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17 in a Row

 

1983-09-03 Sat Hearts 3-2 Hibernian L Premier 19206 Robertson;Robertson;Bone; [Ralph Callachan;William Irvine;] link--->

1983-11-05 Sat Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L Premier 21281 Robertson; [bobby Thomson;] link--->

1984-01-02 Mon Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 23499 Park; [William Irvine;] link--->

1984-04-21 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Premier 17437 link--->

1984-08-25 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L Premier 16724 Levein;OConnor; [Paul James Kane;] link--->

1984-10-27 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Premier 20156 link--->

1985-01-01 Tue Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L Premier 18925 Mackay;Clark; [William George Jamieson;] link--->

1985-04-02 Tue Hearts 2-2 Hibernian L Premier 17814 Robertson;Clark; [Joseph McBride;Joseph McBride;] link--->

1985-08-31 Sat Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L Premier 17457 Colquhoun;Clark; [Gordon Scott Durie;] link--->

1985-11-09 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Premier 19776 link--->

1986-01-01 Wed Hearts 3-1 Hibernian L Premier 25605 Jardine I;Robertson;Clark; [Colin Harris;] link--->

1986-03-22 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L Premier 20956 Clark;Robertson pen; [steven J Cowan;] link--->

1986-08-30 Sat Hibernian 1-3 Hearts L Premier 20714 Clark;Jardine I;Robertson; [Joseph McBride;] link--->

1986-11-01 Sat Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 22178 Mackay G pen; [Joseph McBride;] link--->

1987-01-06 Tue Hibernian 2-2 Hearts L Premier 22928 Colquhoun;Colquhoun; [George McKinlay Cassidy J McCluskey;Michael Graham Weir;] link--->

1987-04-04 Sat Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L Premier 19731 MacDonald;Clark; [MacDonald og;] link--->

1987-08-29 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L Premier 24496 Robertson; link--->

 

Hibs 6 in a row

 

1987-10-17 Sat Hibernian 2-1 Hearts L Premier 23390 Robertson; [Edward Skillion May;Paul James Kane;] link--->

1988-01-02 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Premier 28992 link--->

1988-03-19 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Premier 20870 link--->

1988-08-27 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Premier 23760 link--->

1988-11-12 Sat Hearts 1-2 Hibernian L Premier 23062 McPherson; [Paul James Kane;Steven Archibald;] link--->

1989-01-04 Wed Hibernian 1-0 Hearts L Premier 27219 [Edward Skillion May;] link--->

 

 

22 in a row

 

1989-04-01 Sat Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L Premier 22090 Bannon;Robertson; [Keith M Houchen;] link--->

1989-08-26 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L Premier 22731 Musemic; link--->

1989-11-04 Sat Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L Premier 19104 Bannon; [steven Archibald;] link--->

1990-01-01 Mon Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L Premier 25224 Robertson pen;Robertson; link--->

1990-03-31 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L Premier 17373 Robertson;Robertson; [Michael Graham Weir;] link--->

1990-09-15 Sat Hibernian 0-3 Hearts L Premier 19813 Robertson;Levein;Robertson; link--->

1990-11-24 Sat Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 19004 Berry; [Keith M Houchen;] link--->

1991-01-02 Wed Hibernian 1-4 Hearts L Premier 13601 McKinlay;McPherson;Mackay;Levein; [MacKay Gary og;] link--->

1991-03-23 Sat Hearts 3-1 Hibernian L Premier 14221 Levein;Wright;Robertson; [Joseph Tortolano;] link--->

1991-08-31 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Premier 22208 link--->

1991-11-02 Sat Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L Premier 19831 Robertson; [Keith Arthur Wright;] link--->

1992-01-01 Wed Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 20358 Ferguson I; [Thomas McIntyre pen;] link--->

1992-03-21 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L Premier 14429 Gordon Hunter og;Ferguson I; [Michael Graham Weir;] link--->

1992-08-22 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Premier 15937 link--->

1992-11-07 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L Premier 17342 Baird; link--->

1993-01-02 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Premier 21657 link--->

1993-03-20 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L Premier 13740 Robertson; link--->

1993-08-21 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L Premier 17283 Johnston A; link--->

1993-10-30 Sat Hibernian 0-2 Hearts L Premier 18505 Colquhoun;Colquhoun; link--->

1994-01-12 Wed Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 24139 Millar; [Keith Arthur Wright;] link--->

