Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Let's hope so. It's the most dangerous drug out there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7327702.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 wheres the sarcasm smiley?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Let's hope so. It's the most dangerous drug out there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7327702.stm How did you figure that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 wheres the sarcasm smiley?!? I'm not being sarcastic. I believe it's an incredibly dangerous drug because stoners use it so frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'm not being sarcastic. I believe it's an incredibly dangerous drug because stoners use it so frequently. do you have proof though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Cannabis is link to Schizophrenia, depression and suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'm not being sarcastic. I believe it's an incredibly dangerous drug because stoners use it so frequently. And smackheads dont use smack very frequently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 do you have proof though? Yes. I know many regular users whose heads are completely wasted. They need to use it every day to get moving, but even then their capabilities are seriously sub-optimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Cannabis is link to Schizophrenia, depression and suicide. Although there are many studies that suggest otherwise with no direct causal link to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 And smackheads dont use smack very frequently? There are many "smackheads" who lead a perfectly normal life. The problems only start when they cannot afford to buy their supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Yes. I know many regular users whose heads are completely wasted. They need to use it every day to get moving, but even then their capabilities are seriously sub-optimal. Certainly ONLY CANIBIS USERS this happens to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 There are many "smackheads" who lead a perfectly normal life. The problems only start when they cannot afford to buy their supply. Just as there are many cannabis users who use regularly who can function no problem. Same with cocaine. Same with Ecstasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 There are many "smackheads" who lead a perfectly normal life. The problems only start when they cannot afford to buy their supply. But do you have proof that it will harm them in the long term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Just as there are many cannabis users who use regularly who can function no problem. Same with cocaine. Same with Ecstasy. Cocaine and ecstasy are much safer drugs than cannabis. As I say, I know many disfunctional ****my cannabis users, but can't think of any cocaine or ecstasy equivalents. I've tried them all, and I wouldn't touch cannabis with a barge pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Cocaine and ecstasy are much safer drugs than cannabis. As I say, I know many disfunctional ****my cannabis users, but can't think of any cocaine or ecstasy equivalents. I've tried them all, and I wouldn't touch cannabis with a barge pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Cocaine and ecstasy are much safer drugs than cannabis. As I say, I know many disfunctional ****my cannabis users, but can't think of any cocaine or ecstasy equivalents. I've tried them all, and I wouldn't touch cannabis with a barge pole. Take it you didnt watch the Horizon Documentary ranking the most heavily used drugs in order of harm to the user and society then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Take it you didnt watch the Horizon Documentary ranking the most heavily used drugs in order of harm to the user and society then? No. I assume cannabis topped the league of shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Cocaine and ecstasy are much safer drugs than cannabis. As I say, I know many disfunctional ****my cannabis users, but can't think of any cocaine or ecstasy equivalents. I've tried them all, and I wouldn't touch cannabis with a barge pole. Apart from the fact that Cocaine can cause heart attacks even with infrequent use, ecstasy can cause dehydration and if water intake is not regulated can cause swelling of the tissue around the brain resulting in death? Of course Cannabis is much more dangerous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Take it you didnt watch the Horizon Documentary ranking the most heavily used drugs in order of harm to the user and society then? Or the program on the BBC last week about the 'dangers' of cannabis where a lot of 'experts' proclaimed it wasn't dangerous. For every study that finds it's harmful, there's one that says its fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 cannabis, largely thanks to the ridiculously strong strains created by splicing, is a very dangerous drug. i say that as someone who's tried pretty much everything bar acid & smack. to put in context, commonly grown strains of grass nowadays are 40 times as potent as it would naturally grow wild. occasional use at the 'natural' level is a whole different kettle of fish from being perma-stoned on today's bought grass. i don't touch it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Apart from the fact that Cocaine can cause heart attacks even with infrequent use, ecstasy can cause dehydration and if water intake is not regulated can cause swelling of the tissue around the brain resulting in death? Of course Cannabis is much more dangerous! Oh dear, what an ill-informed post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 No. I assume cannabis topped the league of shame. And what is assumption again? Cannabis was 11th. Heroin and Cocaine ranked one and two. Cannabis was behind alcohol as well IIRC. You should watch it, it was very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 cannabis, largely thanks to the ridiculously strong strains created by splicing, is a very dangerous drug. i say that as someone who's tried pretty much everything bar acid & smack. to put in context, commonly grown strains of grass nowadays are 40 times as potent as it would naturally grow wild. occasional use at the 'natural' level is a whole different kettle of fish from being perma-stoned on today's bought grass. i don't touch it now. That's exactly my point. I'm no expert cannabis user, I have just seen the impact it can have on friends, and it's not pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 And what is assumption again? Cannabis was 11th. Heroin and Cocaine ranked one and two. Cannabis was behind alcohol as well IIRC. You should watch it, it was very interesting. it was indeed. the ranking of alcohol had a lot to do with how its consumed in UK society & by the numbers of people involved, though. that's definitely not to be underestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Oh dear, what an ill-informed post. An ex - addict told me that:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 it was indeed. the ranking of alcohol had a lot to do with how its consumed in UK society & by the numbers of people involved, though. that's definitely not to be underestimated. Correct. The ranking involved taking into account aspects of effects on user and society as a whole. No surprises IMO. As someone who has tried all (and moved in such circles as well) on the list apart from Heroin and LSD, the rankings did not come as a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 That's exactly my point. I'm no expert cannabis user, I have just seen the impact it can have on friends, and it's not pleasant. my friend is a pyschiatric nurse at the Royal Ed. in the past i've spent many