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If I get all hopeful and rearrange stuff around 2pm then it won't happen. Of this I am sure.

I'm going to wander away from this thread and do other stuff for a while.

 

Fingers and toes crossed. C'mon Gods of Football, you know what to do and how to do it.

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The views of some Celtic fans:

 

This is a disgrace. My flights are at 10am tomorrow morning and I'm sitting here without euros and travel insurance because I can't purchase them until I know. Anyone on here good with the law stuff and in the know?

 

Almost 48hrs before kick off and 2 clubs are preparing trips to Madrid for a game. Ath madrid at this stage dont even know who is playing. Supporters of Madrid want to see Celtic.They have never even heard of Sion. Celtic supporters have and are travelling as we speak to the game and no doubt the crazy Swiss are travelling aswell. Uefa have well and truelly effed up and should be ashamed of themselves. To many of the public are out of pockets because of these clowns whoever they support
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Does anyone know why Sion had the initial transfer embargo placed on them?

something to do with last year signing a player under the webster ruling,

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The views of some Celtic fans:

 

 

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This is a disgrace. My flights are at 10am tomorrow morning and I'm sitting here without euros and travel insurance because I can't purchase them until I know. Anyone on here good with the law stuff and in the know?

 

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Almost 48hrs before kick off and 2 clubs are preparing trips to Madrid for a game. Ath madrid at this stage dont even know who is playing. Supporters of Madrid want to see Celtic.They have never even heard of Sion. Celtic supporters have and are travelling as we speak to the game and no doubt the crazy Swiss are travelling aswell. Uefa have well and truelly effed up and should be ashamed of themselves. To many of the public are out of pockets because of these clowns whoever they support

 

 

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

:lol: UP YE VERMIN! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Does anyone know why Sion had the initial transfer embargo placed on them?

http://news.bbc.co.u...ica/7269503.stm

 

The article mentions Hearts in it too.

 

Last summer Sion were subsequently banned from signing players for two transfer windows. This is the crux of the argument. Sion took that to be the window that was open when the ban was served (Summer 2010) and January 2011. UEFA argue that it applied to the two following windows, January 2011 and Summer 2011. As Sion recruited players in the Summer 2011 window, they were deemed by UEFA to have fielded ineligible players against Celtic.

 

It appears that the Sion court agreed with FC Sion's interpretation.

 

UEFA and FIFA believe that they are above international laws and normally take action against clubs or associations that use national courts in this way. However, as UEFA themselves are based in Switzerland, it will be interesting to see how they handle the Sion court's ruling.

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http://news.bbc.co.u...ica/7269503.stm

 

The article mentions Hearts in it too.

 

Last summer Sion were subsequently banned from signing players for two transfer windows. This is the crux of the argument. Sion took that to be the window that was open when the ban was served (Summer 2010) and January 2011. UEFA argue that it applied to the two foillowing windows, January 2011 and Summer 2011. As Sion recruited players in the Summer 2011 window, they were deemed by UEFA to have fielded ineligible players against Celtic.

 

It appears that the Sion court agreed with FC Sion's interpretation.

 

UEFA and FIFA believe that they are above international laws and normally take action against clubs or associations that use national courts in this way. However, as UEFA themselves are based in Switzerland, it will be interesting to see how they handle the Sion court's ruling.

 

Celtic surely cant have issue with this as they too like to challenge the authorities with their own interpretation of rulings. The're is no way they will be hypocritical if the ruling goes in Sion's favour... :rolleyes:

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Tis a bit of a shame for Atheltico - two days to go and not knowing who they are facing.

 

Other than that though, blooming hilarious. The timothy meltdown will be a sight to behold if this does actually play out in Sions favour.

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I read somewhere (looking for the link but can I find it?) that Sion had previously challenged the ruling and are allowed to use the players in the domestic league. I don't know how accurate that is but if so why allow them in one league and not in another?

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I read somewhere (looking for the link but can I find it?) that Sion had previously challenged the ruling and are allowed to use the players in the domestic league. I don't know how accurate that is but if so why allow them in one league and not in another?

 

I'm sure they went through the courts/their own FA for that as well and as such believed they where allowed to field them in Europe as well.

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Should have gone to the sherriff court for a fair decision!

 

Anyone know what the grounds are for the decision? (except they're Swiss and we're a Swiss court)

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Celtic surely cant have issue with this as they too like to challenge the authorities with their own interpretation of rulings. The're is no way they will be hypocritical if the ruling goes in Sion's favour... :rolleyes:

 

******* love karma!

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something to do with last year signing a player under the webster ruling,

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.u...ica/7269503.stm

 

The article mentions Hearts in it too.

