Hagar the Horrible Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 10 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said: Did you just assume said person is female? Naughty naughty. I kinda did....ooops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, hughesie27 said: SNPs problem now is that the Indy movement is so big in Scotland now that it's impossible for 1 pro Indy party to cover the political opinions of every Pro Indy constituent. Definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said: I kinda did....ooops Don’t worry it’s so hard nowadays to work out who’s who ! Apparently ! Spoiler It’s not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, Japan Jambo said: I'm actually serious, but in fairness I do understand why you may think I'm not, obviously I have no wish for him to succeed. He is a once in a generation politician - I'm genuinely astounded that so many have fallen for a botched hatchet job. If people are serious about independence he should be their only vote. 🤷♂️ Like Salmond or loathe him, and what he stands for, but what other politicians in these islands have anywhere near his ability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 31 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Helmet - white Sorry, that utter helmet is brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Like Salmond or loathe him, and what he stands for, but what other politicians in these islands have anywhere near his ability? Very few. The difficulty is he knows it and becomes smug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 39 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I disagree. There needs to be an election and emergency budget as that last hatchet job has damaged everything . Get snp out, labour in . Labour win in England / wales and Scotland in GE and let’s move forward Move forward to what exactly? Labour adopting Tory policies to be electable in England? Then when English voters get fed up of New New Labour they vote the Tories back in In what way is that good for Scotland? 9 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Like Salmond or loathe him, and what he stands for, but what other politicians in these islands have anywhere near his ability? Absolutely this but the smearing and stitching up of Salmond by the Sturrels/Liz Evans/COPFS has unfortunately left him perceived as damaged goods by the general public (who generally don't know their arse from their elbow) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Move forward to what exactly? Labour adopting Tory policies to be electable in England? Then when English voters get fed up of New New Labour they vote the Tories back in In what way is that good for Scotland? Absolutely this but the smearing and stitching up of Salmond by the Sturrels/Liz Evans/COPFS has unfortunately left him perceived as damaged goods by the general public (who generally don't know their arse from their elbow) Not sure it matters forward to where. It couldnt get any worse. Get all the SNP folk to defect to Alba and let Eck rule again. Get the stagnation out the window and move forward. Eck had us in a good place until the ref . safe hands and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, Hmfc1965 said: Very few. The difficulty is he knows it and becomes smug. I've seen that. I wonder have his experiences in the last few years modified any of that, or has he just doubled down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 10 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Absolutely this but the smearing and stitching up of Salmond by the Sturrels/Liz Evans/COPFS has unfortunately left him perceived as damaged goods by the general public (who generally don't know their arse from their elbow) For most of the 1970s, Charlie Haughey was perceived as damaged goods by the Irish public and media following the 1970 Arms Crisis. He went out and assiduously rebuilt his popularity within Fianna Fáil, who were the country's leading political force at the time, and went on to dominate the Irish political landscape for 8 or 9 years. I've a different concern when it comes to Salmond, and it relates to his age. At 69, he's not IMO in any position to rehabilitate his reputation and go on to spend any great amount of time being a dominant political force in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: For most of the 1970s, Charlie Haughey was perceived as damaged goods by the Irish public and media following the 1970 Arms Crisis. He went out and assiduously rebuilt his popularity within Fianna Fáil, who were the country's leading political force at the time, and went on to dominate the Irish political landscape for 8 or 9 years. I've a different concern when it comes to Salmond, and it relates to his age. At 69, he's not IMO in any position to rehabilitate his reputation and go on to spend any great amount of time being a dominant political force in Scotland. Agreed his time is over save for a kind of elder statesman role in the backroom advising on strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: For most of the 1970s, Charlie Haughey was perceived as damaged goods by the Irish public and media following the 1970 Arms Crisis. He went out and assiduously rebuilt his popularity within Fianna Fáil, who were the country's leading political force at the time, and went on to dominate the Irish political landscape for 8 or 9 years. I've a different concern when it comes to Salmond, and it relates to his age. At 69, he's not IMO in any position to rehabilitate his reputation and go on to spend any great amount of time being a dominant political force in Scotland. Trump/Biden/Merkel would disagree we need someone to steady the ship for a few years. we need a "boss" not the current spineless flip flappers Ash Regan would do Joanna Cherry would do Kate forbes would do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Trump/Biden/Merkel would disagree we need someone to steady the ship for a few years. we need a "boss" not the current spineless flip flappers Ash Regan would do Joanna Cherry would do Kate forbes would do Cherry 1st for me Has the constitutional nous needed and a bit of steel about her Then Regan Forbes not so sure about her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I've a different concern when it comes to Salmond, and it relates to his age. At 69, he's not IMO in any position to rehabilitate his reputation and go on to spend any great amount of time being a dominant political force in Scotland. Still the sharpest political tool in the box though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 24 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Absolutely this but the smearing and stitching up of Salmond by the Sturrels/Liz Evans/COPFS has unfortunately left him perceived as damaged goods by the general public (who generally don't know their arse from their elbow) I liked him as a politician, although as I've said he could be smug. He absolutely is damaged goods though and I don't think it was a stitch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