1994-02-20 Sun Hibernian 1-2 Hearts SC 20953 4th Robertson;Foster; [Keith Arthur Wright;] link--->

1994-04-30 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Premier 14213 link--->

 

 

 

1994-08-27 Sat Hearts 0-1 Hibernian L Premier 12371 [Gordon Hunter;] link--->

1994-10-29 Sat Hibernian 2-1 Hearts L Premier 13622 Robertson pen; [Darren Jackson;Michael Andrew Martin O'Neill;] link--->

 

1995-01-18 Wed Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L Premier 12630 McPherson;Millar J; link--->

 

1995-05-06 Sat Hibernian 3-1 Hearts L Premier 7122 Hagen; [Michael Graham Weir;Keith Arthur Wright;Kevin Patrick Harper;] link--->

1995-10-01 Sun Hibernian 2-2 Hearts L Premier 12374 McPherson;Robertson; [Graeme Still Donald;Patrick David McGinlay;] link--->

 

 

1995-11-19 Sun Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L Premier 12074 Millar;Robertson pen; [Christopher Robert Jackson;] link--->

1996-01-01 Mon Hibernian 2-1 Hearts L Premier 14872 Pointon; [Kevin Patrick Harper;Michael Andrew Martin O'Neill;] link--->

 

 

8 in a row

 

1996-03-16 Sat Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 14923 Mackay; [Andrew James Dow;] link--->

1996-09-28 Sat Hibernian 1-3 Hearts L Premier 14217 Cameron;Cameron;Robertson; [Darren Jackson pen;] link--->

1996-11-16 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Premier 15129 link--->

1997-01-01 Wed Hibernian 0-4 Hearts L Premier 15826 Robertson;Hamilton;Cameron;Hamilton; link--->

1997-03-15 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L Premier 15136 McCann; link--->

1997-08-30 Sat Hibernian 0-1 Hearts L Premier 15565 McCann; link--->

1997-11-08 Sat Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L Premier 16739 Robertson;Quitongo; link--->

 

 

 

1998-01-01 Thu Hearts 2-2 Hibernian L Premier 17564 Fulton;Fulton; [Andrew Francis Walker;Patrick David McGinlay;] link--->

 

Hibs only lose 1 in 12

 

1998-04-11 Sat Hibernian 2-1 Hearts L Premier 15530 Robertson; [barry Lavety;Kevin Patrick Harper;] link--->

1999-08-14 Sat Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 16976 McSwegan; [Russell Nigel Latapy pen;] link--->

1999-12-19 Sun Hearts 0-3 Hibernian L SPL 17954 [Dirk Lehmann;Franck Gaston Henri Sauzee;Kenneth Miller;] link--->

2000-03-18 Sat Hibernian 3-1 Hearts L SPL 15908 Jackson; [Russell Nigel Latapy;Franck Gaston Henri Sauzee;Mika-Matti Petteri Paatelainen;] link--->

2000-05-21 Sun Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L SPL 17391 Juanjo;McSwegan; [Mika-Matti Petteri Paatelainen;] link--->

2000-07-30 Sun Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L SPL 17132 link--->

2000-10-22 Sun Hibernian 6-2 Hearts L SPL 12926 Kirk;Cameron; [Mika-Matti Petteri Paatelainen;Mika-Matti Petteri Paatelainen;David Zitelli;Mika-Matti Petteri Paatelainen;John Thomas O'Neil;Russell Nigel Latapy;] link--->

2000-12-26 Tue Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L SPL 17619 McSwegan; [stuart Andrew Lovell;] link--->

2001-05-13 Sun Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L SPL 8913 link--->

2001-10-21 Sun Hibernian 2-1 Hearts L SPL 13774 Simmons; [ulises de la Cruz;Ulises de la Cruz;] link--->

2001-12-29 Sat Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L SPL 17474 McKenna; [John Thomas O'Neil;] link--->

 

 

2002-03-16 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L SPL 13240 Severin;Pressley pen; [Garry Lawrence O'Connor;] link--->

2002-08-11 Sun Hearts 5-1 Hibernian L SPL 15245 Kirk;De Vries;De Vries;De Vries;De Vries; [ian William Murray;] link--->

2002-11-03 Sun Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L SPL 15660 McKenna;Stamp; [Mika-Matti Petteri Paatelainen;] link--->

