"Sack me" plea from Paulo Sergio

[the general]

When Brian clough was hanging the team sheet up on a wall with chewing gum and had to put buckets in the dressing room to catch the water from a leaking roof - do you think he cried and got his players to throw in the towel or did his team go out and win 1 league title and 2 European cups?

 

Was Bob Paisley greeting with he took Liverpool from a diddy team to the greatets team on the planet?

 

Sergio - listen up!!! Things are not great - just do yer effin job and get on with it!

 

 

got to admire your passion mate wish there was a few more like you

[blairdin]

tTe Rangers players could ALL be out of a job in the next month.

 

As could the Hearts players, but at least the Huns are all getting paid on time as per their contracts until then.

[blairdin]

Laryea Kingston was on 15K per week and constantly looked "lacklusture, uninterested, unmotivated, at times shambolic".

 

If ther are going to underperform then it is his job to sort it out - FACT.That is what he is paid to do.

 

Kick the boot up the arse and pick an XI that will perform.

 

Oh the irony..

[rossthejambo]

Question for all the people who are blaming economics rather than the manager and players.

 

Is it affecting Rangers?

 

Irrelevant as Rangers players are still getting paid.

[Tiberius Stinkfinger]

The Rangers players could ALL be out of a job in the next month.

 

Even if that where the case they are all better players than the shite we have so will get employment elsewhere.

 

They will also get their contracts paid in full as they will become creditors and as players get 1st dibs in the divvy up if the club goes tits up.

 

Put the dummy back in your cake hole ffs.

[i8hibsh]

Oh the irony..

 

 

The players who are playing are getting paid!

 

And paid handsomely at that.

[Erik]

With all due respect, you're talking nonsense.

 

Irrespective of the penalty, look at the team performance - we looked lacklusture, uninterested, unmotivated, at times shambolic. We missed chances, there were basic individual errors all over the park by the majority of the players throughout the entire 90 minutes. Hamil was one of many players having a poor game up until the penalty, the fans had been on his (and many other players) back and it was no real surprise he missed it.

 

Paulo Sergio is bang on the money with his comments and whilst I'm undecieded about his tactical nouse, he has my full backing on this issue.

 

The current fiasco is undoubtedly affecting the players - if your employer stopped paying you but still expected you to do your job would you be able or want to? Where I would question the players is, if it is affecting them as much as it seems to be, why are they not initiating action themselves through the union or the SPL? They are bang to rights on this issue and I like to think most decent minded fans would back them.

 

Nice one. You never answered my question though.

 

I fully accept that the situation will be having an adverse effect on general morale within the team, but to suggest, as Sergio has, that this is to blame for the individual mistakes is completely delusional.

 

Hamill didn't miss cos he isn't getting paid.

Kello didn't come a flapping cos he isn't getting paid.

[blairdin]

The players who are playing are getting paid!

 

And paid handsomely at that.

 

 

Paid handsomely? If we were honouring their contracts they would be, but we're not. So let me help you. You said of Sergio that "If ther are going to underperform then it is his job to sort it out - FACT.That is what he is paid to do". Only, he's not received his wages. And neither has most of the first team squad.

[blairdin]

Nice one. You never answered my question though.

 

I fully accept that the situation will be having an adverse effect on general morale within the team, but to suggest, as Sergio has, that this is to blame for the individual mistakes is completely delusional.

 

Hamill didn't miss cos he isn't getting paid.

Jello didn't come a flapping cos he isn't getting paid.

 

If morale is low and they are worrying about the lack of clarity about their outstanding salaries and future, players will make more basic, uncharecteristic and inexplicable mistakes.

[i8hibsh]

Paid handsomely? If we were honouring their contracts they would be, but we're not. So let me help you. You said of Sergio that "If ther are going to underperform then it is his job to sort it out - FACT.That is what he is paid to do". Only, he's not received his wages. And neither has most of the first team squad.

 

 

It is not as tho we were winning 5 nil every week before the wages fiasco happened tho man.

 

We have underperformed for ages.