If carlsberg did rivals... Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 The problem is the SNP don't have Scotlands best interests at heart, they have the SNP's best interests at heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 18 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I've seen that. I wonder have his experiences in the last few years modified any of that, or has he just doubled down? To be honest I haven't seen him recently but I doubt it. It was like he couldn't help himself. He was/is smarter than most politicians and knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Still the sharpest political tool in the box though. Looked like a cardiac arrest waiting to happen last time I saw him in London Airport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Lord Montpelier said: Looked like a cardiac arrest waiting to happen last time I saw him in London Airport He has looked like that for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 31 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Move forward to what exactly? Labour adopting Tory policies to be electable in England? Then when English voters get fed up of New New Labour they vote the Tories back in In what way is that good for Scotland? They can’t ever answer that. Labour in acting a bit Tory until the actual tories sort themselves out and we get them again. Absolutely this but the smearing and stitching up of Salmond by the Sturrels/Liz Evans/COPFS has unfortunately left him perceived as damaged goods by the general public (who generally don't know their arse from their elbow) Ain’t that the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Trump/Biden/Merkel would disagree Trump and Biden are past it. Merkel is the same age as Salmond and retired 3 years ago. 19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: we need a "boss" You might like a "boss", but most of the body politic wouldn't. 19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Ash Regan would do Turncoat. Not even a party member. 19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Joanna Cherry would do If she still has a seat come the next election. 19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Kate forbes would do We still have no way of knowing if she'll have the strategic nous to overcome her relative youth, but IMO she should have been the pick last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 19 minutes ago, Hmfc1965 said: I liked him as a politician, although as I've said he could be smug. He absolutely is damaged goods though and I don't think it was a stitch up. Each to their own Hopefully we will get to the truth as further court proceedings take place and the alphbetties are outed and done for perjury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 All the talk of Humza and his “white” speech. Wee anus has one very similar.. Doesnt get the same amount of mentions tho. 17587ef9-098c-47a5-8174-8103ea4930fb.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: All the talk of Humza and his “white” speech. Wee anus has one very similar.. Doesnt get the same amount of mentions tho. 17587ef9-098c-47a5-8174-8103ea4930fb.mp4 Good point by you, and him. Sure, we're a white majority country but there aren't many areas of my life that are run/ staffed by only white people. From my kids' schools to work to Tesco to Hearts' players and supporters to the music I listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 35 minutes ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said: The problem is the SNP don't have Scotlands best interests at heart, they have the SNP's best interests at heart. That's my reason for wanting independence. Start with that then devolve more, real power to local communities as Norway does. Politicians won't find it so easy to break the law or become distant from us, if they live/ work just down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Good point by you, and him. Sure, we're a white majority country but there aren't many areas of my life that are run/ staffed by only white people. From my kids' schools to work to Tesco to Hearts' players and supporters to the music I listen to. Might be staffed by BME people but very rarely run by them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 18 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Trump and Biden are past it. Merkel is the same age as Salmond and retired 3 years ago. You might like a "boss", but most of the body politic wouldn't. Turncoat. Not even a party member. If she still has a seat come the next election. We still have no way of knowing if she'll have the strategic nous to overcome her relative youth, but IMO she should have been the pick last time. Ash is not really a turncoat her principled stand was admirable- her views saw her cast out. Her belief that women were women saw her expunged. her party were ideologically trapped the country needs a boss, not this namby pamby flip flop mess of try and fail and round and round. nobody is making any decisions Cherry will keep her seat. Forbes was cut down by a party too scared to rid itself of the Sturgeon Stink. Had the arrests happened before the leadership contest Humza would be nowhere near FM, he was "continuity" - and thats what we got Continued ruination, stagnation, gender politics, green party nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Ash is not really a turncoat her principled stand was admirable- her views saw her cast out. She's not even in the SNP. 4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Her belief that women were women saw her expunged. her party were ideologically trapped Maybe she was trapped in the wrong body politic? Nothing that a quick turn of one's coat wouldn't fix. 4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: the country needs a boss, not this namby pamby flip flop mess of try and fail and round and round. nobody is making any decisions You keep letting me know how much you like "strong leadership", but others prefer something a bit more participative. 4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Cherry will keep her seat. Not if that staunch socialist Sir Keir can help it. 4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Forbes was cut down by a party too scared to rid itself of the Sturgeon Stink. Or she just lost a popularity contest. It happens. Will she win the next one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Seen a couple of reporters interviewing yousless yousaf today. They didn't miss him and ripped him to shreads. Do the press know he is a dead clown walking and have lost any respect for him and his party finally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Ulysses said: I've seen that. I wonder have his experiences in the last few years modified any of that, or has he just doubled down? Old dogs, new tricks? But yes, he's a good politician and tbh despite not being a Nationalist, I felt he did govern for everyone. He appeared to see counsel from across the political spectrum and then act accordingly. I wonder how we'll view the Sturgeon era in years to come? Not favorably regardless of your constitutional position I'd wager. There's a lot of healing of the national psyche required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: She's not even in the SNP. What's your point? Or she just lost a popularity contest. It happens. Will she win the next one? That leadership election was not an election - it was managed from start