The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[Drumelzier]

To be fair, HM wasn't far off the mark!

 

My brother in-law is a bit of a retarded hun knobjob.

 

 

I stand corrected.

[Drumelzier]

Chuckles is at it again - same old spin, just a different owner. This time down in London trying to persuade investors of the untold riches Sevco will scoop when they move to the EPL. Yep, that's right folks, buy shares cos they're moving down south!

 

http://www.foxnews.c...premier-league/

 

Scotland's most successful football club is trying to attract potential investors with an eye on someday playing in the English Premier League.

Rangers, a 54-time Scottish champion, feels less loyalty to its homeland after being forced to start again this season in the fourth tier as punishment for a financial meltdown. And now the Glasgow club's new ownership believes an exit route from the Scottish leagues is becoming possible as UEFA explores changing cross-border rules.

"The SPL told us face-to-face, 'We don't want you, you aren't welcome,'" Rangers chief executive Charles Green said in an interview with The Associated Press ahead of the club's planned flotation on a London Stock Exchange market.

And a planned revamp of the Scottish Premier League and three professional divisions below it could be Rangers' chance to escape. The overhaul was announced during the offseason just as Rangers was going into liquidation with tax debts exceeding $30 million.

"What we understand is that any restructuring will also revisit the taboo," Green said. "A bit like, 'Don't talk about the war to the Germans.' 'Don't mention Rangers and Celtic leaving Scotland.' It was always 'Shhh, don't mention that.'

"I think the taboo of that is going to be lifted ... Scottish football without Rangers and Celtic might actually become more competitive within the remaining clubs rather than having these two monsters sat above them."

Rangers is due to float on London's AIM small-market stock exchange by the end of the year, and Green hopes to raise close to $48 million there. He has been trying to persuade financial institutions this week that the club has a realistic chance of playing in the English Premier League.

Green bought Rangers' assets for $8.7 million, and four months later he is already hopeful of raising about $48 million on the AIM exchange. Fans are expected to invest 21 million pounds about $33 million in shares.

"As a football club, if Rangers were in the Premier League only Manchester United would be bigger," Green said. "Because Arsenal haven't got more fans than Rangers ... the fan base is so big."

But the barriers to joining the world's richest football league are also vast, with the English Premier League already resisting previous overtures from both Rangers and Glasgow rival Celtic.

"I don't believe the Premier League are hostile towards it because I think it's a generalization," Green said. "Speak to Manchester United. They are not hostile to Rangers joining."

But United disputed Green's claims.

"We are not in favor of it at all. We are against it," United spokesman Phil Townsend said. "Our view is it's the English Premier League and should remain that way."

Green, though, pointed to the financial advantages of United being able to play at the 50,000-capacity Ibrox.

"Why would Man United want to play Southampton? Why, when they could play Rangers? Sixty percent of the Premier League don't want Rangers. Of course they don't want Rangers," Green said. "Why would Southampton, Swansea, Wigan, Aston Villa? Why would any of them want Rangers or Celtic in their league. Why would they? It threatens their existence ... but if you asked the big clubs, 'Would you like Rangers?"

They would, according to Green. Even in Spain.

"Ask Barcelona and Real Madrid if they would like Rangers and Celtic in their league," Green said. "They definitely would. Why wouldn't Barcelona want to play Rangers home and away as opposed to playing Getafe? They would sell (those) games out."

In the presentation to potential investors, Green features a quote from Barcelona President Sandro Rosell highlighting the virtue of playing European rivals on weekends.

"What will change football over 5-to-10 years is this insatiable demand for the big clubs to play each other," Green said. "And this is not the insatiable demand from the west Midlands or from north London. This is the demand from the Middle East, Asia, the Far East."

Green is putting his faith in a UEFA experiment that could remove a key barrier to Rangers leaving the Scottish league. European football's governing body has allowed 16 women's teams in Belgium and the Netherlands to form a cross-border league in a three-year trial.

"The difficulty is that historically I don't think Celtic and Rangers would have been allowed to consider leaving Scotland," Green said. "What is now going to change things ... is now we've got this cross-border league for women."

Rangers' demotion removes from the calendar Scotland's only internationally attractive fixture ? the Old Firm derby against Celtic.

And at Celtic's annual general meeting on Friday, chief executive Peter Lawwell said he believed expanding leagues beyond borders could become a reality.

"We are committed to the SPL but nothing stays the same," Lawwell said. "There are initiatives in Europe. UEFA have opened their mind up to some form of regional leagues.