2003-01-02 Thu Hearts 4-4 Hibernian L SPL 17332 Pressley pen;De Vries;Weir;Weir; [Derek Johnstone Townsley;Thomas Kelly McManus;Craig Peter James;Grant Ian Brebner;] link--->

 

 

A mixed bunch with Hearts winning the big Cup game Hibs the wee cup game

 

2003-08-17 Sun Hibernian 1-0 Hearts L SPL 14803 [Garry Lawrence O'Connor;] link--->

2003-11-23 Sun Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L SPL 16632 Alen Orman og;Gary Smith og; link--->

2004-02-15 Sun Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 15016 Pressley pen; [Derek George Riordan;] link--->

2004-10-24 Sun Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L SPL 16720 Kisnorbo;Hamill; [Derek George Riordan;] link--->

2005-01-02 Sun Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 17259 Hartley; [Derek George Riordan;] link--->

2005-04-13 Wed Hearts 1-2 Hibernian L SPL 17676 Miller; [Garry Lawrence O'Connor;Dean Shiels;] link--->

2005-04-23 Sat Hibernian 2-2 Hearts L SPL 16620 Miller;Webster; [Garry Lawrence O'Connor;Derek George Riordan;] link--->

2005-08-07 Sun Hearts 4-0 Hibernian L SPL 16459 Skacel;Hartley pen;Simmons;Mikoliunas; link--->

2005-10-29 Sat Hibernian 2-0 Hearts L SPL 17180 [Guillaume Buezelin;Garry Lawrence O'Connor;] link--->

2006-01-28 Sat Hearts 4-1 Hibernian L SPL 17371 Hartley;Skacel;Hartley pen;Elliot; [Garry Lawrence O'Connor;] link--->

2006-04-02 Sun Hibernian 0-4 Hearts SC 43180 SF Hartley;Hartley;Jankauskas;Hartley pen; link--->

2006-04-22 Sat Hibernian 2-1 Hearts L SPL 16654 Bednar; [Derek George Riordan;Abdessalam Benjelloun;] link--->

2006-10-15 Sun Hibernian 2-2 Hearts L SPL 16623 Velicka;Velicka; [Merouane Zemamma;Christopher John Killen;] link--->

2006-11-08 Wed Hibernian 1-0 Hearts LC 15825 QF [Robert William Jones;] link--->

2006-12-26 Tue Hearts 3-2 Hibernian L SPL 17369 Hartley;Jankauskas;Mikoliunas; [Christopher John Killen;Dean Shiels pen;] link--->

2007-04-01 Sun Hibernian 0-1 Hearts L SPL 15953 Zaliukas; link--->

2007-05-12 Sat Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L SPL 16443 Pospisil;Driver; link--->

2007-08-06 Mon Hearts 0-1 Hibernian L SPL 16436 [brian [1] Kerr;] link--->

2007-11-04 Sun Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 17015 Nade; [berra og;] link--->

2008-01-19 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L SPL 17131 Velicka; link--->

2008-10-19 Sun Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 17030 Aguiar; [steven Fletcher;] link--->

2009-01-03 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L SPL 17244 link--->

2009-01-11 Sun Hibernian 0-2 Hearts SC 14837 4th Nade;Glen; link--->

2009-03-14 Sat Hibernian 1-0 Hearts L SPL 15091 [steven Fletcher;] link--->

2009-05-07 Thu Hearts 0-1 Hibernian L SPL 14714 [Derek George Riordan pen;] link--->

 

 

8 and counting .....

 

2009-11-07 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L SPL 16762 link--->

2010-01-03 Sun Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 16949 Smith G; [Anthony Stokes;] link--->

2010-03-20 Sat Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L SPL 17126 Driver;Glen; [Derek George Riordan;] link--->

2010-05-01 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L SPL 11277 Suso;Obua; [Anthony Stokes pen;] link--->

2010-11-07 Sun Hibernian 0-2 Hearts L SPL 17767 Templeton;Elliott; link--->

2011-01-01 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L SPL 17156 Kyle; link--->

2011-04-03 Sun Hibernian 2-2 Hearts L SPL 17793 Stevenson;Elliott; [Liam William Peter Miller pen;Ricardo Vaz Te;] link--->

2011-08-28 Sun Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L SPL 15868 Stevenson;Webster; link--->

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sorry to stick my neb in, but the two 8 in a rows are really 7, actually the last one is 6!.........the two draws at the start are rightly the last team to wins claim to add to their unbeaten run.....you have to win to stop and unbeaten run. :thumbsup:

 

Like to keep things right...we aren`t Hobos .... ;)

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sorry to stick my neb in, but the two 8 in a rows are really 7, actually the last one is 6!.........the two draws at the start are rightly the last team to wins claim to add to their unbeaten run.....you have to win to stop and unbeaten run. :thumbsup:

 

Like to keep things right...we aren`t Hobos .... ;)

 

Eh? an unbeaten run starts with a Win or a Draw.