 

We have only won 7 out of the last 31 SPL games.

 

It is clear it is the players not giving a shit, but it is clear that in any business the manager holds the can.

 

A fish smells from the head down.

[Rudy T]

There are a couple of fairly fundamental flaws in your post - you'll notice I've highlighted them.

 

"Professional" infers remuneration for services provided.

"Their livlihood depends..." not on performance, but on the whims of a capricious madman

"Overpaid" would suggest payment in the first place.

 

There isnt a business in the world where lack of pay - regardless of how much that pay is - affects the mindset of the employees. As fans, we'd take to the pitch for nothing. but the players aren't fans they're employees, and regardless of what you do as a job, no pay = reduced performance at the very best

Sergio is spot on in his post.

 

I think your losing sight of the facts here, we weren't exactly flying high at the top of the table when they were getting paid, they have been paid and are awaiting another payment - therefore this is an excuse by a utterly inept manager.

 

When the madman (and he's is an entirely different debate) tells them the wages have stopped completely they need to find another club - and there's 15 scouts in the stand - do you think they'll wander around the park aimlessly that day. They'll put the shift of their lives in, you can be sure. So while they are still employees of this club and payment is still being offered they should have the personal pride to go out there and do a job, even if what they are actually doing is playing for a transfer.

 

If this club means so little to these guys, and they are not PROFESSIONAL enough to play football to the best of their ability then they should be removed from the team asap.

 

I think you'll find they probably are but the complete misdirection from the manager is actually causing more problems.

 

There have been many examples over the last few years of clubs being in a terrible state - I can't remember any of their managers saying it had effected them so badly they couldn't play on the saturday.

 

He says the defence has lost concentration - do me a favour - Zal et al have been losing concentration for years !!

[i8hibsh]

I think your losing sight of the facts here, we weren't exactly flying high at the top of the table when they were getting paid, they have been paid and are awaiting another payment - therefore this is an excuse by a utterly inept manager.

 

When the madman (and he's is an entirely different debate) tells them the wages have stopped completely they need to find another club - and there's 15 scouts in the stand - do you think they'll wander around the park aimlessly that day. They'll put the shift of their lives in, you can be sure. So while they are still employees of this club and payment is still being offered they should have the personal pride to go out there and do a job, even if what they are actually doing is playing for a transfer.

 

If this club means so little to these guys, and they are not PROFESSIONAL enough to play football to the best of their ability then they should be removed from the team asap.

 

I think you'll find they probably are but the complete misdirection from the manager is actually causing more problems.

 

There have been many examples over the last few years of clubs being in a terrible state - I can't remember any of their managers saying it had effected them so badly they couldn't play on the saturday.

 

He says the defence has lost concentration - do me a favour - Zal et al have been losing concentration for years !!

 

 

 

^ THIS

[HMFC DkB]

It is not as tho we were winning 5 nil every week before the wages fiasco happened tho man.

 

We have underperformed for ages.

 

We have only won 7 out of the last 31 SPL games.

 

It is clear it is the players not giving a shit, but it is clear that in any business the manager holds the can.

 

A fish smells from the head down.

 

And "Csaba Sergio" has got 6 of these wins in his 14 spl games in charge leaving "Csaba Jefferies" with only 1 in 17

 

as much as i like JJ the abuse Paulo gets is unbelievable when you think of the way JJ was worshiped!

[mitch41]

Sergio's right, at any rate.

SERGIO'S right of course and the sooner romanov gets out of our lifes the better.

[i8hibsh]

And "Csaba Sergio" has got 6 of these wins in his 14 spl games in charge leaving "Csaba Jefferies" with only 1 in 17

 

as much as i like JJ the abuse Paulo gets is unbelievable when you think of the way JJ was worshiped!

 

 

We were unbeaten in 13 games under JJ. We are not even unbeaten in a single half with

this clown *

 

 

Next up - Celtic in Glasgow

 

 

 

* may not be strictly true

[Thunderstruck]

The OP is a regurgitation of what was said by the intellectuals on Sportscene last night. For that reason alone, I will not give it a second thought.