"I think they recognize the polarization between the top leagues and the smaller leagues in terms of media values. There are very early proposals that may look at regional leagues."

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2CPJZUZIW

 

 

It goes without saying we have our own battles to win but it he sounds like he is getting extremely desperate now.

[Deso1972]

This guy has the uncanny knack of upsetting the natives wherever he goes, Im sitting laughing because he's either on a deathwish financially or he doesn't know what he is saying.

[graygo]

This guy has the uncanny knack of upsetting the natives wherever he goes, Im sitting laughing because he's either on a deathwish financially or he doesn't know what he is saying.

 

And this proves it, seriously deluded.

 

"Speak to Manchester United. They are not hostile to Rangers joining."

But United disputed Green's claims.

"We are not in favor of it at all. We are against it," United spokesman Phil Townsend said. "Our view is it's the English Premier League and should remain that way."

[rudi]

And this proves it, seriously deluded.

 

"Speak to Manchester United. They are not hostile to Rangers joining."

But United disputed Green's claims.

"We are not in favor of it at all. We are against it," United spokesman Phil Townsend said. "Our view is it's the English Premier League and should remain that way."

 

Apart from Swansea.

[2NaFish]

what a ******* zoomer.

[Guest]

Apart from Swansea.

Chelsea??

[graygo]

Apart from Swansea.

And this proves it, seriously deluded.

 

"Speak to Manchester United. They are not hostile to Rangers joining."

But United disputed Green's claims.

"We are not in favor of it at all. We are against it," United spokesman Phil Townsend said.

 

This better? If journalists can selectively quote then I'm damn sure I can.

[graygo]

Chelsea??

 

[Francis Albert]

Can always rely on a bit of Chuckie to cheer you up.

 

Want into the EPL? OK, let's insult more than half the clubs in the EPL.

 

Yet I am guessing the Scottish media will lap it up rather than laugh at him.

Edited November 16, 2012 by Francis Albert

[rudi]

This better? If journalists can selectively quote then I'm damn sure I can.

 

Thing is bud,if Sky or who ever has the screening rights,wants either or both the OF in the EPL it will happen,money talks.

[Munch]

the words of a very desperate man

[Guest]

the words of a very desperate man

A bit like Hibbys shouting "HIBS FOR THE CUP"?

[colinmaroon]

Can always rely on a bit of Chuckie to cheer you up.

 

Want into the EPL? OK, let's insult more than half the clubs in the EPL.

 

Yet I am guessing the Scottish media will lap it up rather than laugh at him.

 

 

Very hard to laugh when your head is where the sun don't shine!

[J Cheever Loophole]

This guy has the uncanny knack of upsetting the natives wherever he goes, Im sitting laughing because he's either on a deathwish financially or he doesn't know what he is saying.

He is your daily 5 dollops of fruit in loop.

[Zico]

 

 

And this proves it, seriously deluded.

 

"Speak to Manchester United. They are not hostile to Rangers joining."

But United disputed Green's claims.

"We are not in favor of it at all. We are against it," United spokesman Phil Townsend said. "Our view is it's the English Premier League and should remain that way."

I don't think there's a smack down smiley big enough for that.

 

I've read some Jarko Wiss from chuckles but that is something else. He's either gone properly mental, or he's getting very desperate.

[shaun.lawson]

http://www.scotsman....efing-1-2643329

 

 

 

ALL the characters in this sketch are real, even Charles Green, outrageous though it may seem. To the interview room at Ibrox...

 

 

?My name is Charles Green. Straight-talking Yorkshireman. I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say. Right you lot, you won?t be hearing any of that David Murray stuff from me. None of that rubbish about hotels and super-casinos and pitches floating in the sky above Ibrox. No flannel, that?s the Charles Green way. Any questions??

 

?Charles, you told the Associated Press on Friday that the Premier League is not hostile to Rangers moving south. Is that right??

 

?That?s correct. Manchester United would take us like a shot.?

 

?Are you sure??

 

?Certain. Give them a ring. Talk to them. Manchester United are not hostile to Rangers joining the Premier League.?

 

?Er, excuse me, Mr Green, my name is Phil Townsend and I?m the spokesman for Manchester United. I?d like to make it clear that we are indeed hostile to Rangers joining the Premier League. We?re not in favour of it all. We?re against it.?

 

?The Premier League is not hostile, that?s what I?m saying.?