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sorry to stick my neb in, but the two 8 in a rows are really 7, actually the last one is 6!.........the two draws at the start are rightly the last team to wins claim to add to their unbeaten run.....you have to win to stop and unbeaten run. :thumbsup:

 

Like to keep things right...we aren`t Hobos .... ;)

 

Er, no.

 

An unbeaten run is precisely that: a sequence of games in which you avoid defeat. That can start with a draw or a win.

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Na, sorry guys can`t agree. So in theory 17 and 22 in a row never happened then? Hibs were unbeaten in the drawn games? quite simple really and had this debate many a time.

 

If Hearts win 6 and draw the last one it`s 7 in a row, if we draw the next its 8 obviously, as we are the last team to win....if Hibs win they end the run ..but how can they include the last drawn game when it was Hearts who`d won previously???

 

Not see what im saying?

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Pie chart is good as numbers don't work for me. The pie chart looks a bit like a game of risk with the maroon section beginning to sweep the board.

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Na, sorry guys can`t agree. So in theory 17 and 22 in a row never happened then? Hibs were unbeaten in the drawn games? quite simple really and had this debate many a time.

 

If Hearts win 6 and draw the last one it`s 7 in a row, if we draw the next its 8 obviously, as we are the last team to win....if Hibs win they end the run ..but how can they include the last drawn game when it was Hearts who`d won previously???

 

Yes. Lets say that during the 22 in a row, there had been a run of 6 draws. The Peasants could legitimately have claimed that they had a run of 6 games unbeaten. That would be true. Conversely, we would still have a run of 22 in a row. The whole point is that in a draw neither team wins or loses. Therefore if we have an unbeaten run, it includes draws no matter when they occur.

 

If results were that Hibs won a game, followed by a draw and then 5 Hearts wins, would you seriously be saying Hearts had an unbeaten run of 5 games?

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Na, sorry guys can`t agree. So in theory 17 and 22 in a row never happened then? Hibs were unbeaten in the drawn games? quite simple really and had this debate many a time.

 

If Hearts win 6 and draw the last one it`s 7 in a row, if we draw the next its 8 obviously, as we are the last team to win....if Hibs win they end the run ..but how can they include the last drawn game when it was Hearts who`d won previously???

 

Not see what im saying?

 

Crap an unbeaten run starts with a draw or a win.:angry:

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Na, sorry guys can`t agree. So in theory 17 and 22 in a row never happened then? Hibs were unbeaten in the drawn games? quite simple really and had this debate many a time.

 

If Hearts win 6 and draw the last one it`s 7 in a row, if we draw the next its 8 obviously, as we are the last team to win....if Hibs win they end the run ..but how can they include the last drawn game when it was Hearts who`d won previously???

 

Not see what im saying?

 

So, is it true or is it not true that Hearts are unbeaten in their last 8 games against Hibs?

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Yes. Lets say that during the 22 in a row, there had been a run of 6 draws. The Peasants could legitimately have claimed that they had a run of 6 games unbeaten. That would be true. Conversely, we would still have a run of 22 in a row. The whole point is that in a draw neither team wins or loses. Therefore if we have an unbeaten run, it includes draws no matter when they occur.

 

If results were that Hibs won a game, followed by a draw and then 5 Hearts wins, would you seriously be saying Hearts had an unbeaten run of 5 games?

Im not being cheeky VM, but its not hard to understand? You have to win to stop and unbeaten run of another side.....from that win your own one starts and you ca rightfully claim the future draws as part of your own run until a defeat......But how can you win then turn around and say the run started from the game drawn before? :blink:

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Na, sorry guys can`t agree. So in theory 17 and 22 in a row never happened then? Hibs were unbeaten in the drawn games? quite simple really and had this debate many a time.