 

Last summer Sion were subsequently banned from signing players for two transfer windows. This is the crux of the argument. Sion took that to be the window that was open when the ban was served (Summer 2010) and January 2011. UEFA argue that it applied to the two following windows, January 2011 and Summer 2011. As Sion recruited players in the Summer 2011 window, they were deemed by UEFA to have fielded ineligible players against Celtic.

 

It appears that the Sion court agreed with FC Sion's interpretation.

 

UEFA and FIFA believe that they are above international laws and normally take action against clubs or associations that use national courts in this way. However, as UEFA themselves are based in Switzerland, it will be interesting to see how they handle the Sion court's ruling.

 

 

Cheers.

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Can see Uefa re instaing Sion and playing a group of 5

 

Why would they do that?

 

If this was to happen we should demand to be placed as the 5th team in the same group as Spurs. Infact, just put everyone back in and pull those teams out of their domestic leagues thus creating a proper Europa League for the rest of this season.

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Just supposing UEFA did a u-turn would Smellic then not 100% lodge their own appeal. When would that be heard ? Tomorrow ? Lunchtime before the game ? Whilst all 3 teams were warming up ? What a shambles.

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Just supposing UEFA did a u-turn would Smellic then not 100% lodge their own appeal. When would that be heard ? Tomorrow, lunchtime before the game ? Whilst all 3 teams were warming up ? What a shambles.

 

I'm not sure on what basis Celtic could hope to win, if Sion won their appeal.

 

Given that Celtic were horsed by Sion in the previous round.

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Civil courts, or the threat of them being used, is already turning over rules of football associations.

Bosman and Levein in his stand off with the SFA as Hearts manager are obvious examples.

 

Along with Celtic challange of the disciplinary process

 

As amusing as it would be, I can't see UEFA backing down now.

 

Agreed but all of football UEFA will have to look at their rules to ensure they comply with European law

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ohwell court of arbitration next then

 

Court of arbitration rule at half time of Atletico v Celtic, throwing Celtic out and putting Sion back in. Sion replace Celtic for the second half; the Spanish police escort TGFITW off the premises, administering a bunch of chinnings to anyone failing to lick their boots in the process.

 

:pleasing:

 

The following day, while Celtic spokesman Paul McBride describes Sion and the CAS as all part of the great anti-Catholic conspiracy which his brave warriors have been fighting against ever since their club's inception, FIFA throw the Swiss FA out, because of Sion having challenged the footballing authorities. FIFA and UEFA are:

 

:seething:

 

The Swiss government says: "You can't do that!" :sob:

 

FIFA and UEFA say: "Oh yes we can". :verysmug:

 

The Swiss government says: "In that case, we are removing both organisation's jurisdictions to exist in our country. Oh, and we're launching full criminal investigations into both too." :smuggy::detective:

 

That afternoon, Mr Blatter is led away in handcuffs, while screaming "look at my wad! Look at my wad!"

 

:usualbet:

 

Everyone else on the entire planet says:

 

:yas:

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I don't know much about the whys, wherefores and governance issues involved in this stuff but everytime there's as much as a sniff of legal intervention in these situations, everyone tends to get very nervy and excited. I can only imagine that this happens because, like me, not many folk understand it and maybe that's because there's lots of grey area that needs to be cleared up in terms of how much power these football organisations actually have....or how many rights they can actually take away from their member countries or clubs....

 

It's about time something happened to clear that stuff up. Doubt it'll be this case, mind.

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I don't know much about the whys, wherefores and governance issues involved in this stuff but everytime there's as much as a sniff of legal intervention in these situations, everyone tends to get very nervy and excited. I can only imagine that this happens because, like me, not many folk understand it and maybe that's because there's lots of grey area that needs to be cleared up in terms of how much power these football organisations actually have....or how many rights they can actually take away from their member countries or clubs....

 

It's about time something happened to clear that stuff up. Doubt it'll be this case, mind.

 

As I understand it, and above all in FIFA's case, there are no rules which govern it: FIFA is accountable to no-one. And it's within FIFA's statutes that if member clubs or associations challenge its legal authority, those clubs or associations are thrown out.