 

?Mr Green, this is Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League. Can I refer you to my comments from the spring of this year in which I state quite clearly that there is little or no support among our member clubs for Rangers or Celtic joining the Premier League. It just isn?t going to happen.?

 

?Well, it should. Who?d United rather play, Rangers or Southampton??

 

?Nigel Adkins here. What are you implying? You?ve already had to apologise for calling Aston Villa completely useless and now you seem to be casting aspersions on my club as well. We might be struggling but I might remind you that Aston Villa scored the same number of goals ? two ? against Manchester United last weekend as your lot managed against Peterhead. Useless??

 

?Sorry, Southampton. I?m right about Barcelona and Real Madrid, though. They?d definitely want us in La Liga. We?d fill the Nou Camp and the Bernabeu. We?re a no-brainer for investors. Shares out soon. Register your interest now before it?s too late.?

 

?We would like to reply to that. I am Florentino Perez, president of Real Madrid??

 

?And I am Sandro Rosell, president of Barcelona??

 

?Respectfully we ask that you leave our great football clubs out of your fantasy. Gracias.?

 

?Thank you for your comments, gentlemen. Can I just clarify that rather than play the mighty Gers with all the extra cash that would give you, you?d sooner host a non-entity like Getafe??

 

?My name is Angel Torres and I am president of Getafe. For your information, Mr Green, on the same weekend in August that your team was drawing with Berwick my team was beating Real Madrid. Get stuffed.?

 

?Sorry, Getafe.?

 

?Charles, a question from the floor. How big a brand is Rangers??

 

?Whatever is bigger than the biggest thing in the world, then that?s what we are. We?ve got a potential TV audience of 500 million. Fact.?

 

?Er, where does that fact come from??

 

?Never mind lad. It comes from research, OK? 500 million people around the world ready to pay to watch live streams of Rangers on their phones and their tablets. That?s ?100m in digital revenues alone. No wonder everybody?s queuing round the block to buy shares.?

 

?You?re saying that seven per cent of the world?s population supports Rangers??

 

?I?ll give you an example. There?s a remote county in China called Mutuo. They tried to build a road into it once but it got swallowed up by the jungle. The only way into the place is via a 200m long suspension cable dangling 100m in the air. You have to shimmy in and out. I was there last week with Imran Ahmad. Crawling with Chinese Bears it was. All they wanted to do was talk about the East Stirling game. It?s the same everywhere you go. Pitcairn Island in the south Pacific has a population of 50 and 49 of them are Rangers fans. Fact.?

 

?Charles, tell us about this exciting tie-up with the Dallas Cowboys.?

 

?Yes, that?s right. We?re expanding the brand into all corners of the planet and Imran mentioned the Dallas Cowboys connection when he spoke to Rangers fans in Toronto. We?re in talks with the Cowboys about developing commercial partnerships with them. This is big stuff. Did I mention the shares? You?d be mad not to buy.?

 

?Can I interject at this point? I?m Rich Dalrymple, vice-president of public relations and communications for the Dallas Cowboys. I just want to make it clear that nobody at this end is familiar with any such conversations with Rangers.?

 

?Thanks for coming, Rich. Time out. Any more questions??

 

?Yes, over here. Mr Green, it?s Rino Gattuso. When you going to sign me??

 

?We went down a different road, Rino.?

 

?Mr Green, forgive me and my mates for having bags over our heads but we?re the mystery players from Euro 2012 that you claimed you were thinking of signing. What happened??

 

?Security!?

 

?Charles, I?m here on behalf of a ?friend? who felt that Rangers needed to sign five or six new players in the January window. My ?friend?, who?s definitely not Ally McCoist, was wondering why you didn?t deliver more signings considering your previous comments about Rangers rolling in cash after lighting a bonfire with all those unpaid invoices?

 

?That was oldco Charles Green who said he?d sign loads of new players. Next question!?

 

?Charles, I?d like to talk about the mooted deal with adidas.?

 

?Ah yes, Imran mentioned that at the Toronto meeting in September, along with that guff about the Dallas Cowboys. Now, what happened there was that Imran was talking to adidas and adidas told him that they?d lost Liverpool and Real Madrid and that Rangers would be the biggest club they have. We would have spots in adidas stores in North America. There are massive brand development opportunities.?

 

?Right, but adidas didn?t lose Real Madrid, did they? In fact, they signed up to Real Madrid until 2020 in a new deal worth ?32m euros.?