 

If Hearts win 6 and draw the last one it`s 7 in a row, if we draw the next its 8 obviously, as we are the last team to win....if Hibs win they end the run ..but how can they include the last drawn game when it was Hearts who`d won previously???

 

Not see what im saying?

 

Are you a Hibee?

 

Hibs Unbeaten 1 2009-03-14 Sat Hibernian 1-0 Hearts L SPL 15091 [steven Fletcher;] link--->

Hibs Unbeaten 2 2009-05-07 Thu Hearts 0-1 Hibernian L SPL 14714 [Derek George Riordan pen;] link--->

Hibs Unbeaten 3 Hearts Unbeaten 1 2009-11-07 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L SPL 16762 link--->

Hibs Unbeaten 4 Hearts Unbeaten 2 2010-01-03 Sun Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 16949 Smith G; [Anthony Stokes;] link--->

3 2010-03-20 Sat Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L SPL 17126 Driver;Glen; [Derek George Riordan;] link--->

4 2010-05-01 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L SPL 11277 Suso;Obua; [Anthony Stokes pen;] link--->

5 2010-11-07 Sun Hibernian 0-2 Hearts L SPL 17767 Templeton;Elliott; link--->

6 2011-01-01 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L SPL 17156 Kyle; link--->

7 2011-04-03 Sun Hibernian 2-2 Hearts L SPL 17793 Stevenson;Elliott; [Liam William Peter Miller pen;Ricardo Vaz Te;] link--->

8 2011-08-28 Sun Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L SPL 15868 Stevenson;Webster; link--->

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Crap an unbeaten run starts with a draw or a win.:angry:

Pi sh, you have to win to start it......yes, we can say we are unbeaten in the last 8 in theory but rightfully the two draws before we won were part of the Hobos unbeaten stretch....there has to be a starting point and that comes from a win..not a fackin draw ffs

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Im not being cheeky VM, but its not hard to understand? You have to win to stop and unbeaten run of another side.....from that win your own one starts and you ca rightfully claim the future draws as part of your own run until a defeat......But how can you win then turn around and say the run started from the game drawn before? :blink:

 

Stop digging ...

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Are you a Hibee?

 

Hibs Unbeaten 1 2009-03-14 Sat Hibernian 1-0 Hearts L SPL 15091 [steven Fletcher;] link--->

Hibs Unbeaten 2 2009-05-07 Thu Hearts 0-1 Hibernian L SPL 14714 [Derek George Riordan pen;] link--->

Hibs Unbeaten 3 Hearts Unbeaten 1 2009-11-07 Sat Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L SPL 16762 link--->

Hibs Unbeaten 4 Hearts Unbeaten 2 2010-01-03 Sun Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L SPL 16949 Smith G; [Anthony Stokes;] link--->

3 2010-03-20 Sat Hearts 2-1 Hibernian L SPL 17126 Driver;Glen; [Derek George Riordan;] link--->

4 2010-05-01 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L SPL 11277 Suso;Obua; [Anthony Stokes pen;] link--->

5 2010-11-07 Sun Hibernian 0-2 Hearts L SPL 17767 Templeton;Elliott; link--->

6 2011-01-01 Sat Hearts 1-0 Hibernian L SPL 17156 Kyle; link--->

7 2011-04-03 Sun Hibernian 2-2 Hearts L SPL 17793 Stevenson;Elliott; [Liam William Peter Miller pen;Ricardo Vaz Te;] link--->

8 2011-08-28 Sun Hearts 2-0 Hibernian L SPL 15868 Stevenson;Webster; link--->

hahah, how sad, just off the phone to Clerry Jambo and among other things i told him i was laughing at how im having a wee bit lighthearted craic over this subject and he asked me if i`d been called a hobo yet?

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Im not being cheeky VM, but its not hard to understand? You have to win to stop and unbeaten run of another side.....from that win your own one starts and you ca rightfully claim the future draws as part of your own run until a defeat......But how can you win then turn around and say the run started from the game drawn before? :blink:

 

 

Maybe because you were UNBEATEN in the game before therefore you r unbeaten run starts then.

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Im not being cheeky VM, but its not hard to understand? You have to win to stop and unbeaten run of another side.....from that win your own one starts and you ca rightfully claim the future draws as part of your own run until a defeat......But how can you win then turn around and say the run started from the game drawn before? :blink:

 

I think that the point you are missing is that unbeaten runs can overlap. If your question is that of when the other team's unbeaten run is ended, the answer is obviously when they are defeated. However, if the question is when another team's unbeaten run starts, then it can be with a draw that formed part of the other team's unbeaten run.