 

This is what has stopped governments everywhere from calling FIFA to account, and demanding it is criminally investigated - because what government anywhere would want to be blamed by the public for their clubs no longer being allowed to play? That FIFA and UEFA are both registered in Switzerland is, of course, not exactly a coincidence either.

 

However - the Swiss authorities are becoming more and more exasperated with the constant stench surrounding FIFA. And surely any organisation can't be considered private, and must be subject, in this case, to European law? Unless, of course, all members of that organisation sign, as part of the requirements of their admission and membership, a waiver to all rights under national or supranational law, which grants express legal authority to the organisations in question?

 

That's how it appears to me. That, essentially, is how FIFA and UEFA are able to do what they want, when they want. :down:

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When the FA and to a lesser extent the SFA tried to stand up to Blatter and his cronies the Swiss FA(i know its UEFA that have thrown Sion out) were quite happy to stand back and laugh,for that reason **** them,the hierarchy of FIFA and UEFA are a joke but we had a chance to bin the "jobs for the boys" brigade but they all sat back and laughed at the FA.

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As I understand it, and above all in FIFA's case, there are no rules which govern it: FIFA is accountable to no-one. And it's within FIFA's statutes that if member clubs or associations challenge its legal authority, those clubs or associations are thrown out.

 

This is what has stopped governments everywhere from calling FIFA to account, and demanding it is criminally investigated - because what government anywhere would want to be blamed by the public for their clubs no longer being allowed to play? That FIFA and UEFA are both registered in Switzerland is, of course, not exactly a coincidence either.

 

However - the Swiss authorities are becoming more and more exasperated with the constant stench surrounding FIFA. And surely any organisation can't be considered private, and must be subject, in this case, to European law? Unless, of course, all members of that organisation sign, as part of the requirements of their admission and membership, a waiver to all rights under national or supranational law, which grants express legal authority to the organisations in question?

 

That's how it appears to me. That, essentially, is how FIFA and UEFA are able to do what they want, when they want. :down:

 

 

So kinda along the same lines as our own GFA.

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jambo-in-furness

dont worry itl be a laugh every other thursday watching them get pumped

Aye! sadly as the coin rolls in :angry:

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The Fact the UEFA didnt postpone the Athletico/Celtic game means they had no intention of re installing Sion

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Fifa/Uefa are membership bodies like the SFA and other associations. They will be governed by constitutions and contract law. If a member doesn't like a decision they can go through a court. Courts don't have the power to reinstate although they could award damages. Cross border makes this more difficult as you are dealing with many different legal systems.

 

The likes of Sion and every other football club have agreed to Uefa/Fifa/Association rules and are bound by them. This includes the discipline aspect and the fact Uefa have the powers to expel.

 

Sion were never winning this one and won't win on appeal at CAS, or anywhere else.

 

As much as I would love to see celtic thrown out again it won't happen and if I am being honest it would be a dangerous precedent as Uefa ruled, Sion ignored, by not punishing them they would be opening up the doors to the big boys to do what they want when they want.

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As I understand it, and above all in FIFA's case, there are no rules which govern it: FIFA is accountable to no-one. And it's within FIFA's statutes that if member clubs or associations challenge its legal authority, those clubs or associations are thrown out.

 

This is what has stopped governments everywhere from calling FIFA to account, and demanding it is criminally investigated - because what government anywhere would want to be blamed by the public for their clubs no longer being allowed to play? That FIFA and UEFA are both registered in Switzerland is, of course, not exactly a coincidence either.

 

However - the Swiss authorities are becoming more and more exasperated with the constant stench surrounding FIFA. And surely any organisation can't be considered private, and must be subject, in this case, to European law? Unless, of course, all members of that organisation sign, as part of the requirements of their admission and membership, a waiver to all rights under national or supranational law, which grants express legal authority to the organisations in question?

 

That's how it appears to me. That, essentially, is how FIFA and UEFA are able to do what they want, when they want. :down:

 

Got a quick and dirty solution for the gruesome twosome (the other gruesome twosome, not our own two homeinbred ones).

 

 

Greece as we know are a bit short in the money department are they not? Supposing FIFA & EUFA buy a reasonably large (uninhabited ) island from the Greeks and create their own sovereign state. It would take them out of the Swiss and EU legal jurisdiction (amongst other pesky legal niceties), they could even apply for membership of the UN. If it was big enough they could build a large stadium in to play the WC & CL finals and keep even more money to themselves?

 

 

They might also cede a small 30 x 30 metre plot to the GFA to do the same from.

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