 

?Well, that?s neither here nor there.?

 

?And, in fact, even if they had lost Real Madrid they would have still had Bayern Munich and AC Milan, two clubs that most observers would accept are bigger globally than Rangers. So what was Imran talking about in Toronto??

 

?Next question!?

 

?What happened to the 20 major investors you spoke about when you came to the club first??

 

?What about the supposed ?30m in the bank by the end of July??

 

?What about your promise of transparency and yet the complete lack of it when it comes to stating who, precisely, is involved with you at Rangers??

 

?And what they?re going to get in return??

 

?And where the share issue money is going to be spent??

 

?What about the criticism that your reign at Rangers is all about telling people what they want to hear??

 

?I?ll answer that one. Nice suit you?re wearing! Look, my name is Charles Green but I?m thinking of changing it to Walter McCoist or Scot Struth or Gazza Laudrup and, if people think that?s opportunistic, well, I can?t help that. We are the biggest club in Scotland. We have no debt, no loans, no overdrafts and money in the bank. We have the product, the names and the brand and next Sunday we?re off to Elgin and 500 million people will be watching, if only they could. But we will fix that. Any more questions?

 

?Yes!?

 

?No. Thanks for coming. See you at the share launch.?

Edited November 18, 2012 by shaun.lawson

[Floyd]

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

 

 

Thing is bud,if Sky or who ever has the screening rights,wants either or both the OF in the EPL it will happen,money talks.

Of course. That's why record TV rights have been agreed er, without either of the arsecheeks.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

http://www.scotsman....efing-1-2643329

 

That's a good read. Art imitating life.

[frankblack]

Apart from Swansea.

 

There was no Welsh league when Swansea joined the English pyramid back in the 1920s.

 

Its been made perfectly clear that Zombie Rangers and Celtic are not welcome down south, particularly in Manchester for the defunct Rangers.

[jambovambo]

@mdkster: Well done to Stuart Cosgrove and @markdaly2 on their well-deserved BAFTAs; and, of course, the remarkable @alextomo #OutstandingJournalism

[jamboruss]

The people of Manchester would surely welcome the dodGers hordes with open arms,no?

[jambovambo]

Isn't this BTC, or maybe EBT, announcement day ?

[alwaysthereinspirit]

I never usually write "definitely" when in all honesty I have no idea what I'm basing it on. I'm going to say that they will definitely never play in the English league system. After Manchester there is no chance of English police forces allowing both sets of knuckle draggers being allowed to roam England every weekend for 45 weekends a year. Never happen.

[alwaysthereinspirit]

I never usually write "definitely" when in all honesty I have no idea what I'm basing it on. I'm going to say that they will definitely never play in the English league system. After Manchester there is no chance of English police forces allowing both sets of knuckle draggers being allowed to roam England every weekend for 45 weekends a year. Never happen.

[The Gasman]

Isn't this BTC, or maybe EBT, announcement day ?

 

Today was given by some as the day the FTT will make their findings public. Having said that though, today's just the latest in a long, long, series of dates that have been rumoured, then missed.

 

My understanding is that SDM, The Liquidators, MIH, and HMRC will receive written notification of the outcome ten working days before its made public. As a cynic, that makes me think we'll get some warning, as the Hun/SDM Spin Machine goes into overdrive during that two week window.

[kingdannyb]

By TOM ENGLISH

Published on Sunday 18 November 2012 00:00

 

ALL the characters in this sketch are real, even Charles Green, outrageous though it may seem. To the interview room at Ibrox...

 

 

?My name is Charles Green. Straight-talking Yorkshireman. I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say. Right you lot, you won?t be hearing any of that David Murray stuff from me. None of that rubbish about hotels and super-casinos and pitches floating in the sky above Ibrox. No flannel, that?s the Charles Green way. Any questions??

?Charles, you told the Associated Press on Friday that the Premier League is not hostile to Rangers moving south. Is that right??

?That?s correct. Manchester United would take us like a shot.?

?Are you sure??

?Certain. Give them a ring. Talk to them. Manchester United are not hostile to Rangers joining the Premier League.?

?Er, excuse me, Mr Green, my name is Phil Townsend and I?m the spokesman for Manchester United. I?d like to make it clear that we are indeed hostile to Rangers joining the Premier League. We?re not in favour of it all. We?re against it.?

?The Premier League is not hostile, that?s what I?m saying.?