a night stoned with her. she reckons those of who come in with chronic drug addictions its by far the most dangerous & the most difficult to recover from. yes, one line of coke or one pill has more potential to kill you outright than one joint, but the cumulative damage done is far greater with grass. that said, coke is also extremely dangerous. plus it generally turns people into cocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 An ex - addict told me that:p Of what, cocaine or ecstasy? I'm pretty sure you don't get addicted to ecstasy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Of what, cocaine or ecstasy? I'm pretty sure you don't get addicted to ecstasy.. Sorry - Coke addict. As well as many other prescription drugs and heroin as well. Making good now though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 coke is also extremely dangerous. plus it generally turns people into cocks. Fortunately I'm not a coke user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Of what, cocaine or ecstasy? I'm pretty sure you don't get addicted to ecstasy.. not physically, but you can definitely have an addiction to the lifestyle that generally comes with. you start out these times saying that you can have just as good a time without a pill, but eventually you start to notice that you don't. of course, if you're doing it as a clubber rather than house party pillhead then that's understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I know someone who got badly addicted to Cannabis at uni, and it almost screwed up his life He has since given that up. Does other drugs when he goes out, but he is generally in much better shape, and has a much better grip on life than when he just did cannabis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Of what, cocaine or ecstasy? I'm pretty sure you don't get addicted to ecstasy.. I see what you're saying there but you can get addicted to anything you enjoy, ecstasy itself may not be addictive but you can still become addicted to using ecstasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Fortunately I'm not a coke user. wouldn't say i never do myself, but its generally over-priced pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'd say alcohol has far more problems in U.K society than cannabis. I do know of quite a few stoners, and one in particular has the attention span of a fly, and forgets everything short term. It does have LT effects on the people taking it, but I dont think its as bad a drug as alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I see what you're saying there but you can get addicted to anything you enjoy, ecstasy itself may not be addictive but you can still become addicted to using ecstasy Yeah you're probably right. Cocaine on the other hand tends to instantly get a hold of people which is quite scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Of what, cocaine or ecstasy? I'm pretty sure you don't get addicted to ecstasy.. You can and its a bugger to get off. I had a friend who was hooked on the stuff and it was a long process helping her get off it and on the straight and narrow. While it may not have the chemical addiction of other drugs it can lead to difficulties associated with it. You sure you arent a coke user Therapist? (joking!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'd say alcohol has far more problems in U.K society than cannabis. I do know of quite a few stoners, and one in particular has the attention span of a fly, and forgets everything short term. It does have LT effects on the people taking it, but I dont think its as bad a drug as alcohol. absolutely. and were they both discovered tomorrow, despite what i've said in this thread about grass, it wouldn;t be the one i'd choose to ban. generally stoners are more of a danger to themselves than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'd say alcohol has far more problems in U.K society than cannabis. I do know of quite a few stoners, and one in particular has the attention span of a fly, and forgets everything short term. It does have LT effects on the people taking it, but I dont think its as bad a drug as alcohol. The thing is, the long term effects are hard to separate from whether they would occur naturally or whether they occurred due to cannabis: schizophrenia, memory loss etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Why people take illegal drugs is beyond me. Is something missing in their life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Of what, cocaine or ecstasy? I'm pretty sure you don't get addicted to ecstasy.. It's not an addictive substance. However, you can develop a psychological addiction to anything. I know a few people that freely admit that they were heavily addicted after their first go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 You sure you arent a coke user Therapist? Good jibe Chester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_ellen Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Apart from the fact that Cocaine can cause heart attacks even with infrequent use, ecstasy can cause dehydration and if water intake is not regulated can cause swelling of the tissue around the brain resulting in death? Of course Cannabis is much more dangerous! Did you get that off ask frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Cocaine and ecstasy are much safer drugs than cannabis. As I say, I know many disfunctional ****my cannabis users, but can't think of any cocaine or ecstasy equivalents. I've tried them all, and I wouldn't touch cannabis with a barge pole. I actually agree with that. Cocaine and Ecstasy are relatively harmless if not used to excess. I do know a few guys who have done their heads in with weed. Not as many as who have harmed themselves with tobacco and alcohol though. There's no real reason to keep it illegal, taxing it and taking it out of the hands of criminals is the only logical solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I actually agree with that. Cocaine and Ecstasy are relatively harmless if not used to excess. I do know a few guys who have done their heads in with weed. Not as many as who have harmed themselves with tobacco and alcohol though. There's no real reason to keep it illegal, taxing it and taking it out of the hands of criminals is the only logical solution. Is Cannabis not relatively harmless if not used to excess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Why people take illegal drugs is beyond me. Is something missing in their life? Says he with make poverty history etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Why people take illegal drugs is beyond me. Is something missing in their life? erm..... illegal highs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig R Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Let's hope so. It's the most dangerous drug out there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7327702.stm Not as dangerous as alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 The logical solution is to legalise and tax cannabis. Educate people to the dangers, but allow those who want to smoke to do as they wish. I believe that so long as people aren't harming others, what they do is up to them, not the state. The problem isn't the drug itself, its the organised crime. And it will NEVER go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 anyway gettingback to the op its not getting declassified It was just broono trying to get some good publisity as said on the parly programme today he will have a hard time getting the vote reversed as most or the labour back benches dabble in it as was pointed out on several occasions today by MPs so in a nut shell no chance:5643::5643: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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