not been a party of independence since Sturgeonism came in. Her husband was a big voice behind that by the way. There are good politicians in the SNP but sadly there's sturgeonites too. The sturgeonites and extremists (wokerati) need to leave (and join the greens who are equally loony) So SNP in current state isn't 1 of the 2 and if anything it needs a split with the sane element creating a new party or Sturgeon charged so that they can take back the SNP. The Greens meanwhile have removed independence from their leaflets and are prepared to vote with unionists over Humza so I'm not sure they know what they stand for. Alba is a party of independence and I remember Salmonds words after his trial "the truth will be revealed" and I believe the truth is Murrell manufactured the accusations against him and he will either be a character witness at his prosecution or it will turn out he found out what Murrell and Sturgeon were up to. Either way I see him and ALBA gaining traction post prosecution. Alba though would be a 2 vote. What does that leave? Until it all comes out in the wash I can't see a majority for independence in Holyrood for 1-2 elections ie 5 to 10 years maybe 15. When it does come round and happens, the "generation" will have passed from 2014 and they'll be in on a mandate for a referendum vote again. Short term, Indy is dead as theres no credible path to it, though support for it is high and the longer Brexit is a disaster the longer that will linger. It is what it is. Independence is tge best route for Scotland but I don't see it next 15 years which is really depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 22 hours ago, Japan Jambo said: I'm actually serious, but in fairness I do understand why you may think I'm not, obviously I have no wish for him to succeed. He is a once in a generation politician - I'm genuinely astounded that so many have fallen for a botched hatchet job. If people are serious about independence he should be their only vote. 🤷♂️ To be fair I thought it was a decent effort 👌 Salmond is yesterday's man. He's a wily political figure but he's not what the wider independence movement needs to go forward or to keep the younger voters engaged Before you ask I've got no idea who is 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 9 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: To be fair I thought it was a decent effort 👌 Salmond is yesterday's man. He's a wily political figure but he's not what the wider independence movement needs to go forward or to keep the younger voters engaged Before you ask I've got no idea who is 🤷♂️ 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: To be fair I thought it was a decent effort 👌 Salmond is yesterday's man. He's a wily political figure but he's not what the wider independence movement needs to go forward or to keep the younger voters engaged Before you ask I've got no idea who is 🤷♂️ Tainted after the sleepy cuddles case. Alba polling about 2% just now and he didn't get them Indy at his last attempt. They need someone younger and fresher, who doesn't tell them the constant lies that indy will happen soon while knowing it won't. But we will get more of the same, its all they have for the donkeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 15 hours ago, AyrJambo said: Total cluster**** now... https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-labyrinth-of-stupidity/ the formatting of that website is shocking. Felt like i was transported back to AOL days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said: Anyone else hear Gillian Mackay (literally) crying on the radio about the break down of the relationship between the SNP and the Greens? Guess this is a generational thing. Yes I saw it on the news last night . It was pathetic really . Not being able to contain your emotions is rather immature really . It’s not like she was talking about a bereavement or something . I could understand that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: To be fair I thought it was a decent effort 👌 Salmond is yesterday's man. He's a wily political figure but he's not what the wider independence movement needs to go forward or to keep the younger voters engaged Before you ask I've got no idea who is 🤷♂️ Salmond should take a back seat at Alba and let Regan lead it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 11 hours ago, Boris said: We need more shite! 😋 farmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, That thing you do said: The fact is you need two independence parties to win a Holyrood election One on the vote one on the list. Whatever the SNP are, they have not been a party of independence since Sturgeonism came in. Her husband was a big voice behind that by the way. There are good politicians in the SNP but sadly there's sturgeonites too. The sturgeonites and extremists (wokerati) need to leave (and join the greens who are equally loony) So SNP in current state isn't 1 of the 2 and if anything it needs a split with the sane element creating a new party or Sturgeon charged so that they can take back the SNP. The Greens meanwhile have removed independence from their leaflets and are prepared to vote with unionists over Humza so I'm not sure they know what they stand for. Alba is a party of independence and I remember Salmonds words after his trial "the truth will be revealed" and I believe the truth is Murrell manufactured the accusations against him and he will either be a character witness at his prosecution or it will turn out he found out what Murrell and Sturgeon were up to. Either way I see him and ALBA gaining traction post prosecution. Alba though would be a 2 vote. What does that leave? Until it all comes out in the wash I can't see a majority for independence in Holyrood for 1-2 elections ie 5 to 10 years maybe 15. When it does come round and happens, the "generation" will have passed from 2014 and they'll be in on a mandate for a referendum vote again. Short term, Indy is dead as theres no credible path to it, though support for it is high and the longer Brexit is a disaster the longer that will linger. It is what it is. Independence is tge best route for Scotland but I don't see it next 15 years which is really depressing. A big problem remains the upcoming Salmond anti Scottish Government trial. Moving on from the Sturgeon era has to be the priority. That will take time but a new different First Minister, probably Forbes would help. Do that quickly before you have to deal with the next elections which will also be an opportunity to reset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Forbes is playing a smart game by backing Humza. She knows he is a dead man walking anyway, so it is important to not be the one that stabs him in the front or back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 31 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Forbes is playing a smart game by backing Humza. She knows he is a dead man walking anyway, so it is important to not be the one that stabs him in the front or back. That should add to her credibility among the party movers and shakers. Presumably she also has the good sense to be making lots of phone calls this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Presumably she also has the good sense to be making lots of phone calls this week. Just off the blower. She's secured my spare ticket for Rugby Park. Edited April 27 by il Duce McTarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 37 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Just off the blower. She's secured my spare ticket for Rugby Park. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 38 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Just off the blower. She's secured my spare ticket for Rugby Park. Which Ministerial post did you get in return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Peter Bell nails it once more... https://peterabell.scot/2024/04/27/they-must-be-stopped/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Forbes is playing a smart game by backing Humza. She knows he is a dead man walking anyway, so it is important to not be the one that stabs him in the front or back. Equally she's leaving herself open to accusations of being complicit, esp when her record of serving as a minister with Yousaf and under Sturgeon is highlighted. Wonder if the conservatives on here will really jump to the SNP if they appoint Forbes or if mad Ash Regan influences the day? Or are they just shitstirring...? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Peter Bell nails it once more... https://peterabell.scot/2024/04/27/they-must-be-stopped/ Christ, Bell-end and Wings over Scotland. Is it any wonder Abla are on 1% of the electorate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: Equally she's leaving herself open to accusations of being complicit, esp when her record of serving as a minister with Yousaf and under Sturgeon is highlighted. Wonder if the conservatives on here will really jump to the SNP if they appoint Forbes or if mad Ash Regan influences the day? Or are they just shitstirring...? 🤔 I don't know but giving the impression of being competent after utter chaos worked for Rishi Sunak, in the short term anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Christ, Bell-end and Wings over Scotland. Is it any wonder Abla are on 1% of the electorate? Have you actually read it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 16 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Which Ministerial post did you get in return? Minister for cultural understanding, ethics, political correctness, and religious tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, il Duce McTarkin said: Minister for cultural understanding, ethics, political correctness, and religious tolerance. Given your need for more, surely Minister of Supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 17 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Christ, Bell-end and Wings over Scotland. Is it any wonder Abla are on 1% of the electorate? Not familiar with Bell, what's the script there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Given your need for more, surely Minister of Supply. 😄 Needs an "imo" imo Edited April 27 by AyrJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 31 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Equally she's leaving herself open to accusations of being complicit, esp when her record of serving as a minister with Yousaf and under Sturgeon is highlighted. Wonder if the conservatives on here will really jump to the SNP if they appoint Forbes or if mad Ash Regan influences the day? Or are they just shitstirring...? 🤔 It doesn't matter. If SNP members had the vote again, Forbes would win easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 20 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Given your need for more, surely Minister of Supply. That's a collective responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 30 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Have you actually read it? Course he hasn’t . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Imagine the puses on Harvey , Slater , Greer and Chapman if Forbes becomes FM ? The seethe . She’s everything they hate , , straight , white , got a family the old fashioned way , intelligent , and the icing on the cake , she’s a Christian ! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Got my thinking head on ( I know it’s dangerous ) anyway surely Humza and indeed their “ Government “ can’t stay on as they would have to let Regan have the casting vote on any legislation all the time ? Unless all parties are in agreement with a proposed bill ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranston Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 18 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Imagine the puses on Harvey , Slater , Greer and Chapman if Forbes becomes FM ? The seethe . She’s everything they hate , , straight , white , got a family the old fashioned way , intelligent , and the icing on the cake , she’s a Christian ! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Humza Yousaf reaches out to other parties including scottish tories, scottish labour and scottish lib dems asking for common ground. That screams the end is coming https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjew59r2vj3o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Imagine the puses on Harvey , Slater , Greer and Chapman if Forbes becomes FM ? The seethe . She’s everything they hate , , straight , white , got a family the old fashioned way , intelligent , and the icing on the cake , she’s a Christian ! 😎 In fairness Humza was also homophobic but like Kate. I guess a white homophobe will be easier for the public to stomach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 12 minutes ago, TallPaul said: In fairness Humza was also homophobic but like Kate. I guess a white homophobe will be easier for the public to stomach I recall he had a prior engagement when there was the gay marriage vote a few years back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 37 minutes ago, milky_26 said: Humza Yousaf reaches out to other parties including scottish tories, scottish labour and scottish lib dems asking for common ground. That screams the end is coming https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjew59r2vj3o Tories have told him to gtf . It’s only his own fault with his abrasive and arrogant style of “ leadership”. Following on the same style as Mrs Murrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, Gundermann said: serving as a minister with Yousaf You mean being in the same Cabinet he was? Should she have told Nicola Sturgeon she wasn't interested in the job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Minister for cultural understanding, ethics, political correctness, and religious tolerance. She sensibly left inclusiveness off the table. She's probably planning to offer that to me in return for a couple of match hospitality tickets I'll have to spare next season. Category B games, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 8 minutes ago, Ulysses said: You mean being in the same Cabinet he was? Should she have told Nicola Sturgeon she wasn't interested in the job? If she disagreed with the policies then yes. Otherwise, she's complicit and other parties will point that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 43 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: I recall he had a prior engagement when there was the gay marriage vote a few years back Correct and a very hastily arranged "prior engagement" once the date of the vote was known Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Correct and a very hastily arranged "prior engagement" once the date of the vote was known Yep . Hence he is never to be trusted . I’d have more respect for him if he was just honest about his views . Like Forbes has been . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, milky_26 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 7 minutes ago, milky_26 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Gundermann said: If she disagreed with the policies then yes. Otherwise, she's complicit and other parties will point that out. And then what? Edited April 27 by Ulysses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Gundermann said: If she disagreed with the policies then yes. Otherwise, she's complicit and other parties will point that out. How many Ministers agree with every policy their government has? If they do they're probably incapable of thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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