?Mr Green, this is Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League. Can I refer you to my comments from the spring of this year in which I state quite clearly that there is little or no support among our member clubs for Rangers or Celtic joining the Premier League. It just isn?t going to happen.?

?Well, it should. Who?d United rather play, Rangers or Southampton??

?Nigel Adkins here. What are you implying? You?ve already had to apologise for calling Aston Villa completely useless and now you seem to be casting aspersions on my club as well. We might be struggling but I might remind you that Aston Villa scored the same number of goals ? two ? against Manchester United last weekend as your lot managed against Peterhead. Useless??

?Sorry, Southampton. I?m right about Barcelona and Real Madrid, though. They?d definitely want us in La Liga. We?d fill the Nou Camp and the Bernabeu. We?re a no-brainer for investors. Shares out soon. Register your interest now before it?s too late.?

?We would like to reply to that. I am Florentino Perez, president of Real Madrid??

?And I am Sandro Rosell, president of Barcelona??

?Respectfully we ask that you leave our great football clubs out of your fantasy. Gracias.?

?Thank you for your comments, gentlemen. Can I just clarify that rather than play the mighty Gers with all the extra cash that would give you, you?d sooner host a non-entity like Getafe??

?My name is Angel Torres and I am president of Getafe. For your information, Mr Green, on the same weekend in August that your team was drawing with Berwick my team was beating Real Madrid. Get stuffed.?

?Sorry, Getafe.?

?Charles, a question from the floor. How big a brand is Rangers??

?Whatever is bigger than the biggest thing in the world, then that?s what we are. We?ve got a potential TV audience of 500 million. Fact.?

?Er, where does that fact come from??

?Never mind lad. It comes from research, OK? 500 million people around the world ready to pay to watch live streams of Rangers on their phones and their tablets. That?s ?100m in digital revenues alone. No wonder everybody?s queuing round the block to buy shares.?

?You?re saying that seven per cent of the world?s population supports Rangers??

?I?ll give you an example. There?s a remote county in China called Mutuo. They tried to build a road into it once but it got swallowed up by the jungle. The only way into the place is via a 200m long suspension cable dangling 100m in the air. You have to shimmy in and out. I was there last week with Imran Ahmad. Crawling with Chinese Bears it was. All they wanted to do was talk about the East Stirling game. It?s the same everywhere you go. Pitcairn Island in the south Pacific has a population of 50 and 49 of them are Rangers fans. Fact.?

?Charles, tell us about this exciting tie-up with the Dallas Cowboys.?

?Yes, that?s right. We?re expanding the brand into all corners of the planet and Imran mentioned the Dallas Cowboys connection when he spoke to Rangers fans in Toronto. We?re in talks with the Cowboys about developing commercial partnerships with them. This is big stuff. Did I mention the shares? You?d be mad not to buy.?

?Can I interject at this point? I?m Rich Dalrymple, vice-president of public relations and communications for the Dallas Cowboys. I just want to make it clear that nobody at this end is familiar with any such conversations with Rangers.?

?Thanks for coming, Rich. Time out. Any more questions??

?Yes, over here. Mr Green, it?s Rino Gattuso. When you going to sign me??

?We went down a different road, Rino.?

?Mr Green, forgive me and my mates for having bags over our heads but we?re the mystery players from Euro 2012 that you claimed you were thinking of signing. What happened??

?Security!?

?Charles, I?m here on behalf of a ?friend? who felt that Rangers needed to sign five or six new players in the January window. My ?friend?, who?s definitely not Ally McCoist, was wondering why you didn?t deliver more signings considering your previous comments about Rangers rolling in cash after lighting a bonfire with all those unpaid invoices?

?That was oldco Charles Green who said he?d sign loads of new players.

?Next question!?

?Charles, I?d like to talk about the mooted deal with adidas.?

?Ah yes, Imran mentioned that at the Toronto meeting in September, along with that guff about the Dallas Cowboys. Now, what happened there was that Imran was talking to adidas and adidas told him that they?d lost Liverpool and Real Madrid and that Rangers would be the biggest club they have. We would have spots in adidas stores in North America. There are massive brand development opportunities.?

?Right, but adidas didn?t lose Real Madrid, did they? In fact, they signed up to Real Madrid until 2020 in a new deal worth ?32m euros.?

?Well, that?s neither here nor there.?

?And, in fact, even if they had lost Real Madrid they would have still had Bayern Munich and AC Milan, two clubs that most observers would accept are bigger globally than Rangers. So what was Imran talking about in Toronto??

