Homme Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Germany haven't lost an away qualifier in 83 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Basically before Sunday if Wales fail to win in Georgia or if Bosnia fail to beat Belgium at home a win in Slovenia will guarantee Scotland a play off spot. There are other options if they both win those games but we would know we were assured with a win if either happened. Exactly and that is the ideal scenario. If we go into the last round of games bottom of the 2nd place teams we all know what's going to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozyuzi Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If Scotland draw against Slovenia and Slovakia only manage an unlikely draw against Malta then we still finish 2nd - how would we stand in the 2nd place standings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I don't fancy the look of that goal difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 If Scotland draw against Slovenia and Slovakia only manage an unlikely draw against Malta then we still finish 2nd - how would we stand in the 2nd place standings? Would highly likely not be enough. 12pts isn't going to cut it unless a bunch of results went our way. It's probably even more unlikely we'd make it with 12pts than it is we'd fall short with a win. I'd put my neck on the line and stick by my prediction that 2 wins will see us in the play offs. We are half way there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If Scotland draw against Slovenia and Slovakia only manage an unlikely draw against Malta then we still finish 2nd - how would we stand in the 2nd place standings? Very unlikely scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Would highly likely not be enough. 12pts isn't going to cut it unless a bunch of results went our way. It's probably even more unlikely we'd make it with 12pts than it is we'd fall short with a win. I'd put my neck on the line and stick by my prediction that 2 wins will see us in the play offs. We are half way there!!We're also the only second placed team with negative goal difference so if it stays like that we can't be on equal points. EDIT except it wouldn't stay like that as a win would turn our -1 into at least a +1 Ah this is too much, and all expecting a win. For Scotland. In a big deciding game. bring it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poggs Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Germany haven't lost an away qualifier in 83 years. But didnt they get beat in Dublin by the republic in the last qualifiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 I don't fancy the look of that goal differenceFor it to come down to goal difference it's going to take a number of results. Us to win in Slovenia. Wales to beat Georgia away and Rep Ireland at home. Bosnia to beat Belgium at home and Estonia away. Sweden to get at least a point in Sweden. The reality is Scotland are looking good for a play off IF we win on Sunday. Big IF though!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Germany haven't lost an away qualifier in 83 years. world cup qualifiers only, as another poster pointed out ireland beat them during qualifying for the euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 world cup qualifiers only, as another poster pointed out ireland beat them during qualifying for the euros Yes wc qualifiers. I would say that 20+ campaigns without an away defeat is very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 It looks quite likely a win in Slovenia will be enough for a play off place. We might know for definite by the time we play with qualifiers being played on Friday and Saturday in other groups. Wales or Bosnia dropping points in either of their 2 games would mean 14 points will be enough for Scotland to enter the play off. Wales are away to Georgia tomorrow night, they've already dropped points against them in this campaign. Bosnia are at home to Belgium on Saturday, a Belgium win or draw would mean neither of the possible 2nd place finishers could match our 14 points in that group. 14 points would also be enough if Norway beat Northern Ireland in group C or Romania beat Denmark in group E in their final games. Need to get the win first though. Slovenia haven't conceded a home goal in the 2018 qualifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 It looks quite likely a win in Slovenia will be enough for a play off place. We might know for definite by the time we play with qualifiers being played on Friday and Saturday in other groups. Wales or Bosnia dropping points in either of their 2 games would mean 14 points will be enough for Scotland to enter the play off. Wales are away to Georgia tomorrow night, they've already dropped points against them in this campaign. Bosnia are at home to Belgium on Saturday, a Belgium win or draw would mean neither of the possible 2nd place finishers could match our 14 points in that group. 14 points would also be enough if Norway beat Northern Ireland in group C or Romania beat Denmark in group E in their final games. Need to get the win first though. Slovenia haven't conceded a home goal in the 2018 qualifiers. They have nothing to play for now, maybe that'll help. Anyone know if they're into helping Slovakia out historically for any reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Northern Ireland will be seeded, t goes on FIFA ranking. Berra v Lafferty It's in he stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 world cup qualifiers only, as another poster pointed out ireland beat them during qualifying for the euros Aye, well. That's shite then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Yes wc qualifiers. I would say that 20+ campaigns without an away defeat is very impressive. Scotland's close to a very good team drew 1-1 in 1969 http://www.scotlandfootballstats.co.uk/match-details/16-04-1969/scotland-west-germany https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/impromptuinc.