Busby2Gibson Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I'm not saying that Craig Gordon would have kept the second goal out, but I'm certain he would have got nearer to it than McGregor managed. Don't think McGregor has looked great at either of the goals tbh Still - it's not all over. All we need is Scotland to score more in a competitive match than they've done since in the second 45 mins against the World champions. Especially as it's clear Lithuania have let us down badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Some people hate their own national team and want it to fail. 29,295 Budgie Been to Tynecastle twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Missed the Naismith penalty shout first time. Just saw it now - looked like a clear pen to me. Puyol went clear off his feet and took him out with both of them. Never a penalty. Played the ball with both legs before making any contact with Naismith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhoe Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Levein's tactic of every one back for a corner annoyed me at tynecastle and he is still doing it now. Unless your goalie catches it cleanly it invites over 2 minutes of pressure. And i have been negative of the team tonight but i believe that we can be better and achieve more with more positive tactics and a bit more belief in the players we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 He's OK, and you have made progress, albeit not as much as was hoped. I fail to see this progress. It's been an absolutely pathetic campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 He doesn't - and he won't. Scotland were seeded 3rd; Scotland will finish 3rd. Scotland will make zero progress whatsoever if they keep firing manager after manager after every single qualifying campaign. The only manager Scotland actually sacked recently was Burley. In fact, he and Berti Vogts are the only managers Scotland have sacked since the mid-80s. Jock Stein - died in post. Alex Ferguson - caretaker. Andy Roxburgh - stepped down. Craig Brown - stepped down (if memory serves). Walter Smith - resigned. Alex McLeish - resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 We'll make zero progress under him too. He's shit. I'm not a fan of Craig as national manager we now have some decent young players and i don't think he can take scotland any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Never a penalty. Played the ball with both legs before making any contact with Naismith. 'Never' is way too harsh. He certainly took the man as well as the ball, well inside the area, with a two-footed tackle, and we have all seen them given many many times for much less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Did 'Naisy' forget we'd changed ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullen13 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Those thinking levein should be sacked would not have been saying the same if the ref hadn't given the Czechs that penalty. Also those saying that we are clearly better than the czechs are deluded. Our expectations are almost as cocky as the English. Decent campaign and we are improving. There are maybe 1 or 2 teams that could give the Spanish a game on their own turf... And one of them would be barca!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I fail to see this progress. It's been an absolutely pathetic campaign. We've won the games we should have, lost the games we should have and have a squad with more potential than this time last year. Don't see why he deserves the sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 29,295 Budgie Been to Tynecastle twice Did someone call? PS. Twice?! I think not. I fail to see this progress. It's been an absolutely pathetic campaign. It's been a standard sort of campaign. Not good; not bad either. Just normal. Anyone reading this thread would think Scotland made the play-offs all the time - but you haven't even managed that since 2003 (after scraping into 2nd in what really was a joke of a group), never mind not qualified for anything in what will now become 16 years. Bearing that in mind, developing a settled side whose ranking is improving and have played some good stuff at times constitutes progress. Things were never likely to turn around completely in the space of one campaign. If you'd finished 4th, he'd have to go - but hardly after maintaining your seeding, and narrowly failing to finish above a country with a massively better record in the modern era than Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Those thinking levein should be sacked would not have been saying the same if the ref hadn't given the Czechs that penalty. Also those saying that we are clearly better than the czechs are deluded. Our expectations are almost as cocky as the English. Decent campaign and we are improving. There are maybe 1 or 2 teams that could give the Spanish a game on their own turf... And one of them would be barca!! No. His daft 4-6 formation against the Czechs was bad enough on it's own for him to be sacked. Bad refereeing decisions happen but Craig had to throw caution to the wind tonight because he didn't against the Czechs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The only manager Scotland actually sacked recently was Burley. In fact, he and Berti Vogts are the only managers Scotland have sacked since the mid-80s. Jock Stein - died in post. Alex Ferguson - caretaker. Andy Roxburgh - stepped down. Craig Brown - stepped down (if memory serves). Walter Smith - resigned. Alex McLeish - resigned. OK. Scotland will make zero progress if they keep changing managers after every campaign. You mention Brown above. Would that be the same Craig Brown with the best record any Scotland manager's ever had, yet who routinely gets pelters on here for having been (sounds familiar from somewhere), "too negative"? You mention McLeish above. Would that be the same Alex McLeish whose achievements with the side are routinely ignored, but who gets continual pelters for one game in Georgia which was lost? Seems like Scotland managers can't win on here no matter what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I fail to see this progress. It's been an absolutely pathetic campaign. Thats not fair. You cant say there's been no progress. Spain scored after 5 mins in the first half. Look at the time elapsed in the second. OK not a lot of progress but still. Rome wasn't built in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 :stare: Threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Aye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 We've scraped past Liechtenstein TWICE. That night in Prague. Draw or bust. Against a really, really average side. The performances against Lithuania were brutal as well. We've played terribly throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby2Gibson Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Ok so we're going to have to do it the hard way now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 He doesn't - and he won't. Scotland were seeded 3rd; Scotland will finish 3rd. Scotland will make zero progress whatsoever if they keep firing manager after manager after every single qualifying campaign. we were seeded fourth were we not? regardless, I agree there's little point in sacking him. he's trying to build a squad that will compete in 2-4 years, hence the likes of Forrest getting games. if we can build a solid squad with young players who get to know each others games inside we'll be in with a chance. Levein's also working with the SFA to improve the domestic game too. yes, mistakes were made early in the campaign but Scotland are a long way from