 

It's all really rather simple.

 

Let's ask the questions in another way shall we?

 

How many games have we played against Hibs since they beat us? Answer: 8

 

Yet somehow you say this amounts to an UNBEATEN run of 7 games. If that is what you are saying, then I don't understand. But I'm sure you can't really be saying something quite so ridiculous.... :thumbsup:

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There are 5 sequence states

 

Wins - Made up exclusively Wins

Draws - Made up of exclusively Draws

Losses - Made up of exclusively Losess

Unbeaten - Made up of both Wins and Draws

No Wins - Made up of both draws and Losses

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hahah, how sad, just off the phone to Clerry Jambo and among other things i told him i was laughing at how im having a wee bit lighthearted craic over this subject and he asked me if i`d been called a hobo yet?

 

You're being especially thick so that brings to mind a Leith education rather than your allegiance.....

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:vrface:

 

Some folk on here.

 

If Hearts drew all 38 league games next season, we'd be unbeaten. This is fact.

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I think that the point you are missing is that unbeaten runs can overlap. If your question is that of when the other team's unbeaten run is ended, the answer is obviously when they are defeated. However, if the question is when another team's unbeaten run starts, then it can be with a draw that formed part of the other team's unbeaten run.

 

It's all really rather simple.

 

Let's ask the questions in another way shall we?

 

How many games have we played against Hibs since they beat us? Answer: 8

 

Yet somehow you say this amounts to an UNBEATEN run of 7 games. If that is what you are saying, then I don't understand. But I'm sure you can't really be saying something quite so ridiculous.... :thumbsup:

Im not missing the point, i know we were unbeaten in the two before we won and kicked off our SIX game unbeaten run :teehee: but the Hobos can rightfully turn around and say they were unbeaten for 3 games because they were the last team to win before the two draws....all im saying is, to keep things simple as our in house statto doesn`t, with all his sequence theories, is that a TRUE unbeaten runs start with a win then ends with a defeat....

 

Straight down the line simple..... :thumbsup:

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The records are in competitive games

 

http://londonhearts.com/scores/tea/hibernian.html#Streaks

 

Wins 7

Draws 3

Losses 3

Unbeaten 22

NoWins (I.E. Unbeaten by Hibs) 12

 

If, for example, we drew the next 15 derbies

 

Hearts would have broken their record with '23 in a row' and Hibs would break their record with '15 in a row'.

 

Unlike Schr?dinger's cat some results may exist in 2 simultaneous states which don't change when you measure them!

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Im not missing the point, i know we were unbeaten in the two before we won and kicked off our SIX game unbeaten run :teehee: but the Hobos can rightfully turn around and say they were unbeaten for 3 games because they were the last team to win before the two draws....all im saying is, to keep things simple as our in house statto doesn`t, with all his sequence theories, is that a TRUE unbeaten runs start with a win then ends with a defeat....

 

Straight down the line simple..... :thumbsup:

 

Yes, they can say they had a three game unbeaten run, because they did.

 

I note the shift in terminology: you are now talking about a "TRUE unbeaten run". I'm not sure how that changes anything, because surely a "true" unbeaten run is a sequence of games in which you avoid defeat (unless the term "unbeaten" has different meaning that I am unaware of).

 

I think you have to realise that whilst YOU do not consider an unbeaten run to begin until there is a win, that is not a criterion that can be introduced on any objective basis. The thing you appear to be struggling to accept is that unbeaten runs can overlap. They can, and frequently do.

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i8hibsh

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It is interesting that it seems to go in bulk.

 

Hopefully we are on our way to 23 right now :thumbsup:

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Is there any need in discussing this holocaust of a thread further? We all know exactly where we are all coming from and clearly Debut4 has his mind made up that he won't budge. The rest of us are quite happy to include draws at the start of an unbeaten run.

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Told you Debut4 ;-)

 

There are three perms in our league - win, lose or draw. Two are not a defeat so that's where the stats come from. If Hibs win next game then draw two and we win the fourth game, they were undefeated in 3 but then we assume the same position.

 

That's always been my take on it.

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Debut4 needs to understand the difference between an UNBEATEN run and a WINNING run.