?Next question!?

?What happened to the 20 major investors you spoke about when you came to the club first??

?What about the supposed ?30m in the bank by the end of July??

?What about your promise of transparency and yet the complete lack of it when it comes to stating who, precisely, is involved with you at Rangers??

?And what they?re going to get in return??

?And where the share issue money is going to be spent??

?What about the criticism that your reign at Rangers is all about telling people what they want to hear??

?I?ll answer that one. Nice suit you?re wearing! Look, my name is Charles Green but I?m thinking of changing it to Walter McCoist or Scot Struth or Gazza Laudrup and, if people think that?s opportunistic, well, I can?t help that. We are the biggest club in Scotland. We have no debt, no loans, no overdrafts and money in the bank. We have the product, the names and the brand and next Sunday we?re off to Elgin and 500 million people will be watching, if only they could. But we will fix that. Any more questions?

?Yes!?

?No. Thanks for coming. See you at the share launch.?

Edited November 19, 2012 by kingdannyb

[Munch]

By TOM ENGLISH

Published on Sunday 18 November 2012 00:00

 

ALL the characters in this sketch are real, even Charles Green, outrageous though it may seem. To the interview room at Ibrox...

 

 

?My name is Charles Green. Straight-talking Yorkshireman. I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say. Right you lot, you won?t be hearing any of that David Murray stuff from me. None of that rubbish about hotels and super-casinos and pitches floating in the sky above Ibrox. No flannel, that?s the Charles Green way. Any questions??

?Charles, you told the Associated Press on Friday that the Premier League is not hostile to Rangers moving south. Is that right??

?That?s correct. Manchester United would take us like a shot.?

?Are you sure??

?Certain. Give them a ring. Talk to them. Manchester United are not hostile to Rangers joining the Premier League.?

?Er, excuse me, Mr Green, my name is Phil Townsend and I?m the spokesman for Manchester United. I?d like to make it clear that we are indeed hostile to Rangers joining the Premier League. We?re not in favour of it all. We?re against it.?

?The Premier League is not hostile, that?s what I?m saying.?

?Mr Green, this is Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League. Can I refer you to my comments from the spring of this year in which I state quite clearly that there is little or no support among our member clubs for Rangers or Celtic joining the Premier League. It just isn?t going to happen.?

?Well, it should. Who?d United rather play, Rangers or Southampton??

?Nigel Adkins here. What are you implying? You?ve already had to apologise for calling Aston Villa completely useless and now you seem to be casting aspersions on my club as well. We might be struggling but I might remind you that Aston Villa scored the same number of goals ? two ? against Manchester United last weekend as your lot managed against Peterhead. Useless??

?Sorry, Southampton. I?m right about Barcelona and Real Madrid, though. They?d definitely want us in La Liga. We?d fill the Nou Camp and the Bernabeu. We?re a no-brainer for investors. Shares out soon. Register your interest now before it?s too late.?

?We would like to reply to that. I am Florentino Perez, president of Real Madrid??

?And I am Sandro Rosell, president of Barcelona??

?Respectfully we ask that you leave our great football clubs out of your fantasy. Gracias.?

?Thank you for your comments, gentlemen. Can I just clarify that rather than play the mighty Gers with all the extra cash that would give you, you?d sooner host a non-entity like Getafe??

?My name is Angel Torres and I am president of Getafe. For your information, Mr Green, on the same weekend in August that your team was drawing with Berwick my team was beating Real Madrid. Get stuffed.?

?Sorry, Getafe.?

?Charles, a question from the floor. How big a brand is Rangers??

?Whatever is bigger than the biggest thing in the world, then that?s what we are. We?ve got a potential TV audience of 500 million. Fact.?

?Er, where does that fact come from??

?Never mind lad. It comes from research, OK? 500 million people around the world ready to pay to watch live streams of Rangers on their phones and their tablets. That?s ?100m in digital revenues alone. No wonder everybody?s queuing round the block to buy shares.?

?You?re saying that seven per cent of the world?s population supports Rangers??

?I?ll give you an example. There?s a remote county in China called Mutuo. They tried to build a road into it once but it got swallowed up by the jungle. The only way into the place is via a 200m long suspension cable dangling 100m in the air. You have to shimmy in and out. I was there last week with Imran Ahmad. Crawling with Chinese Bears it was. All they wanted to do was talk about the East Stirling game. It?s the same everywhere you go. Pitcairn Island in the south Pacific has a population of 50 and 49 of them are Rangers fans. Fact.?