being a side that can expect to qualify. the only way to remedy this is the long job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Thats not fair. You cant say there's been no progress. Spain scored after 5 mins in the first half. Look at the time elapsed in the second. OK not a lot of progress but still. Rome wasn't built in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecjambo Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I would of happily seen Levein walk away after his 4-6-0 away to Czechs. Let's face it, we scrapped a win at home to pishy Liechtenstein as well. Poor campaign and we barely deserved to have a chance of getting through tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Some people hate their own national team and want it to fail. Its not surprising Scotland fail so badly these days, so many 'weak sperms' in our society that dont have any 'baws'. They just dont have it in them to stand up and be men, they would rather bitch and squabble like women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Did someone call? PS. Twice?! I think not. It's been a standard sort of campaign. Not good; not bad either. Just normal. Anyone reading this thread would think Scotland made the play-offs all the time - but you haven't even managed that since 2003 (after scraping into 2nd in what really was a joke of a group), never mind not qualified for anything in what will now become 16 years. Bearing that in mind, developing a settled side whose ranking is improving and have played some good stuff at times constitutes progress. Things were never likely to turn around completely in the space of one campaign. If you'd finished 4th, he'd have to go - but hardly after maintaining your seeding, and narrowly failing to finish above a country with a massively better record in the modern era than Scotland. This campaign has been a failure. Given we were never going to beat whoever we drew as the first seed, the rest of the group was as easy as we could have hoped for. Levein blew it by failing to attempt to win the games away to Lithuania and in the Czech Republic. Our three wins have been by one goal, two of those wins were again a team from a country the size of Falkirk and the other at home to a poor Lithuania team. Levein is avoiding scrutiny because of his friends in the media. If Berti Vogts had lead the team this time out then there would be outrage. Poor from Scotland, but especially poor from Craig Levein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 We've scraped past Liechtenstein TWICE. That night in Prague. Draw or bust. Against a really, really average side. The performances against Lithuania were brutal as well. We've played terribly throughout. It's a result business. Who would you bring in? There is absolutely no one available right now who would improve us any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Its not surprising Scotland fail so badly these days, so many 'weak sperms' in our society that dont have any 'baws'. They just dont have it in them to stand up and be men, they would rather bitch and squabble like women but paulo sergio does not have clue hoofball is the only way forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I genuinely despise him. Snap!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingers finest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 WE WANT 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 4-6-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 did anyone see that boy mouth ''you're shite'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 OK. Scotland will make zero progress if they keep changing managers after every campaign. You mention Brown above. Would that be the same Craig Brown with the best record any Scotland manager's ever had, yet who routinely gets pelters on here for having been (sounds familiar from somewhere), "too negative"? You mention McLeish above. Would that be the same Alex McLeish whose achievements with the side are routinely ignored, but who gets continual pelters for one game in Georgia which was lost? Seems like Scotland managers can't win on here no matter what they do. Craig Brown WAS too negative. He based his strategy around making Scotland hard to beat. It was effective, but he never dared bring in any new players. Berti Vogts was left with a past-it first team and no natural replacements for them. As for McLeish, he did well, but it's small wonder that people remember the Georgia game. We should have WON that impossible group. That one abject defeat made the huge achievements of the rest of the campaign a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Will there be a Spanish inquisition now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 It's a result business. Who would you bring in? There is absolutely no one available right now who would improve us any further. Jim Jefferies. I jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 We have made progress in the terms that the overall squad depth is maybe the best it has been this century and there are some good players coming through or found Scottish grans . CLs craven tactics in games when it has not be necessary has not helped , But that said Burley tried a more open style and was shot down and ridiculed . We have never been comfy in any game so far under CLs reign ,We have shown on the odd occasion what the better players in the squad are capable of . I dont think CLs style suits international football more a mid level league side . Think he will stay for the next campaign but expect the get Strachan in campaign to hit full steam if the WC qualifers dont start well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgaro Gomis Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Penalty Scotland! Game on? :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Missed the Naismith penalty shout first time. Just saw it now - looked like a clear pen to me. Puyol went clear off his feet and took him out with both of them. Think you need to watch it again then mate cos it was pique who made the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 BACK IN IT BOYS hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 We're going to win 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Lecter Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The comeback is on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 HAHAHAHA GGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I smell a two game ban coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Craig Brown WAS too negative. He based his strategy around making Scotland hard to beat. Yes he was but he knew when it was right to play a more attacking game against the right opposition . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Gallagher's 'a little bit cheeky comment' just took the sweet out of what was a bittersweet penalty to make it 3-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby2Gibson Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 That's got them rattled. They're clearly hanging on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Is that 3 goals we have scored against the world champions in our last 2 fixtures between us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Imagine we scored another one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Is that 3 goals we have scored against the world champions in our last 2 fixtures between us ? hobo-esque straw-clutching comment, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 Play-offs predictions: France v Estonia Portugal v Montenegro Czech Republic v Turkey Croatia v Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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