 

When talking "in a row", it's always always ALWAYS referring to UNBEATEN.

 

Its a simple concept, being clouded only by Debut4s deciding to get UNBEATEN and WINNING mixed up.

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Anyone worked out the points numbers for that period?

 

154 to 94 out of a possible 268 points on offer

57.5% to 35.1%

 

It doesn't add up to 100% because?

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Victor Meldrew

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Going back to the stats, it's interesting that following the 6-2 game, we appear to have lost only one game out of eight.

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In the interest of fairness for our Hibs viewers. This is what I remember growing up, Hibs only lost twice in 28 games or 12 years

 

1966-02-21 Mon Hearts 2-1 Hibernian SC 31244 2nd Traynor;Higgins; [John McNamee;] link--->

1 1966-09-10 Sat Hibernian 3-1 Hearts L Div One 21395 Kerrigan; [Joe Davis pen;Allan McGraw;Jim Scott;] link--->

2 1967-01-02 Mon Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Div One 30086 link--->

3 1967-09-09 Sat Hearts 1-4 Hibernian L Div One 20773 Traynor; [Pat Quinn;Peter Barr Cormack;Pat Quinn;Pat Quinn;] link--->

4 1968-01-01 Mon Hibernian 1-0 Hearts L Div One 32360 [Joe Davis pen;] link--->

5 1968-09-07 Sat Hibernian 1-3 Hearts L Div One 24110 Fleming J;Fleming G;Moller; [Patrick Gordon Stanton;] link--->

6 1969-01-01 Wed Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Div One 30011 link--->

7 1969-09-27 Sat Hearts 0-2 Hibernian L Div One 26807 [Peter Barr Cormack;Joe McBride;] link--->

8 1970-01-01 Thu Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Div One 36421 link--->

9 1970-09-05 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Div One 23225 link--->

10 1971-01-01 Fri Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Div One 27715 link--->

11 1971-02-13 Sat Hearts 1-2 Hibernian SC 30450 2nd Hegarty; [John Hazel;Arthur M Duncan;] link--->

12 1971-09-04 Sat Hearts 0-2 Hibernian L Div One 26671 [Alexander James Cropley;John Turner Hamilton;] link--->

13 1972-01-01 Sat Hibernian 0-0 Hearts L Div One 36046 link--->

14 1972-09-09 Sat Hibernian 2-0 Hearts L Div One 21221 [Alexander James Cropley;Patrick Gordon Stanton;] link--->

15 1973-01-01 Mon Hearts 0-7 Hibernian L Div One 35989 [James Francis O'Rourke;Alan Fordyce Gordon;Arthur M Duncan;Alexander James Cropley;Arthur M Duncan;James Francis O'Rourke;Alan Fordyce Gordon;] link--->

16 1973-09-08 Sat Hearts 4-1 Hibernian L Div One 28946 Erich Peter Schaedler og;Aird;Ford;Busby; [Alexander James Cropley;] link--->

17 1974-01-01 Tue Hibernian 3-1 Hearts L Div One 35393 Ford; [Alexander James Cropley;Alexander James Cropley;Arthur M Duncan;] link--->

18 1974-09-07 Sat Hibernian 2-1 Hearts L Div One 26560 Ford pen; [Cant og;Arthur M Duncan;] link--->

19 1975-01-01 Wed Hearts 0-0 Hibernian L Div One 35969 link--->

20 1975-08-30 Sat Hibernian 1-0 Hearts L Premier 23646 [Joseph Montgomery Harper;] link--->

21 1975-11-01 Sat Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 24471 Callachan; [Patrick Gordon Stanton;] link--->

22 1976-01-01 Thu Hibernian 3-0 Hearts L Premier 32923 [Robert Nisbet Smith;Arthur M Duncan;Arthur M Duncan;] link--->

23 1976-03-13 Sat Hearts 0-1 Hibernian L Premier 18528 [Arthur M Duncan;] link--->

24 1976-10-30 Sat Hibernian 1-1 Hearts L Premier 23773 Prentice; [Willie Paterson;] link--->

25 1977-01-26 Wed Hearts 0-1 Hibernian L Premier 24068 [Alexander Hector McMillan MacLeod;] link--->

26 1977-03-23 Wed Hibernian 3-1 Hearts L Premier 13625 Gibson; [Alexander Hector McMillan MacLeod;Robert Nisbet Smith;Alistair Black Scott;] link--->

27 1977-04-13 Wed Hearts 2-2 Hibernian L Premier 10686 Gibson;Brown; [Desmond George Bremner;Desmond George Bremner;] link--->

28 1978-08-26 Sat Hearts 1-1 Hibernian L Premier 19663 Park; [Alexander Hector McMillan MacLeod;] link--->

1978-11-04 Sat Hibernian 1-2 Hearts L Premier 20120 McQuade;OConnor; [Gordon Rae;] link--->

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Going back to the stats, it's interesting that following the 6-2 game, we appear to have lost only one game out of eight.