[JamboX2]

Look the money problems aside, the players do look lasckluster. I'm kinda in 2 minds on this. Of course wages come into it, but I think the ones who are down look like they have no interest in playing, and I'd put Zaliukas in that bracket. Where as Sutton, Temps, McGowan, Skacel (to an extent) and Jonsson all still look well up for it. So if the younger guys (and serious professionals) are still wanting to put in a shift get the boys who'll be wanting to do the same. Way Andy Driver is going on he's gagging on a game. For the next game I'd seriously consider this team;

 

Kello

Hammill Jonsson Webster McGowan

Driver Robinson Skacel Templeton

Elliott Sutton

 

Subs; MacDonald, Taouil, Smith, Novikovas, Barr, Balatoni, Stevenson

[i8hibsh]

Look the money problems aside, the players do look lasckluster. I'm kinda in 2 minds on this. Of course wages come into it, but I think the ones who are down look like they have no interest in playing, and I'd put Zaliukas in that bracket. Where as Sutton, Temps, McGowan, Skacel (to an extent) and Jonsson all still look well up for it. So if the younger guys (and serious professionals) are still wanting to put in a shift get the boys who'll be wanting to do the same. Way Andy Driver is going on he's gagging on a game. For the next game I'd seriously consider this team;

 

Kello

Hammill

Jonsson Webster McGowan

Driver Robinson Skacel Templeton

Elliott Sutton

 

Subs; MacDonald, Taouil, Smith, Novikovas, Barr , Balatoni, Stevenson

 

 

Apart from the facepalms it's a good team - unfortunately too offensive for the Portugese dud.

[HMFC DkB]

We were unbeaten in 13 games under JJ. We are not even unbeaten in a single half with

this clown *

 

 

Next up - Celtic in Glasgow

 

 

 

* may not be strictly true

 

yes and JJ was lucky he had a target man, a goalie who was the best in the league at the time (**** nos whats happened to kello), a captain who was left alone to play his games not booed for every slight mistake, a winger who thought he had made the big time because of 10 good performances (we will never see him play so well again IMO), and did not have a few of his horrible signings Webster and hammill

 

and the "We are not even unbeaten in a single half with this clown" is the funniest thing i have ever read, we have won 6 games you clown how can we do this by getting beat in every half

[JamboX2]

Apart from the facepalms it's a good team - unfortunately too offensive for the Portugese dud.

 

Thing is mate, those are the players we have. They're the only options. Any belief of new players arriving in the winter window are very misguided. Clubs on it's arse, and if the current first XI isn't working (which imo it's clearly not), then you have to use those on the side lines. Jonsson or Barr would be better if not as good as Zal atm. Time to get real and get one of them in and see if helps harden up that back line.

[heartsfc_fan]

Look the money problems aside, the players do look lasckluster. I'm kinda in 2 minds on this. Of course wages come into it, but I think the ones who are down look like they have no interest in playing, and I'd put Zaliukas in that bracket. Where as Sutton, Temps, McGowan, Skacel (to an extent) and Jonsson all still look well up for it. So if the younger guys (and serious professionals) are still wanting to put in a shift get the boys who'll be wanting to do the same. Way Andy Driver is going on he's gagging on a game. For the next game I'd seriously consider this team;

 

Kello

Hammill Jonsson Webster McGowan

Driver Robinson Skacel Templeton

Elliott Sutton

 

Subs; MacDonald, Taouil, Smith, Novikovas, Barr, Balatoni, Stevenson

 

Why does Taouil not get a place?

[Moriarty]

******* hell i8

[i8hibsh]

yes and JJ was lucky he had a target man, a goalie who was the best in the league at the time (**** nos whats happened to kello), a captain who was left alone to play his games not booed for every slight mistake, a winger who thought he had made the big time because of 10 good performances (we will never see him play so well again IMO), and did not have a few of his horrible signings Webster and hammill

 

and the "We are not even unbeaten in a single half with this clown" is the funniest thing i have ever read, we have won 6 games you clown how can we do this by getting beat in every half

 

 

You didn't notice the '*' then

[JamboX2]

Why does Taouil not get a place?

