Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Did anyone take a punt on them at 10p? I got in at 12p (5000) I would have loved to buy more...but I was not prepared to lose more than ?600 so thats my lot. How ever if they do go down to the 5p mark....I would load up on another 5000. Providing they do not get Nationalised there is a few quid to be made if you are in it for the long haul. ie: 3-5 years possibly 10 if you want a good return. Anyone else speculated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Did anyone take a punt on them at 10p? I got in at 12p (5000) I would have loved to buy more...but I was not prepared to lose more than ?600 so thats my lot. How ever if they do go down to the 5p mark....I would load up on another 5000. Providing they do not get Nationalised there is a few quid to be made if you are in it for the long haul. ie: 3-5 years possibly 10 if you want a good return. Anyone else speculated? To speculate as an amatuer in such an unpredictable market is like choosing red or black on a roullette table. Good luck though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Did you buy them online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedp6873 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I would hold off if i was you as RBS will be nationalized within 2 mnths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Have a mate who thought they couldn't go any lower than 50p, and his investment is now worth 20%! It is tempting at the current price, but I still think there is more losses to come for RBS, so I wouldn't want to weigh in to their shares when there is the threat of nationalistion...but more likely is that the government will take on more shares to try to prevent nationalisation, and that will just dilute your shareholding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 My mate also invested without doing any research or anything. He didn't even know that he would lose everything if they get nationalised Considering I do about half an hours research for a 5 quid coupon, I couldn't believe he gambled 1000 quid without thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They should close at about 15p today. My father and some work collegues put in ?20 each at 5p (approx) a share. They got about 1000 shares each. So if they get nationalised he will only lose ?20 and if in a couple of years they get to ?2 or something he has made a bit of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Did you buy them online? Nope. I went into the bank (local branch @ porty) and bought them....It took 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 To speculate as an amatuer in such an unpredictable market is like choosing red or black on a roullette table. Good luck though. Yeah, I agree. This is a one off for me and also a once in a lifetime chance. If I lose ?600 it will not affect my standard of living....just means a couple of sacrafices and Im even with myself. If RBS avoid Nationalisation and share price hits the ?3 mark in a few years (3-5)...then I pick up ?15,000. worth a punt I thought. considering they have hung their dirty washing out and the market has priced it in. still a few banks to come clean about their predicament imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peckhamjambo Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They should close at about 15p today. My father and some work collegues put in ?20 each at 5p (approx) a share. They got about 1000 shares each. So if they get nationalised he will only lose ?20 and if in a couple of years they get to ?2 or something he has made a bit of money. How?! My maths is terrible but surely that would be about 400 shares each? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 I would hold off if i was you as RBS will be nationalized within 2 mnths. Impossible to call. Nobody want to see them Nationalised. they are able to pull through this by selling of some of their many arms within the banking sector. They will be anouncing 10,000 job loses soon, due to sell off's and migration of certain sectors of the business. restructuring and concentrating on core banking business. if this works... it makes it a more stable business along with a more competent board with Hester and co, and could also see a percentage of goverment share holding diluted within a year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 How?! My maths is terrible but surely that would be about 400 shares each? they would have 200 shares each for ?20. ?100 @ 10p per share = 1000 shares they were ?7.50 per share or there abouts at their highest. Nice return if you can afford to spare a few hundered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavsy Van Gaverson Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 they would have 200 shares each for ?20. ?100 @ 10p per share = 1000 shares they were ?7.50 per share or there abouts at their highest. Nice return if you can afford to spare a few hundered. They were about double that at their highest. Just over a year ago they were over a tenner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 they would have 200 shares each for ?20. ?100 @ 10p per share = 1000 shares they were ?7.50 per share or there abouts at their highest. Nice return if you can afford to spare a few hundered. They are starting to move up the way now, i suspect it will take a little while to reach the ?7.50 Level again though. http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/shares/3/23201/one_month.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peckhamjambo Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 they would have 200 shares each for ?20. ?100 @ 10p per share = 1000 shares they were ?7.50 per share or there abouts at their highest. Nice return if you can afford to spare a few hundered. Really? If each person puts in ?20, and buys shares at ?0.05, isn't that 400?! The shares were 5p or thereabouts so I am assuming it was 5p, not 10p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavsy Van Gaverson Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They are starting to move up the way now, i suspect it will take a little while to reach the ?7.50 Level again though. http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/shares/3/23201/one_month.stm They are only moving up today on the back on the news that Barclays have confirmed that they will make a profit for 2008. Barcalys said annual profit would be higher than ?5.3bn, despite ?8bn of gross write-downs at its investment bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Really? If each person puts in ?20, and buys shares at ?0.05, isn't that 400?! The shares were 5p or thereabouts so I am assuming it was 5p, not 10p They were $0.05 on the NYSE 10p on the LSE depends what they bought into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 They are only moving up today on the back on the news that Barclays have confirmed that they will make a profit for 2008. Barcalys said annual profit would be higher than ?5.3bn, despite ?8bn