 

The clich? 'form goes out the window in a Derby' is generally wrong. The team who is above in the league gets the better of the other with some favour to the home side as well. The bigger the gap as well applies.

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Debut4 needs to understand the difference between an UNBEATEN run and a WINNING run.

 

When talking "in a row", it's always always ALWAYS referring to UNBEATEN.

 

Its a simple concept, being clouded only by Debut4s deciding to get UNBEATEN and WINNING mixed up.

"In a Row" to me means since they won so an unbeaten run in my opinion starts the first time they fail to beat us.

 

We don't brag about 22 in a row because of the draws anyway, whether they were the first 9, last 9 or middle 9 games. It's because their team was not good enough to beat ours or to avoid several convincing humpings and it winds them up to buggery (probably literally in some of their cases).

 

This means we are on 8 in a row.

 

Oh aye, and I should add that of ALL the people I've ever met through JKB, Debut4 is probably about as far from a Hobo as you could get.

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I've put up the 'All Time Competitive' record as a 'pie chart'

 

The win % is 43.8% vs 44.4% - very similar

 

Loss % is 27.6% compared to 18.5% a big difference

 

However is is far more remarkable in the exact 200 competitive derbies prior to 1983

 

Prior to 1983 Chart

 

Hibs won 32.5% of Derbies

 

So it has gone from Hibs winning about 1 in 3 up to 1983 to Hibs winning less than 1 in 5 since 1983.

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....

 

Oh aye, and I should add that of ALL the people I've ever met through JKB, Debut4 is probably about as far from a Hobo as you could get.

 

I know I should have put a :whistling: next to that comment. :)

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Pi sh, you have to win to start it......yes, we can say we are unbeaten in the last 8 in theory but rightfully the two draws before we won were part of the Hobos unbeaten stretch....there has to be a starting point and that comes from a win..not a fackin draw ffs

 

What colour is the sky in your world?

 

Everyone in this world thinks playing 8 matches unbeaten means...wait for it, shock horror...you have gone on an 8 match unbeaten run! Not in theory but in fact!

 

Easy question - have Hibs won any of the last 8 derbies? No, so we are unbeaten in 8.

 

This really is not such a difficult concept to get your head around.

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In the last 8 games we have score 12 goals to hibs 5. 12-5=7. So If i understand correctly, we are 7 unbeaten. Thats my take on it. 7 in a row. End of thread.

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A run of unbeaten games is a sequence whereby you 'do not lose' to the opposition. It doesn't matter if it starts with a draw and nor does it matter if it overlaps the other lot's previous unbeaten run.

 

 

Hearts have have not lost any of the last eight derby games.

 

 

Therefore, we are 8 games undefeated v Hibs.

 

 

If the next derby is a draw, then we are nine unbeaten and Hibs are one unbeaten.

 

 

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In this thread we are basically arguing the degree to which Hibs are S****. Whichever way you look at it they are very s**** :thumbsup:

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In this thread we are basically arguing the degree to which Hibs are S****. Whichever way you look at it they are very s**** :thumbsup:

 

And s****ier than they were 30 years ago!

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In the interest of fairness for our Hibs viewers. This is what I remember growing up, Hibs only lost twice in 28 games or 12 years

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It was grim. Although we managed to keep the score down in most of the games we lost, there's no doubt that the potential gulf between the two teams during a long stretch of that period was huge. The 0-7 was a blip that I still think can be put down to the disgraceful state some of our players had allegedly got themselves in the previous night, and apart from that Hibs only managed a three-goal margin twice. My first game at Tynecastle was in 1970 and I contrived to miss both our 4-1 "revenge victory" in 1973 and the McQuade/O'Connor game at ER in1978. I had to wait a long, long time for my first competitive derby win.

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