 

I'd be tempted to play him over Templeton, and keep Driver in. But I'd in that case take Novi out and put Temps on the bench. He can add something if he plays, and he does have spells in some games imo. So it's a bit of a 50/50. Considering Taouil, probably should've started him tbh.

[i8hibsh]

******* hell i8

 

 

I just seen on the home page that you have just posted. I said to myself that it was bound to be abuse for me.

 

And whaddayaknow???

[HMFC DkB]

You didn't notice the '*' then

 

i did but even thinking that is maybe a true fact is laughable

 

Least we must agree that paulo has done a better job with the players available than jefferies did?

[jamboinglasgow]

Apart from the facepalms it's a good team - unfortunately too offensive for the Portugese dud.

 

What is wrong with playing Jonsson?

[Moriarty]

I just seen on the home page that you have just posted. I said to myself that it was bound to be abuse for me.

 

And whaddayaknow???

 

Deserved abuse tbh.

 

Fair enough if you don't think Sergio is doing a good job, but to "utterly despise" our manager is ******* ridiculous. Its not like he has us at the bottom of the league ffs.

[Beats]

:Vlad-Stupid:

[Rudy T]

And "Csaba Sergio" has got 6 of these wins in his 14 spl games in charge leaving "Csaba Jefferies" with only 1 in 17

 

as much as i like JJ the abuse Paulo gets is unbelievable when you think of the way JJ was worshiped!

 

Your forgetting we added 4 players to JJ's squad - two full backs who at the start of the season looked very capable, a proven SPL goal scorer and a half decent midfielder....... Sergio comes in and we look one of the poorest Hearts sides in a long time.......... the penny has to drop soon this squad of players either cant or dont want to play his "style" so knock it on the head get results and when the confidence goes up start to introduce new ideas (if thats what in fact he has and its not all just talk)

 

A serious question - would you trust Sergio to progress the careers of our current U19's ??? I wouldn't and its looking increasingly likely thats what he'll be entrusted to do come January !

[rossthejambo]

What's with all the drama queenery? Players not been paid, not performing well. It's not ******* rocket science to see the connection.

 

Piling the blame on the manager (or Csaba Sergio - funny as a kick in the baws) is ridiculous. And coming out with the 7 wins in 31 games, bearing in mind he's only been in charge for 14 games it's nothing short of ridiculous to wheel that stat out.

 

 

[i8hibsh]

Deserved abuse tbh.

 

Fair enough if you don't think Sergio is doing a good job, but to "utterly despise" our manager is ******* ridiculous. Its not like he has us at the bottom of the league ffs.

 

 

not yet - but we are heading there.

[HMFC DkB]

Your forgetting we added 4 players to JJ's squad - two full backs who at the start of the season looked very capable, a proven SPL goal scorer and a half decent midfielder....... Sergio comes in and we look one of the poorest Hearts sides in a long time.......... the penny has to drop soon this squad of players either cant or dont want to play his "style" so knock it on the head get results and when the confidence goes up start to introduce new ideas (if thats what in fact he has and its not all just talk)

 

A serious question - would you trust Sergio to progress the careers of our current U19's ??? I wouldn't and its looking increasingly likely thats what he'll be entrusted to do come January !

 

JJ added 4 signings to squad you have to remember that,

 

grainger - better than expected first few games lost his way a bit and for a dead ball specialist 9 times out of 10 he doesnt beat the first man

 

hammill - no bad start, absolutly woeful recently

 

sutton - horrible start to his hearts career, coming on to a game last 2 weeks thanks to sergio giving him the boot up the arse he needed

 

tauoil (Spelling?) good at home, dont think he will be any good on a cold winters day up in inverness though

 

so not improved the squad at all if you ask me

 

yes i trust PS and murray to deal with the 19s fine thanks for asking!

[Moriarty]

not yet - but we are heading there.

 

No we aren't. stop being a drama queen.