?Charles, tell us about this exciting tie-up with the Dallas Cowboys.?

?Yes, that?s right. We?re expanding the brand into all corners of the planet and Imran mentioned the Dallas Cowboys connection when he spoke to Rangers fans in Toronto. We?re in talks with the Cowboys about developing commercial partnerships with them. This is big stuff. Did I mention the shares? You?d be mad not to buy.?

?Can I interject at this point? I?m Rich Dalrymple, vice-president of public relations and communications for the Dallas Cowboys. I just want to make it clear that nobody at this end is familiar with any such conversations with Rangers.?

?Thanks for coming, Rich. Time out. Any more questions??

?Yes, over here. Mr Green, it?s Rino Gattuso. When you going to sign me??

?We went down a different road, Rino.?

?Mr Green, forgive me and my mates for having bags over our heads but we?re the mystery players from Euro 2012 that you claimed you were thinking of signing. What happened??

?Security!?

?Charles, I?m here on behalf of a ?friend? who felt that Rangers needed to sign five or six new players in the January window. My ?friend?, who?s definitely not Ally McCoist, was wondering why you didn?t deliver more signings considering your previous comments about Rangers rolling in cash after lighting a bonfire with all those unpaid invoices?

?That was oldco Charles Green who said he?d sign loads of new players.

?Next question!?

?Charles, I?d like to talk about the mooted deal with adidas.?

?Ah yes, Imran mentioned that at the Toronto meeting in September, along with that guff about the Dallas Cowboys. Now, what happened there was that Imran was talking to adidas and adidas told him that they?d lost Liverpool and Real Madrid and that Rangers would be the biggest club they have. We would have spots in adidas stores in North America. There are massive brand development opportunities.?

?Right, but adidas didn?t lose Real Madrid, did they? In fact, they signed up to Real Madrid until 2020 in a new deal worth ?32m euros.?

?Well, that?s neither here nor there.?

?And, in fact, even if they had lost Real Madrid they would have still had Bayern Munich and AC Milan, two clubs that most observers would accept are bigger globally than Rangers. So what was Imran talking about in Toronto??

?Next question!?

?What happened to the 20 major investors you spoke about when you came to the club first??

?What about the supposed ?30m in the bank by the end of July??

?What about your promise of transparency and yet the complete lack of it when it comes to stating who, precisely, is involved with you at Rangers??

?And what they?re going to get in return??

?And where the share issue money is going to be spent??

?What about the criticism that your reign at Rangers is all about telling people what they want to hear??

?I?ll answer that one. Nice suit you?re wearing! Look, my name is Charles Green but I?m thinking of changing it to Walter McCoist or Scot Struth or Gazza Laudrup and, if people think that?s opportunistic, well, I can?t help that. We are the biggest club in Scotland. We have no debt, no loans, no overdrafts and money in the bank. We have the product, the names and the brand and next Sunday we?re off to Elgin and 500 million people will be watching, if only they could. But we will fix that. Any more questions?

?Yes!?

?No. Thanks for coming. See you at the share launch.?

 

lol

[Francis Albert]

The people of Manchester would surely welcome the dodGers hordes with open arms,no?

 

Sshhh. It never happened. And if it did it wasn't proper Rangers fans. And if it was Rangers fans it's because the police provoked them. Or it was an entirely understandable reaction to a big TV screen breaking down.

[Floyd]

 

 

Sshhh. It never happened. And if it did it wasn't proper Rangers fans. And if it was Rangers fans it's because the police provoked them. Or it was an entirely understandable reaction to a big TV screen breaking down.

 

It was those pesky Chelsea fans who caused all the trouble, you know the ones with addresses across Lanarkshire, Glasgow and the central belt who were eventually apprehended by Greater Manchester Police........

[davieholt]

Ah, McMurdo passes on GREAT news for the bears. We could help Hearts no end by investing in this once in a lifetime opportunity. C'mon guys, fill yer boots !

 

Paul McConville ?@Paulmcc12

Bill McMurdo Passes on Great News about the Rangers Share Issue! http://wp.me/p1Adbc-G7

[DETTY29]

Today was given by some as the day the FTT will make their findings public. Having said that though, today's just the latest in a long, long, series of dates that have been rumoured, then missed.

 

My understanding is that SDM, The Liquidators, MIH, and HMRC will receive written notification of the outcome ten working days before its made public. As a cynic, that makes me think we'll get some warning, as the Hun/SDM Spin Machine goes into overdrive during that two week window.