to finish to install Useless so he could carry the Sturrels torch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) Sturgeons sister, the one who likes a drink or 45. The one who takes money from old and vulnerable people telling them she can speak to their dead loved ones The one who says Murrell is honest. Edited April 26 by Australis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 42 minutes ago, Gundermann said: That's my reason for wanting independence. Start with that then devolve more, real power to local communities as Norway does. Politicians won't find it so easy to break the law or become distant from us, if they live/ work just down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 54 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: All the talk of Humza and his “white” speech. Wee anus has one very similar.. Doesnt get the same amount of mentions tho. 17587ef9-098c-47a5-8174-8103ea4930fb.mp4 Cause he’s not the FM ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Goodness me. You know things are in disarray in the minds of the separatist movement when big sleepy cuddles is being heralded as the Father of the nation figure. He's thoroughly discredited in every sense. Alba have no traction with the electorate whatsoever. The infighting is glorious to observe. The SNP Westminster contingent will be absolutely raging with Humza as their noses could be forcibly removed from the trough sooner than even they feared. That's a talentless bunch of unaccountable shite that'll struggle to replicate their current earnings outside of the gravy train they've all be so reticent to leave. Octopus arms portrayed as some kind of political titan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Total cluster**** now... https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-labyrinth-of-stupidity/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 10 minutes ago, Carter said: Goodness me. You know things are in disarray in the minds of the separatist movement when big sleepy cuddles is being heralded as the Father of the nation figure. He's thoroughly discredited in every sense. Alba have no traction with the electorate whatsoever. The infighting is glorious to observe. The SNP Westminster contingent will be absolutely raging with Humza as their noses could be forcibly removed from the trough sooner than even they feared. That's a talentless bunch of unaccountable shite that'll struggle to replicate their current earnings outside of the gravy train they've all be so reticent to leave. Octopus arms portrayed as some kind of political titan The people who never really liked Sturgeon or the snp but always trusted in Alex really and it was just a bit touchy feelie anyway it's become absolute comedy gold watching the separatists on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, AyrJambo said: Each to their own Hopefully we will get to the truth as further court proceedings take place and the alphbetties are outed and done for perjury I believe the 'alphbetties' are protected by a guarantee of immunity from prosecution, granted by Scottish authorities. That includes the one who was proven to be lying. Can't see immunity being lifted as precedent would be set, however much people would like to see it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 28 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Total cluster**** now... https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-labyrinth-of-stupidity/ 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, AyrJambo said: My point? The only thing worse than a turncoat is a double turncoat - a reversible turncoat, so to speak. As for the election, presumably the hidden leadership stood over a crowd big enough to fill Hampden and forced 26,032 of them at gunpoint to mark their papers 1 or 2 in favour of Yousaf? Is that how it worked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 We need more double turncoats imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JudyJudyJudy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Defining what a woman is …… shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranston Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Well, its certainly gotten Pete Murrell off the front pages. Smoke and mirrors is my best guess. It'll be everybody back on the bus, soon enough, with not a lot of change occurring. The snp will still be greens and while it'll appear as if noses are out of joint, they'll all continue to makin merry doon in the wee room at the taxpayers expense. Michael Matheson anyone? Political shenanigans, thats aw folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: We need more shite! 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 He's nowhere close to being capable of holding the office and was never going to be any long term solution but anybody thinking Salmond is some kind of white Knight must be aff their heid. A bam of the highest order and makes Johnson look like a good guy I'll eat my hat if he ever takes it to the courts. It would be Tommy Sheridan all over again. The country desperately needs stability and even boring functionaries running the show. Competent and on task would be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, Ulysses said: My point? The only thing worse than a turncoat is a double turncoat - a reversible turncoat, so to speak. As for the election, presumably the hidden leadership stood over a crowd big enough to fill Hampden and forced 26,032 of them at gunpoint to mark their papers 1 or 2 in favour of Yousaf? Is that how it worked? Turncoat is a pejorative term She quit one party and joined another - not the first and won't be the last What is the double-turncoat bit? She's not going back to SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Turncoat is a pejorative term Yes. It was meant pejoratively. I have little time or respect for turncoats. 3 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: What is the double-turncoat bit? She's not going back to SNP I would expect not. So what do you and @doctor jambo think she should be leading? I wouldn't have mentioned her if you guys hadn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Yes. It was meant pejoratively. I have little time or respect for turncoats. I would expect not. So what do you and @doctor jambo think she should be leading? I wouldn't have mentioned her if you guys hadn't. Nobody said anything about her leading anything I did wonder if that was what you were thinking - that somehow she is up to replace Yousaf? She is a topic of discussion because the way the numbers stack at Holyrood she may have the effective casting vote in Useless's VONC Then there was side discussion about the fact she was a leadership candidate in the "contest" which installed Useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Yes. It was meant pejoratively. I have little time or respect for turncoats. I would expect not. So what do you and @doctor jambo think she should be leading? I wouldn't have mentioned her if you guys hadn't. Did you consider Jack Charlton to be a turncoat when as a former England international football player he became manager of ROI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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