 

If we do end up bottom of the league this season it won't be the fault of the manager.

[Dr. Bapswent]

The guy is a dud! A useless pile of shite.

 

I utterly despise him.

 

It's us that has 'one hand tied behind our backs' as we are stuck with him as we can't afford to sack him.

 

 

 

 

You are aware the bit in the middle exists aren't you?

[HMFC DkB]

not yet - but we are heading there.

 

haha imaging we get a result at the tattiedome next week, i think you will be really upset you cant come on Kickback to greet about "Csaba sergio"

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

Probably been said already but it's clear from what the manager is saying that the wage situation is affecting the players more than we are aware of. Perhaps when they walk on the park they are able to forget their wage problems, I know from my own amateur footballing days that no matter what problems I had they were forgotten about as soon as the game started, but the training and coaching of players must be very difficult when they don't know if or when they will be paid. Team spirit must be suffering and that is so important when things are going against a team and I wonder when the last time Sergio, or Locke, were able to say at half time 'now go out and earn your wages'. In the situation at the club I doubt if anyone could make a fair judgement on any manager and when English is not your first language finding the right words to say to motivate the team must be nigh on impossible. If Sergio manages to turn things around within the next few weeks, even if the players do get paid, then he must surely be one hell of a manager.

[i8hibsh]

haha imaging we get a result at the tattiedome next week, i think you will be really upset you cant come on Kickback to greet about "Csaba sergio"

 

 

 

If we get a result at the childhood of little boys screams on Sat - I will get a Csaba Sergio tatoo on my arm!

[i8hibsh]

Probably been said already but it's clear from what the manager is saying that the wage situation is affecting the players more than we are aware of.

 

 

Or he is conveniently using it as an excuse.

[Rudy T]

JJ added 4 signings to squad you have to remember that,

 

grainger - better than expected first few games lost his way a bit and for a dead ball specialist 9 times out of 10 he doesnt beat the first man

 

hammill - no bad start, absolutly woeful recently

 

sutton - horrible start to his hearts career, coming on to a game last 2 weeks thanks to sergio giving him the boot up the arse he needed

 

tauoil (Spelling?) good at home, dont think he will be any good on a cold winters day up in inverness though

 

so not improved the squad at all if you ask me

 

yes i trust PS and murray to deal with the 19s fine thanks for asking!

 

 

So the two full backs who both started well under JJ and at the start of PS's reign are now woeful - that will be whose fault ??? Not the manager surely ??

 

Sutton - scored two was dropped to the stand - had no competitive games and now has a run he's is looking better - but thats because the manager gave him a kick up the backside - you are joking, if PS hadn't dropped him in the first place he could have been playing like this every week !

 

Taouil - not fussy about even when he signed....But we do have a boy called Andy Driver who has also been punted by the great Sergio.

 

The point is its the managers job to get players playing well and teams to gel - I see no evidence of either. A midfielder up front at one point, the slowest most defensive midfield in the SPL and a bombscare at centre half, I'm seeing not improvement, no ideas, no change in system (wtf is system) - the boy is not the manager HMFC need, whether that makes him a bad manager is up for debate.

 

Murray - will have nothing to do with them when they make the first team by virtue of being too old for the 19's, it'll be the 2 coaches (who are they?) Lockie and PS.

 

Here's the role call - St Johnstone / ICT / Utd / St Mirren / Killie / Rangers we narrowly beat one team - ICT - is thats good management and good enough for HMFC ??? Our next 5 fixtures are Celtic / Motherwell / Pars / Aberdeen then Hibs - tell me how many points are acceptable from those 15 ??

[Moriarty]

If we get a result at the childhood of little boys screams on Sat - I will get a Csaba Sergio tatoo on my arm!

 

bookmarked

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

Or he is conveniently using it as an excuse.

He might be, but it's a bloody good excuse.

[Tommy Wiseau]

I remain convinced that i8 loves the reactions his larger than life, extreme, polemic posts get.