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/1969-scotland-west-germany-1-1-0-1/amp/ http://emp3i.pro/mp3/scotland-v-west-germany-1969.html And lost 3-2 in return game in group. These games triggered the great respect of a certain B.Vogts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 They have nothing to play for now, maybe that'll help. Anyone know if they're into helping Slovakia out historically for any reason? I've had a look into it and there isn't any real connection between the two. Both got their independence in the 90's, Czechoslovakia split to form Czech Republic and Slovakia. Slovenia won their independence from Yugoslavia after a 10-day war. The don't share a border with each other. They've got similar names and similar flags, I was surprised there was no strong historical link between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Attractive women. As I?ve pointed out. People haven?t taken the hint about pictures though, which is poor form. You're welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Meanwhile drama in South America where Argentina still struggle http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2737195-argentina-peru-2018-world-cup-qualifier-ends-in-0-0-draw http://www.espn.co.uk/football/world-cup-qualifying-conmebol/65/blog/post/3221545/argentina-still-have-a-shot-at-the-2018-world-cup-after-shocking-peru-draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 It looks quite likely a win in Slovenia will be enough for a play off place. We might know for definite by the time we play with qualifiers being played on Friday and Saturday in other groups. Wales or Bosnia dropping points in either of their 2 games would mean 14 points will be enough for Scotland to enter the play off. Wales are away to Georgia tomorrow night, they've already dropped points against them in this campaign. Bosnia are at home to Belgium on Saturday, a Belgium win or draw would mean neither of the possible 2nd place finishers could match our 14 points in that group. 14 points would also be enough if Norway beat Northern Ireland in group C or Romania beat Denmark in group E in their final games. Need to get the win first though. Slovenia haven't conceded a home goal in the 2018 qualifiers. I think a win will definitely be enough. Sweden are on 10 and have Luxembourg and holland to play. The Luxembourg points don't count so they can only get 13 and if Holland will their last 2 games, including Sweden then they will be in second place but will also be on only 13 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The idea of going in to the final game of the group stage still with a very realistic chance of qualifying for the world cup fills me with joy and hope. The idea of 'needing' a win to make that a reality fills me with fear. I dare say even the most optimistic of Scots is quietly aware of how this usually pans out for us...... Hope though. Lets go with hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The idea of going in to the final game of the group stage still with a very realistic chance of qualifying for the world cup fills me with joy and hope. The idea of 'needing' a win to make that a reality fills me with fear. I dare say even the most optimistic of Scots is quietly aware of how this usually pans out for us...... Hope though. Lets go with hope. I've never been so confident - we can score goals now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I don't think i'll ever be confident when it comes to Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I've never been so confident - we can score goals now! 8 in the 7 games against the teams in our group (minus Malta) says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bolton Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I didn't believe we could do it until today. Worryingly, I'm now very confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bolton Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 8 in the 7 games against the teams in our group (minus Malta) says otherwise. One is enough. And we're averaging two per game in our last three games. A definite upturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 As much as he?s been an arse off the pitch in the past,(seems to have calmed down)and even though I?m not forgiving his Skacel incident; Griffiths has been absolutely integral to our revival,imo. It?s actually made a mockery of Strachan?s view, that when he wasn?t being picked, it was because he didn?t think he was physical enough, & couldn?t be trusted to lead the line for us. Despite doing it repeatedly for Celtic. He?s been consistently good. We've improved since he changed the team for the Wembley game. Berra as well as Griffiths. Mulgrew since then too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I know we?ve got to win our next game but see last night, loved the game. Felt a bit like the old days with passion, a wee bit of skill, buckets of belief and determination and the fans playing their part too. For today anyway, just going to enjoy the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I know we?ve got to win our next game but see last night, loved the game. Felt a bit like the old days with passion, a wee bit of skill, buckets of belief and determination and the fans playing their part too. For today anyway, just going to enjoy the win! Spot on mate, I'm just basking in it today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 One is enough. And we're averaging two per game in our last three games. A definite upturn. I was being feceesh faceetio fescesho faceitious a smart arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yabadabadoo1874again Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hampden park. That roar last night. Unbeatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hampden park. That roar last night. Unbeatable. I meant to say the same actually, I've fallen back in love a bit with Hampden recently, that was superb last night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 In terms of the play off draw seedings from FIFA rankings we need to wait for all the results. But looking at the rankings just now the most likely seeds are:- Italy Portugal / Switzerland Then Wales if they qualify as one of 8 best second place N.Ireland if they beat Norway But could also be Iceland, Sweden, Croatia. Denmark, Turkey are outsiders. Bosnia, Scotland, Greece for example all second seeds. Of course more countries in mix for second place especially. http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 But overall re above we could be facing Italy, Switzerland, Wales or N.Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The idea of going in to the final game of the group stage still with a very realistic chance of qualifying for the world cup fills me with joy and hope. The idea of 'needing' a win to make that a reality fills me with fear. I dare say even the most optimistic of Scots is quietly aware of how this usually pans out for us...... Hope though. Lets go with hope. I would have been more nervous if we had only needed a draw. No matter the intent, we would end up playing for the draw and we have to keep on the front foot; best form of defence etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 We've improved since he changed the team for the Wembley game. Berra as well as Griffiths. Mulgrew since then too.And Gordon. Despite the defeat we've been a different animal since wembley. If we'd set up properly earlier in the campaign we would be home and hosed by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I'm happier going away having to win Better than a draw is enough. That's like being in no man's land. Least we can go with clarity and purpose. Slovenia were poor at Hampden, suprisingly so. They