I'd read on RTC that date may have been today. Not from the RTC guys, but a twitter friend or whatever they re called.

 

Someone on the Hubs.net private forum is apparently claiming to have 'inside knowledge' at HMRC and Rangers won the case. Mmmm.

 

Although it would be quite funny if they had won, but in doing so ended up liquidated, in Div 3 and at risk of having trophies stripped for unregistered dual contracts they needn't have worried about.

[269miles]

Today was given by some as the day the FTT will make their findings public. Having said that though, today's just the latest in a long, long, series of dates that have been rumoured, then missed.

 

My understanding is that SDM, The Liquidators, MIH, and HMRC will receive written notification of the outcome ten working days before its made public. As a cynic, that makes me think we'll get some warning, as the Hun/SDM Spin Machine goes into overdrive during that two week window.

 

Posted on TSFM website today by Mr RTC himself -

 

I have passed along information that I believe to be accurate. I make public what I can, but I do need to protect sources. Therefore, a lot of detail gets retained. The decision- in some form- is in the hands of counsel for both parties.

That does not provide any guidance on when it will be made public.

 

 

As he's usually bang on the money it looks like we shouldn't have to wait too much longer hopefully.

[Mysterion]

 

As he's usually bang on the money it looks like we shouldn't have to wait too much longer hopefully.

 

I half expect it to come out in December making it unfeasible for the authorities to do anything till late January and give the MSM/David Murray plenty of time to gloss over things/talk about the injustice of it all.

[The Gasman]

 

I half expect it to come out in December making it unfeasible for the authorities to do anything till late January and give the MSM/David Murray plenty of time to gloss over things/talk about the injustice of it all.

 

I don't think the FTT will worry about that, they'll just make the information public as/when they're ready to do so.

[Harry Palmer]

Tense times...

[jimthejambo]

here we go....

 

http://www.financeandtaxtribunals.gov.uk/judgmentfiles/j6851/TC02372.pdf

[Harry Palmer]

alex thomson ?@alextomo

Big Tax Case decision on Rangers FC - majority verdict says EBT loans are recoverable for tax purposes

 

Big Tax Case: "the payments are loans, not earnings, and so are recoverable from the employee or his estate."

 

 

 

Rangers Tax-Case ?@rangerstaxcase

Remuneration Trust represent emoluments... No appeal allowed!

 

 

James Cook ?@BBCJamesCook

By majority decision, the liquidated Rangers have won their tribunal appeal against a multi-million pound tax bill.

Edited November 20, 2012 by The Kurgan

[jambovambo]

here we go....

 

http://www.financeandtaxtribunals.gov.uk/judgmentfiles/j6851/TC02372.pdf

... all 140+ pages of it.

[Jammy T]

I'm a lawyer and I dont understand those tweet "headlines"....

 

Do i actually need to read the 140 pages??

[Mysterion]

The fallout from this is going to be fun....

 

I hope the first person the taxman visits is Billy Dodds...

[jambovambo]

161. Side-letters, of course, had not been registered with the football authorities, the SFA and SPL. The spirit of their rules was that the whole contract terms should be registered. Suspiciously, no evidence was led as to who decided that the benefits in terms of the side-letters should not be registered. Non-registration of side-letters was incompatible with both authorities? policing and disciplinary powers. For example any fines imposed on players would customarily reflect the disclosed wage. Non- disclosure would thwart the authorities? powers.

Edited November 20, 2012 by jambovambo

[2NaFish]

so the fallout is that anyone who got money has to give it back? or simply pay the tax due?

 

what's the story.

[Harry Palmer]

From what the radio said, it's the individuals that received the EBT payments that are liable for the tax.

[tartofmidlothian]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20414804

[The Gasman]

so the fallout is that anyone who got money has to give it back? or simply pay the tax due?

 

what's the story.

 

I'd guess that a lot of these individuals will be less than happy if that's the case, and may look at taking legal action to protect themselves, and what they'll see as "their" money.

[flecktimus]

If i understand correctly oldco has won and still went into liquidation.

[The Gasman]

so the fallout is that anyone who got money has to give it back? or simply pay the tax due?

 

what's the story.

 

I'd guess that a lot of these individuals will be less than happy if that's the case, and may look at taking legal action to protect themselves, and what they'll see as "their" money.

[Goldstone Wonder]

Unlucky Doddsy!