[FrankFrost]

I think your losing sight of the facts here, we weren't exactly flying high at the top of the table when they were getting paid, they have been paid and are awaiting another payment - therefore this is an excuse by a utterly inept manager.

 

Thats kind of irrelevant, and accepting that it wasnt exactly a thrill-fest before all this kicked off, it cannot exactly be helping the manager manage the day to day stuff, surely. If you're thinking "hang-on, I'm not getting paid, and I may be one of the ones who gets punted in January", it's got to affect your on-fieldf performance surely. Maybe not commit to 50/50's, maybe not chase back that bit extra - I dont know, but I refuse to belive its not harder to motivate anyone who's not get paid for doing their job than someone who is getting paid.

 

When the madman (and he's is an entirely different debate) tells them the wages have stopped completely they need to find another club - and there's 15 scouts in the stand - do you think they'll wander around the park aimlessly that day. They'll put the shift of their lives in, you can be sure. So while they are still employees of this club and payment is still being offered they should have the personal pride to go out there and do a job, even if what they are actually doing is playing for a transfer.

I dont necessarily agree - its the uncertainty thats doing the damage.

 

If this club means so little to these guys, and they are not PROFESSIONAL enough to play football to the best of their ability then they should be removed from the team asap.

 

I think you'll find they probably are but the complete misdirection from the manager is actually causing more problems.

 

Fair point, but the issue is that the club doesnt mean as much to them as it s does to the fans, and thats the case for the majority of players at every club who arent fans.

 

There have been many examples over the last few years of clubs being in a terrible state - I can't remember any of their managers saying it had effected them so badly they couldn't play on the saturday.

 

He says the defence has lost concentration - do me a favour - Zal et al have been losing concentration for years !!

 

Again, agree with most of this, but at most clubs where there's been crud going it eventually comes out that the party line of "we've a job to do on the park" isnt relly true, and it does affect players.

 

Whether or not Sergio is the right man for the job is almost a moot point - whats clear is that he is having issues getting the team to do what (presumably) he wants. Its either beicasue he's just a crap manager (possible), or that he is a manager working under truly bizarre and extreme circumstances

[winston churchill]

PS is lucky that wee vlad has lost interest and has taken his finger off the trigger.

 

The wee vlad of old would have had him papped weeks ago.

[The White Cockade]

Anybody who thinks that the players not being paid is not affecting their performance on the park is an absolute walloper

Unless they start being paid in full and on time the situation will get much worse and things are pretty dire as it is

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

I cannot believe that there are people who think that players not getting paid will not affect their performance. It is their job, not a hobby, even though it might be the best job in the world. A game of football is a game of football so the players might 'try' once they are on the park because it comes naturally to them, but during the week, when the manager is trying to motivate them, trying to get them to try something new, or just get better at what they've always done, that's when it becomes difficult. I've never been told in my job that I won't be getting paid, but know that, if I was, my motivation would disappear and my performance suffer until my salary was safely in my account and would get worse if it happened again the next month. I wonder how Bill Shankly, possibly the greatest motivator of all managers, would have got on in Sergio's situation if at half time, after a poor 1st half performance, he couldn't say 'now get out there and earn your wages'.

[Dr. Bapswent]

I remain convinced that i8 loves the reactions his larger than life, extreme, polemic posts get.

[4marsbars]

Does anyone really think PS will be at Hearts by the end of January? Putting money problems aside, he's done nothing to improve the performance of the team in the last few months.

 

I think a mutual termination of his contract would be best all round.

 

Except that if you look at the results from when he first came until when the players stopped getting paid (sometime between the Celtic win and the Rangers defeat, I can't remember exactly), and compare it with our results at the back end of last season there is no doubt that we improved under Sergio. He's done nothing to deserve getting the sack.

 

So, yes, I do think he will be at Hearts by the end of January.

[Big G]

I think a few posters live in la la land. Anyone who thinks that not getting paid is ok while being employed to do a job is seriously delusional.Most people who work for a living expect a check at the end of the week, I'm sure if you hadn't been paid for a while, you would be 120% committed to growing the business right ?

Yup, that's what I thought.