are out, they'll have a small crowd, well bring loads. The mission is clear. The mission is possible. It's all set up gloriously, which way ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Meanwhile drama in South America where Argentina still struggle http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2737195-argentina-peru-2018-world-cup-qualifier-ends-in-0-0-draw http://www.espn.co.uk/football/world-cup-qualifying-conmebol/65/blog/post/3221545/argentina-still-have-a-shot-at-the-2018-world-cup-after-shocking-peru-draw Looking at the other games to be played, a draw should see them through to a play off spot. But they need to get that draw away to Ecuador. Where in the last 3 WCQ games they've played there, they've managed once, losing the other two. I'd like to see them do it. Normally it's good to see the big teams fail but the idea of a World Cup without Argentina doesn't feel right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Looking at the other games to be played, a draw should see them through to a play off spot. But they need to get that draw away to Ecuador. Where in the last 3 WCQ games they've played there, they've managed once, losing the other two. I'd like to see them do it. Normally it's good to see the big teams fail but the idea of a World Cup without Argentina doesn't feel right to me. I watched the match last night and they should have won, but once again a lack of goals was their downfall. This campaign has been completely shambolic and they continue to be footballs biggest underachievers. Fingers crossed for their last match, I have faith they will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Allen Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I meant to say the same actually, I've fallen back in love a bit with Hampden recently, that was superb last night! I thought that was a stone-wall penalty for the shove on Tierney early doors, although others beside me insist it was a free-kick and outside the box. No debate over the two yellow cards for them. Thought we absolutely dominated them, even when it was 11 v 11. Could argue that Martin should have been brought on a bit earlier to give us a target to aim for up front beside Griffiths. Thought the Anya sub was inspired as not only is he a natural right-sided player (unlike Tierney) he also was fresh and is more attack-minded. Was slightly underwhelmed by Phillips. Thought their GK was man-of-the-match. Also thought Berra was very solid for us and a real threat at set pieces. Griffiths with a deadball is arguably as good as anyone out there. His corners and free kicks are real asset. He also did well to slide the ball to Anya in the run up to our goal. Superb night overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambo_Jambo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I too got really excited but then I looked at some of the stats about Slovenia in this group. 4 home games 3 wins 1 draw (vs England 0-0) and 0 goals conceded. As others have said, they might be a little dispirited at being officially out of contention but this is a team that still seems fiercely proud of defending their goal and scores against people at home. Seem like the type to be able to shut down the game and nick a goal. No mean feat to go there and get a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I thought that was a stone-wall penalty for the shove on Tierney early doors, although others beside me insist it was a free-kick and outside the box. No debate over the two yellow cards for them. Thought we absolutely dominated them, even when it was 11 v 11. Could argue that Martin should have been brought on a bit earlier to give us a target to aim for up front beside Griffiths. Thought the Anya sub was inspired as not only is he a natural right-sided player (unlike Tierney) he also was fresh and is more attack-minded. Was slightly underwhelmed by Phillips. Thought their GK was man-of-the-match. Also thought Berra was very solid for us and a real threat at set pieces. Griffiths with a deadball is arguably as good as anyone out there. His corners and free kicks are real asset. He also did well to slide the ball to Anya in the run up to our goal. Superb night overall. Agreed, stonewall penalty - it was foul and it was inside the box. I thought Philips did his job effectively if not spectacularly but agree with everything else. Apart from the goal, Martin gave me the best moment of the night - that shot off the crossbar was so clever, he shaped up like he was going to drive a ball to the far post but swung a demon of a shot the other way instead. The keeper dived the right way but was nowhere near it, it deserved to be a couple of inches lower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 But didnt they get beat in Dublin by the republic in the last qualifiers?Did we not beat them 1-0 at Hampden 10 years or so ago? * edit - Scrap that it was a 1-1 draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I too got really excited but then I looked at some of the stats about Slovenia in this group. 4 home games 3 wins 1 draw (vs England 0-0) and 0 goals conceded. As others have said, they might be a little dispirited at being officially out of contention but this is a team that still seems fiercely proud of defending their goal and scores against people at home. Seem like the type to be able to shut down the game and nick a goal. No mean feat to go there and get a result. TBH that kind of game is much more suited to us than one we're expected to win against weak opponents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Comment I got from a SEVCO fan this morning - "I thought Strachan was supposed to be picking players in form for their clubs, how the **** is Berra getting a game, has he no been watching Hearts" Second comment: "why is Strachan no giving the youngsters a chance?" I asked him to name the youngsters he thought should be in there, reply :"Young laddie at Celtic (McGregor??) and the boy at Hibs (McGinn??) Had to bite ma tongue and no bite Thought Berra was outstanding again last night, and although not a fan of his, wee Bannan run himself into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I too got really excited but then I looked at some of the stats about Slovenia in this group. 4 home games 3 wins 1 draw (vs England 0-0) and 0 goals conceded. As others have said, they might be a little dispirited at being officially out of contention but this is a team that still seems fiercely proud of defending their goal and scores against people at home. Seem like the type to be able to shut down the game and nick a goal. No mean feat to go there and get a result. We won't want to concede first, that for sure. But it's a game we can win, we have form and purpose. Massive n Football, or sport in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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