of gross write-downs at its investment bank. I felt the movement was more to do with the anouncement of the ?100 Billion of goverment backed new mortgage lending and selling off certain arms of the business aswell as all of sir freds croneys who are still taking a wage are getting the chop. The fact they are being a used as a goverment guinia pig has it's perks as everything is Gov garunteed.....I think it's a good bet tbh.... feel free to pull this thread back up in a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Impossible to call. Nobody want to see them Nationalised. they are able to pull through this by selling of some of their many arms within the banking sector. They will be anouncing 10,000 job loses soon, due to sell off's and migration of certain sectors of the business. restructuring and concentrating on core banking business. if this works... it makes it a more stable business along with a more competent board with Hester and co, and could also see a percentage of goverment share holding diluted within a year or so. i want to see all the high street banks nationalised there business model has completely screwed the economy up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super T Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They were about double that at their highest. Just over a year ago they were over a tenner. They done an issue where if you were a holder you got 2 new shares for your 1 old one therefore halving the value. That took the value from about the ?15 to ?16 mark down to the figure quoted above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Reckon the price movement is more to do with speculative punts on the shares than anything else. Sensible investors would be waiting till the actual full accounts are posted, as they will probably be worse than the projected losses that dropped it to 10p The banks will never get back up to 7 or 8 quid a share. They can't go back to their aggressive strategies that created the huge profits, but also led to their downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They were $0.05 on the NYSE10p on the LSE depends what they bought into. As far as I know, you can't buy RBS ordinary shares on the NYSE - only ADRs, which currently trading about $4 a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They should close at about 15p today. My father and some work collegues put in ?20 each at 5p (approx) a share. They got about 1000 shares each. So if they get nationalised he will only lose ?20 and if in a couple of years they get to ?2 or something he has made a bit of money. When did they manage to buy them for 5p???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Reckon the price movement is more to do with speculative punts on the shares than anything else. Sensible investors would be waiting till the actual full accounts are posted, as they will probably be worse than the projected losses that dropped it to 10p The banks will never get back up to 7 or 8 quid a share. They can't go back to their aggressive strategies that created the huge profits, but also led to their downfall I would be happy to see ?3.50-?4.00 in the next 3- 5 years......possibly will need to wait longer...but it was a small amount of money worth the punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 When did they manage to buy them for 5p???? I think the lowest price the shares have went so far is around 10p a share, They may dip down to 5p after they announce there financial results for last year, which are expected to be worse than they have forecast. Whats a Billion or 2 though when you are a Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossi_1983 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I would be happy to see ?3.50-?4.00 in the next 3- 5 years......possibly will need to wait longer...but it was a small amount of money worth the punt. As long as its a long term plan, I think you will be ok. Its better than keeping the cash in the bank and only earning 5% interest. Will certainly be a more exciting way to look after your money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If Fred Goodwin had any common decency, he'd buy every single RBS share himself and offer ?3 a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If Fred Goodwin had any common decency, he'd buy every single RBS share himself and offer ?3 a pop. There is slightly more chance of the hobos winning the Scottish Cup, than Fred the Shred offering anyone a penny.:108years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arse 'Friends' Dyslexic? Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I would be happy to see ?3.50-?4.00 in the next 3- 5 years......possibly will need to wait longer...but it was a small amount of money worth the punt. Never going to happen. Bear in mind there are now 39.5 BILLION RBS shares after all the recent rights issues. The share price has been diluted so much I'd be amazed if the price got anywhere near 66p in the next 3 years. That was the price the government underwrote the share issue at late last year. Hopefully I'm wrong (in a good way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Never going to happen. Bear in mind there are now 39.5 BILLION RBS shares after all the recent rights issues. The share price has been diluted so much I'd be amazed if the price got anywhere near 66p in the next 3 years. That was the price the government underwrote the share issue at late last year. Hopefully I'm wrong (in a good way). You have got to think long term here, id guess in 20 years they could be up as high as ? 5.00 per share, so if its a long term investment it could be worth buying say a hundred quids worth.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 You have got to think long term here, id guess in 20 years they could be up as high as ? 5.00 per share, so if its a long term investment it could be worth buying say a hundred quids worth.? defo......if you can afford to stash away ?500....you could get yourself between 4200-5000 shares bringing home a nice lump around the ?20,000 + mark. well worth the punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 You have got to think long term here, id guess in 20 years they could be up as high as ? 5.00 per share, so if its a long term investment it could be worth buying say a hundred quids worth.? When the shares were diluted they were reported to be worth ?2 per share. with proper management. RBS can achieve that atleast, within 3-5 years....imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.N.T.H. Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Got in at 36p. Ach well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Got in at 36p. Ach well. I know a few peeps who got round the 70-50p mark. see how things go on the 26th feb then we will be able to have a look at the results and the final figures with regards to the ?28 bill loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownkg Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 When the shares were diluted they were reported to be worth ?2 per share.with proper management. RBS can achieve that atleast, within 3-5 years....imo. I bluidy hope so my profit sharing from 5 years ago is going be worth about ?70 some 10% that is. thankfully the dividend up till now has paid me out about ?1000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I know a few peeps who got round the 70-50p mark. see how things go on the 26th feb then we will be able to have a look at the results and the final figures with regards to the ?28 bill loss. I Agree, i will hold off until the full losses are announced i think 28 Billion is light though, the Government has told them to get it all out on the table and come clean with the full extent of there losses. I predict a loss of nearer 40 Billion will be announced, this will hammer the shares maybe down to as low as a penny a Share. I will take an outside bet at that point on a few hundred and stick them away for 20 years see what happens then. The only 100 percent thing i can predict is that the hobos ain't winning the big cup in that period.:108: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 I bluidy hope so my profit sharing from 5 years ago is going be worth about ?70 some 10% that is. thankfully the dividend up till now has paid me out about ?1000! Do you work in GT by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Goodwin being punted as new F1 boss to replace the facist Moseley."Thanks for all the sponsorship Fred" says Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 They are starting to move up the way now, i suspect it will take a little while to reach the ?7.50 Level again though. http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/shares/3/23201/one_month.stm Any movement upwards at this time will be governed by other things, such as another bank/financial institution announcing better than expected results, or a general growing in confidence throughout the market place, not necessarily growing confidence in RBS to pull through unscathed. One of the pitfalls of working in the financial sector is trying to explain share price movement to clients who have flung their money into a unit-linked investment, without fully understanding that virtually anything in the world can affect its price (it did take some time to explain to one particular client that the major flooding in China a few years back could indeed have a huge affect on his investment, which was in North American & Emerging Smaller Companies funds, still don't think he was convinced afterwards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 They were about double that at their highest. Just over a year ago they were over a tenner. They peaked at about ?16 quid so even if they avoid nationalisation and get back up to between ?4-?5 then people whoe have bought a reasonable amount should be very very happy. I have ?40 worth of shares bought at around 15p today. Its a gamble the same as staking it on a horse but as always it could pay off. Well worth the risk for such a little stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownkg Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 They peaked at about ?16 quid so even if they avoid nationalisation and get back up to between ?4-?5 then people whoe have bought a reasonable amount should be very very happy. I have ?40 worth of shares bought at around 15p today. Its a gamble the same as staking it on a horse but as always it could pay off. Well worth the risk for such a little stake. so at ?16 you will make ~ ?4,000 I admire your optimism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Jambo Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Put ?2 on the lottery for Wednesday. You never know in 2 or 3 days could be very happy with that invesment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 so at ?16 you will make ~ ?4,000 I admire your optimism I will hold of till they drop to 3p a share then and only then will i purchase 100 pounds worth. The shares are nothing but " Junk Shares " pretty much worthless at the moment. The chances of 100% nationalization puts me off buying in now, IMO This is still a very strong possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 They seem to have perked up this morning. I think we will have a better idea where this ship is headed after feb 26th 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 They seem to have perked up this morning. I think we will have a better idea where this ship is headed after feb 26th 2009. Yep i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Why don't you just put the money on a horse?! You will see a much quicker investment and probably have a better chance of success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super T Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 They peaked at about ?16 quid so even if they avoid nationalisation and get back up to between ?4-?5 then people whoe have bought a reasonable amount should be very very happy. I have ?40 worth of shares bought at around 15p today. Its a gamble the same as staking it on a horse but as always it could pay off. Well worth the risk for such a little stake. As I said above the shares were diluted when at ?16 so to relate that price to an expected price of ?4-?5 is very misleading. They have also been further diluted since then so I would hope you're nowhere near retirement (i.e. in the next 20-30 years) if you wish to keep your holding until they get back up to ?4-?5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 As I said above the shares were diluted when at ?16 so to relate that price to an expected price of ?4-?5 is very misleading.They have also been further diluted since then so I would hope you're nowhere near retirement (i.e. in the next 20-30 years) if you wish to keep your holding until they get back up to ?4-?5. I am a student who could leave them for the next 40 years if I wanted to and hope that they get back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piper X Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Did anyone take a punt on them at 10p? I got in at 12p (5000) I would have loved to buy more...but I was not prepared to lose more than ?600 so thats my lot. How ever if they do go down to the 5p mark....I would load up on another 5000. Providing they do not get Nationalised there is a few quid to be made if you are in it for the long haul. ie: 3-5 years possibly 10 if you want a good return. Anyone else speculated? Dont want to burst your bubble mate, but I did exactly the same with Northern Rock shares. Bought 1000 at just under 90p each. Lost the lot when they were "nationalised". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dont want to burst your bubble mate, but I did exactly the same with Northern Rock shares. Bought 1000 at just under 90p each.Lost the lot when they were "nationalised". I Do not think that RBS Will be nationalised, but hey you never no in the current world we live in.:108: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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